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(New York Magazine)   Put an anti-Romney sign in your front yard? That's 18 months in a MegaCorp profit camp, citizen   (nymag.com ) divider line
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2013-08-02 01:48:51 PM  
He violated local ordinances, subby.
 
2013-08-02 01:53:18 PM  
Attention whores sure can be confusing sometimes.  This guy's kind of all over the typical map.
 
2013-08-02 01:55:26 PM  
That's gotta be one of the stupidest reasons to go back to jail ever. What is he protesting? That the GOP made an extremely stupid choice in their candidate? Is he going to keep protesting that for the rest of his life?
 
2013-08-02 01:56:05 PM  
That it's a neon sign in a residential neighborhood seems a likely relevant detail.

Freedom of speech is considered to be bounded by reasonable restrictions on time, place, and manner. Which essentially means, he needs to deal with the permits to avoid jail time.
 
2013-08-02 01:59:05 PM  
Hecould have put up a neon "Romney is the bestest guy ever and Obama is a sekrit muslin" sign and this would still be an issue.
 
2013-08-02 01:59:55 PM  
Well........he's stupid.
 
2013-08-02 02:17:26 PM  
I'm hate Romney but I would be particularly pleased with tackiest display in world being right next to my property.  Also, Romney lost, so get over it.
 
2013-08-02 02:21:03 PM  
I wonder if he even TRIED to get a variance/permit for the sign... it would be one thing if he at least tried and was denied.

=Smidge=
 
2013-08-02 02:21:30 PM  
It's really impressive that he went the extra mile and had a custom made neon sign.  That's really putting some commitment into it.  I make this comparison to this not out of politics, but in regards to craftsmanship.

paulboylan.files.wordpress.com

Mr. Crazy Romney Hater has shown us the merits of not doing things halfass and making a real effort.
 
2013-08-02 02:22:02 PM  
It's not the anti-Romney sign.  It could easily say that Mitt Romney is the smartest, kindest and most capable man on God's green earth, and he would still have been in trouble.
 
2013-08-02 02:22:24 PM  
This guy may need more than a sign because I'm still not sure what he's protesting and going to jail over.... I mean, if you're going to go to jail over a particular position you should at least make sure other people understand your position.
 
2013-08-02 02:22:54 PM  
He's an old white Republican. He liked all the black cock he was getting in jail and wants to return to his happy place.
 
2013-08-02 02:22:55 PM  

Diogenes: Hecould have put up a neon "Romney is the bestest guy ever and Obama is a sekrit muslin" sign and this would still be an issue.


He could have put up a neon "This is a sign" sign and this would still be an issue.

He could have put up a neon "I love Jesus" sign and this would still be... eh, he'd probably get away with that till the ACLU stepped in. But, he'd never be fined or jailed.
 
2013-08-02 02:23:20 PM  
Put an 10 foot tall neonanti-Romney sign in your front yard?

A few relevant details there subby...
 
2013-08-02 02:23:26 PM  
Props to him for sticking to his convictions, but he is a total AW.
 
2013-08-02 02:23:49 PM  
No sir, he does not seem crazy at all
 
2013-08-02 02:24:23 PM  
Wait, he is a Republican but is concerned because Mormons are supposedly racists?
 
2013-08-02 02:24:27 PM  
If it were an anti-Obama sign, he'd have already replaced. Boehner.
 
2013-08-02 02:25:37 PM  

MSFT: This guy may need more than a sign because I'm still not sure what he's protesting and going to jail over.... I mean, if you're going to go to jail over a particular position you should at least make sure other people understand your position.


He hates Mormons because they kinda think black people are sorta wicked and inferior and are black because they turned away from god... though they don't say it outright so much any more.

How much clearer does he have to make it?
 
2013-08-02 02:26:20 PM  
Rapmaster2000:
Mr. Crazy Romney Hater has shown us the merits of not doing things halfass and making a real effort.

In all fairness it is a nice sign. Not at all half assed like they guy who hangs the swastika flag between his U.S. flag and MARINE CORE SOLDIER flag for some still unfathomable reason. So kudos on putting your money where your crazy is, good sir!
 
2013-08-02 02:26:21 PM  
Holy hell, his front yard looks horrendous.  For all those who complain about the busybodies in their neighborhood associations, imagine having to live next to that.  God damn, show some care for your neighbors, ass.
 
