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(Sun Journal (Maine))   Maine police arrest a man because he was walking with a toy gun in his shorts. He was charged with terrorizing because having a toy gun scared people and caused them to secure themselves in a building   (sunjournal.com) divider line 129
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2013-08-03 05:19:03 AM
I lock myself in when the Jehovahs come knocking. Can I have them arrested? It would certainly make things better.
 
2013-08-03 06:45:29 AM
Maine doesn't have concealed carry I guess?

I can just see any guest in that restaurant who is from any other place:

Rest: "No body panic, but there is a man outside with a gun!  We are locking the doors"
Everyone: "PANIC"
Someone: "OMG What is he doing?  Is he shooting people?"
Rest: "No he is just kind of walking around"
Someone: "OMG He is just walking around pointing a gun at people?  Does he have one of those scary assault rifles?"
Rest: "No he has a pistol we think..... He isn't like doing anything with it, but you can totes see the handle in his waste band"
Everyone NOT FROM NE: "WTF is wrong with you?  I'm leaving"
Coppers: "Oh no your not, lockdown biatches"
 
2013-08-03 07:10:04 AM

NickelP: Maine doesn't have concealed carry I guess?


Yes we do. But he wasn't carrying concealed, he was carrying it in the open which isn't against the law. (Not to mention that it was a toy.)
 
2013-08-03 07:43:57 AM

LaChanz: NickelP: Maine doesn't have concealed carry I guess?

Yes we do. But he wasn't carrying concealed, he was carrying it in the open which isn't against the law. (Not to mention that it was a toy.)


Same here in PA.  Open carry requires no permit.

It'll be interesting to see if the NRA funds this guy's defense.
 
2013-08-03 08:20:06 AM

Marcus Aurelius: It'll be interesting to see if the NRA funds this guy's defense.


They'll have to merger with Hasbro and Mattel first.
 
2013-08-03 08:31:14 AM
So I take it he wasn't just happy to see them....
 
2013-08-03 08:40:41 AM

LaChanz: NickelP: Maine doesn't have concealed carry I guess?

Yes we do. But he wasn't carrying concealed, he was carrying it in the open which isn't against the law. (Not to mention that it was a toy.)


So it's all perfectly legal but the cops get involved? But we'd be wrong to cal lthe cops when we see a concealed weapon because it's probably legal? Is it like Florida were it's illegal to carry a toy gun but not a real one (see political conventions).

Sounds like everybody needs to just keep calling 911 about this stuff and hope the cops aren't too trigger happy that day.
 
2013-08-03 09:55:36 AM
Wait - so open carry is legal in Maine, but they called the cops and he was arrested for "terrorizing", anyway?  I don't understand. That's like calling the police because someone is driving 39 in a 40 zone, and them getting arrested for reckless driving. 

Is there more to the story, or are people honestly that stupid?

I have no desire to ever call the police. I genuinely hope I never have to interact with them, ever.  If I am picking up a phone and calling the police, you can be assured someone is in the process of doing something very serious and entirely worthy of police intervention.  The fact that so many people are so eager to involve the police in things is a disturbing trend of this nation of simpering pussies we have become, by and large. 

Also, people need to stop being "terrorized" by things that aren't terrifying. Even if the man had a real gun in his waistband, that's not terrifying.  These people probably exclusively eat baby food because they're too scared to have knives in their homes to cut up adult food.
 
2013-08-03 10:31:15 AM
What a terror. Truly, people should be frightened and locking themselves down when someone so tough, so muscular, so physically intimidating walks into town with a toy gun on his hip. These are terrifying times, just look at the scary monster FTA:

www.sunjournal.com

/The quiet quirky bookworm chick he undoubtedly stalks every night might have a reason to be afraid
//And whomever stands between him and a Big Mac
///Everyone else needs to chill
 
2013-08-03 10:44:48 AM

serpent_sky: Also, people need to stop being "terrorized" by things that aren't terrifying. Even if the man had a real gun in his waistband, that's not terrifying.  These people probably exclusively eat baby food because they're too scared to have knives in their homes to cut up adult food.


