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(NBC News)   Fake Blackberries seized in U.S.-China raids. Customs agents immediately knew they were counterfeit since no one would actually pay for a real Blackberry   (nbcnews.com) divider line 33
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2013-08-02 08:52:58 AM
If you put them in the blender first and puree they can make a good addition to a smoothie.
 
2013-08-02 09:07:34 AM
Why is the state spending tax dollars to fight against the copying of a private company's product?
 
2013-08-02 09:12:47 AM

lewismarktwo: If you put them in the blender first and puree they can make a good addition to a smoothie.


It took me a few seconds there to figure out they weren't talking about actual blackberries.

Not a good sign when I am in the IT department at work.
 
2013-08-02 09:21:35 AM

MugzyBrown: Why is the state spending tax dollars to fight against the copying of a private company's product?


Because it costs the state revenue.  They make a lot more on import duties and sales tax from a legitimate $500 phone verses a $50 fake phone.
 
2013-08-02 09:25:02 AM

MugzyBrown: Why is the state spending tax dollars to fight against the copying of a private company's product?


The right to property is the basis of civilized society.  Why should the state fight against me breaking into your private home and stealing your privately-owned television?
 
2013-08-02 10:15:00 AM

Shaggy_C: MugzyBrown: Why is the state spending tax dollars to fight against the copying of a private company's product?

The right to property is the basis of civilized society.  Why should the state fight against me breaking into your private home and stealing your privately-owned television?


That's not really a good comparison.

Should the police burn down your house because you're building one that looks like mine?
 
2013-08-02 10:22:10 AM

limeyfellow: lewismarktwo: If you put them in the blender first and puree they can make a good addition to a smoothie.

It took me a few seconds there to figure out they weren't talking about actual blackberries.

Not a good sign when I am in the IT department at work.


Sounds like they need someone in there who is plugged into tech culture.
 
2013-08-02 10:24:31 AM
FTA:  While the operation resulted in only one arrest, U.S. officials said they see it as a sign that the Beijing government is finally acting on their complaints of Chinese theft of intellectual property.

Read "...someone didn't bribe the right person with the right amount on the Beijing side." China's going to engage in IP theft for as long as they can, because capitalism in its most unethical form has run amok in China.
 
2013-08-02 10:27:19 AM
FTA:  The single arrest was that of an American who imported counterfeit Dr Dre headphones and sold them on Craigslist. He was arrested in the New Orleans area after Chinese customs passed on a tip to U.S. officials.

See? China didn't arrest anyone on their side - sure, their folks made the counterfeit items, and sure, their folks exported the counterfeit items, but the person tossed to the wolves was a two-bit importer on the U.S. side, who clearly didn't bribe the right folks. An actual token arrest. No one of import was actually arrested, and the article jumps to a conclusion not really vetted by the facts.
 
2013-08-02 10:30:22 AM
Blackberry milkshake in Shenandoah National Park: $5.00.
No joke.
 
2013-08-02 10:32:57 AM
These "Nobody uses BlackBerry" threads are funny because they show just how convinced most Americans are that they're the only country in the world. Travel a bit and you'll see BlackBerry is still quite popular outside the US.
 
2013-08-02 10:33:31 AM
This is what you get when you allow manufacturing in a Third World hellhole known for this stuff.
 
2013-08-02 10:33:55 AM

MugzyBrown: Shaggy_C: MugzyBrown: Why is the state spending tax dollars to fight against the copying of a private company's product?

The right to property is the basis of civilized society.  Why should the state fight against me breaking into your private home and stealing your privately-owned television?

That's not really a good comparison.

Should the police burn down your house because you're building one that looks like mine?


Intellectual property is a valid and important concept.  Why would anyone go to the work of developing a new device or work of art if they knew that IP thieves would take away their ability to recoup that investment?
 
2013-08-02 10:38:11 AM

FrancoFile: Intellectual property is a valid and important concept.  Why would anyone go to the work of developing a new device or work of art if they knew that IP thieves would take away their ability to recoup that investment?


Apparently they don't seem to care given that China's history is full of IP theft.  They're manufacturing the things in the middle of somewhere that gives as much of a fark about IP law as they do towards their workers - not much.
 
