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(ESPN)   Miami Heat sign former Number 1 overall pick from the state of Ohio, not a repeat from 2010   (espn.go.com) divider line 31
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2013-08-03 08:31:05 AM
So the Heat have cornered the market on 40-something-looking 20-something big men.
 
2013-08-03 08:37:23 AM
Two year deal! Over under is set at 60 games in two years
 
2013-08-03 08:53:59 AM
The emotional side of me wants to see Oden do well. The intellectual side of me is sitting in a corner laughing at the emotional side, as usual.

The bastard.
 
2013-08-03 09:28:36 AM

Pick13: Two year deal! Over under is set at 60 games in two years


And kind of a weird deal too. He's got player option on the second year....for $1.14m. If he's any kind of competent he could get more than that on the free agent market. And if he can't command more than that....why the hell would the Heat want him on the team again for another year?

Still, the best part of this is that he's still not healthy! ESPN dudes are arguing over whether he'll be ready by Christmas! Literally 6 teams were competing to sign him; a full five of them sent people to Indy to watch him work out. The NBA, Everybody!
 
2013-08-03 09:33:41 AM
Well, Heat fans better hope that LeBron doesn't end up with Oden's knees.

Microfracture surgery sucks.
 
2013-08-03 09:34:00 AM

Pick13: Two year deal! Over under is set at 60 games in two years


I'm taking the under.

Dude has papier mache knees
 
2013-08-03 09:40:58 AM
Oden is from Indiana
 
2013-08-03 09:43:01 AM
i.imgur.com

Now he actually has a chance to cut that target number down to 14 or 13.
 
2013-08-03 10:15:26 AM
It's a good signing for the Heat. If his knees never recover, they're out a couple million bucks.

If he can actually run without his knees disintegrating, he could be a presence for them inside, and they are desperate for someone to try to handle Indiana or the big Western teams inside.
 
2013-08-03 10:34:54 AM
The most appalling thing is that Portland is still maintaining they did the right thing selecting him over Durant.
 
2013-08-03 10:38:30 AM
Does this mean ESPN has their Tim Tebow  replacement?
 
2013-08-03 10:41:11 AM

js34603: It's a good signing for the Heat. If his knees never recover, they're out a couple million bucks.

If he can actually run without his knees disintegrating, he could be a presence for them inside, and they are desperate for someone to try to handle Indiana or the big Western teams inside.


Yep, the signing strikes me as a perfectly reasonable flyer to take on a dude.

/knows nothing about proper NBA contracts
//Reads Simmons' basketball stuff, that's about the extent of my basketball knowledge.
 
2013-08-03 10:44:36 AM

Yes please: The most appalling thing is that Portland is still maintaining they did the right thing selecting him over Durant.


Only idiots here are doing that.

Most of us admit now that he was Bowie 2:  Electric Boogaloo.
 
2013-08-03 11:09:02 AM
I hope he does well enough to become a regular TV personality, he's actually pretty funny from a grantland piece:

"The cool thing about playing for the Heat is when you're LeBron's teammate and you screw up, nobody gets mad at you for missing a shot or turning the ball over - they get mad at LeBron for passing to you in the first place,"
 
2013-08-03 12:23:14 PM

Pick13: Two year deal! Over under is set at 60 games in two years


That line is too generous.  Vegas would go broke.
 
2013-08-03 12:32:51 PM

PowerSlacker: Yes please: The most appalling thing is that Portland is still maintaining they did the right thing selecting him over Durant.

Only idiots here are doing that.

Most of us admit now that he was Bowie 2:  Electric Boogaloo.


Oh, I didn't mean fans.  I was talking about the organization.  Which I guess you might have implied by "idiots."
 