I'd have to disagree with you there. Having a gun in a holster clipped to your belt is one thing, but walking around with one tucked into your waistband is not something your average law abiding person does. In fact, a lot of open carry states require a holster be used.

As far as this case goes, a lot of places have a "going armed to the terror of the public" law on the books that cover things like this and walking around with a weapon in your hand instead of a holster.
 
2013-08-03 10:45:48 AM
Terror. One word is all it takes, anymore. How sad.
 
2013-08-03 11:05:17 AM

ReapTheChaos: I'd have to disagree with you there. Having a gun in a holster clipped to your belt is one thing, but walking around with one tucked into your waistband is not something your average law abiding person does. In fact, a lot of open carry states require a holster be used.

As far as this case goes, a lot of places have a "going armed to the terror of the public" law on the books that cover things like this and walking around with a weapon in your hand instead of a holster.


Pretty much this. I'm also willing to bet that the "toy gun" was one of the realistic airsoft ones that are made to be used in re-enactments and airsoft combat play. Since they're not marketed to children in any way, they don't have the orange barrel tips.

www.justpistols.co.uk

Real or fake from a distance?
 
2013-08-03 11:25:35 AM
www.sunjournal.com

Soon
 
2013-08-03 11:26:16 AM
Everyone's so brave here on the Internet.
 
2013-08-03 11:29:30 AM

hardinparamedic: [www.justpistols.co.uk image 800x535]

Real or fake from a distance?


Can't tell. It was stuffed down his pants.
 
2013-08-03 11:29:50 AM
Jonah Hill!? Truth be told he has been terrorizing us with crappy films and bad attitude for a while.
 
2013-08-03 11:30:20 AM
What 20 year old walks around with a toy gun tucked in his shorts. Clearly thy guy wanted attention. Well, he got it.
 
2013-08-03 11:31:00 AM

hardinparamedic: I'm also willing to bet that the "toy gun" was one of the realistic airsoft ones that are made to be used in re-enactments and airsoft combat play. Since they're not marketed to children in any way, they don't have the orange barrel tips.


If you'd bother to RTFA, you'd discover why you're wrong.
 
2013-08-03 11:31:25 AM
Looks like an open carry litter pickup is in order
 
2013-08-03 11:31:49 AM
Well, the cops didn't taser/pepperspray/kill the guy, so that had a better outcome than most stories here
 
2013-08-03 11:34:40 AM

hardinparamedic: Real or fake from a distance?


At a distance? All guns are considered real from a distance.

It's the same way with real guns being loaded. All real guns are considered loaded until the breech is exposed/blocked or they're disassembled.
 
2013-08-03 11:34:52 AM

hardinparamedic: Pretty much this. I'm also willing to bet that the "toy gun" was one of the realistic airsoft ones that are made to be used in re-enactments and airsoft combat play. Since they're not marketed to children in any way, they don't have the orange barrel tips.


False. You can remove/paint over the tip yourself, but sale and in some cases transport without the orange tip is illegal. There may also be local laws concerning orange tips.
 
2013-08-03 11:37:29 AM
Yes, people are that stupid.


serpent_sky: Wait - so open carry is legal in Maine, but they called the cops and he was arrested for "terrorizing", anyway?  I don't understand. That's like calling the police because someone is driving 39 in a 40 zone, and them getting arrested for reckless driving. 

Is there more to the story, or are people honestly that stupid?

I have no desire to ever call the police. I genuinely hope I never have to interact with them, ever.  If I am picking up a phone and calling the police, you can be assured someone is in the process of doing something very serious and entirely worthy of police intervention.  The fact that so many people are so eager to involve the police in things is a disturbing trend of this nation of simpering pussies we have become, by and large. 

