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(AL.com)   For the record, if you're running for office and you are divorced, you shouldn't claim in your campaign ads that you're a family man   (blog.al.com) divider line 75
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2013-08-02 08:37:03 PM
Only if you're a Democrat, subby
 
2013-08-02 09:23:26 PM
Why not? Does divorce suddenly make you a bad father? Is it better for the children to grow up in a house where their parents fight and argue all the time?
 
2013-08-02 09:49:34 PM
Depends on what the divorce was about and what he does with his kids...

Let's see, one adult child that is strongly supportive of her father, so I guess he did right by that part. No details in the article about the divorce so can't make any judgement there at this point. But there are lots of valid reasons for divorce that don't automatically make him a bad husband. If the wife asked for the divorce, then it would be more supportive of him to grant it rather than forcing her to remain married against her will.
 
2013-08-02 11:15:41 PM
Subby, I think you're confusing "family man" with what the Republicans call "family values".  A divorced man can very well be a family man, but would have committed some sort of sin in the code of "family values".  Family values = moral position.
 
2013-08-02 11:16:03 PM
People should remain eternally locked in loveless, soul-crushing marriages for eternity. It's what God would have wanted.
 
2013-08-02 11:17:25 PM
Cruising for men in the airport bathrooms is still ok?
 
2013-08-02 11:26:43 PM
Worked for Newt Gingrich.
 
2013-08-02 11:29:43 PM

Tom_Slick: Why not? Does divorce suddenly make you a bad father? Is it better for the children to grow up in a house where their parents fight and argue all the time?


You're expecting logic and sound reasoning out of the politics tab?
 
2013-08-02 11:40:02 PM
Well, subby, it depends on why the man in question got divorced.

If he got divorced because he and his wife over many years of marriage simply decided that they had grown apart as individuals, separated amicably, and maintained a good post-dissolution relationship for the sake of their children; then he's still a "family man" despite being divorced and can certainly say that in his political ads.

If he told his cancer-stricken third wife in her hospital bed that he was leaving her for wife number four--with more money and tumor-free breasts--then that's a bit different, isn't it?
 
2013-08-02 11:45:36 PM

Tom_Slick: Why not? Does divorce suddenly make you a bad father? Is it better for the children to grow up in a house where their parents fight and argue all the time?


I don't know. I should have married her at some point, I suppose

don't be hating...
 
2013-08-02 11:49:04 PM
Doesn't mean he's not a family man....just better at trading up
 
2013-08-02 11:56:52 PM
Subby is clearly not a divorced man with children.
 
2013-08-02 11:57:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: Well, subby, it depends on why the man in question got divorced.

If he got divorced because he and his wife over many years of marriage simply decided that they had grown apart as individuals, separated amicably, and maintained a good post-dissolution relationship for the sake of their children; then he's still a "family man" despite being divorced and can certainly say that in his political ads.

If he told his cancer-stricken third wife in her hospital bed that he was leaving her for wife number four--with more money and tumor-free breasts--then that's a bit different, isn't it?


You're supposed to ride her corpse to the White House like Edwards tried to do.
 
2013-08-03 12:02:37 AM
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2013-08-03 12:03:26 AM
"Family values" means "I hates them Feelthy Queers."
 
2013-08-03 12:05:13 AM
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2013-08-03 12:07:19 AM
Stimpson's remarks stem from a political advertisement that shows Jones' roles in the past that include a U.S. Navy veteran, Mobile County commissioner, and mayor. It also indicates he's been a father, grandfather and husband.

"Been". Past tense. Nothing to see here.


"I take offense to anyone who tries to bring my family and my father's character into this campaign,"

Um, hate to break it to you sunshine, but the person who brought your family into this campaign was your father.
 
2013-08-03 12:11:20 AM
www.politicalwatchman.com

Worked for Newt.
 
2013-08-03 12:15:15 AM
Presumably he still has a family even if he is divorced.
 
2013-08-03 12:16:14 AM
given how he is defending the inference that he is currently married i'd say that portraying himself as married was the intent.

that said the police in the ad are a bigger problem. sure looks like a violation of department policy if not against the law.
 
2013-08-03 12:21:52 AM
Divorced men can't be family men, subby?
 
