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2013-08-03 01:11:47 PM
#11. horribly formatted slide-shows

Deslidefied
 
2013-08-03 01:25:10 PM
Yes, comic book fans, you're the reason crossovers sell. You're the reason good books fail, and everything has to have a Bat or an X on it to sell. You're the reason a new #1 has to come out every six months, and a company-wide reboot has to happen every 12. You're why comic books are in the direct market ghetto, increasingly written for an insular, dwindling audience that never expands, even in the wake of massively successful movies based on comic books.

The big two do some stupid shiat and put out a lot of crap... but if you didn't keep lapping up that shiat with a spoon and enabling them to keep shoveling that shiat out the door, it wouldn't be made. Maybe things would get better. But why should they put any effort into comics when they can shiat out NuBatman vs. The X-Men with chromium variant covers by Rob Liefeld and get a pitiful, yet chart topping 150,000 units sold?

Next time you say "comics suck!" look in the mirror and you'll see why.
 
2013-08-03 02:22:53 PM
I know some comic book geeks who were really pissed about the Mandarin thing. I need new friends.
 
2013-08-03 02:27:22 PM
Flick the basement light on and off?
 
2013-08-03 02:36:30 PM

Mugato: I know some comic book geeks who were really pissed about the Mandarin thing. I need new friends.


I



I was pissed as a movie goer, more than a comic fan. They had a chance to make a really cool villain for a Marvel Movie.
 
2013-08-03 02:48:15 PM
How about, "Try reading a novel and using your imagination for a change."
 
2013-08-03 02:48:48 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Mugato: I know some comic book geeks who were really pissed about the Mandarin thing. I need new friends.

I was pissed as a movie goer, more than a comic fan. They had a chance to make a really cool villain for a Marvel Movie.


On the comic book movie tip, I was more pissed that Bruce Wayne only spent maybe a year and a half as Batman before hanging it up.
 
2013-08-03 02:49:39 PM
The other 5% is awesome, however.

www.mylatestdistraction.com

2.bp.blogspot.com

cdn3.whatculture.com

lefthandhorror.files.wordpress.com

www.wordofthenerdonline.com

multiversitystatic.s3.amazonaws.com

static.comicvine.com

media.ideaanddesignworks.com

comicrelated.com

static.comicvine.com

fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-08-03 02:53:39 PM

aerojockey: How about, "Try reading a novel and using your imagination for a change."


Yeah, Twilight, 50 Shades of Grey, and The Da Vinci Code are soooooooooooooooooo much better than a comic book, cause thems is REAL books!
 
2013-08-03 02:55:17 PM

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: Mugato: I know some comic book geeks who were really pissed about the Mandarin thing. I need new friends.

I was pissed as a movie goer, more than a comic fan. They had a chance to make a really cool villain for a Marvel Movie.

On the comic book movie tip, I was more pissed that Bruce Wayne only spent maybe a year and a half as Batman before hanging it up.


This. I feel that Batman Begins was a damn near perfect set up for an awesome almost Kevin Conroy esque live action Batman.

Then, The Dark Knight came , poured gravel in his voice (listen in the 1st one when he talks to Rachel for the first time. Was just fine then), gave us a Joker without jokes (but kept the chaos intact) then decided to make him go into hiding for what turned out to be 8 years... not exactly the followup we expected.

They could always branch the universe off. Keep Begins as a starting point (minus the Rachel Dawes stuff)... and then go from there.
 
2013-08-03 03:02:51 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: They could always branch the universe off. Keep Begins as a starting point (minus the Rachel Dawes stuff)... and then go from there.


They're re-casting for a Batman vs Superman movie. They were talking about a Justice League movie but probably figured they didn't have as many cool characters as the Avengers so they're just going with the two anyone cares about.

 poured gravel in his voice

He even talks in the gravel voice when he's alone with someone who already knows who he is. Maybe it's supposed to be a split personality thing.
 