2013-08-02 02:26:22 PM  
It's all just a ruse to talk to people, he's just a lonely old guy.
 
2013-08-02 02:26:42 PM  

Vangor: Wait, he is a Republican but is concerned because Mormons are supposedly racists?


or "not christian" *wink*
 
2013-08-02 02:27:39 PM  
OK, I'm all for free speech, but putting up a giant neon sign in a residential neighborhood is just being a nuisance.
 
2013-08-02 02:28:17 PM  

themindiswatching: He violated local ordinances, subby.


No shiat. I'm no fan of Romney, but, damn. That's not a "sign" - that's an edifice to insanity, an altar built by a crazy Republican determined to counter the obvious Mormon conspiracy.

He doesn't need to be fined - he needs to be psychologically evaluated.
 
2013-08-02 02:28:45 PM  

technicolor-misfit: MSFT: This guy may need more than a sign because I'm still not sure what he's protesting and going to jail over.... I mean, if you're going to go to jail over a particular position you should at least make sure other people understand your position.

He hates Mormons because they kinda think black people are sorta wicked and inferior and are black because they turned away from god... though they don't say it outright so much any more.

How much clearer does he have to make it?


But... didn't Romney lose the election? I mean, he's gone now, so what does this guy want, exactly? What needs to happen to "restore the GOP" at this point?

Crap, now I'm in the rabbit hole.
 
2013-08-02 02:30:04 PM  
Is there some rule that says people crazy enough to build giant signs like this can't have the slightest sense of design aesthetic?
 
2013-08-02 02:31:31 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I make this comparison to this not out of politics, but in regards to craftsmanship.


Half-breed muslin is made with cotton *and* linen, right?
 
2013-08-02 02:32:00 PM  

scottydoesntknow: That's gotta be one of the stupidest reasons to go back to jail ever. What is he protesting? That the GOP made an extremely stupid choice in their candidate? Is he going to keep protesting that for the rest of his life?


Yeah, it's an odd choice.  I understand the sentiment, but Romney lost.  He's protesting a decision by subjecting his neighbors, who even if Romney voters are mathematically effectively not responsible for his nomination, to a garish and unpleasant looking sign.  Is he turning it off at night?  Do the lights go through anyone's bedroom window?

I guess good for him for sticking to his convictions in the face of Johnny Law, I guess.  But the people responsible for Romney don't care, and the people dealing with the protest can't do anything about it, and Romney will never be nominated again.  What is a 'win' in his mind, and when is it okay by his ideals to turn off the sign (realistically)?
 
2013-08-02 02:32:24 PM  
I much prefer when right-wing nutjobs break the law by taking the 1st Amendment too far rather than the 2nd.  A nice change of pace.
 
2013-08-02 02:33:10 PM  

themindiswatching: He violated local ordinances, subby.


Because local ordinances trump first amendment protections, right?

Seriously...
 
2013-08-02 02:33:26 PM  

Vangor: Wait, he is a Republican but is concerned because Mormons are supposedly racists?


Mormons don't typically rape everything in sight.  That makes him a terrible person to the rapeublicans.
 
2013-08-02 02:35:04 PM  
That does it. I'm turning on my combination anti-Romney sign/trans-galactic, full EMS, nuclear pulsed, alien hailing beacon.

I'm going to have the winningest tan. Too bad me and my neighbors will be too blind to see it.
 
2013-08-02 02:35:09 PM  

theorellior: Rapmaster2000: I make this comparison to this not out of politics, but in regards to craftsmanship.

Half-breed muslin is made with cotton *and* linen, right?


And therefore abomination, according to Leviticus.
 
2013-08-02 02:35:59 PM  

RyogaM: Holy hell, his front yard looks horrendous.  For all those who complain about the busybodies in their neighborhood associations, imagine having to live next to that.  God damn, show some care for your neighbors, ass.


He believes in the covenant, just not the kind you have with your neighbors.
CHECKMATE ATHIESTS
 
2013-08-02 02:36:06 PM  
He lost. The guy should be happy. Me thinks someone is AWing a bit for no real good reason

/the only good reason for AWing is boobies
 
2013-08-02 02:40:17 PM  
A guy in our town had one of those huge Christmas displays you can see from space.  The city told him at the beginning of December it would be a $1000 a night fine as long as he was running.  He immediately pulled out his checkbook and wrote them a check for $30,000.
 