Also, people need to stop being "terrorized" by things that aren't terrifying. Even if the man had a real gun in his waistband, that's not terrifying.  These people probably exclusively eat baby food because they're too scared to have knives in their homes to cut up adult food.

 
2013-08-03 11:38:03 AM
Some where in hell right now Bin Laden is having a good laugh. He read this country like a book and we fell for it hook line and sinker.
 
2013-08-03 11:39:18 AM
He said Cushman was charged with terrorizing because his actions scared people and caused them to secure themselves in a building.

Can we get someone who knows the Maine Criminal Code, please?
 
2013-08-03 11:41:29 AM
What, a bunch of imports from a pussy state got scared, or were these people actually from Maine?
 
2013-08-03 11:45:12 AM
He was doing this to deliberately make people nervous.  Screw him.
 
pla
2013-08-03 11:45:44 AM
ElLoco : At a distance? All guns are considered real from a distance.

True. But as others have already pointed out, Maine has open carry.

The real story here?  "The Roost employees locked the doors with patrons still inside [...] the employees asked for a police officer to stand near the door because some patrons wanted to leave" does not match up with "Cushman was charged with terrorizing because his actions scared people and caused them to secure themselves in a building"

Farmington counts as a rural "university" town. What you have here, some Masshole liberal moved in to try to parasitically leech off that vibe, but doesn't "get" the fact that Mainiacs don't freak out about guns the same way folks back in Brookline would. So as a result, he farking kidnapped 20 or so people at gunpoint-by-proxy (posting an officer near the door to keep people in).

In the same situation, I'd press charges against the restaurant owner.
 
2013-08-03 11:47:07 AM
There are just some people who deserve to be in a police shooting.
 
2013-08-03 11:47:25 AM
a toy gun in his shorts

In my case, it usually causes amusement, not terror.

/glad you find it funny, lady.  So you won't mind if I ask you to flip over
 
Rat
2013-08-03 11:49:39 AM
Did he pull it out and go "bang", because that's the sound a toy makes, and that could've been skeery.

© lobsta
 
2013-08-03 11:50:45 AM
Took my son shooting for the first time last weekend and drilled through the gun safety portion (the gun is ALWAYS loaded, don't point it towards anyone or anything you don't want to shoot, finger is off of the trigger until you're ready to shoot, et al) and shooting practice with a friend's Airsoft Walther P22.  Looked exactly like the P22 my wife has, except for the orange tip on the Airsoft and it was a perfect way to transition him to the actual P22.  Anyhow, all that to say that I can see how an Airsoft can be treated as a "real" gun from a distance.

/The BMG .50 and suppressed .22 and 9mm were hella fun too
//As was the Tannerite
///CSB
 
2013-08-03 11:51:08 AM

Molavian: What, a bunch of imports from a pussy state got scared, or were these people actually from Maine?


This time of year I would guess imports. I'm not from Maine but would like to import myself some time

Probably a local decided to Fark with the tourists. Sounds like he didn't break any actual laws, so charges will be dropped after the people spend their money and leave.
 
2013-08-03 11:53:40 AM

Molavian: What, a bunch of imports from a pussy state got scared, or were these people actually from Maine?


See, if it had happened in nearby New Hampshire, people would have laughed, pointed and asked him why he was only carrying a toy.
 
2013-08-03 11:54:41 AM
I've been handcuffed and detained for having a gun in my pants. Now I wear tighty whiteys and loose fitting jeans.
 
2013-08-03 11:55:07 AM
"Toy gun owner" is the new black.
 
2013-08-03 11:55:32 AM
the terrorists won on 9/11. More than they could have ever hoped.
 
2013-08-03 12:02:04 PM

pla: ElLoco : At a distance? All guns are considered real from a distance.

True. But as others have already pointed out, Maine has open carry.