2013-08-03 03:03:31 PM
The real problem with comics and movies is that EVERYONE and their uncle feels entitled to reboot, redo and redesign other peoples works until they end up in this pool of junk that nothing can escape from.

It would be so much more beneficial for the industry and every other already created comic if you just left the story to ONE person, like it or not. and anyone who wants to modify or create upon someone else's ideas, should really just go and create something new for themselves and give the world a new comic, instead of shiatting on the ones we already have.

15 different timelines for spiderman and 7 new reboots for batman every few years is just complete crap in my books. I don't care if 1 out 15 ends up hitting a homerun. they should have left it alone.
 
2013-08-03 03:04:17 PM
I blame Comic-Con and its associated rabid, unthinking fanbase for providing Hollywood with the built-in audience that has allowed this ridiculous glut of tentpole-property-franchise movies.

/holy run on sentence batman!
 
2013-08-03 03:06:56 PM
Are deaths even a thing anymore? I mean really? They're not even going to allow the tiny little nobody characters from decades ago to stay dead because they want to keep the copyright.
 
2013-08-03 03:09:50 PM

poisonedpawn78: The real problem with comics and movies is that EVERYONE and their uncle feels entitled to reboot, redo and redesign other peoples works until they end up in this pool of junk that nothing can escape from.

It would be so much more beneficial for the industry and every other already created comic if you just left the story to ONE person, like it or not. and anyone who wants to modify or create upon someone else's ideas, should really just go and create something new for themselves and give the world a new comic, instead of shiatting on the ones we already have.

15 different timelines for spiderman and 7 new reboots for batman every few years is just complete crap in my books. I don't care if 1 out 15 ends up hitting a homerun. they should have left it alone.


Comic books reveal the dark truth we won't admit:  We say we want new and interesting things but really we want to be comforted by the same rehashed thing over and over again where nothing changes, and spiderman is never black.

These characters are ANCIENT.  How can you do anything interesting with them when they have more storylines than any other fictional property?  All the fans want are rote adaptations to the big screen to "finally see superman cut loose" or "finally see some infinity gauntlet action"

There's a certain value to nostalgia or familiarity but this current world of blockbusters borders on obsessive reenactments.

The sad thing is I don't get the feeling hard core comic book fans are even deriving any joy out of all this.  They always are looking to the horizon of the new Avenger, new Ant-man, new Guardian of the Galaxy.
 
2013-08-03 03:10:20 PM
This list can better be summarized as "Anything that would make a white male aged 16-25 uncomfortable."
 
2013-08-03 03:13:33 PM
I think the comics industry is fine - including the big two - and I don't mind that it's constantly in flux, nor do I mind any of the problems listed in this article or thread.
 
2013-08-03 03:15:10 PM

Esc7: We say we want new and interesting things but really we want to be comforted by the same rehashed thing over and over again where nothing changes, and spiderman is never black.


No, that's what studio suits think. The truth is that the audience takes what they're given. If the studios gave them new and innovative stuff, they'd buy it.
 
2013-08-03 03:27:41 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Yes, comic book fans, you're the reason crossovers sell. You're the reason good books fail, and everything has to have a Bat or an X on it to sell. You're the reason a new #1 has to come out every six months, and a company-wide reboot has to happen every 12. You're why comic books are in the direct market ghetto, increasingly written for an insular, dwindling audience that never expands, even in the wake of massively successful movies based on comic books.

The big two do some stupid shiat and put out a lot of crap... but if you didn't keep lapping up that shiat with a spoon and enabling them to keep shoveling that shiat out the door, it wouldn't be made. Maybe things would get better. But why should they put any effort into comics when they can shiat out NuBatman vs. The X-Men with chromium variant covers by Rob Liefeld and get a pitiful, yet chart topping 150,000 units sold?

Next time you say "comics suck!" look in the mirror and you'll see why.


