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(Politicus USA)   Sen. Al Franken actually tries to make the intel community accountable to the American people. And you said he couldn't tell a joke   (politicususa.com) divider line 39
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2013-08-03 12:52:54 PM  
Fox News quote:

Senator Franken (D): "I don't want transparency ..."
 
2013-08-03 12:55:49 PM  
What about the AMD community?
 
2013-08-03 01:03:39 PM  

Dwedit: What about the AMD community?


farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2013-08-03 01:06:33 PM  
Here's hoping it passes and becomes law.

And there's zero chance of that happening.
 
2013-08-03 01:07:32 PM  
This will undermine Obama's view on the government.  Getting the popcorn ready.

/Definitely on team Franken on this one.
 
2013-08-03 01:16:03 PM  
Noble cause, but won't pass.

Keeping us scared is big business, just ask Michael Chertoff.
 
2013-08-03 01:20:03 PM  
Hey smitty: your use of the 'spiffy' tag when 'hero' would have been appropriate only makes you part of the problem, ass
 
2013-08-03 01:27:20 PM  
Franken is turning out to be the Bizzarro Palin
 
2013-08-03 01:27:37 PM  
How about adding a report on the number of warrants denied? I'd like to know whether the FISA courts are just rubber stamping everything that comes to them.
 
2013-08-03 01:29:39 PM  
 
2013-08-03 01:31:58 PM  

LessO2: Noble cause, but won't pass.

Keeping us scared is big business, just ask Michael Chertoff.


The Israelis stand to benefit materially and financially from American fear of the ooogly-boogly brown Arab terrorist under the bed fearmongering.
 
2013-08-03 01:44:45 PM  
I pretty sure he's sitting in a darkened meeting room right now, being shown once again embarrassing pictures of himself, snap shots taken by his laptop that he wasn't aware of, and samples of shocking and suspicious web browsing behaviour on his part. All to remind him what will happen, for starters, if he doesn't play the game.

His job was to introduce legislation that will go nowhere, because after all he's a comedian.
 
2013-08-03 01:54:38 PM  

jigger: Well, that's a change of tune for him.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/06/10/franken-very-well-aware-of- ns a-tracking-phone-records/


It's been common knowledge that the NSA has been tracking phone records as early as 2001.
 
2013-08-03 02:34:16 PM  

Fart_Machine: jigger: Well, that's a change of tune for him.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/06/10/franken-very-well-aware-of- ns a-tracking-phone-records/

It's been common knowledge that the NSA has been tracking phone records as early as 2001.


Only if you were paying any attention at all.
 
2013-08-03 02:39:48 PM  

Fart_Machine: jigger: Well, that's a change of tune for him.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/06/10/franken-very-well-aware-of- ns a-tracking-phone-records/

It's been common knowledge that the NSA has been tracking phone records as early as 2001.


And the program and its secrecy had the full support of Mr. Sen. Al Franken.
 
2013-08-03 02:54:03 PM  
Yeah, this bill is DOA. It has almost as much chance of passing as a bill making Obama "Supreme Overlord for Life" and setting tax rates for billionaires at 90% does of passing the House. Or, you know, anything else passing in the House that doesn't defund Obamacare.
 
2013-08-03 02:54:29 PM  
See this is actually good and sane steps. The people who just scream "OMG the goverment is reading everything I do!!" You are not being constructive. Stop the hyperbole, talk about what is really happening and come up with solutions that keep in mind other people's issues. Don't attack other ideas because it's not 100% what you want.

Wait this is fark and I had a reasonable response which means I will have people attacking me, straw manning what I said, insults and people calling me a troll.
 
2013-08-03 03:02:59 PM  

Corvus: See this is actually good and sane steps. The people who just scream "OMG the goverment is reading everything I do!!" You are not being constructive. Stop the hyperbole, talk about what is really happening and come up with solutions that keep in mind other people's issues. Don't attack other ideas because it's not 100% what you want.

Wait this is fark and I had a reasonable response which means I will have people attacking me, straw manning what I said, insults and people calling me a troll.


