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(Think Progress)   Uninsured conservative blogger in hospital with liver failure. Liberal and conservative bloggers band together to raise money for his medical bills. Good job guys, now just 45 million more to go   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 441
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2013-08-02 03:29:56 PM

JAGChem82: You know, I've considered myself a liberal simply out of practical means, not because I'm some "bleeding-heart" or have a ton of empathy to give around.  So when I hear stories like this one, I will admit to having a bit of schadenfruede. Not that much to see him die or hate him, because I don't need that on my ledger, but being that he is conservative, he probably threw out that 47% number like it was candy. Probably a "I'm a self made man, I don't need any government helping ME out" type. Well guess what buddy, you ARE now that 47% that you despised so much, congratulations, moocher!

But it doesn't surprise me about people like him. If it was a liberal dying of cancer, he'd probably gloat endlessly until said individual died, and from the way he ranted at Roger Ebert, he definitely was. Now like I said, I don't want him to die at all. I hope he lives until his 80s in the best of health. But do I have compassion for him? No. If people want to contribute to him, that's fine, but call his ass out publicly about how he can't live up to his own standards. Make him a household name on Fark and other sites about the failures of conservatism.


Private charitable donations is a conservative principle.    If his church wants to have a carwash or help him out with his bills, more power to him.  If private people donate money to him, again, more power to him.  The only thing to rail on him about would be if he took money from taxpayers.  It's the same with Detroit.  If Democrats want to hold carwashes across the country and donate the money to Detroit, go do it.  But don't make a federal program to bail people out of problems that do little to fix the problem.

Think of it this way:  he lives and decides to use the federal health care exchanges to get health insurance.  He needs a liver transplant for his now pre-existing condition that can't be refused or charged higher premiums.  The other people in his plan are now paying higher premiums for this and they don't have a choice like they did when they drove by the carwash.

The reality is that responsible people take care of their own needs and they nanny government also makes responsible people take care of the needs of the irresponsible.  This is acceptable up to a point.  Eventually the responsible people will get no value out of being responsible and everyone will be living in a proletariat pit of despair.

It's like having a society of people where some are blind, some have one good eye and other's have two good eyes.  The liberal solution is to poke  everybody's eyes out and make the one-eyed people kings.   Everyone who is blind thinks there is nothing better and the one-eyed kings couldn't be happier.
 
2013-08-02 03:31:08 PM

Fart_Machine: I'm sure you were just as butthurt when this guy was publically celebrating the deaths of prominent liberals.


I didn't know who this guy was then. Nor do I really know much about him other than him being pretty angry and callous.

How can I be angry about something I'm unaware of? Do you expect me to walk around in a general state of anger?
 
2013-08-02 03:40:38 PM
Even if he did have a HDHP insurance $25,000 isn't gonna cover the deductible and co-insurance for a liver transplant, medications etc. He'll be on a transplant wait list so 5 months from now when his insurance resets he would need to start all over with both the deductible and co-insurance and continue medications. Blogging isn't high on the pay-scale. He's farked. Bloggin' ain't easy.

\ 'murica.

\\ I bet he'll have a different view of healthcare policy in this country once the bills start rolling in.
 
2013-08-02 03:43:38 PM

Urbn: sammyk: PanicMan: When I wasn't in the hospital trying to die I had a miserable existence. Most days I was just hoping I would piss or shiat. Sounds like a sim ...

Damn.  I can't think of anything worse than that.  Glad you made it.

As much as I think this guy is a total tool he does not deserve to have what is headed his way. To be perfectly honest I considered emptying the bank account on the best bottle of scotch I could buy and ending it all. Its a living hell and your family gets to watch helplessly as your heath goes down the toilet and the ammonia turns you into a farking moron. Everybody involved gets to turn into horrible people too. I remember the start of the 4th of July week thinking my odds were considerably better for getting a donor.

Your story scares the crap out of me. I'm glad you made it and I just wish we had a system where, when people are that ill or injured, their primary focus could be on getting well again...not having to worry about volumes of paperwork, jumping through hoops with their insurance provider, or begging for charity and setting up donation sites as they're prepping to go into surgery. How much longer are we going to be stupid about how we handle health care for the citizens of our country?