I disagree. I've worked in a comic store for the last 5 years and about 15 years ago, worked in one for 10 years.
Good books fail because it's VERY hard to order them. You get a 3 sentence paragraph on what the book is about and have to order 2 months in advance. TWO FARKING MONTHS!
ANYTHING can happen in that time.
You push and push a book called PREVIEWS to people and say, "Look! This stuff comes out in 2 months. Tell us if you're interested.", yet no one has time for that. They just come in and complain your out because you only ordered 3 $4.99 books in the case you don't want them hanging around collecting dust. Then OH LOOK! It's actually good! Let's order more! What? You can't? And no one wants a second printing? Oh, ok.
The time of getting all the crossovers has ended. For our store at least, we ask everyone, "Do you want everything involved?" and at $3.99 a cover, most say "No." The only exception was Batman: Death of a Family which was so bad, most say screw it and buy the collected novel.

On reboots, well that's because no one is buying the first series. (see Hollywood reboots everything)

Blame DC for writing for the knuckle dragging masses. If you'll notice, all the art is almost the same. There is no originality, which says, "Look, these are all the same." to parents buying books for their kids.

Thankfully, at least in our store, people got smart. As soon as word got out that Liefeld was doing covers, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who got Hawkman, etc. dropped the title like a hot rock. But basically, just in time for DC to come out with all those books later for a "reboot".

Right now, Marvel is doing everything right. Hickman and Fraction are on fire and Marvel is saying "People like the movie versions, so lets give them that." and with the exception of Wolverine, we've seen better sales this year than the last 4 years on comics. Are the stories good? That's just an opinion of right and wrong, but I completely blame DC and it's reboot for destroying credibility of comic stories.

/DRTF article
//nerds bashing comics isn't anything new so why read it
 
2013-08-03 03:29:00 PM

Gosling: They're not even going to allow the tiny little nobody characters from decades ago to stay dead because they want to keep the copyright.


They keep the copyright regardless.

Mad_Radhu: The other 5% is awesome, however.


There are a lot of great books out there. Other ones I'd add to your list:

Skullkickers (which recently went on a kick of parodying the rest of the industry by releasing five "#1 - First Issue!"s in a row (changing the name of the comic each time, which really screwed up Comixology)).

Stumptown (private eye stories, although the second volume was kinda "meh")

Collider looks promising, but it's only one issue in- it could rapidly turn to suck.
 
2013-08-03 03:31:17 PM

Mugato: Esc7: We say we want new and interesting things but really we want to be comforted by the same rehashed thing over and over again where nothing changes, and spiderman is never black.

No, that's what studio suits think. The truth is that the audience takes what they're given. If the studios gave them new and innovative stuff, they'd buy it.


You have to admit the studios are getting positive feedback for adapting known properties, setting a scene in china, and then showing the movie overseas.  Part of the studios over-reliance on existing properties is that they have already culturally diffused overseas.

But that doesn't prove my hypothesis that the majority wants the same reheated story over and over.  I would be pleased to be proven wrong :)
 
2013-08-03 03:35:55 PM

t3knomanser: They keep the copyright regardless.


Okay, a trademark then. Some sort of legal purpose.
 
2013-08-03 03:36:15 PM

Zombie DJ: I disagree. I've worked in a comic store for the last 5 years and about 15 years ago, worked in one for 10 years.
Good books fail because it's VERY hard to order them. You get a 3 sentence paragraph on what the book is about and have to order 2 months in advance. TWO FARKING MONTHS!
ANYTHING can happen in that time.
You push and push a book called PREVIEWS to people and say, "Look! This stuff comes out in 2 months. Tell us if you're interested.", yet no one has time for that. They just come in and complain your out because you only ordered 3 $4.99 books in the case you don't want them hanging around collecting dust. Then OH LOOK! It's actually good! Let's order more! What? You can't? And no one wants a second printing? Oh, ok.
The time of getting all the crossovers has ended. For our store at least, we ask everyone, "Do you want everything involved?" and at $3.99 a cover, most say "No." The only exception was Batman: Death of a Family which was so bad, most say screw it and buy the collected novel.