2013-08-03 12:31:56 AM
Leave him alone he's a family man and his bark is much worse than his bite.
 
2013-08-03 12:55:41 AM
fark you subby.
 
2013-08-03 01:03:09 AM

Fart_Machine: Leave him alone he's a family man and his bark is much worse than his bite.


Dammit, got it before me. Well, here's a picture anyway. :)

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/I know it wasn't originally done by Hall and Oates
//I just like their version better
///Especially the extended version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQdu4UOCUZc
////Slashies!
 
2013-08-03 01:08:12 AM
Marriage is fine.  It's when you think it has to be permanent that is the aberration.  People change.  You are not the person you were even a year ago.  The pretense that anything related to mankind involves any sort of permanence is just silly.

Sometimes the best thing you can do to honor the good years is to put a quick end to it when they aren't good anymore.
 
2013-08-03 01:25:37 AM

Gyrfalcon: Well, subby, it depends on why the man in question got divorced.

If he got divorced because he and his wife over many years of marriage simply decided that they had grown apart as individuals, separated amicably, and maintained a good post-dissolution relationship for the sake of their children; then he's still a "family man" despite being divorced and can certainly say that in his political ads.

If he told his cancer-stricken third wife in her hospital bed that he was leaving her for wife number four--with more money and tumor-free breasts--then that's a bit different, isn't it?


So Newt Gingrich or John McCain then? It still amazes me how few people realize the shiatbags they are and what they did to their ex-wives.
 
2013-08-03 01:29:51 AM
It's fairly true, I'll admit.

As a child of divorce myself, it's pretty unlikely that you can proclaim yourself a family man in the aftermath. Unless you as a father or mother divorced amicably and with no hard feelings because you are Buddhist monks, there were moments in which you behaved in a less than admirable fashion. Somebody did something wrong, somebody may or may not have retaliated, and voila, divorce.

The act of divorce in and of itself is a condemnation of your character.
 
2013-08-03 01:46:53 AM
Here's what I imagine they really want to say:

Sandy: "Voters, my opponent is black.  He's screwed up your state, and that's what black people do.  Screw things up.  Vote for me, and I'll put a stop to black people screwing you."

Sam: "Voters, my opponent has a woman's name.  Sandy.  That must mean he caught 'teh gay.'  Do you really want a pillow biter in office?  Vote for me, and I'll make sure this queer doesn't molest any of your kids."
 
2013-08-03 02:27:02 AM

Vertdang: [www.politicalwatchman.com image 850x478]

Worked for Newt.


folkscene.com

I once saw the Austin Lounge Lizards perform "Gingrich the Newt"
 
2013-08-03 02:45:25 AM
"I never specified that it was my own family of which I am the 'man'."
 
2013-08-03 02:52:57 AM
www.washingtonpost.com

Hay guys, what's going on in this thread? I was out hiking and might have missed a few things.
 
2013-08-03 02:56:07 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's fairly true, I'll admit.

As a child of divorce myself, it's pretty unlikely that you can proclaim yourself a family man in the aftermath. Unless you as a father or mother divorced amicably and with no hard feelings because you are Buddhist monks, there were moments in which you behaved in a less than admirable fashion. Somebody did something wrong, somebody may or may not have retaliated, and voila, divorce.

The act of divorce in and of itself is a condemnation of your character.


My parents.

My father, for various reasons, was not a good husband in the 1970's, so my mother divorced him. Despite a couple bad months, they maintained a reasonably good relationship which continues to this day (35 years later). Neither of them have condemnable characters. Of course, neither of them would be good politicians--but for reasons unrelated to their divorce.
 
2013-08-03 04:03:23 AM

IlGreven: Worked for Newt Gingrich.

every other supposedly "family values" Republican willing to put party before country.

FTFallofus.
 
2013-08-03 04:54:38 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's fairly true, I'll admit.

As a child of divorce myself, it's pretty unlikely that you can proclaim yourself a family man in the aftermath. Unless you as a father or mother divorced amicably and with no hard feelings because you are Buddhist monks, there were moments in which you behaved in a less than admirable fashion. Somebody did something wrong, somebody may or may not have retaliated, and voila, divorce.

The act of divorce in and of itself is a condemnation of your character.


Sounds like you've got some issues to work out.
 
