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(AL.com)   For the record, if you're running for office and you are divorced, you shouldn't claim in your campaign ads that you're a family man   (blog.al.com) divider line 75
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2013-08-03 08:42:02 AM
I thought Family Man was killed by Constantine.
 
2013-08-03 08:42:08 AM
Don't want your family life questioned? Don't put 'em front and center in your campaign.
 
2013-08-03 08:44:47 AM
BTW not seeing any comments about him using a couple of public servants in uniform.
 
2013-08-03 08:46:19 AM

Curious: given how he is defending the inference that he is currently married i'd say that portraying himself as married was the intent.

that said the police in the ad are a bigger problem. sure looks like a violation of department policy if not against the law.


I stand corrected about no comments regarding cops. Also this.
 
2013-08-03 09:13:13 AM
I do not have any kids but I know enough single fathers who do an excellent job; some are de facto mothers and/or the "father" to a kid that isn't theirs but is a half-sibling to their kid.  So put me in the group of divorced doesn't necessarily mean you are a bad "family man".
 
2013-08-03 09:28:11 AM
Isn't more better to claim being a 'family man' if you are divorced?  He now has the opportunity to start another family, becoming more of a family guy since he will have two families instead of just one.  I only see this as a person who is fighting the good fight against Obama and his use of marriage as a way to regulate and in turn, stifle men across this country from starting multiple families.
 
2013-08-03 09:34:01 AM

Emposter: Yeah...gotta agree.  And, on top of that, Bashar seems to be trying to say that marriages that stick together DON'T have "moments in which you behaved in a less than admirable fashion" or "did something wrong," which is not only ridiculous, but implies that you can't have good parents unless you live in a a 60's television show where everyone is always smiling and it never rains.


That's a different issue entirely though. With divorce, there's a clear legal record that something went terribly wrong along the way. I stated it poorly, since there are of course situations where one spouse is clearly innocent and the other is clearly at fault, but generally speaking "mistakes were made" along the way by everyone involved. For those people, they signed up for a lifelong commitment, screwed it up, and dissolved it, in the same way that if I took out a life-long mortgage and defaulted on it halfway through. I may have had valid reasons for defaulting on the loan, but my credit score is still going to take a beating, much in the same way that divorce is going to negatively impact your character, uh, score.
 
2013-08-03 10:12:16 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Only if you're a Democrat, subby



Divorced is the new American Dream.  (besides Money , of course)

they got divorced and lived happily ever after!
 
2013-08-03 10:14:18 AM
tbeatty
It's idiotic to consider that Republicans view divorce as a sin.

Or is it?

Protip: If you ever find yourself thinking, "Not even Republicans would be that stupid!", the chances of you being wrong are approaching 100%.
 
2013-08-03 10:33:49 AM
Family Man sounds like a really lame superhero. What is his power, to leap tall Lego buildings in a single bound?
 
2013-08-03 10:43:24 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: tbeatty
It's idiotic to consider that Republicans view divorce as a sin.

Or is it?

Protip: If you ever find yourself thinking, "Not even Republicans would be that stupid!", the chances of you being wrong are approaching 100%.


Maybe it's just me, but if you're trying to reduce the number of divorces (and let's exclude abusive relationships)  wouldn't a smarter solution be to have the waiting period on the front end rather than the back.  You can get married instantly, but if you want the tax benefits  you complete the courses that demonstrate that you understand household management and financial planning or you have a waiting period.  You don't get divorced in that time frame the tax benefits are applied retroactively.
Don't get me wrong, the law is a steaming pile of shiat (face it, if you haven't learned those skills before you went to court, chances are you aren't going to want them afterwards) but it seems a little odd that the marriage license and tax benefits seems to be one of the few (if any) that don't require some sort of demonstration of skills.  Yeah, marriage is a fundamental right: I didn't see any fundamental right to have your tax bill slashed for it.
 
2013-08-03 10:56:32 AM

miss diminutive: People should remain eternally locked in loveless, soul-crushing marriages for eternity. It's what God would have wanted.





God said so in the bible!
 
2013-08-03 11:10:48 AM
You know who else was a family man?

www.biography.com
 
2013-08-03 11:40:57 AM

tbeatty: Gyrfalcon: Well, subby, it depends on why the man in question got divorced.

If he got divorced because he and his wife over many years of marriage simply decided that they had grown apart as individuals, separated amicably, and maintained a good post-dissolution relationship for the sake of their children; then he's still a "family man" despite being divorced and can certainly say that in his political ads.

If he told his cancer-stricken third wife in her hospital bed that he was leaving her for wife number four--with more money and tumor-free breasts--then that's a bit different, isn't it?

Naah, John Edwards was a bit different as he didn't have the guts to tell her.  Imagine how disappointed he was when she didn't die during the campaign and brought in the sympathy vote.  Edwards might be President today if Elizabeth died when he needed her to.  Stupid chemo kept her alive too long and he was forced to commit felonies.


Also his mistress didn't keep her trap shut and lie low during crunch time.
 
2013-08-03 11:58:57 AM
With 60% of Americans who are married with a family being on their second or more family with different people...

Being divorced sounds like pretty normal American family life.

It's not normal most other places, but it is here.
 
2013-08-03 12:07:26 PM

Cpl.D: Marriage is fine.  It's when you think it has to be permanent that is the aberration.  People change.  You are not the person you were even a year ago.  The pretense that anything related to mankind involves any sort of permanence is just silly.