On reboots, well that's because no one is buying the first series. (see Hollywood reboots everything)

Blame DC for writing for the knuckle dragging masses. If you'll notice, all the art is almost the same. There is no originality, which says, "Look, these are all the same." to parents buying books for their kids.

Thankfully, at least in our store, people got smart. As soon as word got out that Liefeld was doing covers, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who got Hawkman, etc. dropped the title like a hot rock. But basically, just in time for DC to come out with all those books later for a "reboot".

Right now, Marvel is doing everything right. Hickman and Fraction are on fire and Marvel is saying "People like the movie versions, so lets give them that." and with the exception of Wolverine, we've seen better sales this year than the last 4 years on comics. Are the stories good? That's just an opinion of right and wrong, but I completely blame DC and it's reboot for destroying credibili ...


Hey, I'm not into comics so I have some really naive questions.

How important is the physical book to fans?  How important is the collection aspect?  Because the first thing you talked about sounds incredibly inefficient  for creators, publishers, retailers, and readers.  Maybe a move to digital content would solve a lot of problems but also put the shops you've worked in out of a job.  Comicbook stores may go the way of bookstores into more specialized curated professional advice, instead of a clearinghouse for paper.
 
2013-08-03 03:38:16 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Yes, comic book fans, you're the reason crossovers sell. You're the reason good books fail, and everything has to have a Bat or an X on it to sell. You're the reason a new #1 has to come out every six months, and a company-wide reboot has to happen every 12. You're why comic books are in the direct market ghetto, increasingly written for an insular, dwindling audience that never expands, even in the wake of massively successful movies based on comic books.

The big two do some stupid shiat and put out a lot of crap... but if you didn't keep lapping up that shiat with a spoon and enabling them to keep shoveling that shiat out the door, it wouldn't be made. Maybe things would get better. But why should they put any effort into comics when they can shiat out NuBatman vs. The X-Men with chromium variant covers by Rob Liefeld and get a pitiful, yet chart topping 150,000 units sold?

Next time you say "comics suck!" look in the mirror and you'll see why.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand done in two (Exhibit A: DC's new 52)
 
2013-08-03 03:39:57 PM

Esc7: There's a certain value to nostalgia or familiarity but this current world of blockbusters borders on obsessive reenactments.

The sad thing is I don't get the feeling hard core comic book fans are even deriving any joy out of all this.  They always are looking to the horizon of the new Avenger, new Ant-man, new Guardian of the Galaxy.


I give it a couple of years, kids are going to start revolting against comic book movies. A 12 year old will have seen so many by then. We'll probably see another one of those revolutions where the current filmmakers get swept away and a new generation appears.
 
2013-08-03 03:40:24 PM

Esc7: But that doesn't prove my hypothesis that the majority wants the same reheated story over and over.  I would be pleased to be proven wrong :)


Well Avatar is the #1 movie of all time (not adjusting for inflation) and even though it had a hackneyed story, technically it isn't a remake, reboot, sequel, or prequel.
 
2013-08-03 03:52:46 PM
I have read all of DC's New 52 and was impressed by some of the titles.  I was never into the western stuff as a kid but Jonah Hex was an entertaining read.  The Batman - Court of Owls storyline was fantastic.  Then they expanded it to include about 5 books including Jonah Hex but it worked well.  The problem with DC continues to be that a lot of their characters, especially Superman and Wonder Woman are damned near invincible.  That makes for difficulties in writing interesting stories.  I,.Vampire, Justice League Dark and Suicide Squad have been entertaining as anything.  I will, however, admit that I have read all of these in graphic novel form from my local library.
 
2013-08-03 04:04:24 PM

Mugato: Esc7: But that doesn't prove my hypothesis that the majority wants the same reheated story over and over.  I would be pleased to be proven wrong :)

Well Avatar is the #1 movie of all time (not adjusting for inflation) and even though it had a hackneyed story, technically it isn't a remake, reboot, sequel, or prequel.


