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(Opposing Views)   Committing murder in a video game is the same as real murder, so sayeth Pat Robertson   (opposingviews.com) divider line 181
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2013-08-02 11:58:29 PM
"What do you think the bible has to say about video games?"

It says nothing Pat. Absolutely nothing and you know it.
 
2013-08-03 12:02:15 AM
What if you murder a killer robot in a video game? In self-defense? I mean, I killed GLaDOS for maybe the 13th time last night...
 
2013-08-03 12:03:49 AM
Pat Robertson probably couldn't even get into Silver League.  Who gives a shiat what he thinks?
 
2013-08-03 12:03:57 AM
All those Cerberus operatives were trying to kill me, so I stood my ground.
 
2013-08-03 12:20:49 AM
We could just ignore him...
 
2013-08-03 12:30:31 AM
Keep in mind he's one of the same people who believes the D&D spellbook is the same as owning a real spellbook. I'd love for that to be true. I'd go into a D&D4 book and learn "Fireball" in order to get rid of the D&D4 book.
 
2013-08-03 12:59:32 AM
does this mean if someone makes a game where you murder Pat Robertson he will stop saying stupid stuff?
 
2013-08-03 01:10:32 AM

SilentStrider: All those Cerberus operatives were trying to kill me, so I stood my ground.


And those Vox Populi fired at me first. Heck, they stabbed Booker in the hand while trying to just get a ticket for that airship to New York. I was just defending myself and Elizabeth's virtue. Does Pat think that girl should have fallen to the hands of those dirty Commies?
 
2013-08-03 01:16:49 AM
Not really, they respawn quicker than Jesus.
 
2013-08-03 01:20:48 AM

GreenAdder: Keep in mind he's one of the same people who believes the D&D spellbook is the same as owning a real spellbook. I'd love for that to be true. I'd go into a D&D4 book and learn "Fireball" in order to get rid of the D&D4 book.


You're going to need something more powerful than fireball for that. Like Meteor Swarm.
 
2013-08-03 01:24:05 AM

violentsalvation: Not really, they respawn quicker than Jesus.


Good way to level up if you spawn camp, though
 
2013-08-03 01:49:18 AM
Great, now I am worse than Hitler. shiat he is a pansy compared to me and I suck at gaming
 
2013-08-03 02:04:25 AM
"What if those so-called 'Space Invaders' were actually Angels coming to spread the Gospel?"
 
2013-08-03 02:06:52 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: "What if those so-called 'Space Invaders' were actually Angels coming to spread the Gospel?"


And what if they were the drooling, stinking conquering armies of Satan?

/WE SAVED THE WORLD YOU UNGRATEFUL WRETCH
 
2013-08-03 02:31:35 AM
"And clearly Inky, Blinky, and Clyde are the Father, Son and Holy Ghost attempting to spread the love and intervene in the drug addiction of this Pagan Atheist Churchdenier - Man, and their only reward is his getting high on Marijuana Pellets and eating them. Pinky, secretly a gay, is empowered by the carnage and spends the interstitial screens having deviant sex with Q*Bert."
 
2013-08-03 03:03:22 AM
So, if you play Populous, then you really are God?
 
2013-08-03 03:30:11 AM
I was playing Civilization today and I let some citizens stave because I didn't have enough gold to make a caravan to deliver more food in time.

am I Hitler or just a bad bureaucrat?
 
2013-08-03 03:30:31 AM
But if I don't believe in god, then it doesn't count.
 
2013-08-03 03:31:46 AM
oh. and the "Facebook fail" on that page made me laugh.
 
2013-08-03 03:32:23 AM

odenen: But if I don't believe in god, then it doesn't count.


but he believes in you son. he believes in you.
 
2013-08-03 03:32:37 AM
He's just mad 'cause he keeps losing the Hunger Games in Minecraft.
 
2013-08-03 03:34:14 AM
 
2013-08-03 03:34:21 AM
but if you are their god killing is o.k. - I read it in the bible.
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2013-08-03 03:34:28 AM
Garrosh Hellscream had it coming, and we will take. HIM. OUT.

FOR THE ALLIANCE!

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2013-08-03 03:35:49 AM

log_jammin: I was playing Civilization today and I let some citizens stave because I didn't have enough gold to make a caravan to deliver more food in time.

am I Hitler or just a bad bureaucrat?


Nah, you're just Barack Obama. Though it's probably those damn advisers that kept telling you that you needed more military spending.
 
2013-08-03 03:38:51 AM
If that were true, think about how much more intense Temple Run would be.
 
2013-08-03 03:39:19 AM
 
2013-08-03 03:45:10 AM
www.opposingviews.com

At least I have chicken.
 