2013-08-03 01:13:14 PM

mangtomas: I hope he does well enough to become a regular TV personality, he's actually pretty funny from a grantland piece:

"The cool thing about playing for the Heat is when you're LeBron's teammate and you screw up, nobody gets mad at you for missing a shot or turning the ball over - they get mad at LeBron for passing to you in the first place,"


You should read the book by Mark Titus (writer of that piece and Oden's teammate at Ohio State),  Don't Put Me In, Coach: My Incredible NCAA Journey from the End of the Bench to the End of the Bench.  It's a lot of fun and also has some hysterical photos of the two of them at prom (they went to different high schools but were traveling team buddies).
 
2013-08-03 01:25:12 PM
Chris Andersen signing helped them get a championship last year (they honestly don't win without him); Greg Oden comes in this year and is better than Andersen if he's healthy. If he's not, then at least they tried. Lots of teams want what he CAN be; at that contract, no one cares about if he doesn't achieve it. He won't have to play much in the regular season, he won't have a ton of pressure on him...all he has to do is get healthy and ball out in the playoffs and he's an unmitigated success.
 
2013-08-03 01:34:48 PM
It's obvious who the better player is, but looks like Oden will actually win an NBA title before Durant.
 
2013-08-03 02:00:38 PM

IAmRight: Chris Andersen signing helped them get a championship last year (they honestly don't win without him); Greg Oden comes in this year and is better than Andersen if he's healthy. If he's not, then at least they tried. Lots of teams want what he CAN be; at that contract, no one cares about if he doesn't achieve it. He won't have to play much in the regular season, he won't have a ton of pressure on him...all he has to do is get healthy and ball out in the playoffs and he's an unmitigated success.


Ay, there's the rub
 
2013-08-03 02:01:54 PM

MagicBus: It's obvious who the better player is, but looks like Oden will actually win an NBA title before Durant.


Well if he does he'll have to have earned it because the Heat don't win next year unless he can actually contribute against Indy, Chicago, or one of the West's beasts.
 
2013-08-03 02:06:02 PM

jayhawk88: Still, the best part of this is that he's still not healthy! ESPN dudes are arguing over whether he'll be ready by Christmas! Literally 6 teams were competing to sign him; a full five of them sent people to Indy to watch him work out. The NBA, Everybody!


He is a major talent with no personal issues, works hard and will give it all he has. That is why he was wanted. I doubt it will work out but if anyone can do it Greg Oden can.
 
2013-08-03 02:31:17 PM

walkingtall: jayhawk88: Still, the best part of this is that he's still not healthy! ESPN dudes are arguing over whether he'll be ready by Christmas! Literally 6 teams were competing to sign him; a full five of them sent people to Indy to watch him work out. The NBA, Everybody!

He is a major talent with no personal issues, works hard and will give it all he has. That is why he was wanted. I doubt it will work out but if anyone can do it Greg Oden can.


I hope he does, he came off as one of the most authentic people that I have ever seen interviewed in the sports world.  Now he cant risk sending more naked pictures of himself though heat media a little more intense those following players that have not played in years
 
2013-08-03 03:36:05 PM
 
2013-08-03 03:36:37 PM
The championship goes through Cleveland next year, but they already signed Bynum.   Miami is a nice consolation prize for the party life.
 
2013-08-03 04:10:19 PM

T.rex: The championship goes through Cleveland next year, but they already signed Bynum.   Miami is a nice consolation prize for the party life.


There are too many bowling alleys in Cleveland bynum has no chance,
 
2013-08-03 05:30:58 PM
Heat need someone capable of standing under the rim and grabbing rebounds. Even if the guy can't run, he can do that effectively just by standing up.
 
2013-08-03 06:14:42 PM

js34603: It's a good signing for the Heat. If his knees never recover, they're out a couple million bucks.

If he can actually run without his knees disintegrating, he could be a presence for them inside, and they are desperate for someone to try to handle Indiana or the big Western teams inside.


They're not just out the money. it's the opportunity cost of the healthy player they didn't sign and the bench spot they didn't fill with someone else.

Put it this way, if the Heat signed me to a league-minimum contract, would that be a good signing?  Disclosure: I'm 5'6", pushing 180#, and on the wrong side of 40.  And I haven't been athletically active on a regular basis since high school.  And then my sport was distance swimming, not basketball.  (Relevance to basketball, sprinters generally have more vertical leap than distance swimmers.)