That weasel word "technically" saves the argument because as farkers endlessly pointed out, it is a total rehash of very well worn themes.
 
2013-08-03 04:04:50 PM

Mugato: Well Avatar is the #1 movie of all time (not adjusting for inflation) and even though it had a hackneyed story, technically it isn't a remake, reboot, sequel, or prequel.


The thing with Avatar is that it reminded me of the buzz around films in the 80s like Back to the Future, ET and Ghostbusters. I know people say it's Pocahontas or Dances with Wolves in Space, but let's give it some credit - it was one of the most visually spectacular films ever made, hugely exciting to watch and the story at least made sense and had some imaginative ideas in it (like why a marine is taking the place of a scientist).

And I don't even think you need to spend a huge fortune, but you do need to offer the audience something fresh in a while.
 
2013-08-03 04:07:47 PM

Mugato: hat doesn't prove my hypothesis that the majority wants the same reheated story over and over.  I would be pleased to be proven wrong :)


Avatar was Dances with Wolves vs Ferngully: The Last Rain-forest  not really a whole lot of originality.
 
2013-08-03 04:09:00 PM

Esc7: Zombie DJ: I disagree. I've worked in a comic store for the last 5 years and about 15 years ago, worked in one for 10 years.
Good books fail because it's VERY hard to order them. You get a 3 sentence paragraph on what the book is about and have to order 2 months in advance. TWO FARKING MONTHS!
ANYTHING can happen in that time.
You push and push a book called PREVIEWS to people and say, "Look! This stuff comes out in 2 months. Tell us if you're interested.", yet no one has time for that. They just come in and complain your out because you only ordered 3 $4.99 books in the case you don't want them hanging around collecting dust. Then OH LOOK! It's actually good! Let's order more! What? You can't? And no one wants a second printing? Oh, ok.
The time of getting all the crossovers has ended. For our store at least, we ask everyone, "Do you want everything involved?" and at $3.99 a cover, most say "No." The only exception was Batman: Death of a Family which was so bad, most say screw it and buy the collected novel.

On reboots, well that's because no one is buying the first series. (see Hollywood reboots everything)

Blame DC for writing for the knuckle dragging masses. If you'll notice, all the art is almost the same. There is no originality, which says, "Look, these are all the same." to parents buying books for their kids.

Thankfully, at least in our store, people got smart. As soon as word got out that Liefeld was doing covers, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who got Hawkman, etc. dropped the title like a hot rock. But basically, just in time for DC to come out with all those books later for a "reboot".

Right now, Marvel is doing everything right. Hickman and Fraction are on fire and Marvel is saying "People like the movie versions, so lets give them that." and with the exception of Wolverine, we've seen better sales this year than the last 4 years on comics. Are the stories good? That's just an opinion of right and wrong, but I completely blame DC and it's reboot for destroying credibili ...

Hey, I'm not into comics so I have some really naive questions.

How important is the physical book to fans?  How important is the collection aspect?  Because the first thing you talked about sounds incredibly inefficient  for creators, publishers, retailers, and readers.  Maybe a move to digital content would solve a lot of problems but also put the shops you've worked in out of a job.  Comicbook stores may go the way of bookstores into more specialized curated professional advice, instead of a clearinghouse for paper.


I've gone digital for the sake of convenience. I can roll out of bed Wednesday morning and download the newest issues and read them on my Nook HD+ over breakfast (Comixology even has a subscription option now so I automatically get the new issues). On the 9" 1080p screen, the pages look gorgeous, and it is nice to have my whole collection available without having to keep a lot of long boxes around, and I don't have to stress about the issue selling out. Their $1 sales are also great as well, and have turned me on to some cool series like Morning Glories, Revival, Fatale, and Stumptown.
The only downside is that digital doesn't appreciate, so even though I bought Saga on day 1 it isn't worth what it would have been if I had bought the paper copy. Because of this, the store will always be better for the collectors. Hell, it'll probably actually benefit them because it'll make the paper copies even MORE rare
 
2013-08-03 04:14:55 PM

Mugato: Esc7: But that doesn't prove my hypothesis that the majority wants the same reheated story over and over.  I would be pleased to be proven wrong :)

Well Avatar is the #1 movie of all time (not adjusting for inflation) and even though it had a hackneyed story, technically it isn't a remake, reboot, sequel, or prequel.