2013-08-03 05:37:01 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's fairly true, I'll admit.

As a child of divorce myself, it's pretty unlikely that you can proclaim yourself a family man in the aftermath. Unless you as a father or mother divorced amicably and with no hard feelings because you are Buddhist monks, there were moments in which you behaved in a less than admirable fashion. Somebody did something wrong, somebody may or may not have retaliated, and voila, divorce.

The act of divorce in and of itself is a condemnation of your character.


You're an idiot.  The act of divorce can be a testament to good character.  To wit, if Hillary (Hema) had divorced Bill (Weiner) over infidelity, it is not her character that is in question.   If a spouse seeks a divorce to stop abuse, that does not speak poorly of them.  Nor are single moms not a "family person" as subby claims.  Divorce in and of itself is a civil proceeding.  the acts that precipitate it or demand it, are not as simple as "everyone's bad."  Sorry if that was your experience as it appears you have shiatty parents if you believe they are both equally at fault and both took actions that destroyed their character.  There are women that die at the hands of their husbands literally because there are people like you that condemn their character for simply wanting to stay alive.
 
2013-08-03 05:44:30 AM

miss diminutive: People should remain eternally locked in loveless, soul-crushing marriages for eternity. It's what God would have wanted.


Ah, so that's why you divorced me.
/it all makes sense now
 
2013-08-03 05:48:54 AM

gadian: Subby, I think you're confusing "family man" with what the Republicans call "family values".  A divorced man can very well be a family man, but would have committed some sort of sin in the code of "family values".  Family values = moral position.


Not quite true.  If mom was an adulterer, physically abusive or drug addict and he divorced her, chooses not to make those reasons public, raises his daughter by himself, I think he would have both family values and be a family man.  Switch the genders around and try to condemn a mother for doing the same thing.  Neither Democrats nor Republicans would condemn Weiners wife for seeking a divorce.  Certainly no one would condemn her family values or commitment to raising her daughter.  In fact, the question almost swings the other way and she is asked why she would tolerate someone like that.
 
2013-08-03 06:00:44 AM
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"Hey everyone, I'm back.  Luckily Elizabeth died before the divorce or all these posters would be questioning her character and her commitment to family."
 
2013-08-03 06:10:18 AM

Gyrfalcon: Well, subby, it depends on why the man in question got divorced.

If he got divorced because he and his wife over many years of marriage simply decided that they had grown apart as individuals, separated amicably, and maintained a good post-dissolution relationship for the sake of their children; then he's still a "family man" despite being divorced and can certainly say that in his political ads.

If he told his cancer-stricken third wife in her hospital bed that he was leaving her for wife number four--with more money and tumor-free breasts--then that's a bit different, isn't it?


Naah, John Edwards was a bit different as he didn't have the guts to tell her.  Imagine how disappointed he was when she didn't die during the campaign and brought in the sympathy vote.  Edwards might be President today if Elizabeth died when he needed her to.  Stupid chemo kept her alive too long and he was forced to commit felonies.
 
2013-08-03 06:39:58 AM

Tom_Slick: Why not? Does divorce suddenly make you a bad father? Is it better for the children to grow up in a house where their parents fight and argue all the time?


Came to say this.  On the other hand, conservatives have changed the meaning of the word "family" to "bigot."  Calling yourself a "family" anything is just asking for trouble these days.  Maybe go with "good parent" or something.  I don't think the right has farked up the meaning of "parent" yet.

tbeatty: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's fairly true, I'll admit.

As a child of divorce myself, it's pretty unlikely that you can proclaim yourself a family man in the aftermath. Unless you as a father or mother divorced amicably and with no hard feelings because you are Buddhist monks, there were moments in which you behaved in a less than admirable fashion. Somebody did something wrong, somebody may or may not have retaliated, and voila, divorce.

The act of divorce in and of itself is a condemnation of your character.

You're an idiot.  The act of divorce can be a testament to good character.  To wit, if Hillary (Hema) had divorced Bill (Weiner) over infidelity, it is not her character that is in question.   If a spouse seeks a divorce to stop abuse, that does not speak poorly of them.  Nor are single moms not a "family person" as subby claims.  Divorce in and of itself is a civil proceeding.  the acts that precipitate it or demand it, are not as simple as "everyone's bad."  Sorry if that was your experience as it appears you have shiatty parents if you believe they are both equally at fault and both took actions that destroyed their character.  There are women that die at the hands of their husbands literally because there are people like you that condemn their character for simply wanting to stay alive.