Sometimes the best thing you can do to honor the good years is to put a quick end to it when they aren't good anymore.


And you have to acknowledge that a relationship ending doesn't necessarily mean that either party farked up. People grow apart. Relationships run their course. It's all okay.
 
2013-08-03 12:46:09 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Emposter: Yeah...gotta agree.  And, on top of that, Bashar seems to be trying to say that marriages that stick together DON'T have "moments in which you behaved in a less than admirable fashion" or "did something wrong," which is not only ridiculous, but implies that you can't have good parents unless you live in a a 60's television show where everyone is always smiling and it never rains.

That's a different issue entirely though. With divorce, there's a clear legal record that something went terribly wrong along the way. I stated it poorly, since there are of course situations where one spouse is clearly innocent and the other is clearly at fault, but generally speaking "mistakes were made" along the way by everyone involved. For those people, they signed up for a lifelong commitment, screwed it up, and dissolved it, in the same way that if I took out a life-long mortgage and defaulted on it halfway through. I may have had valid reasons for defaulting on the loan, but my credit score is still going to take a beating, much in the same way that divorce is going to negatively impact your character, uh, score.


Behavior does not determine character, especially not for all eternity. Redemption is always available.
 
2013-08-03 02:15:16 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: tbeatty
It's idiotic to consider that Republicans view divorce as a sin.

Or is it?

Protip: If you ever find yourself thinking, "Not even Republicans would be that stupid!", the chances of you being wrong are approaching 100%.


Protip, read the whole post I wrote.  Matter of fact, just learn to read and comprehend.  Making it difficult is not making it or calling it a sin,  The marriage community ends at filing, not decree.  It keeps farkers from divorcing/remarrying and also keeps protections like insurance in place.
 
2013-08-03 03:17:15 PM

tbeatty: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: tbeatty
It's idiotic to consider that Republicans view divorce as a sin.

Or is it?

Protip: If you ever find yourself thinking, "Not even Republicans would be that stupid!", the chances of you being wrong are approaching 100%.

Protip, read the whole post I wrote.  Matter of fact, just learn to read and comprehend.  Making it difficult is not making it or calling it a sin,  The marriage community ends at filing, not decree.  It keeps farkers from divorcing/remarrying and also keeps protections like insurance in place.


So first you complain about people in abusive marriages and wanting to get out then defend a blanket two-year waiting period on divorces.
 
2013-08-03 05:59:03 PM
My parents' divorce was the best thing that ever happened to my family.
 
2013-08-03 07:03:49 PM

Curious: given how he is defending the inference that he is currently married i'd say that portraying himself as married was the intent.

that said the police in the ad are a bigger problem. sure looks like a violation of department policy if not against the law.


If they were in uniform and on the clock it's a pretty clear violation.

The whole "family guy" thing is a non starter for me but that BS right there looks like a long term incumbent (being over spent significantly by his new challenger) pulling out all the stops in a last ditch attempt to retain power.
 
2013-08-03 08:44:42 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Emposter: Yeah...gotta agree.  And, on top of that, Bashar seems to be trying to say that marriages that stick together DON'T have "moments in which you behaved in a less than admirable fashion" or "did something wrong," which is not only ridiculous, but implies that you can't have good parents unless you live in a a 60's television show where everyone is always smiling and it never rains.

That's a different issue entirely though. With divorce, there's a clear legal record that something went terribly wrong along the way. I stated it poorly, since there are of course situations where one spouse is clearly innocent and the other is clearly at fault, but generally speaking "mistakes were made" along the way by everyone involved. For those people, they signed up for a lifelong commitment, screwed it up, and dissolved it, in the same way that if I took out a life-long mortgage and defaulted on it halfway through. I may have had valid reasons for defaulting on the loan, but my credit score is still going to take a beating, much in the same way that divorce is going to negatively impact your character, uh, score.


I'm sorry about your family, but your assertion "that something went terribly wrong along the way" is not necessarily true. Most of the divorced people I know were simply too young when they married. This doesn't make them bad people, though a case could be made that they are the victims of highly religious families, but that doesn't make them bad people and it doesn't even mean that they, personally, screwed something up. It just means that people shouldn't get married or make any other lifetime commitment at 18.
 
2013-08-03 11:04:48 PM

Fart_Machine: tbeatty: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: tbeatty
It's idiotic to consider that Republicans view divorce as a sin.

Or is it?

Protip: If you ever find yourself thinking, "Not even Republicans would be that stupid!", the chances of you being wrong are approaching 100%.

Protip, read the whole post I wrote.  Matter of fact, just learn to read and comprehend.  Making it difficult is not making it or calling it a sin,  The marriage community ends at filing, not decree.  It keeps farkers from divorcing/remarrying and also keeps protections like insurance in place.

So first you complain about people in abusive marriages and wanting to get out then defend a blanket two-year waiting period on divorces.


Waiting period for divorce, sure, waiting period for order of protection, nope.  Waiting period after spouse conviction, nope.  Waiting period for infidelity, nope.
 
2013-08-03 11:23:52 PM
tbeatty
Protip, read the whole post I wrote.

I read your post. I read gadian's post that you replied to. I responded to the only germane point you made before you went off bloviating like your name was Robert Heinlein.

This obviously bruised your ego, so you let me know if you need a hug or something.

/wuv you
 
2013-08-04 12:14:42 AM
Oh good Lord.  Have we gone this far?

And 1.2 million for a mayor's race?
 
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