It was a scary experience. It's by far the toughest thing I have ever gone through and it fundamentally changed the man I am. But really do not have a insurance horror story to tell. I had BCBS of NJ. After the first disaster(kidneys shutting down) they got a bill for 1 million+. A week after I got home I got a call from them and they assigned a manager to my case. Any bill collectors I sent her way. They never really tried to deny care or drop me.

This all happened in 2008. The ACA is obviously something I support strongly. For a long time I wondered if I would be able to keep insurance longterm. For the rest of my life I am going to be a lose for them and nothing will ever change that.
 
2013-08-02 03:46:05 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Oh, ffs! Do you think I give a shiat whether medical treatment is based on knowledge or delusion, as long as it works? I keep telling you, the only reason anyone does anything is to FEEL BETTER!


Um, yes, I do care.  Because if it's based on knowledge, we can figure out WHY it works and try to refine it further.

And if that's true, then why are you posting on here, if it causes you such frustration?
 
2013-08-02 03:53:26 PM
The tragedy here is that a useful liver might be wasted on this bag of hateful gas.

So, fark him.
 
2013-08-02 03:57:04 PM

Felgraf: BarkingUnicorn: Oh, ffs! Do you think I give a shiat whether medical treatment is based on knowledge or delusion, as long as it works? I keep telling you, the only reason anyone does anything is to FEEL BETTER!

Um, yes, I do care.  Because if it's based on knowledge, we can figure out WHY it works and try to refine it further.

And if that's true, then why are you posting on here, if it causes you such frustration?


Because he doesn't actually understand the Buddhist philosophy he's trying to regurgitate.
 
2013-08-02 04:00:00 PM

tbeatty: The only thing to rail on him about would be if he took money from taxpayers.


Which is what is going to happen since he doesn't have insurance.  $25K isn't going to cover his medical expenses and he certainly doesn't have the rest so guess who the costs are going to get passed on to.

tbeatty: Think of it this way: he lives and decides to use the federal health care exchanges to get health insurance. He needs a liver transplant for his now pre-existing condition that can't be refused or charged higher premiums. The other people in his plan are now paying higher premiums for this and they don't have a choice like they did when they drove by the carwash.


Sure they do.  Go find another provider who charges lower premiums.  Of course the large pool size is precisely what will offset his costs as well as everyone else's so the one guy who needs a transplant isn't going to raise costs anymore than if he was part of a large corporate plan.
 
2013-08-02 04:13:07 PM

tbeatty: Private charitable donations is a conservative principle.


So why does the headline say Liberals and Conservatives are banding together to help this man? Are the Conservatives donating all the money and the Liberals are just standing there thinking of ways to raise your taxes? Crap. Watch and see, in about 3 days I'll get a forwarded email from my uncle that says just that.
 
2013-08-02 04:19:43 PM

The Why Not Guy: tbeatty: Private charitable donations is a conservative principle.

So why does the headline say Liberals and Conservatives are banding together to help this man? Are the Conservatives donating all the money and the Liberals are just standing there thinking of ways to raise your taxes? Crap. Watch and see, in about 3 days I'll get a forwarded email from my uncle that says just that.


tbeatty: It's okay. They said liberal sites carried the story, not that they gave anything.


Looks like he got that e-mail already.
 
2013-08-02 04:27:51 PM

MSFT: Felgraf: BarkingUnicorn: Oh, ffs! Do you think I give a shiat whether medical treatment is based on knowledge or delusion, as long as it works? I keep telling you, the only reason anyone does anything is to FEEL BETTER!

Um, yes, I do care.  Because if it's based on knowledge, we can figure out WHY it works and try to refine it further.

And if that's true, then why are you posting on here, if it causes you such frustration?

Because he doesn't actually understand the Buddhist philosophy he's trying to regurgitate.