Avatar was so similar to FernGully that when the big tree was blown up, I fully expected a wad of black goo to ooze out of the ground and start singing.
 
2013-08-03 04:16:44 PM

Fano: Mugato: Esc7: But that doesn't prove my hypothesis that the majority wants the same reheated story over and over.  I would be pleased to be proven wrong :)

Well Avatar is the #1 movie of all time (not adjusting for inflation) and even though it had a hackneyed story, technically it isn't a remake, reboot, sequel, or prequel.

That weasel word "technically" saves the argument because as farkers endlessly pointed out, it is a total rehash of very well worn themes.



Granted and I'm no fan of the film myself but the fact remains, a studio suit greenlit it despite it not being a sequel or remake. How many truly original movies are out there anyway?
 
2013-08-03 04:17:05 PM
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2013-08-03 04:18:19 PM

Esc7: How important is the physical book to fans? How important is the collection aspect? Because the first thing you talked about sounds incredibly inefficient for creators, publishers, retailers, and readers. Maybe a move to digital content would solve a lot of problems but also put the shops you've worked in out of a job. Comicbook stores may go the way of bookstores into more specialized curated professional advice, instead of a clearinghouse for paper.


Still important but A LOT of people are going to graphic novels or collections.
DC screwed collectors with its reboot, so most don't even care anymore.
People still shop LCB stores and we REALLY push reading as opposed to collecting. We always have.
The great thing about LCBS is we order stuff most wouldn't find digitally. Great Indy stuff most wouldn't even think of looking at like Saga and Manhattan Project.
I ran into a customer last week that buys his comics, yet reads them digitally so he can keep his books mint.
Too each his own, but the comic market completley crashed. A bagged Death of Superman would sell at our store at MAYBE $10 where it used to be $50.
We get a lot of people wanting to sell their collections and if it's anything from Image in the 80's (Youngblood, etc) we pass. Even Spawn collections we pass on. Selling 1-10 at $20 isn't worth our time.
People think we're trying to screw them by saying, "I can't give you anything.". They think, "Oh, they just want me come back and make a counter offer." but when the other stores in the area say No also, they get the point.
Most people though, like I said, are reading comics in paper form, but more GN's and collections. Dark Horse has done pretty well with their Omnibus series. I even bought a few like the early Star Wars Marvel set and the Inidiana Jones stuff.
Marvels Hawkeye series had the second collection come out and included the latest comic issue only 2 weeks after it came out.
We've been in business for 30 years but I'll admit, we sell games as well. Regular books we gave up on. You can't beat internet prices or Amazon, but for comics, we've sold more this year than the last 3 years.
 
2013-08-03 04:25:03 PM

Mad_Radhu: I've gone digital for the sake of convenience. I can roll out of bed Wednesday morning and download the newest issues and read them on my Nook HD+ over breakfast (Comixology even has a subscription option now so I automatically get the new issues). On the 9" 1080p screen, the pages look gorgeous, and it is nice to have my whole collection available without having to keep a lot of long boxes around, and I don't have to stress about the issue selling out. Their $1 sales are also great as well, and have turned me on to some cool series like Morning Glories, Revival, Fatale, and Stumptown.
The only downside is that digital doesn't appreciate, so even though I bought Saga on day 1 it isn't worth what it would have been if I had bought the paper copy. Because of this, the store will always be better for the collectors. Hell, it'll probably actually benefit them because it'll make the paper copies even MORE rare


CSB time.