It's the Greenwald tactic. Just make outrageous claims with a tiny kernel of truth hidden somewhere. He was insufferable during the Bush era and even more so now.
 
2013-08-03 03:04:29 PM  

jigger: And the program and its secrecy had the full support of Mr. Sen. Al Franken.


So since he wants to legislate more transparency now I'm sure you're against it.
 
2013-08-03 03:10:15 PM  
Interesting how the latest terror alert comes as the public discourse is starting to turn against the NSA and intelligence community. I'm sure it would be purely coincidental if there were an attack coming that ended up swinging public opinion back in favor of these privacy-invading spy programs.

Purely coincidental.
 
2013-08-03 03:22:18 PM  
How ironic coming from the man who would be more than happy if the MPAA could get away with whatever they pleased to maximize their profits
 
2013-08-03 03:24:05 PM  
Sen. Al Franken's proposal could be the first step in dismantling the liberty stealing abomination that is the Patriot Act.

Getting the government and/or the corporations they lean on to release minimal stats on how many people are being spied on every year and how much data is being collected rather than just trusting the government to do the right thing?

This could be a first step towards increased government transparency that might slow, stop or reverse the police state mentality?

A baby step perhaps but in the right direction.

Go Al.

/While I don't hold out a lot of hope for this bill succeeding as legislature watching who supports it and who opposes it will be a worthwhile exercise.
 
2013-08-03 03:31:06 PM  

machoprogrammer: How ironic coming from the man who would be more than happy if the MPAA could get away with whatever they pleased to maximize their profits


Never compare things again.
 
2013-08-03 03:58:19 PM  
Another thing that shouldn't be controversial is the FISA courts need appointed defense lawyers (even though the couldn't contact who the defended). One side arguing a case isn't good enough. I know it's not a perfect solution but it would be an improvement.
 
2013-08-03 04:08:31 PM  

machoprogrammer: How ironic coming from the man who would be more than happy if the MPAA could get away with whatever they pleased to maximize their profits


Show your work please. Preferably not written in crayon.
 
2013-08-03 04:30:51 PM  
RISCy business
 
2013-08-03 05:01:40 PM  
You know what's depressing? When one of the best Senators we have in office today is a farking comedian.
 
2013-08-03 05:03:24 PM  
HA HA. An annual report.
 
2013-08-03 05:38:00 PM  

BSABSVR: machoprogrammer: How ironic coming from the man who would be more than happy if the MPAA could get away with whatever they pleased to maximize their profits

Never compare things again.


Strong user name to post content ratio. I hope the Democrat cock in your mouth is tasty.

kobrakai: machoprogrammer: How ironic coming from the man who would be more than happy if the MPAA could get away with whatever they pleased to maximize their profits

Show your work please. Preferably not written in crayon.


http://thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN00968:@@@P

He was a huge supporter of SOPA/PIPA. He can take his "defense" of privacy and go fark himself. Sorry, I know you are a knobslobber of everyone with a D after their name, but he isn't a defender of privacy.
 
2013-08-03 06:11:21 PM  
img194.imageshack.us
 
2013-08-03 07:15:56 PM  
Didn't Franken defend the status quo government secrecy before?
 
2013-08-03 08:27:26 PM  

super_grass: Didn't Franken defend the status quo government secrecy before?


I don't know. Instead of just "asking questions", why don't you study it out and tell us what you find.
 
2013-08-03 08:40:24 PM  

machoprogrammer: BSABSVR: machoprogrammer: How ironic coming from the man who would be more than happy if the MPAA could get away with whatever they pleased to maximize their profits

Never compare things again.

Strong user name to post content ratio. I hope the Democrat cock in your mouth is tasty.

kobrakai: machoprogrammer: How ironic coming from the man who would be more than happy if the MPAA could get away with whatever they pleased to maximize their profits

Show your work please. Preferably not written in crayon.

http://thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN00968:@@@P

He was a huge supporter of SOPA/PIPA. He can take his "defense" of privacy and go fark himself. Sorry, I know you are a knobslobber of everyone with a D after their name, but he isn't a defender of privacy.