This is the scientific method:  observe phenomena, speculate as to their causes, reach a totally unfounded conclusion that makes sense so you feel better. :-)

Profanities and caps are not only used to express frustration.  Surely, you have seen boisterous, profane laughter.
 
2013-08-02 04:36:58 PM
BarkingUnicorn:
This is the scientific method:  observe phenomena, speculate as to their causes, reach a totally unfounded conclusion that makes sense so you feel better. :-)


No.
 
2013-08-02 04:53:49 PM
Ahhh, conservative hypocrisy at it's finest.  I would feel bad for him, but I can't.  I'm in my early thirties, by all rights, I shouldn't need insurance, right?  But I'm responsible, so I do and thankfully so, blood cancer would have wiped me out last year without it.  If you don't realize your just one accident or illness from bankruptcy without it, you're a damned fool.

Reminds me of my friends who had to have a shotgun wedding when we were in our late teens due to a unexpected package in the oven.  He got critically ill a few years back and was forced into medical bankruptcy.  I used to feel bad for him and his wife and kids, but I can't anymore... even after all that, he refuses to admit he would benefit from having a social safety net.  The local hospital/government FORCED him to enroll his family in the (free) state insurance pool last year and refused them care until they did (rightfully so).  Now he's angry because he's got "too much insurance"?  WTF!!!!!!
 
2013-08-02 06:06:33 PM

Fart_Machine: tbeatty: The only thing to rail on him about would be if he took money from taxpayers.

Which is what is going to happen since he doesn't have insurance.  $25K isn't going to cover his medical expenses and he certainly doesn't have the rest so guess who the costs are going to get passed on to.


No, that's not how it works.  The hospital might send him a bill and eat the cost.  Which means they pass it on to the insured.  If he's not covered by medicare or the states system, the hospital still treats and sends him a bill.  Because this is the system and people without insurance are using hospital emergency rooms as primary care physicians, the plan is to make everyone insured, expand the medicare system and send people to primary care physicians.  But right now, hospitals would not be reimbursed for his expenses by the government unless he qualified for care and they simply calculate that cost into their structure when they negotiate with private  insurance companies.
 
2013-08-02 06:13:29 PM

tbeatty: The hospital might send him a bill and eat the cost. Which means they pass it on to the insured.


So in other words rate payers absorb the cost and pay for him.  Whereas with the ACA at least he is covered and paying into the system.
 
2013-08-02 06:27:20 PM

tbeatty: Private charitable donations is a conservative principle.

cop out.

Any excuse to not appear to be the soulless bastards they are.
 
2013-08-02 06:27:50 PM

tbeatty: Which means they pass it on to the insured.


Including people on Medicare and Medicaid (paid for by... wait for it... taxpayers). As health care costs rise, Medicare/Medicaid costs rise as well, and/or taxpayers get less for the money we're spending.
 
2013-08-02 06:44:18 PM

The Why Not Guy: tbeatty: Which means they pass it on to the insured.

Including people on Medicare and Medicaid (paid for by... wait for it... taxpayers). As health care costs rise, Medicare/Medicaid costs rise as well, and/or taxpayers get less for the money we're spending.


And guess, of all the insurance groups, sets their rates without negotiation?  Why do you think Doctors are now refusing to accept new medicare/medicaid patients?  wait for it. ..... because they don't reimburse at the rate necessary to cover overall costs.  Medicare/medicaid are the worst and health care will only decline if it moves to more involvement.  Right now, I know my private insurance is better than the local and state government and it's better than medicare.  A single payer system would eliminate the ability to compare and get better plans.
 
2013-08-02 06:57:02 PM

tbeatty: A single payer system would eliminate the ability to compare and get better plans.


That isn't necessarily true. My Canadian cousins are fairly well off. They have the standard government health insurance paid for by their tax dollars, and they supplement it with private coverage. I'm pretty sure if we ever went to single payer we'd be able to do the same.
 
2013-08-02 07:42:03 PM

tbeatty: Why do you think Doctors are now refusing to accept new medicare/medicaid patients?  wait for it. ..... because they don't reimburse at the rate necessary to cover overall costs.


Prove it.
 