I sold my copy of CHEW #1 on ebay shortly after it came out for 28 dollars.... because there was no way that it would go higher than that.

......
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chew-1-CGC-9-9-/181143795067?pt=US_Comic_Book s &hash=item2a2d02f57b">http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chew-1-CGC-9-9-/1811437 95067?pt=US_Comic_Books &hash=item2a2d02f57b
 
2013-08-03 04:43:31 PM

Gosling: Okay, a trademark then. Some sort of legal purpose.


You're confusing the history with the modern reality. When it comes to protecting old characters (which is what started this conversation), those old characters are protected by copyright and don't require a trademark. Trademarks protect titles and brand names. As your link explains, in the olden days, people would rush unfinished comics to the copyright office to  get copyrights on newly created properties.

Now, when it comes to film and TV, you're onto something. Sony is going to be producing Spider-Man movies whether they're interested in it or not, because if they  don't keep up a steady stream of films, Marvel gets the rights to the character back.

But that's still very different than reincarnating dead characters. The only reason for them to drag out old characters is the belief that there's a marketable property sitting in there. That's why they gave Warren Ellis "Nextwave". That's why DC trots "Dial H" out every once a decade (pretty much the only book of theirs worth reading).
 
2013-08-03 04:51:30 PM
Only one comic thing ever pissed me off.   Captain Atom Hawk = Monarch.
 
2013-08-03 04:58:29 PM
I've tried to get into comics. I should be super-prime realty for them, given that I love super hero stories, and loved the animate shows, enjoy anime/manga, and like the superhero movies.

But cost is a huge factor. What's a comic now, 3$? And they're weekly? Then I want to read 3-5 books? 50$+ a month is a lot of money, for something with such limited entertainment value, especially considering I won't be collecting them or re-reading them.  A book might run me 7$ (kindle version), but it'll take me 10+ hours to read. 3 comic books might take me...half an hour?
 
2013-08-03 05:02:00 PM

kroonermanblack: What's a comic now, 3$? And they're weekly?


Most of the books I read are monthly. There aren't a lot of weekly books.
 
2013-08-03 05:02:07 PM

kroonermanblack: I've tried to get into comics. I should be super-prime realty for them, given that I love super hero stories, and loved the animate shows, enjoy anime/manga, and like the superhero movies.

But cost is a huge factor. What's a comic now, 3$? And they're weekly? Then I want to read 3-5 books? 50$+ a month is a lot of money, for something with such limited entertainment value, especially considering I won't be collecting them or re-reading them.  A book might run me 7$ (kindle version), but it'll take me 10+ hours to read. 3 comic books might take me...half an hour?


If you have a tablet, I'd recommend the Comixology sales. They usually have something good on sale each weekend for $1 an issue. If you don't need the latest and greatest it is a cheap way to read.
 
2013-08-03 05:03:34 PM

Mad_Radhu: They usually have something good on sale each weekend for $1 an issue.


Even when they're not running a sale, back issues are often significantly cheaper.
 
2013-08-03 05:06:31 PM

t3knomanser: Sony is going to be producing Spider-Man movies whether they're interested in it or not, because if they  don't keep up a steady stream of films, Marvel gets the rights to the character back.


Right but does that mean that they have to keep rehashing the origin story every 10 years? Couldn't they have just done a sequel instead of rehashing the whole bitten by a spider and Uncle Ben dying thing?
 
2013-08-03 05:16:27 PM

Mugato: Right but does that mean that they have to keep rehashing the origin story every 10 years?


They're going to do whatever is easiest for them. Rehashing the same story again and again is pretty easy.
 