The real story here?  "The Roost employees locked the doors with patrons still inside [...] the employees asked for a police officer to stand near the door because some patrons wanted to leave" does not match up with "Cushman was charged with terrorizing because his actions scared people and caused them to secure themselves in a building"

Farmington counts as a rural "university" town. What you have here, some Masshole liberal moved in to try to parasitically leech off that vibe, but doesn't "get" the fact that Mainiacs don't freak out about guns the same way folks back in Brookline would. So as a result, he farking kidnapped 20 or so people at gunpoint-by-proxy (posting an officer near the door to keep people in).

In the same situation, I'd press charges against the restaurant owner.


Just last night, someone somewhere north of me was shooting a shotgun and what sounded like a small caliber pistol, probably a .22, while I was taking the dogs out. The noises were annoying the dogs, so I took them back inside.

I'm familiar with people who don't freak when a gun gets within a mile of them. We don't have an open carry, but no one really cares in the area except for law enforcement, who usually just tell people to cover up or put it up if it actually happens. To me, open carry seems needlessly reckless when done for no other reason than just to carry a gun and I could see urbanites getting rustled jimmies over it if they weren't familiar with it happening. In my opinion... cover up, or don't carry.
 
2013-08-03 12:02:09 PM

justafarkingchef: the terrorists won on 9/11. More than they could have ever hoped.


This has been going on since before 9/11. Do you know why they're required to paint the barrels orange? Because cops were shooting people who were pointing toy guns at them, and invoking Senior Darwin.
 
2013-08-03 12:02:12 PM
So can the employees be charged with kidnapping because some patrons wanted to leave and weren't allowed?
 
2013-08-03 12:03:41 PM
Dad?
 
2013-08-03 12:04:05 PM
Was it one of those cool Italian cap guns with the faux wood grain? Or one of enentech's sweet mach 10 repeating water machine pistol?
 
2013-08-03 12:04:48 PM

hardinparamedic: justafarkingchef: the terrorists won on 9/11. More than they could have ever hoped.

This has been going on since before 9/11. Do you know why they're required to paint the barrels orange? Because cops were shooting people who were pointing toy guns at them, and invoking Senior Darwin.


They also liked to shoot kids playing lazer tag.
 
2013-08-03 12:05:26 PM
Here in Mississippi, we SUPPOSEDLY have Open Carry without a permit. By our Constitution, we have our own version of the Second Amendment, with the proviso that the Legislature can regulate CONCEALED carry. There has NEVER been a requirement for a permit or anything for open carry.

The problem came when, in an effort to put genuinely bad guys in jail, some State Supreme Court judge (in dicta!) said that "concealed in whole or in part" in some piece of the law meant that weapons in holsters are concealed, and weapons worn around the neck hung by a piece of thread were concealed, and weapons just laying out in the open were concealed because you could not see the far side of them.

I shiat you not.

Of course, the cops and prosecutors and judges were more than happy to go along with this ridiculous policy, and thus we wind up with decase of urban myth and "everybody just knows that there's no Open Carry in Mississippi."

So, along comes an enterprising state legislator. "Hey, let's clean up the Concealed Carry rules! We'll start by defining concealed as no perceivable by a reasonable onlooker in the ordinary sense. If it's in a holster, on a sling, or even tucked into a waistband where it's clear to any reasonable person that the person has a weapon, it's not concealed, anf if someone's jacket slips open and their concealed weapon becomes visible, doesn't STOP it from being considered concealed. Passed overwhelmingly in the legislature, both houses, both parties.

The cops went ballistic, because someone realized that this concealed carry bill clarified what was and was not concealed, and it mean that it was painfully obvious to everyone that open carry without a permit is legal.

There were injunctions and emergency appeals that have made their way to the Mississippi Supreme Court, and they are expecting a decision in the next couple of weeks, which should hopefully put the whole matter to rest, one way or the other.

I want to be able to strap on a sword. :) And epicly troll the cops.

