You know, I reckon if people looked hard enough, they could find some old depleted uranium too.

Honestly NavyBlues, your sweeping generalizations remind me of Goebbels, are you always such an anti-semitic moron? You do great repeating the dogma of the hate radio hosts.

/Apologies in advance, I read your bio and couldn't resist.

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Long Lost Twin
We know the communications infrastructure in Iraq was hurt badly early in the war. Maybe the soldiers in control had a brain and ran for it. I wasn't making a specific anology with O.J. I'm simply pointing out it does not require extreme evidence to know someone is guilty.

Out of curiosity, am I the only person anticipating a followup that finds they weren't actually what they thought they were?

Kinda like the other 10 times it happened.

pkjun

Are you admitting that the reason Clinton was not able to effectively go after the terrorists was that the right wing made him spend all his time defending himself against a sexual infidelity rather than do his job effectively and stop terrorists?

1. The reason Clinton was not able to effectively go after the terrorists was because he was passing the buck and spending more money going after Gates than Bin Shiathead.

2. He wasn't defending himself against charge of sexual infidelity. It was a charge of PERJURY and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE of a civil proceeding. If he had TOLD THE TRUTH - NOBODY WOULD HAVE CARED.

MorticianBaby

Probably because these were forgotten relics untouched for 10 years. I doubt they're even in condition to be fired any more.

And as I recall, we allowed inspectors for what...a few weeks? It took us 9 months to accidentially stumble across a few old buried worthless relics.

2004-01-10 05:29:51 PM B.P.

with France a very close second, they sold them their nuclear technology.

Funny, who were the ones adamant against the war..

flame on.

"hardest things the army is having problems with is Iraqi police and such who don't yet understand the idea of civil liberties"

Does anyone really think that democracy can immediately take root in a culture of slaves?

Iraq, just like Russia, has to wait at least 40 years for a free born generation to take over. It is easier to make free men slaves than slaves into free men. I don't think America can afford this education and the UN is useless since it is made up of mostly non-free nations.

This is probably why we spent so much time in Germany and Japan after WWII.

My guess is that both Russia and Iraq will fall into the hands of tyrants.

pkjun

Oh boy! A few 10-year-old, buried-and-forgotten chemical rounds left over from the period in which he actually DID have them! Surely he was an imminent threat!

How does this prove he wasn't an imminent threat? I'm not saying it does prove he was an imminent threat, but it does not come anywhere close to proving he was not an imminent threat. You: See!!!!!!They found weapons that are 10 years old so there is no way that iraq could currently have any more!!!!!I like to turn everything around so I always sound right and GWB is always wrong!!!!I am a tool!!!!!

Honestly NavyBlues, your sweeping generalizations remind me of Goebbels, are you always such an anti-semitic moron? You do great repeating the dogma of the hate radio hosts.

I'm Jewish asshat. Unless that was poorly executed irony.

almost called Godwins law.

Jopy

Although you are right about Bush having control of the oil in Iraq, would you please show me where the profits from the oil are going? Last I heard they were going to help rebuild the country, unlike most liberals' opinons on the money going in Bush's pockets.

And as I recall, we allowed inspectors for what...a few weeks?

Inspectors were in the country from 91 until 98. That's seven solid years to find these mortars, and they failed.

pkjun
If he was such a smart guy why didn't he give us a precise location where they destroyed unaccounted for weapons? We could have found traces on walls, clothing, vehicles, and soil. Then he might have evaded the invasion.

pkjun:

i'll go ahead and clarify that i'm no apologizer for a person like saddam hussein, but i have to take issue with what you stated about the first gulf war. iraq was, as it has been for a long time, destitute because of its leader and the subsequent embargoes. kuwait did legitimately owe iraq somewhere in the area of 5 billion (not sure about that figure) u.s. dollars and was refusing to pay it back (who's gonna support iraq's claim?). so saddam wasn't exactly trying to corner the market, which ruling kuwait wouldn't have done anyway.

when bush sr. was head of the cia he was giving arms to saddam. this type of foreign policy (the meddling one that also helped raise mr. osama bin laden) has to end. we muddy up someone else's pond and then blame them for not cleaning it. it's dumb.

lovehate

I wasn't making a specific anology with O.J. I'm simply pointing out it does not require extreme evidence to know someone is guilty.