2013-08-02 07:57:33 PM
I hope he gets the personal responsibility transplant he so desperately needs.
 
2013-08-02 08:16:38 PM
Hopefully he'll survive thanks to the help, thereby looking like a total hypocrite and living to see it, then get eaten by a runaway liger while waiting in line at Chik-Fil-A.

/good sandwiches
 
2013-08-02 10:04:26 PM

Mrbogey: NewportBarGuy: ...like some homeless person.

Oh... and could you explain for me what makes homeless people, bad people?


Homeless people beg. That's the analogy. Do I need to draw a picture for you in crayon?
 
2013-08-03 12:12:46 AM

tbeatty: Per capita, the U.S has about 2-3x the number of MRI machines per capita than European countries with single payer.  (the only machine I have data for).  All those machines are used and set by demand.  How come the discrepancy?


Because the entirety of Europe fits inside an area about the size of Texas.

And the distance between my home and Texas alone is farther than from one end of Europe to the other.
 
2013-08-03 12:15:54 AM

Aristocles: For any number of reasons that we may or may not know. It's up to individuals themselves to decide to help him, if he's a shaitbag to everyone, then chances are he won't receive much help. Planning for this sort of thing is his personal responsibility but should he fail to adequately plan that doesn't mean he has to refuse any outside help.


LOL, you say this like he and his family aren't asking for money. Face it, he's begging for money.
 
2013-08-03 12:18:26 AM

Mugato: Warlordtrooper: This is why liberals never win.  We need to stop helping conservatives.

This man deserves whatever disease he has.

He deserves to be helped like any other human. Then when he's better he deserves to get his ass kicked. But no one deserves liver failure.


Even the ones who glory in the slow suffering from similar diseases in others?
 
2013-08-03 12:24:12 AM

Wadded Beef: Mugato: Warlordtrooper: This is why liberals never win.  We need to stop helping conservatives.

This man deserves whatever disease he has.

He deserves to be helped like any other human. Then when he's better he deserves to get his ass kicked. But no one deserves liver failure.

Here's to hoping he gets better, realizes the folly of his previous beliefs, recants previous stances publicly and becomes a more centrist/left-of-center blogger.


Shiat, he can even be a far right blogger. I don't give a fark, it's the total over the top asshole part that pisses me off. Yes, people can be far right without being total assholes. It's the rip into a dying man type of shiat that gets him no sympathy from me, not the politics itself.
 
2013-08-03 12:25:28 AM

Aristocles: coeyagi: Maud Dib: Felgraf: To people arguing with Aristocles-

Please be warned he has admitted to not arguing in good faith, and is an *admitted* troll.

See http://www.fark.com/comments/7856783/85539614#c85539614 and http://www.fark.com/comments/7856783/85540067#c85540067  .

. Named after a man who claimed to know nothing, he seems to think he's a lot more clever than he is.

I just figure it would be akin to arguing with.. man, whoever it was with the lists, after the person accidentally outed themselves
/Only this troll is far, faaarr less clever.

Question is, why hasn't an admitted troll been banhammered?It's in the goddamn FAQ.


Oh wait...never mind.

[i865.photobucket.com image 400x495]

Well, maybe he's an admitted ALT too.  Remember that one time at Fark camp, the moderator came in and said ALTing is fine.  So, maybe in the Fark deck of cards, being an admitted ALT trumps being an admitted TROLL?

I dunno, I'm just asking questions!

I am an admitted alt.


WHy would ANYONE need an alt? Fark isn't one of those sites where there is a 10 minute waiting period between posts. There's no reason for an alt, other than to hide your identity.
 
2013-08-03 12:28:21 AM

NeverDrunk23: Interestingly, some mods feel that the reason Fark is lacking in reasonable conservatives is not because of alts like that who make conservatives look bad with every post, but the REAL fault lies with the ones who call them out on their lies and bullshiat.


Which would be why you can get banned by mentioning another poster by name, I guess. It's the only explanation that makes sense.
 