But quantum mechanics and many-universe theories tell us basically everything is possible, even though most things are very, very unlikely.  There is some version of the universe where I hit the game winning shot in the NBA championships.  While the odds that this happens in our particular universe is very, very, very small, it is non-zero.  There is some small chance that if the the Heat sign me to a contract, I will be the difference that wins a championship.

So would signing me be a good move?

The odds of Oden being that difference maker are better, but only slightly.  The universe where I am unlikely to have any success in the NBA is the same universe where Oden's bones and cartilage haven't gotten any stronger since 2007, where he hasn't had any Wolverine-style surgery to replace his bones with metal, where the Earth's gravity hasn't weakened significantly in the last five years.

I think the poster who put the over/under at 60 games in the next two years is someone who likes to give away money.  I'd put that number at 20, and I'd still lean towards the under.

You can exercise muscle all you want, that doesn't change the physics of bone and cartilage or the engineering of knees.  I don't wish the guy ill, but wouldn't bet on any venture that relies on the health of his knees.
 
2013-08-03 06:48:07 PM

mcmnky: The odds of Oden being that difference maker are better, but only slightly.


No, they aren't. If he's healthy, he's one of the better big men in the league (not saying much). If you're at your very best, you're still by far the worst player in the league and the only way you'd ever see minutes is if everyone was injured. The only way you'd be responsible for making the game-winning shot in the finals is if everyone in the NBA died and everyone else who was near that level died and it was between you and a group of 7-year-olds.

And there's no opportunity cost because there is a significant lack of talented big men. Why do you think so many teams are converting to small ball? There simply aren't enough talented 7-footers to go around. Maybe this year they won't get to sign another guy who will never see minutes for the team no matter how healthy he is.

There are teams for which this would be a bad move - specifically, teams which need immediate help. Miami is not one of them.
 
2013-08-03 10:59:47 PM

IAmRight: mcmnky: The odds of Oden being that difference maker are better, but only slightly.

No, they aren't. If he's healthy, he's one of the better big men in the league (not saying much). If you're at your very best, you're still by far the worst player in the league and the only way you'd ever see minutes is if everyone was injured. The only way you'd be responsible for making the game-winning shot in the finals is if everyone in the NBA died and everyone else who was near that level died and it was between you and a group of 7-year-olds.

And there's no opportunity cost because there is a significant lack of talented big men. Why do you think so many teams are converting to small ball? There simply aren't enough talented 7-footers to go around. Maybe this year they won't get to sign another guy who will never see minutes for the team no matter how healthy he is.

There are teams for which this would be a bad move - specifically, teams which need immediate help. Miami is not one of them.


Meh, People talk about the rise of small ball, but it isn't really true. Clippers, Memphis, okc, spurs, pacers, bulls, nets, all almost never play small. Those are 7/8 of the best teams in the nba. Okc sometimes plays around with it, if you consider the near 7ft tall durant at pf as small.
 
2013-08-04 06:16:03 PM

IAmRight: mcmnky: The odds of Oden being that difference maker are better, but only slightly.

No, they aren't. If he's healthy...


Yeah, that was a bit of hyperbole in terms of comparing my odds of helping an NBA team and Oden's odds of the same.  But still, that's a very big if.

The gamble does make more sense with your point that Oden is not taking a bench spot from the next best available player, but from another available big man.

What's Jason Collins' status?  Obviously he's older, but with Oden's injury issues, he's not a long term investment either.  With Lebron and Bosh there isn't a concern with age in terms of the championship window closing, but there is a window on contract status.  Collins is an experienced player.  With Oden, you get the worst of both worlds: injury concerns that usually dog more experienced players but without the experience.  He's only played 1 season's worth of games.

I'm not hating on Oden--all reports are he is a great guy.  And as someone not from South Florida, I love to see the Heat fail.
 
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