The problem is if you can't go to war with a country if you can't back up your claims. It's a very different thing to go to trial than it is to commit thousands of American troops to fight for suspicions that aren't confirmed.

SRFireside, Farfisa Fark

I'm assuming that they actually did find blister gases in the mortar rounds (if not, I apologize in advance).

So what if they emptied the contents of those rounds out and smuggled it into a European or American city and let it loose? Or, failing that, take them and crack them open at a sporting event or large gathering? Yeah, they might not be a huge threat inside the mortars, but the contents they extract could still do a crapload of damage

NavyBlues

1. Wait a minute. I recall him launching missiles in Afghanistan. That was something...oh...wait a minute...he had to stop. Why was that? Oh! Of course! The Republican-controlled congress made him stop! Because it was...now get this...too heavy-handed. A ha ha ha. And how much time did Bush spend going after terrorism before 9/11? Oh, right, he cut funding from Clinton's already-weak anti-terrorist program to finance his missile shield. Which was such a good investment, you know.

2. Perjury and obstruction of justice...about sexual infidelity. Oh boy. That'll destroy the nation! Who knows what'll happen if presidents have sex with people other than their wives and don't tell anyone! Oh, right...the same thing that's happened the last 200 years...nothing.

ouch,

word.

Just wait till they find the nasty bruise bombs.

NavyBlues, I suspect I disagree with most of your arguments, but I was just kidding (that's why the apologies in advance). Your bio reads like a howto guide for annoying you.

/I am weak and don't mind shooting fish in a barrel

my_morning_jacket

i'll go ahead and clarify that i'm no apologizer for a person like saddam hussein, but

Why do so many liberal/progressive arguments say that?

my_morning_jacket

Wake up. He had Iraq, Kuwait, and the world's fourth largest army along the Saudi Arabian border. No...I detect no plans...

JPFlathead

NavyBlues, I suspect I disagree with most of your arguments, but I was just kidding (that's why the apologies in advance). Your bio reads like a howto guide for annoying you.

(shrugs) Well done then.

MorticianBaby:

read up on how well-funded and staffed the inspections team were (hint: they weren't). the only times there were serious sweeps was when the spotlight was on iraq, which was every few months. don't forget iraq is pretty enormous and for a small team to find something buried in the middle of nowhere is asking a bit much. however, something large, such as a weapons factory, would be a bit harder to cover up. that's where the containment worked. inspection worked.

Jopy, your known facts are actually partisan guesses.

Lenny_da_Hog, the Iraqi regime had plenty of money. The billions Iraq made from oil for food wasn't used for the well being of the Iraqi people.

If it took this long to find chemical weapons that were forgoten about, how long would it take to find WMDs that are deliberatly hidden?

my_morning_jacket

i'll go ahead and clarify that i'm no apologizer for a person like saddam hussein, but

Why do so many liberal/progressive arguments say that?

I agree, it's like saying 'I don't like to diddle babies, *but*...'

NavyBlues

Probably because if they don't, you'll call him a saddam apologist.

So I guess if Clinton wasn't busy getting his dong slurped by Lewinsky, he would have had time to get Osama?

my_morning_jacket:
the uninformed opinion is the pro-war opinion, they are one and the same.

And the anti-war opinion is the narcissistic and elitist opinion; they are one and the same. Asshat.

Perjury and obstruction of justice...about sexual infidelity. Oh boy. That'll destroy the nation! Who knows what'll happen if presidents have sex with people other than their wives and don't tell anyone! Oh, right...the same thing that's happened the last 200 years...nothing.

Warmongering and hyping the reasons. Oh boy, that'll destroy the nation. Who knows what'll happen if presidents have war and hype their case. Oh right.. the same thing that's happened for the last 200 years... nothing.