2013-08-03 12:33:49 AM

js34603: What's a difficult concept for me is the incredible cognitive dissonance of people who say "this guy said mean things about Roger Ebert on the Internet, so I hope he dies a horrible death and I want to piss on his grave"...on the Internet.


I don't think these words mean what you think they mean.

The people who are saying this are just pointing out that Karma is a biatch and this guy is in a great position to learn that. He's getting 100% what he dished out, except it's confined to fark message boards, rather than being posted as a blog on a major website. To truly give this guy his due, someone needs to get the same tweets, except with his name in place of Ebert's, splashed across the internet, and in the main news cycle for day on end. His parents, wife and daughters need to see these, and then when they finally get butthurt and try to speak out, the internet needs to show them the content of his ORIGINAL tweets as context. Maybe when they realize that he asked for that with his wn farking actions, they will be the pressure he needs not to be a total prick.

Then he can get his cancer cured, I don't give a fark.
 
2013-08-03 12:38:43 AM

Mikey1969: tbeatty: Per capita, the U.S has about 2-3x the number of MRI machines per capita than European countries with single payer.  (the only machine I have data for).  All those machines are used and set by demand.  How come the discrepancy?

Because the entirety of Europe fits inside an area about the size of Texas.

And the distance between my home and Texas alone is farther than from one end of Europe to the other.


It's per capita and usage percentage is the same.  In other words, the u.S. patients get 2-3x the number of MRI's than European patients.

Put that in perspective to professional sports teams where every injury is MRI'd and their care is much better than average.  It's fairly reasonable to argue that access to diagnostic equipment is a fairly good indicator of the quality of care (and it's more expensive too).
 
2013-08-03 12:46:04 AM

cameroncrazy1984: tbeatty: Why do you think Doctors are now refusing to accept new medicare/medicaid patients?  wait for it. ..... because they don't reimburse at the rate necessary to cover overall costs.

Prove it.


Your google machine is broken or are you logically impaired not to understand why Drs. would opt-out of government insurance?

Just one of about a million references, dingo.
http://www.planprescriber.com/medicare-insurance-news/doctors/
Medicare Doctor Fee ChangesThe fact that Medicare reimbursement rates are significantly lower than other private insurers, many doctors are opting out of Medicare, making the availability of doctors even more complicated for Medicare beneficiaries. All beneficiaries should double check to see if their current doctors are still enrolled with Medicare either as a participating or nonparticipating provider. If your provider is no longer enrolled in Medicare or you would like to explore other healthcare provider options, visit <a data-cke-saved-href="http://www.medicare.gov/find-a-doctor/provider-se arch.aspx" target="_blank">Medicare's healthcare provider directory for doctors taking Medicare payments in your area.
 
2013-08-03 12:48:40 AM

tbeatty: It's per capita and usage percentage is the same.  In other words, the u.S. patients get 2-3x the number of MRI's than European patients.


Because sometimes there are hundreds and hundreds of miles between towns, so a lot of times, each little town will have one so people don't have to drive 4 hours to get an MRI. You have 5 cities of 100,000 people, and each one has8 places with MRI's, that's 40 MRI's for 500,000 people, but if you have onecity of 500,000 people, you might only have 15 or so. Same concept. People are located closer to each other in EUrope, so one MRI will support a larger sampling of the population.

We have empty parts inside our country that are larger than individual European countries, meaning that people in EUrope could possibly end up driving across an entire country to get to the next possible place with an MRI, not even necessarily one that HAS one. We simply have more because of how big our country is geographically and how far it is between places.
 
2013-08-03 01:09:22 AM

Mikey1969: tbeatty: It's per capita and usage percentage is the same.  In other words, the u.S. patients get 2-3x the number of MRI's than European patients.

Because sometimes there are hundreds and hundreds of miles between towns, so a lot of times, each little town will have one so people don't have to drive 4 hours to get an MRI. You have 5 cities of 100,000 people, and each one has8 places with MRI's, that's 40 MRI's for 500,000 people, but if you have onecity of 500,000 people, you might only have 15 or so. Same concept. People are located closer to each other in EUrope, so one MRI will support a larger sampling of the population.

