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(Fox News)   "...investigators had to wait more than an hour to begin examining the scene because several Chihuahuas threatened emergency workers as they checked to see if the victims had a pulse." And that's AFTER things had already gotten weird   (foxnews.com) divider line 70
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2013-08-02 05:51:16 PM  
Chihuahuas.
 
2013-08-02 05:52:49 PM  
Nasty little ankle-biters!
 
2013-08-02 05:54:55 PM  
Sex offender registries have always struck me as a necessary evil to protect the public, but this has me leaning further into the "bad idea" camp.  Say you're one of the rehabilitated ones, or you were never a true sex offender in the first place.  Should the state be providing a kill list with your name on it to psychopaths?
 
2013-08-02 05:54:58 PM  
If there's a good chance someone or something is dying, chihuahuas are a huge fan of letting nature run its course, and will attack anyone who tries to interfere.

/been attacked by one while trying to rescue a dog that'd gone under a moving car
//no, I will not give you CPR if you have chihuahuas
 
2013-08-02 05:57:56 PM  
Was this guy even a child molester?  Article couldn't seem to figure that out.
 
2013-08-02 05:59:25 PM  
Gotta love them christian skin heads!
 
2013-08-02 06:01:08 PM  
The neighborhood watchman in question:

i.i.cbsi.com

/He was standing his ground against pedophilia.
 
2013-08-02 06:02:25 PM  

Lsherm: Sex offender registries have always struck me as a necessary evil to protect the public, but this has me leaning further into the "bad idea" camp.  Say you're one of the rehabilitated ones, or you were never a true sex offender in the first place.  Should the state be providing a kill list with your name on it to psychopaths?


There should be refinements to what gets you on such a list, peeing in the bushes can land you there among the kiddie diddlers and rapists.
 
2013-08-02 06:11:41 PM  
No taco bell dog?

Iamdisappoint.jpg

/would post it, but on shiatty mobile
 
2013-08-02 06:15:43 PM  
Vigilante justice is bad. I hope this guy gets punished.

If the victim was a legitimate sex offender, karma caught up to him, and his wife is guilty by association. If not, sucks to be you.
 
2013-08-02 06:17:11 PM  
I've always been of the mindset that this kind of 'public shaming list' idea is bad on multiple levels.

Beyond just enabling vigilante justice like this lunatic performed, the list also completely invalidates the point of the judicial system.  Isn't the system, at it's basic level, supposed to be 'We prove you are guilty, then you serve the sentence we decide, after that you have paid your debt for your actions and are free to go"?  After you've done your time, shouldn't it be over?  But lists like this, you don't get taken off.  Ever.  You are on that sex offender list forever, meaning your sentence is never truly done.  It basically turns a 10 year sentence into a lifetime sentence, which is wrong.
 
2013-08-02 06:21:07 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Was this guy even a child molester?  Article couldn't seem to figure that out.


They said Third Degree sexual misconduct. So the poor guy was probably got drunk and flashed someone. Or public urination.
 
2013-08-02 06:24:04 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Was this guy even a child molester?  Article couldn't seem to figure that out.


The article mentions he was convicted of third-degree criminal sexual conduct, whatever that is. I found his record using his name, state and date of conviction (08/02/1991). A couple of online mugshot hits come up but nothing that mentions his victim. He could have been peeing against a wall for all anyone knows.
 
2013-08-02 06:25:45 PM  
Did this guy even actually have sex with a child? It says that he was convicted of 3rd degree sexual conduct. What even falls under 3rd degree?

Hhmmm, a quick googlefu comes up with this:

S.C. Code Ann. § 16-3-654. Criminal sexual conduct in the third degree
(1) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree if the actor engages in sexual battery with the victim and if any one or more of the following circumstances are proven:
    (a) The actor uses force or coercion to accomplish the sexual battery in the absence of aggravating circumstances.
   (b) The actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally defective, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless and aggravated force or aggravated coercion was not used to accomplish sexual battery.

So this guy wasn't on the list for peeing in a park or banging a girl who gave him a bad ID. He either raped someone or banged a handicapped person, but it doesn't mean he was a pedo either I guess. Not enough to know if a child was even involved.
 