2013-08-03 05:25:46 PM
Webcomics are where it's at these days. There will always be a place for publishers as fans will always want physical copies (and I there will always be people, albeit of much reduced numbers, wanting to read the old standards), but the industry is shifting away from publishers having final, or any, editorial say and towards more creator-driven product that finds a niche on the internet first, then translates to a physical presence on the shelves. The "Big Two" are just too constraining, too behind the times, and too limited story & art wise by their insistence on maintaining IPs that were stale decades ago and their fast issue turnover business model. Even team-based properties that have every opportunity to rotate their rosters as time goes on, like X-Men, have gotten stuck in the rut of telling the same stories with the same ageless characters over and over again because corporate control is fundamentally conservative. It's the same stuff that happened to newspaper comics, but in slower motion.
 
2013-08-03 06:07:27 PM

kroonermanblack: I've tried to get into comics. I should be super-prime realty for them, given that I love super hero stories, and loved the animate shows, enjoy anime/manga, and like the superhero movies.

But cost is a huge factor. What's a comic now, 3$? And they're weekly? Then I want to read 3-5 books? 50$+ a month is a lot of money, for something with such limited entertainment value, especially considering I won't be collecting them or re-reading them.  A book might run me 7$ (kindle version), but it'll take me 10+ hours to read. 3 comic books might take me...half an hour?


you're doing it wrong. you don't have to read the latest. there are millions & millions of wonderful comics from years ago in warehouses all over 'murica. and you don't have to buy Mint grade either, you can buy reading copies quite cheap. get yourself a copy of The Comics Buyers Weekly Guide (newpaper format 'zine) and you'll find ads galore. lots of people swap comics too, no money. it's fun. established comic book shops not only have back issues out the wazoo, they'll also have boxes of 2, 3 or 4 for $1.00 comics.
 
2013-08-03 06:23:21 PM

Mad_Radhu: The other 5% is awesome, however.

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/Enjoys independents for their original stories and new voices.
//Also loves mainstream comics, cause I mean, come on...Wolverine kicks ass.
///More people need to read Brian K. Vaughn though. Saga is farking awesome, as was Y: The Last Man.
 
2013-08-03 06:29:06 PM

Heron: Webcomics are where it's at these days.


Eh. Web-comics have definitely eaten the newspaper's lunch when it comes to the funny pages, but the long-form web-comics tend to dribble out their content a page at a time, often only a page-a-week or less frequently. A few have made the leap to more traditional issues by bundling up a series of pages, but I'd argue that, at that point, they're really ceasing to be a  web comic and turning into a comic-book.
 
2013-08-03 06:30:24 PM

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: Mugato: I know some comic book geeks who were really pissed about the Mandarin thing. I need new friends.

I was pissed as a movie goer, more than a comic fan. They had a chance to make a really cool villain for a Marvel Movie.

On the comic book movie tip, I was more pissed that Bruce Wayne only spent maybe a year and a half as Batman before hanging it up.


Yeah I just look at it as it's own thing.  He wasn't the comics Batman at all.  He was always going for a more realistic Batman and if Batman really tried to do that shiat for 30 years his body would crumble.  Even doing it for the length in that trilogy would break most humans.

The comic book Batman is almost godlike in his intellect and fitness.  He's a master strategist and detective and ninja.  The Nolan Batman is not nearly as smart.  He mostly relies on his wealth, technology and martial arts to get things done with a lot less intellect and investigation.  His strategy for defeating Bane was pretty much run at him punching for the entire movie.  It failed the first 2 times and then it worked.  Genius.

You definitely have to separate them and allow other people to play with the basic form of the character.  I prefer the more badass Batman from the comics but Nolan's was interesting and a good trilogy despite the third movie being a mess.

That said I don't really read comics anymore so I don't even have a reason to get worked up, but I get people's attachment to these characters.  I like the genre decently enough and I'm liking a lot of what's starting to come out of Hollywood.  They're flawed and deep down a bit silly, but I have to admit I think I'll always like watching Gods blow up cities and punch each other.
 
2013-08-03 06:31:46 PM

YodaBlues: //Also loves mainstream comics, cause I mean, come on...Wolverine kicks ass.


I just grabbed Old Man Logan on sale this week and it was indeed kick ass.
 
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