We have empty parts inside our country that are larger than individual European countries, meaning that people in EUrope could possibly end up driving across an entire country to get to the next possible place with an MRI, not even necessarily one that HAS one. We simply have more because of how big our country is geographically and how far it is between places.


I can't explain it any better than utilization of the machines is the same (say 60% of the time, each machine being used).  If your theory of demographics was correct,  U.S machines would be underutilized and European machines would be running 24/7..  They are not.  It's the same.   An average U.S. citizen gets 2-3x the number of MRI's as an average European.  A professional athlete probably gets 10x the number of MRI's as an average U.S. citizen.  Who has the best health care?
 
2013-08-03 02:43:07 AM

tbeatty: Mikey1969: tbeatty: It's per capita and usage percentage is the same.  In other words, the u.S. patients get 2-3x the number of MRI's than European patients.

Because sometimes there are hundreds and hundreds of miles between towns, so a lot of times, each little town will have one so people don't have to drive 4 hours to get an MRI. You have 5 cities of 100,000 people, and each one has8 places with MRI's, that's 40 MRI's for 500,000 people, but if you have onecity of 500,000 people, you might only have 15 or so. Same concept. People are located closer to each other in EUrope, so one MRI will support a larger sampling of the population.

We have empty parts inside our country that are larger than individual European countries, meaning that people in EUrope could possibly end up driving across an entire country to get to the next possible place with an MRI, not even necessarily one that HAS one. We simply have more because of how big our country is geographically and how far it is between places.

I can't explain it any better than utilization of the machines is the same (say 60% of the time, each machine being used).  If your theory of demographics was correct,  U.S machines would be underutilized and European machines would be running 24/7..  They are not.  It's the same.   An average U.S. citizen gets 2-3x the number of MRI's as an average European.  A professional athlete probably gets 10x the number of MRI's as an average U.S. citizen.  Who has the best health care?


You're really using professional athletes as an example? Organizations that have health care actually placed in their bylaws due to the potential for catastrophic injury? These MRIs are covered by the team/league, and have nothing at all to download with the healthcare debate at all. That's like pointing out that office workers in the US sit at desks, while restaurant workers in Poland have tons and up and claiming that it's because US workers are coddled.

As for the rest of your statement, some citations would help, and we also tend to have Drs who over-prescribe everything from medicine to specialty procedures. On top of that, we are a nation of hypochondriacs.

Besides, we don't have a health care 'system', we have some good hospitals that are kept in business by constantly dancing around with a for-profit that wants to bleed its demographic completely dry before discarding them like so much trash at the end of the day. We have medical practitioners who spend well into 6 figures to get into their field only to discover that the only way to make any money is to play ball with the insurance companies who in turn down everything they can to avoid actually paying out on a claim in any way. We don't have a system, we have multiple systems which just barely work together, and we, the end user, are left to discover that we're at the bottom of the pile when it comes to our own health.

If we had a 'system' then a new job wouldn't be a crap shoot as to whether or not we could afford to keep our kids alive, and we wouldn't work for tears at jobs that drained us spiritually, physically and emotionally just because they happen to have a halfway decent health insurance plan.
 
2013-08-03 08:02:37 AM

Mikey1969: Mugato: Warlordtrooper: This is why liberals never win.  We need to stop helping conservatives.

This man deserves whatever disease he has.

He deserves to be helped like any other human. Then when he's better he deserves to get his ass kicked. But no one deserves liver failure.

Even the ones who glory in the slow suffering from similar diseases in others?


As I said, he could use a good ass kicking but not liver failure.
 
2013-08-03 08:31:25 AM

Mikey1969: tbeatty: Per capita, the U.S has about 2-3x the number of MRI machines per capita than European countries with single payer.  (the only machine I have data for).  All those machines are used and set by demand.  How come the discrepancy?

Because the entirety of Europe fits inside an area about the size of Texas.

And the distance between my home and Texas alone is farther than from one end of Europe to the other.


What the hell are you talking about?

Area of Texas: 268,581 mi2
Area of Europe: 3,930,000 mi2

Hell, France alone is nearly the size of Texas.