2013-08-02 06:29:48 PM  

xellas84: I've always been of the mindset that this kind of 'public shaming list' idea is bad on multiple levels.

Beyond just enabling vigilante justice like this lunatic performed, the list also completely invalidates the point of the judicial system.  Isn't the system, at it's basic level, supposed to be 'We prove you are guilty, then you serve the sentence we decide, after that you have paid your debt for your actions and are free to go"?  After you've done your time, shouldn't it be over?  But lists like this, you don't get taken off.  Ever.  You are on that sex offender list forever, meaning your sentence is never truly done.  It basically turns a 10 year sentence into a lifetime sentence, which is wrong.


"I make no secret of my past, but isn't our system of justice based on the idea that a man can change?"

"Ahhh, I'll have the boys check into that."
 
2013-08-02 06:30:24 PM  
Moody has "skinhead" tattooed across his neck

You shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.  But you can read the title and glean some meaning.
 
2013-08-02 06:34:29 PM  

asdrabael: Did this guy even actually have sex with a child? It says that he was convicted of 3rd degree sexual conduct. What even falls under 3rd degree?

Hhmmm, a quick googlefu comes up with this:

S.C. Code Ann. § 16-3-654. Criminal sexual conduct in the third degree
(1) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree if the actor engages in sexual battery with the victim and if any one or more of the following circumstances are proven:
    (a) The actor uses force or coercion to accomplish the sexual battery in the absence of aggravating circumstances.
   (b) The actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally defective, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless and aggravated force or aggravated coercion was not used to accomplish sexual battery.

So this guy wasn't on the list for peeing in a park or banging a girl who gave him a bad ID. He either raped someone or banged a handicapped person, but it doesn't mean he was a pedo either I guess. Not enough to know if a child was even involved.


Hate to say it, but I've seen the 'coercion' bit used in cases where someone just lied about themselves.  Might not have been a forceful rape, especially with it having been third degree, because full on rape usually gets first degree along with other charges.  But like you said, no way to tell exactly without seeing the case file in quesiton.  Guy likely wasn't a saint, but definitely didn't deserve to have some skinhead bust down his door and knife him and his wife.  shiat like this is the only result of a shame list, well that and making it impossible for those people to actually change for the better and re-integrate into proper society.
 
2013-08-02 06:36:50 PM  
I'll never forget when they arrested this guy in the West Palm Beach area maybe 12-15 years ago.  The cops had the fat, shirtless guy on the floor, and two chihuahuas stood on his back, guarding him.  The local news station blurred the dogs' faces.  Nearly PIMP.
 
2013-08-02 06:38:26 PM  

Actually, after reading further.......If he was a pedophile, under South Carolina law, he would automatically be a 2nd degree. this is what it specifically says:

CRIMINAL SEXUAL CONDUCT - SECOND DEGREE

Class C FelonyCode §§16-3-653, 16-3-655 (B) & (C), 16-3-656CDR Code 161, 396-397, 256Elements Of The Offense:

1. That the accused used aggravated coercion to accomplish sexual battery
Note: Refer to §16-3-651 for definitions of aggravated coercion and sexual battery. Aggravated coercion is distinguished from aggravated force in that coercion entails a threat, where aggravated force involves the carrying out of the threat. A person is guilty of this offense if he engages or attempts to engage in sexual battery with a victim who is 11 to 14 years old and the actor is older than the victim. Also, one is guilty of this offense if the victim is 14 to 16 years of age and the actor is in a position of familial, custodial, or official authority to coerce the victim to submit, or is older than the victim. [§§16-3-655(3) and 16-3-656].
 So it sounds like he creepily pushed himself someone, maybe a woman who was handicapped or even worked for him, but not a child?
 
2013-08-02 06:39:04 PM  
Good to see the kinfolk make ink.
 
2013-08-02 06:39:11 PM  

asdrabael: Did this guy even actually have sex with a child? It says that he was convicted of 3rd degree sexual conduct. What even falls under 3rd degree?