Yeah...gotta agree.  And, on top of that, Bashar seems to be trying to say that marriages that stick together DON'T have "moments in which you behaved in a less than admirable fashion" or "did something wrong," which is not only ridiculous, but implies that you can't have good parents unless you live in a a 60's television show where everyone is always smiling and it never rains.
 
2013-08-03 06:58:55 AM

tbeatty: Not quite true. If mom was an adulterer, physically abusive or drug addict and he divorced her, chooses not to make those reasons public, raises his daughter by himself, I think he would have both family values and be a family man. Switch the genders around and try to condemn a mother for doing the same thing. Neither Democrats nor Republicans would condemn Weiners wife for seeking a divorce. Certainly no one would condemn her family values or commitment to raising her daughter. In fact, the question almost swings the other way and she is asked why she would tolerate someone like that.


I was condemning the idiotic Republican ideal that divorce is a sin and a flaw against one's "family values".  Not that it matters when one of them gets a divorce, you see.
 
2013-08-03 07:32:26 AM

gadian: tbeatty: Not quite true. If mom was an adulterer, physically abusive or drug addict and he divorced her, chooses not to make those reasons public, raises his daughter by himself, I think he would have both family values and be a family man. Switch the genders around and try to condemn a mother for doing the same thing. Neither Democrats nor Republicans would condemn Weiners wife for seeking a divorce. Certainly no one would condemn her family values or commitment to raising her daughter. In fact, the question almost swings the other way and she is asked why she would tolerate someone like that.

I was condemning the idiotic Republican ideal that divorce is a sin and a flaw against one's "family values".  Not that it matters when one of them gets a divorce, you see.


It's idiotic to consider that Republicans view divorce as a sin.  I believe you are conflating Catholic with Republican.    Even Catholics can get dispensation for divorce,  The Republican ideal is that parenthood, marriage and divorce should not be taken lightly.  In terms of divorce and family, I believe Republicans would oppose "no fault" divorce states.  Misconduct such as abuse, infidelity, etc, should play a significant role in awarding marital assets.  If a man cheats on his wife, abandons his family or is physically abusive to his wife, the court should not turn a blind eye and say "it doesn't matter, he still gets half the assets and equal parenting time."  There is certainly "at fault" divorces (i.e. Mark Sanford and John Edwards if she had lived) and every state should have at fault penalties.  Every prenup should be voidable for certain "at fault" actions.   Personally, I think the list of items a person can keep in bankruptcy should be the limit for certain actions.  Beat your wife so she needs hospitalization and an order of protection to file for divorce and she should be entitled to nearly every possession to maintain whats left of the family.
 
2013-08-03 07:38:09 AM
Reagan was an adulterer and divorced.
 
2013-08-03 08:02:32 AM

gadian: Subby, I think you're confusing "family man" with what the Republicans call "family values".  A divorced man can very well be a family man, but would have committed some sort of sin in the code of "family values".  Family values = moral position.


I thought "family values" meant "closet homosexual"...?
 
2013-08-03 08:14:18 AM
I see you're still living in the reality-based community, subby, but that's not how the game is played any more.
 
2013-08-03 08:19:44 AM
Yeah.  "Family man" means you have a wife that you're farking around on.
 
2013-08-03 08:29:55 AM
At least he's not gay
 
2013-08-03 08:33:49 AM

Gyrfalcon: Well, subby, it depends on why the man in question got divorced.

If he got divorced because he and his wife over many years of marriage simply decided that they had grown apart as individuals, separated amicably, and maintained a good post-dissolution relationship for the sake of their children; then he's still a "family man" despite being divorced and can certainly say that in his political ads.

If he told his cancer-stricken third wife in her hospital bed that he was leaving her for wife number four--with more money and tumor-free breasts--then that's a bit different, isn't it?


Amicable divorce has all of the logic of friendly fire. And for that matter why in the hell should I care if he is or is not a family man?
 
2013-08-03 08:34:20 AM
"Family values" is code word for Republican bull s#it
 
2013-08-03 08:40:54 AM
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