You're saying that you support the NSA's domestic spying program because Senator Franken briefly supported SOPA?

You sound as rational as one of those brain damaged teabaggers who support anything that pisses off libs. Your life will be much better if you find a way around the black-vs-white view you impose on the world.
 
2013-08-03 11:03:24 PM  

The Larch: machoprogrammer: BSABSVR: machoprogrammer: How ironic coming from the man who would be more than happy if the MPAA could get away with whatever they pleased to maximize their profits

Never compare things again.

Strong user name to post content ratio. I hope the Democrat cock in your mouth is tasty.

kobrakai: machoprogrammer: How ironic coming from the man who would be more than happy if the MPAA could get away with whatever they pleased to maximize their profits

Show your work please. Preferably not written in crayon.

http://thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN00968:@@@P

He was a huge supporter of SOPA/PIPA. He can take his "defense" of privacy and go fark himself. Sorry, I know you are a knobslobber of everyone with a D after their name, but he isn't a defender of privacy.

You're saying that you support the NSA's domestic spying program because Senator Franken briefly supported SOPA?

You sound as rational as one of those brain damaged teabaggers who support anything that pisses off libs. Your life will be much better if you find a way around the black-vs-white view you impose on the world.


No, I am against both. I am saying that Franken is a bit hypocritical to be against it when the NSA does it, but is for the MPAA being able to see everything your ISP has about you. But since Franken has a D after his name, that is totally cool, right?
 
2013-08-03 11:26:05 PM  

machoprogrammer: No, I am against both. I am saying that Franken is a bit hypocritical to be against it when the NSA does it, but is for the MPAA being able to see everything your ISP has about you. But since Franken has a D after his name, that is totally cool, right?


He's not "against" it, he just wanted numbers published. Honestly at this point in time, publishing numbers could only help the credibility of the NSA.  Though conspiracy theorist won't believe the numbers.
 
2013-08-04 12:52:24 AM  

Uncle_Sam's_Titties: Hey smitty: your use of the 'spiffy' tag when 'hero' would have been appropriate only makes you part of the problem, ass


I DID submit it with the hero tag, but thanks for the love.
 
2013-08-04 02:02:58 AM  

The Larch: super_grass: Didn't Franken defend the status quo government secrecy before?

I don't know. Instead of just "asking questions", why don't you study it out and tell us what you find.


That was a rhetorical question. I just assumed that people remembered one of the most controversial things he said less than two months ago.

Al Franken Defends NSA Surveillance: It's Not Spying, They're  Protecting Us (TUESDAY JUNE 11, 2013 )
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/al-franken-defends-nsa-s ur veillance-this-is-not
 
2013-08-04 03:03:17 AM  

super_grass: The Larch: super_grass: Didn't Franken defend the status quo government secrecy before?

I don't know. Instead of just "asking questions", why don't you study it out and tell us what you find.

That was a rhetorical question. I just assumed that people remembered one of the most controversial things he said less than two months ago.

Al Franken Defends NSA Surveillance: It's Not Spying, They're  Protecting Us (TUESDAY JUNE 11, 2013 )
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/al-franken-defends-nsa-s ur veillance-this-is-not


There is not anything inconsistent with wanting proper transparency of a program even if you approve of the program itself.  In fact, I personally think it's even more worthy of respect for him to hold programs he's in favor of to the same standard (even if he loses my support for liking the program itself).

/yes, I know he could be faking it for good press because he knows the bill will never actually pass
//can only trust politicians as far as you can throw them...when they're still in their car
 
2013-08-04 04:08:58 AM  

Zeno-25: Interesting how the latest terror alert comes as the public discourse is starting to turn against the NSA and intelligence community. I'm sure it would be purely coincidental if there were an attack coming that ended up swinging public opinion back in favor of these privacy-invading spy programs.

Purely coincidental.


its easier than that

have a plausible or even unplausible event
and now just SAY that everyone else is upset about it

example
claim -  swedish subs spotted off the fla coast
OMG
claim - the public demands (fill in blank) and anyone who disagrees is (fill in blank)
 
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