Hhmmm, a quick googlefu comes up with this:

S.C. Code Ann. § 16-3-654. Criminal sexual conduct in the third degree
(1) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree if the actor engages in sexual battery with the victim and if any one or more of the following circumstances are proven:
    (a) The actor uses force or coercion to accomplish the sexual battery in the absence of aggravating circumstances.
   (b) The actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally defective, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless and aggravated force or aggravated coercion was not used to accomplish sexual battery.

So this guy wasn't on the list for peeing in a park or banging a girl who gave him a bad ID. He either raped someone or banged a handicapped person, but it doesn't mean he was a pedo either I guess. Not enough to know if a child was even involved.


Well, first we need to clarify what "sexual battery" is defined as.
 
2013-08-02 06:39:22 PM  

trappedspirit: Moody has "skinhead" tattooed across his neck

You shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.  But you can read the title and glean some meaning.


See, when I first read TFA, my brain parsed that tattoo as "Shiathead". I stand by my brain's decision on this.
 
2013-08-02 06:42:28 PM  
And if they'd kicked the chihuahua through the goalposts, the cops would have been the bad guys.
 
2013-08-02 06:43:19 PM  

KillerChihuahua: Good to see the kinfolk make ink.


heh
 
2013-08-02 06:45:08 PM  
I thought standard procedure was for police to shoot any dogs found in a house?
 
2013-08-02 06:45:19 PM  

asdrabael: Actually, after reading further.......If he was a pedophile, under South Carolina law, he would automatically be a 2nd degree. this is what it specifically says:

CRIMINAL SEXUAL CONDUCT - SECOND DEGREE

Class C FelonyCode §§16-3-653, 16-3-655 (B) & (C), 16-3-656CDR Code 161, 396-397, 256Elements Of The Offense:
1. That the accused used aggravated coercion to accomplish sexual battery
Note: Refer to §16-3-651 for definitions of aggravated coercion and sexual battery. Aggravated coercion is distinguished from aggravated force in that coercion entails a threat, where aggravated force involves the carrying out of the threat. A person is guilty of this offense if he engages or attempts to engage in sexual battery with a victim who is 11 to 14 years old and the actor is older than the victim. Also, one is guilty of this offense if the victim is 14 to 16 years of age and the actor is in a position of familial, custodial, or official authority to coerce the victim to submit, or is older than the victim. [§§16-3-655(3) and 16-3-656].
 So it sounds like he creepily pushed himself someone, maybe a woman who was handicapped or even worked for him, but not a child?



It could have been pled down to third degree, in order to avoid a trial, though.
 
2013-08-02 06:49:00 PM  
Since their claiming the Neighborhood Watch is just another form of Hunting License -- maybe these guys need to eat what they kill.
 
2013-08-02 06:52:35 PM  

Tymast: Lsherm: Sex offender registries have always struck me as a necessary evil to protect the public, but this has me leaning further into the "bad idea" camp.  Say you're one of the rehabilitated ones, or you were never a true sex offender in the first place.  Should the state be providing a kill list with your name on it to psychopaths?

There should be refinements to what gets you on such a list, peeing in the bushes can land you there among the kiddie diddlers and rapists.


Your thought being that it's A-OK to exact vigilante justice on a kiddie diddler or rapist if you feel like it, and society should let you go, so long as you don't accidentally off some innocent dude who peed in the bushes?
 
2013-08-02 06:55:33 PM  
 
2013-08-02 06:59:16 PM  
In the book, Moody writes, "The only cure for child abusers and molesters is to have every member of their immediate family killed. These nefarious crimes and people should not be allowed to procreate. By destroying their immediate family members, you purify the bloodline."
 
2013-08-02 07:00:56 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Tymast: Lsherm: Sex offender registries have always struck me as a necessary evil to protect the public, but this has me leaning further into the "bad idea" camp.  Say you're one of the rehabilitated ones, or you were never a true sex offender in the first place.  Should the state be providing a kill list with your name on it to psychopaths?

There should be refinements to what gets you on such a list, peeing in the bushes can land you there among the kiddie diddlers and rapists.

Your thought being that it's A-OK to exact vigilante justice on a kiddie diddler or rapist if you feel like it, and society should let you go, so long as you don't accidentally off some innocent dude who peed in the bushes?