Area of France: 248,429 mi2

And Germany is 50% bigger again

Area of Germany: 357,022mi2
 
2013-08-03 08:35:42 AM

tbeatty: cameroncrazy1984: tbeatty: Why do you think Doctors are now refusing to accept new medicare/medicaid patients?  wait for it. ..... because they don't reimburse at the rate necessary to cover overall costs.

Prove it.

Your google machine is broken or are you logically impaired not to understand why Drs. would opt-out of government insurance?

Just one of about a million references, dingo.
http://www.planprescriber.com/medicare-insurance-news/doctors/
Medicare Doctor Fee ChangesThe fact that Medicare reimbursement rates are significantly lower than other private insurers, many doctors are opting out of Medicare, making the availability of doctors even more complicated for Medicare beneficiaries. All beneficiaries should double check to see if their current doctors are still enrolled with Medicare either as a participating or nonparticipating provider. If your provider is no longer enrolled in Medicare or you would like to explore other healthcare provider options, visit <a data-cke-saved-href="http://www.medicare.gov/find-a-doctor/provider-se arch.aspx" target="_blank">Medicare's healthcare provider directory for doctors taking Medicare payments in your area.


Where's the proof in that citation? All it did is make the same assertion you did. You literally just said "my proof is this guy who agrees with me"
 
2013-08-03 09:01:38 AM

Mikey1969: Mugato: Warlordtrooper: This is why liberals never win.  We need to stop helping conservatives.

This man deserves whatever disease he has.

He deserves to be helped like any other human. Then when he's better he deserves to get his ass kicked. But no one deserves liver failure.

Even the ones who glory in the slow suffering from similar diseases in others?


Offering compassion to those that clearly don't deserve it makes some people feel better about themselves.  Good.  I can only hope this guy survives and in some twist of fate, negatively impacts their lives, or the lives of someone they care about (like he's spent an entire career trying to do).  Then they can pucker up and suck the turd out of his ass and call themselves angels.

By his own farking ideology, he farking deserves liver cancer.

By his own farking ideology, he deserves abject farking poverty for the medical costs.

By his OWN farking IDEOLOGY,  he is getting what he DESERVES because he didn't pray hard enough, or save enough, or know the right people.

I haven't seen a better example of justice in years.

I'll save my compassion for someone that isn't an asshole.
 
2013-08-03 10:55:29 AM

tbeatty: It's fairly reasonable to argue that access to diagnostic equipment is a fairly good indicator of the quality of care (and it's more expensive too).


Not really.  It's a better indicator that hospitals will be happy to over-utilize these machines to inflate your bill.  There is no evidence that Europeans are dying due to lack of MRI machines.
 
2013-08-03 11:38:20 AM

cameroncrazy1984: tbeatty: cameroncrazy1984: tbeatty: Why do you think Doctors are now refusing to accept new medicare/medicaid patients?  wait for it. ..... because they don't reimburse at the rate necessary to cover overall costs.

Prove it.

Your google machine is broken or are you logically impaired not to understand why Drs. would opt-out of government insurance?

Just one of about a million references, dingo.
http://www.planprescriber.com/medicare-insurance-news/doctors/
Medicare Doctor Fee ChangesThe fact that Medicare reimbursement rates are significantly lower than other private insurers, many doctors are opting out of Medicare, making the availability of doctors even more complicated for Medicare beneficiaries. All beneficiaries should double check to see if their current doctors are still enrolled with Medicare either as a participating or nonparticipating provider. If your provider is no longer enrolled in Medicare or you would like to explore other healthcare provider options, visit <a data-cke-saved-href="http://www.medicare.gov/find-a-doctor/provider-se arch.aspx" target="_blank">Medicare's healthcare provider directory for doctors taking Medicare payments in your area.

Where's the proof in that citation? All it did is make the same assertion you did. You literally just said "my proof is this guy who agrees with me"


That's the best you'll get on the internet, son. All anyone here has is teh google and some other jerks' stuff that's been posted online.
 
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