2013-08-02 02:40:40 PM  

bk3k: Because local ordinances trump first amendment protections, right?


Yes, quite often. Learn the phrase "time, place or manner"; it's only Con Law 101. This is not remotely close to a First Amendment issue.
 
2013-08-02 02:42:26 PM  
From a linked article:

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2013-08-02 02:44:19 PM  

Diogenes: Hecould have put up a neon "Romney is the bestest guy ever and Obama is a sekrit muslin" sign and this would still be an issue.


Worse, even.  If you think the regular police are tough, the spelling police are brutal.
 
2013-08-02 02:44:34 PM  

bk3k: themindiswatching: He violated local ordinances, subby.

Because local ordinances trump first amendment protections, right?

Seriously...


He put a gigantic neon metal construction in his yard.  What's on the sign is irrelevant, moron.
 
2013-08-02 02:45:44 PM  

kronicfeld: bk3k: Because local ordinances trump first amendment protections, right?

Yes, quite often. Learn the phrase "time, place or manner"; it's only Con Law 101. This is not remotely close to a First Amendment issue.


I was looking for some case law on this subject, would you mind pointing me to some? I'm genuinely curious how this works/ what the boundaries are and I haven't had the opportunity to take con law 101.
 
2013-08-02 02:46:00 PM  

Sargun: bk3k: themindiswatching: He violated local ordinances, subby.

Because local ordinances trump first amendment protections, right?

Seriously...

He put a gigantic neon metal construction in his yard.  What's on the sign is irrelevant, moron Moran.


/pet peeve
 
2013-08-02 02:47:40 PM  

Piizzadude: Sargun: bk3k: themindiswatching: He violated local ordinances, subby.

Because local ordinances trump first amendment protections, right?

Seriously...

He put a gigantic neon metal construction in his yard.  What's on the sign is irrelevant, moron Moran.

/pet peeve


Sorry, been hitting the vodak a little hard
 
2013-08-02 02:48:39 PM  

bk3k: Because local ordinances trump first amendment protections, right?


No, but there are certain reasonable restrictions on right to speech, and local ordinances help to define these. Should local ordinances overstep the bounds of "reasonable", people are allowed to fight this, which is how our legal system works. Now, the interesting thing to note is he is not being asked to remove the sign, simply to not turn this back on. Obviously, the light is the issue, rather than the message since the message is still somewhat visible or could be replaced with a painted sign.
 
2013-08-02 02:50:00 PM  
He needs to put an anti-Saddam sign up too.

You gotta stay current on your anger.
 
2013-08-02 02:52:28 PM  
I love these threads. There's always the guy who is like "yeah, but he violated the law."

Yup.  that's all we need to defend this.  No sense in diving into whether it makes sense to prosecute and throw someone in jail for something like this for 18 months.  Our prison system is all sorts of farked up, and a big reason that prison reform isn't happening is because people are willing to dismiss any concerns with "well, prisoners broke the law, so fark 'em."
 
2013-08-02 02:53:20 PM  

MSFT: I was looking for some case law on this subject, would you mind pointing me to some? I'm genuinely curious how this works/ what the boundaries are and I haven't had the opportunity to take con law 101.


http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Time,+Place,+and+Manne r+ Restrictions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States# Ti me.2C_place.2C_or_manner_restrictions

Also incidental restrictions on fundamental rights:

http://www.questia.com/library/1G1-17784802/incidental-restrictions- of -speech-and-the-first-amendment
 
2013-08-02 02:53:45 PM  

Sargun: Piizzadude: Sargun: bk3k: themindiswatching: He violated local ordinances, subby.

Because local ordinances trump first amendment protections, right?

Seriously...

He put a gigantic neon metal construction in his yard.  What's on the sign is irrelevant, moron Moran.

/pet peeve

Sorry, been hitting the vodak a little hard


lol--I will be too in a few hours...
 
2013-08-02 02:54:27 PM  

kronicfeld: MSFT: I was looking for some case law on this subject, would you mind pointing me to some? I'm genuinely curious how this works/ what the boundaries are and I haven't had the opportunity to take con law 101.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Time,+Place,+and+Manne r+ Restrictions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States# Ti me.2C_place.2C_or_manner_restrictions

Also incidental restrictions on fundamental rights:

http://www.questia.com/library/1G1-17784802/incidental-restrictions- of -speech-and-the-first-amendment


Muchas tacos, mi amigo enchilada!
 
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