2013-08-02 10:40:57 AM

FrancoFile: Intellectual property is a valid and important concept.  Why would anyone go to the work of developing a new device or work of art if they knew that IP thieves would take away their ability to recoup that investment?


How is creating a fake blackberry taking away blackberry's ability to recoup an investment?

Do you think people buying a fake blackberry for $50 from some shady retailer was a real potential customer for a blackberry?

It should be up to blackberry or the consumers to take action against somebody selling a fake blackberry as a real blackberry, not the gov't to actively police.
 
2013-08-02 11:04:36 AM

MugzyBrown: FrancoFile: Intellectual property is a valid and important concept.  Why would anyone go to the work of developing a new device or work of art if they knew that IP thieves would take away their ability to recoup that investment?

How is creating a fake blackberry taking away blackberry's ability to recoup an investment?

Do you think people buying a fake blackberry for $50 from some shady retailer was a real potential customer for a blackberry?

It should be up to blackberry or the consumers to take action against somebody selling a fake blackberry as a real blackberry, not the gov't to actively police.


Corporations (theoretically) pay taxes and are entitled to be protected by the govt also
 
2013-08-02 11:06:38 AM

MugzyBrown: How is creating a fake blackberry taking away RIM's ability to recoup an investment?

Do you think people buying a fake blackberry for $50 from some shady retailer was a real potential customer for a blackberry?


In both cases, RIM is denied the revenues obtained from the sale of a genuine Blackberry device.  Used devices are still a potential source of Blackberries without having to go fake.


It should be up to RIM or the consumers to take action against somebody selling a fake blackberry as a real blackberry, not the gov't to actively police.

So far, that results in lower quality products and people using the "consumer" canard to defend it.
 
2013-08-02 11:21:25 AM
The Blackberry Playbook is awesome, if I could only get it to sync with my Zune...
 
2013-08-02 11:27:40 AM

MugzyBrown: FrancoFile: Intellectual property is a valid and important concept.  Why would anyone go to the work of developing a new device or work of art if they knew that IP thieves would take away their ability to recoup that investment?

How is creating a fake blackberry taking away blackberry's ability to recoup an investment?

Do you think people buying a fake blackberry for $50 from some shady retailer was a real potential customer for a blackberry?

It should be up to blackberry or the consumers to take action against somebody selling a fake blackberry as a real blackberry, not the gov't to actively police.


The Constitution says otherwise.
And are you really willing to go back to the days before Upton Sinclair for food safety?  "The container says whole milk; it's up to the consumer to go after them if it's really bone meal and diluted paint."
 
2013-08-02 12:01:36 PM

EngineerAU: These "Nobody uses BlackBerry" threads are funny because they show just how convinced most Americans are that they're the only country in the world. Travel a bit and you'll see BlackBerry is still quite popular outside the US.


They have a 2% market share as of 2012. The threads are kinda justified since they once dominated the smartphone market like Nokia had the Dumbphone market.

/of course libtards still have the Obamaphone market all wrapped up
//it a joke, calm down
 
2013-08-02 12:03:09 PM

GoldDude: The Blackberry Playbook is awesome, if I could only get it to sync with my Zune...


Put Android on it, that will get it done
 
2013-08-02 12:27:11 PM
Brackbelly
 
2013-08-02 12:29:04 PM

EngineerAU: These "Nobody uses BlackBerry" threads are funny because they show just how convinced most Americans are that they're the only country in the world. Travel a bit and you'll see BlackBerry is still quite popular outside the US.


qft. i travel alot for work and see a lot of blackberries. i came here to post about that.
 
2013-08-02 12:58:00 PM

FrancoFile: MugzyBrown: Shaggy_C: MugzyBrown: Why is the state spending tax dollars to fight against the copying of a private company's product?

The right to property is the basis of civilized society.  Why should the state fight against me breaking into your private home and stealing your privately-owned television?

That's not really a good comparison.

Should the police burn down your house because you're building one that looks like mine?