Doesn't sound like he said that dude.  Sounds like he wants to add another column to the listing, including the actual offense.  He didn't even remotely state anything about vigilante justice being excused.  I'd agree with him, with another change being that the time on the offender list has to be listed in your sentence, and after that you are removed from the list permanently.  For example, you go to jail for 10 years, they sentence you to another 5 after you get out on the list, then you are off the list forever after that unless you commit another crime.  That way the people who wanna scream about them relapsing have a window where they are watched like a hawk, but people have a chance to actually have a life after getting out eventually.
 
2013-08-02 07:01:40 PM  
 
2013-08-02 07:04:30 PM  
Nothing of value lost.
 
2013-08-02 07:18:49 PM  
One of my primary rules is this: Never interact with a man who has tattoos on his neck and/or face.

I've only met one such man who didn't fit the general mold for facial tattoos, but he was a law student who was changing careers after spending the first part of his life as a circus performer.

Otherwise, if the dude's got words stamped on his neck or face, you'd probably be wise to steer clear.
 
2013-08-02 07:19:34 PM  

hardinparamedic: Nothing of value lost.





Seems to me the world is a better place.


xellas84: I've always been of the mindset that this kind of 'public shaming list' idea is bad on multiple levels.

Beyond just enabling vigilante justice like this lunatic performed, the list also completely invalidates the point of the judicial system.  Isn't the system, at it's basic level, supposed to be 'We prove you are guilty, then you serve the sentence we decide, after that you have paid your debt for your actions and are free to go"?  After you've done your time, shouldn't it be over?  But lists like this, you don't get taken off.  Ever.  You are on that sex offender list forever, meaning your sentence is never truly done.  It basically turns a 10 year sentence into a lifetime sentence, which is wrong.



I'm watching you.
 
2013-08-02 07:29:07 PM  

Mr.Hawk: hardinparamedic: Nothing of value lost.

Seems to me the world is a better place.


You're both wrong.  Here was a guy who hadn't committed in over twenty years, living happily with his wife, who wasn't even an offender.  Yes, something of value was lost, and the world is far from a better place because of this piece of shiat.
 
2013-08-02 07:39:45 PM  

Glendale: Well, first we need to clarify what "sexual battery" is defined as.


Either something that clamps on to nipples or this:
lh4.ggpht.com
 
2013-08-02 07:41:54 PM  

haolegirl: Nasty little ankle-biters!


Again with the chihuahua hate.

Let me tell you a little bit about chihuahuas, size has nothing to do with it. Chihuahuas are generally sweet, loving, affectionate dogs. But like any dog, they can be dangerous.

You may think that your in no danger from that chihuahua in front of you. I mean look at her, so tiny, so cute. You may think she's harmlessly yapping away; that she's so small that she barely even sees you. But no, not chihuahua. You stare at her and she just stares right back. And that's when the attack comes. Not from the front, but from the side.

From the other two chihuahuas you didn't even know were there. Because chihuahuas are pack hunters. They use coordinated attack patterns and they out in force today. Hiding beneath the blankets and behind the sofa, waiting for you to lower your guard.

And she slashes at you with this: tiny, razor sharp teeth, honed on Milk Bone Miniatures and kibble. She doesn't bother to bite your jugular like a lion, say... no, no. She takes your ankles, across your achilles tendon, bringing you down to their level. And once you're there, you stay there. If you're lucky, they'll lose interest and just lick you.

...If your lucky.

So, you know, try to show a little respect.
 
2013-08-02 07:43:56 PM  
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2013-08-02 07:46:29 PM  
Red state.
 
2013-08-02 07:47:05 PM  

Pr1nc3ss: Vigilante justice is bad. I hope this guy gets punished.

If the victim was a legitimate sex offender, karma caught up to him


Because, you know, the "karma" that is the conviction and jail time wasn't enough?

And "karma" will soon catch up with the stains that killed him.

and his wife is guilty by association.

I'm not even gonna ask what logic you worked with there. Just gonna hope you experience your brand of "karma" some day and we all get to comment on it in a Fark thread.