2013-08-03 03:51:50 AM
So that presumably means I'm going to video-game hell? Meh, I can live with that.
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I got away before, I can do it again.
 
2013-08-03 03:52:08 AM
Religion is particularly focused on thought crimes.....this seems like a reasonable opinion for a religious person to hold on murder, IMHO.
 
2013-08-03 03:52:45 AM
Well, that is just silly talk. I remember my Fark Law GED: Murder...killing one human being by another...with malice...
 
2013-08-03 03:52:49 AM
1.  Pat takes his PvP too far.  Probably hops on his alt to berate people in chat.

2.  Since I only play healers, am I a saint?  I don't kill, I hide behind everyone else and heal them, kinda like what Jebus did.
 
2013-08-03 03:54:11 AM
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Hey man... My religion tells me to kill savages for advanced technology, for the betterment of the human race. Now put down that can of 200 year old cram, and back away slowly...
 
2013-08-03 03:56:14 AM
Thanks Pat! Folks like you make it easier and easier to turn ever more of the next generations away from religion. Keep talking and maybe in the future we won't have to worry about fundamentalists holding our government and society back as much any more.
 
2013-08-03 03:56:35 AM
Also - he doesn't say it is the same as real murder (thanks troll-mitty!)

"I think mayhem, killing, Grand Theft Auto, they get pretty bizarre. So if you're murdering somebody in cyberspace in a sense you're performing the act, whether you like it or not. "

Which is a pretty reasonable stance for people who believe in the bible.  You are performing the act, in a virtual setting.  He is saying that it's bad.  He quotes the bible giving a relevant passage that supports his position (and his position is inline with the Catholic church as well - I have no idea if he is Catholic or whatever, but I'm just saying, his stance isn't unique or anything).
 
2013-08-03 04:00:23 AM
When I first got the Sims, sometimes I created Sims just to torture them and then let them starve to death.

Does that make me a psychopath?
 
2013-08-03 04:01:14 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Also - he doesn't say it is the same as real murder (thanks troll-mitty!)

"I think mayhem, killing, Grand Theft Auto, they get pretty bizarre. So if you're murdering somebody in cyberspace in a sense you're performing the act, whether you like it or not. "

Which is a pretty reasonable stance for people who believe in the bible.  You are performing the act, in a virtual setting.  He is saying that it's bad.   He quotes the bible giving a relevant passage that supports his position (and his position is inline with the Catholic church as well - I have no idea if he is Catholic or whatever, but I'm just saying, his stance isn't unique or anything).


Actually, the passage he quotes, as was pointed out in TFA, deals with a real life woman. Continually having lustful thoughts about a real life woman is entirely different than shooting a pretend person with a pretend gun and then going about your day.

And hell, what about all the video games where you kill in the name of God? For example, the Castlevania series, the Belmonts have sworn an oath to God(the Christian one) that they will kill Dracula. As someone else pointed out, games like Doom specifically have you fighting demons to stop hell from taking over. You can hardly say this is the same as say, running over random people in GTA.
 
2013-08-03 04:01:24 AM

log_jammin: I was playing Civilization today and I let some citizens stave because I didn't have enough gold to make a caravan to deliver more food in time.

am I Hitler or just a bad bureaucrat?


Your question implies there is such a thing a "good" bureaucrat.
 
2013-08-03 04:05:36 AM
Idk? After playing assasin's creed for a week, I developed some kind of hatred towards the British. And a couple freakin red coats came to work with us that week. All I could think was, "If only I had a hatchet."
 
2013-08-03 04:05:55 AM

42_42_42: When I first got the Sims, sometimes I created Sims just to torture them and then let them starve to death.

Does that make me a psychopath?


Only when you factor in your use of Fark.
 
2013-08-03 04:06:00 AM
If playing a fictional video game is equivalent to performing the action in real life...
Then .... PAT.... each time you've read the bible...you've crucified Jesus.

And that makes Jesus a SAAAD PANDA.
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2013-08-03 04:14:43 AM
"Camp Not, Lest Ye Be Camped"
 
2013-08-03 04:16:26 AM
It was all in self-defense, Your Honor.
 
2013-08-03 04:21:08 AM

grumpfuff: Fark_Guy_Rob: Also - he doesn't say it is the same as real murder (thanks troll-mitty!)

"I think mayhem, killing, Grand Theft Auto, they get pretty bizarre. So if you're murdering somebody in cyberspace in a sense you're performing the act, whether you like it or not. "

Which is a pretty reasonable stance for people who believe in the bible.  You are performing the act, in a virtual setting.  He is saying that it's bad.   He quotes the bible giving a relevant passage that supports his position (and his position is inline with the Catholic church as well - I have no idea if he is Catholic or whatever, but I'm just saying, his stance isn't unique or anything).