Intellectual property is a valid and important concept.  Why would anyone go to the work of developing a new device or work of art if they knew that IP thieves would take away their ability to recoup that investment?


That's a bit like asking why someone would buy a more expensive car when a less expensive car does the same thing.  Ultimately IP doesn't really matter (not that you can "own" an idea anyway).
 
2013-08-02 01:09:51 PM

limeyfellow: lewismarktwo: If you put them in the blender first and puree they can make a good addition to a smoothie.

It took me a few seconds there to figure out they weren't talking about actual blackberries.

Not a good sign when I am in the IT department at work.


That's because the article is about BlackBerrys, not blackberries. It's odd that NBC News would get the plural form right (as a proper noun, it keeps the y), but fail to capitalize the second B. Subby failed on both counts.
 
2013-08-02 01:21:04 PM

bingo the psych-o: FrancoFile: MugzyBrown: Shaggy_C: MugzyBrown: Why is the state spending tax dollars to fight against the copying of a private company's product?

The right to property is the basis of civilized society.  Why should the state fight against me breaking into your private home and stealing your privately-owned television?

That's not really a good comparison.

Should the police burn down your house because you're building one that looks like mine?

Intellectual property is a valid and important concept.  Why would anyone go to the work of developing a new device or work of art if they knew that IP thieves would take away their ability to recoup that investment?

That's a bit like asking why someone would buy a more expensive car when a less expensive car does the same thing.  Ultimately IP doesn't really matter (not that you can "own" an idea anyway).


Bank accounts everywhere beg to differ.
 
2013-08-02 01:49:44 PM

limeyfellow: lewismarktwo: If you put them in the blender first and puree they can make a good addition to a smoothie.

It took me a few seconds there to figure out they weren't talking about actual blackberries.

Not a good sign when I am in the IT department at work.


Same here. Thoughts turned to 'Now wtf are they putting in food over there?'
 
2013-08-02 08:31:30 PM

MugzyBrown: Why is the state spending tax dollars to fight against the copying of a private company's product?


Umm, there was a corporate coup and the corporations won? I remember right after 9/11, DHS was at every trade show I attended, pimping their newfound authority over intellectual property. The Government exists to serve global corporations, not the people.
 
2013-08-02 09:08:07 PM
Fake Blackberries are bad enough, but what really gets my goat is fake blueberries.

Mother Goose: Who ate my blueberry muffins?
Grimm: Muffins? I thought they were Smurfs.
 
2013-08-03 01:51:48 AM

MugzyBrown: Why is the state spending tax dollars to fight against the copying of a private company's product?


I don't like copyright or patent law all that much, particularly in their current form, but what you're seeing here is not about copyrights or patents.  It's about trademarks, which I do believe in.

At their core, trademarks are about fraud prevention: it's illegal to make products and claim them to be made by someone else.  One way that this is enforced is to give manufacturers a way to put unique labels on their products to identify as theirs, and to make using such labels on other products illegal.  That a company gets to own a symbol is a minor absurdity that is well worth it.

Attacking fraud is definitely within state interest, and therefore is reasonable spending of tax dollars/yuan.
 
2013-08-03 08:56:05 AM
as someone who is getting some blackberry cobbler for his birthday, I am getting a kick...
 
2013-08-03 08:58:26 AM

MugzyBrown: Shaggy_C: MugzyBrown: Why is the state spending tax dollars to fight against the copying of a private company's product?

The right to property is the basis of civilized society.  Why should the state fight against me breaking into your private home and stealing your privately-owned television?

That's not really a good comparison.

Should the police burn down your house because you're building one that looks like mine?


Brace yourselves people...  There are about to be a whole lot of fires!

removeyourlenscap.com
 
2013-08-03 03:08:16 PM

EngineerAU: These "Nobody uses BlackBerry" threads are funny because they show just how convinced most Americans are that they're the only country in the world. Travel a bit and you'll see BlackBerry is still quite popular outside the US.


Yeah, in Canada they have 13.5% of the market.


But what about the rest of the world?


Gartner predicts that through 2016, BlackBerry will achieve less than 5 percent worldwide smartphone market share.

Okay, so a few people use BlackBerry - very few.
 
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