/lawyer
//but not in Maine. :)
 
2013-08-03 12:06:50 PM
Dufuq am I reading in this thread? I guess it's wrong to worry that some young, white, loner nerdy guy with what appears to be a gun tucked in his pants is a danger to himself and everyone nearby. I may not have called the cops, but I would certainly have kept a safe distance or just GTFO. Then again, I don't ever imagine myself as John McClane, so perhaps I just can't relate to the bravery of most of you.
 
2013-08-03 12:19:03 PM

serpent_sky: Is there more to the story, or are people honestly that stupid?


People are that stupid.

Remember the words of George Carlin: "Think of how stupid the average person is and then realize that half of them are stupider than that."
 
2013-08-03 12:19:48 PM

tylerdurden217: Dufuq am I reading in this thread? I guess it's wrong to worry that some young, white, loner nerdy guy with what appears to be a gun tucked in his pants is a danger to himself and everyone nearby. I may not have called the cops, but I would certainly have kept a safe distance or just GTFO. Then again, I don't ever imagine myself as John McClane, so perhaps I just can't relate to the bravery of most of you.


So it is ok to profile people! Glad we got that out of the way. You don't really live up to your name either. Would tyler durden be scared? Was the loner nerdy guy waving it about? Was he in a trench coat or gang colors?

I'm more scared of the guys I see open carrying everyday aka the police. I'm more likely to get shot by them than some loner nerd with a toy or real gun. Safe distance would be prudent but calling the cops and locking up a diner? Yeah, I'd be suing the restaurant for false imprisonment.
 
2013-08-03 12:20:19 PM

Fano: hardinparamedic: justafarkingchef: the terrorists won on 9/11. More than they could have ever hoped.

This has been going on since before 9/11. Do you know why they're required to paint the barrels orange? Because cops were shooting people who were pointing toy guns at them, and invoking Senior Darwin.

They also liked to shoot kids playing lazer tag.


My friends got detained for hours by a Barney Fife for playing paintball on public land. If you're a ratard and have never seen paintball before I can understand being a little scared of 20+ dudes in camo and futuristic looking visors waving around what appears to be laser carbines, but calling in back up and searching everyone seems a little overboard.
 
pla
2013-08-03 12:23:45 PM
tylerdurden217 : some young, white, loner nerdy guy with what appears to be a gun tucked in his pants is a danger to himself and everyone nearby.

All that from a picture of a slightly fat geeky looking kid, and the fact that he owns a cap gun, eh? Man, Freud had nothin' on you!


perhaps I just can't relate to the bravery of most of you.

Simple answer - No bravery involved. Some places in the US still understand the difference between "tools" and FUD.

Someone could casually brain you with a tire iron on your walk from the parking lot to work Monday, and yet you don't scurry from tree to tree as shelter, keeping everyone around you in sight at all times. Someone could deliberately swerve across traffic at 55MPH and leave both of you nothing but a thin red smear. And if you want to bring guns into it, someone could shoot you (with decent aim and a good rifle) from half a mile away and you'd never even know what happened.

Some of us simply understand that some kid carrying one of many potentially lethal tools on him poses just as much of a threat to us as everyone else walking down the street, or driving down the street, or out of sight behind that 4th floor window. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
2013-08-03 12:23:49 PM

ReapTheChaos: serpent_sky: Also, people need to stop being "terrorized" by things that aren't terrifying. Even if the man had a real gun in his waistband, that's not terrifying.  These people probably exclusively eat baby food because they're too scared to have knives in their homes to cut up adult food.

I'd have to disagree with you there. Having a gun in a holster clipped to your belt is one thing, but walking around with one tucked into your waistband is not something your average law abiding person does. In fact, a lot of open carry states require a holster be used.

As far as this case goes, a lot of places have a "going armed to the terror of the public" law on the books that cover things like this and walking around with a weapon in your hand instead of a holster.


repeat after me: It was a toy
 
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