/and by comment, I mean point and laugh
 
2013-08-02 07:51:10 PM  
My unease with neck tattoos is again reaffirmed.   Go ahead and arrest them all, can't be trusted.  Add clowns too if you are bored.
 
2013-08-02 07:52:11 PM  

trappedspirit: Moody has "skinhead" tattooed across his neck

You shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.  But you can read the title and glean some meaning.


Especially if its written in ALL CAPS.
 
2013-08-02 07:53:55 PM  

midigod: Mr.Hawk: hardinparamedic: Nothing of value lost.

Seems to me the world is a better place.

You're both wrong.  Here was a guy who hadn't committed in over twenty years, living happily with his wife, who wasn't even an offender.  Yes, something of value was lost, and the world is far from a better place because of this piece of shiat.


Go Penn State!!!
 
2013-08-02 07:54:22 PM  

midigod: Mr.Hawk: hardinparamedic: Nothing of value lost.

Seems to me the world is a better place.

You're both wrong.  Here was a guy who hadn't committed in over twenty years, living happily with his wife, who wasn't even an offender.  Yes, something of value was lost, and the world is far from a better place because of this piece of shiat.


Agree to disagree. The dead guy had 2 separate sexual assault  convictions, plus drug charges for he and his wife. That is all they got caught doing... Bad guy is gone and crazy nutter nazi and wife go to jail for life. Sounds win win to me.

Maybe not so much for the dead wife, but she knew who she was with, and who knows what she was up to...
 
2013-08-02 07:54:52 PM  

waffle299: haolegirl: Nasty little ankle-biters!

Again with the chihuahua hate.

Let me tell you a little bit about chihuahuas, size has nothing to do with it. Chihuahuas are generally sweet, loving, affectionate dogs. But like any dog, they can be dangerous.

You may think that your in no danger from that chihuahua in front of you. I mean look at her, so tiny, so cute. You may think she's harmlessly yapping away; that she's so small that she barely even sees you. But no, not chihuahua. You stare at her and she just stares right back. And that's when the attack comes. Not from the front, but from the side.

From the other two chihuahuas you didn't even know were there. Because chihuahuas are pack hunters. They use coordinated attack patterns and they out in force today. Hiding beneath the blankets and behind the sofa, waiting for you to lower your guard.

And she slashes at you with this: tiny, razor sharp teeth, honed on Milk Bone Miniatures and kibble. She doesn't bother to bite your jugular like a lion, say... no, no. She takes your ankles, across your achilles tendon, bringing you down to their level. And once you're there, you stay there. If you're lucky, they'll lose interest and just lick you.

...If your lucky.

So, you know, try to show a little respect.


This
 
2013-08-02 07:59:12 PM  
First of all let me continue the Chihuahua love. My guy Monkey is the most loyal dog I've ever had.
As for the humans in the story- this is a perfect example of why killers need agents. OK so you want to go out in a flashy way with lots of attention. Great we can work with that, but for the love of god, choose better targets. Let's skip the kindergarten classes and find a group everyone can agree to hate. Skip the third degree sexual offender and find a real bonafide kid killer. Prioritize and win the hearts of the viewing public.
 
2013-08-02 08:08:02 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Pr1nc3ss: Vigilante justice is bad. I hope this guy gets punished.

If the victim was a legitimate sex offender, karma caught up to him

Because, you know, the "karma" that is the conviction and jail time wasn't enough?

And "karma" will soon catch up with the stains that killed him.

and his wife is guilty by association.

I'm not even gonna ask what logic you worked with there. Just gonna hope you experience your brand of "karma" some day and we all get to comment on it in a Fark thread.

/and by comment, I mean point and laugh


Dude, if you want to white knight a sex offender so be it. I'm not saying the guy who did it was in the right by any means. I know not all sex offenders are rapists and pedophiles. If he was a a bad one, fark 'em, one less a$$hole in this world. If not, well then it's a crappy situation, isn't it?
 
2013-08-02 08:12:36 PM  
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-02 08:27:18 PM  

BuckTurgidson: The neighborhood watchman in question:


i.i.cbsi.com 

/He was standing his ground against pedophilia.

Huh, I wonder if that guy was associated with the Peckerwoods.
 
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