Actually, the passage he quotes, as was pointed out in TFA, deals with a real life woman. Continually having lustful thoughts about a real life woman is entirely different than shooting a pretend person with a pretend gun and then going about your day.

And hell, what about all the video games where you kill in the name of God? For example, the Castlevania series, the Belmonts have sworn an oath to God(the Christian one) that they will kill Dracula. As someone else pointed out, games like Doom specifically have you fighting demons to stop hell from taking over. You can hardly say this is the same as say, running over random people in GTA.


The bible doesn't directly deal with video games.  The closest thing to a 'virtual world' talked about in the bible would be our THOUGHTS.  And if you commit a sin *in your mind*, you've already committed the sin.  I'm not saying this isn't a retarded stance; but it is the religion.  You can listen to old George Carlin skits about mortal sins and how you don't have to do the act, you just have to WANNA.  If you WANNA sin, you already did.

The specific example I hear from the bible is lusting after women.  That's not a physical act.  You aren't having sex....you're just exploring the idea in a fictional setting.  In your dreams, in your head, and the bible says it is a sin.  And, unlike some really obscure stuff in the bible that nobody pays attention to, major churches - like the Catholic church - embrace/support/teach this idea.

Given all that, I don't see how a religious person could argue that committing sins in a virtual world / video game wouldn't also be a sin.  I don't like religious people, but I REALLY hate when they are hypocritical.

Pat Robertson is a d-bag, IMHO.  But his stance on this is correct, IMHO.

Your examples about fighting demons and all that may or may not be acceptable - but the only game he mentions is GTA, and GTA is fairly extreme in that you have 'in game' free-will and can choose (and everyone does choose) to commit horrible sins for fun.

There *are* video games designed for/supported by Christians and other religious groups.  So, it's not an irrational hatred of video games, just committing sins in the games.  Maybe games where you pray and kill demons are cool....but I'm not religious and that's just speculation.

But yeah - Pat Robertson's answer on this is totally reasonable and in-line with Christian teachings and values.
 
2013-08-03 04:21:44 AM

42_42_42: When I first got the Sims, sometimes I created Sims just to torture them and then let them starve to death.

Does that make me a psychopath?


I use to build up a nice Sim City and then turn Godzilla lose on it. Then again I've also played a VN where I had sex with a cat-girl and several puppy-girls. So I have that going for me. Which is nice. I guess.

/is he in a competition with the queen to see who can become the oldest addled person alive?
 
2013-08-03 04:24:10 AM

Piizzadude: Great, now I am worse than Hitler. shiat he is a pansy compared to me and I suck at gaming


Well acording to Dante's Inferno Blasphemers,Heretics, Sodomites, and Witches go to worse levels of hell than murderers. So gays and wiccans are worse than Hitler.
 
2013-08-03 04:31:46 AM
Pat Robertson : Derp derp derp derp derp derp derp legalize marijuana derp derp derp derp derp derp derp
 
2013-08-03 04:34:21 AM
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2013-08-03 04:35:25 AM
In my opinion, killing people in video games isn't nearly as satisfying.
 
2013-08-03 04:40:29 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: The specific example I hear from the bible is lusting after women.  That's not a physical act.  You aren't having sex....you're just exploring the idea in a fictional setting.  In your dreams, in your head, and the bible says it is a sin.  And, unlike some really obscure stuff in the bible that nobody pays attention to, major churches - like the Catholic church - embrace/support/teach this idea.



The difference is, lust is always a sin within the Christian religion - there is no situation where it is acceptable. Killing, however, can be permissible. Jesus may have disagreed with this, but most Christians these days like Paul more than Jesus anyway.

There's also another line of reasoning here. Mainly that, sin or not, regularly lusting after women, especially those you have no chance with is bad for plenty of non-religious reasons - unhealthy obsessions and all that, and I'm sure a case could be made that it makes someone more likely to rape. There's a line of argument that some Jewish laws, like kosher, were simply practical rules for living(at the time), couched in religious wording to give it more authority. I've always felt this quote from Jesus was more along those lines, or, more probably, something added later. It just doesn't seem to fit with his general theme - help the poor and the sick, don't be an arse, etc.

Then we could pull out something like being gay. By traditional Catholic dogma, it's not being attracted to(and therefore probably fantasizing about) the same sex that's the sin, but actually doing it. Basically, being gay isn't the sin, it's the actual gay sex. So yea, I don't know if arguing for coherency in Christian theology is the best route here.

All that being said though, I generally agree with you, except that calling Robertson a d-bag isn't quite harsh enough. Not really looking to insult you or anything, it's just I got a dual major in philosophy and religion, and so I enjoy these types of discussions, even if I'm not Christian myself.
 
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