NavyBlues:

because conservatives are quick to call a liberal a saddam sympathizer. be reasonable, i mean come on, you actually think deep down, i hate to admit but... i... oh god i really like him. he's so great. i can't deny it any longer it was just welling up inside of me for so long.

get real

And as I recall, we allowed inspectors for what...a few weeks?

Wow, and I thought that I always forgot to research before I post...

i'll go ahead and clarify that i'm no apologizer for a person like saddam hussein, but

Why do so many liberal/progressive arguments say that?

Because if you don't state it right from the get-go, you get rightwing warhawks alleging that you support terror and/or Hussein if you didn't buy into Bush's pro-war propaganda.

But you already knew that. Was that a rhetorical question?

the united states, britain, australia and canada are the hands of israel..

they have ruled the world since the beginning

Tuvix

Well, considering Bush and Rummy said they knew exactly where they were...

Juansmith:

since you went ahead and called me a name for no reason, i'll call you a grammar nazi. you forgot to point out that i don't use capitalization.

Seven solid years to find these mortars....well, shucks. What a failure that they overlooked what was basically thrown away, especially considering that their main mission was to locate production plants. You know, the factories where they were making all those tons of biological agents that we were so sure he had. So sure as to invade on that pretense. But now that the Danes have found a few antiques we can all breathe easier, knowing that the danger has been averted.

Don't mind me, though, I'm obviously a Saddam apologist.

ten_of_spades

Now you making blind assumptions on what happened to the gas, assuming it's found to be missing. I don't recall any reports of gas bomb attacks over the past ten years that were linked to Iraq so where did it go? They don't even know exactly what kind of gas it is yet other than being a skin irritant. Considering the age of the containers even IF the stuff was carted away for use elsewhere the potency would be in serious question. This is a very, very, VERY small find that substantiates absolutely nothing in regards to WMD or even terrorist support.

2004-01-10 05:38:59 PM Okei
the united states, britain, australia and canada are the hands of israel..
they have ruled the world since the beginning

Is my tinfoil hat on straight?

inspection worked.

read up on how well-funded and staffed the inspections team were (hint: they weren't). the only times there were serious sweeps was when the spotlight was on iraq, which was every few months. don't forget iraq is pretty enormous and for a small team to find something buried in the middle of nowhere is asking a bit much.

HUH?

So, they worked, but they didn't...

And why didn't they "work" in finding these mortars?

pkjun

1. Wait a minute. I recall him launching missiles in Afghanistan. That was something...oh...wait a minute...he had to stop. Why was that? Oh! Of course! The Republican-controlled congress made him stop! Because it was...now get this...too heavy-handed.

2. Perjury and obstruction of justice...about sexual infidelity. Oh boy. That'll destroy the nation! Who knows what'll happen if presidents have sex with people other than their wives and don't tell anyone! Oh, right...the same thing that's happened the last 200 years...nothing.

Yeah, using a 2 Million dollar Tomahawk to blow up a tent is wicked smart. It wasn't the goals, it was the method that also perpetuated the idea that Americans can't take casualties that was established in Somalia, Haiti, and FRY.

Perjury and Obstruction of Justice is Perjury and Obstruction of Justice. That it was because of infidelity does not excuse it. He could have just said NONE OF YOUR BuSInESS but he CHOSE to LIE.

What they actually found was putty with wires sticking out of it.

MorticianBaby

What Clinton's blowjob cost the nation...5 minutes of the President's time.

What Bush's war cost the nation...180 billion dollars when we're already running a deficit and 500 American lives.

No difference.

I'm simply pointing out it does not require extreme evidence to know someone is guilty.

agreed, lovehate. All i'd like to see is just a little evidence. just a tiny bit of WMD. just something newer than ones that have been buried for 10 years.

from the article: On Thursday, a 400-strong team of weapons disposal experts was withdrawn from Iraq but US administration officials insisted their job had been completed.

so what was their job supposed to be? to prove there was no WMD?

This stuff added with GWB's wanting to give illegal aliens US citizenship really has me leaning to voting independent this year.