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2013-08-02 11:47:06 AM

Aristocles: Dr Dreidel: Libertarian government (NOT charity - that comes from people, not governments) would ignore the fark out of his medical problems.

This is true. But, under a Libertarian philosophy there's nothing wrong with giving or receiving charity, as long as it's not something compulsory.


But whence "personal responsibility"? That's my point - why should anyone want to help him if he won't help himself?
 
2013-08-02 11:49:10 AM
Surely his liver has bootstraps? If it doesn't, well, it's just God's will.
 
2013-08-02 11:49:57 AM

coeyagi: BarkingUnicorn: coeyagi: BarkingUnicorn: coeyagi: So, if I understand the position of the FarkDerpCons here, if you live in a small town of 120 people and you don't have insurance, you are just supposed to hope your neighbors, who in this case happen to be poor, can help you pay for your cancer treatments?

WINNING!

Or you can get someone to launch an online fundraiser for you.

I was friends with a street shoe-shiner in Denver.  His mother died; at her funeral, his brother dropped dead. Neither had life insurance.  Claude was stuck with $7600 in funeral expenses (the dumbass).

I wrote a blog post about Claude and his predicament with a Paypal donation link, tweeted the post's URL to my followers, and within 72 hours most of his problem  was solved.  I imagine today's fundraising sites would have let him retire

He's really a wonderful man, and I'm a helluva salesman. But most of all, I surround myself with kind people.  Do that and you need not fear.

Funeral expenses < Medical expenses.

Did not read the rest, no need going down the rabbit hole of derp further.  The point is, what the f*ck is the big deal?  Everyone pay into a god damn system and we'll be fine.  Those evil socialist countries (with higher standards of living) seem to be doing just fine.

I can't be bother with people who can't be bothered.  Next, please!

I just read the rest.  My original point stands that your analogy seemed to be derived from copious usage of crack-cocaine.


I can't be bothered with people who don't know what an analogy is, either.  Move along, I have customers waiting...
 
2013-08-02 11:50:05 AM
draypresct:
By the way my initial post was just pointing out the typical right wing pundit would be saying something like what I posted if it was a left wing blogger you know the whole "just asking questions"

I want single payer, but I also think we do need to make some choices about what we will pay for, do we really do heroic measures on someone who is in multilple system failure or do we maybe give one hundred other people keflex for a simple infection that might keep them from losing their toe or life.

You just hit a nerve.
 
2013-08-02 11:50:57 AM

Aristocles: Dr Dreidel: Libertarian government (NOT charity - that comes from people, not governments) would ignore the fark out of his medical problems.

This is true. But, under a Libertarian philosophy there's nothing wrong with giving or receiving charity, as long as it's not something compulsory.


So you can choose who's "deserving" of your money, and everyone else can fark off?

I can see why libertarianism is so attractive to Republicans.
 
2013-08-02 11:51:08 AM

BarkingUnicorn: MSFT: BarkingUnicorn:   Sociopaths cannot feel empathy.  Please stop misusing that term.

There was an article on BBC a few days ago about a recent study showing that psychopaths have the ability to selectively emphathize with others. This may lead to some breakthrough treatment programs in the future.

Looks like this is it.

I read it via Fark earlier; I don't buy it.  Subjects have empathy and feel compassion (the urge to act upon empathy to relieve another's suffering).  They are not sociopaths; they simply resist the urge to express empathy, compassion, and kindness when they believe doing so will make them feel better, e. g,  get some strokes from the researchers, and express empathy, compassion, and kindness when they believe doing so will make them feel better.  Standard normal behavior, not sociopathic. Researchers are  misinterpreting their observations.


So your contention is that every one of the criminals used in the study, locked up and previously evaluated as psychopaths, are all actually mislabeled as psychopaths? If this is true then we really have no accurate testing for psychopathy then do we?
 
2013-08-02 11:51:14 AM
What is it with asshole alcoholic conservative bloggers?

Is this guy going to get a portrait made of him in armor, standing in front of Valhalla?

Can we just start lining up at his gravesite with very full bladders instead?
 
2013-08-02 11:51:24 AM

Free Radical: Shouldn't churches be doing this in order to earn their tax-exempt status?


They are busy paying off legal settlements for that whole buggering little boys thing.
 
2013-08-02 11:52:12 AM

Mrbogey: Mentat: Mrbogey: It's nice to know that the compassion some people feel towards him exists only as far as they want to prove a point.

Or maybe those on the left just aren't raging sociopaths.  Maybe the Tea Baggers have spent so much time defining empathy as a vice that they don't recognize genuine human compassion.

This thread is filled with people taking delight in the suffering of another because he acted like an ass at some point in his life. And you say they're not sociopaths?

I tend not to enjoy the suffering of another person. Them being an asshole still doesn't cause me joy to see them die or suffer


l3.yimg.com
 
2013-08-02 11:52:20 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Surely his liver has bootstraps? If it doesn't, well, it's just God's will.


Why should society be punished because one person didn't pray hard enough?
 
2013-08-02 11:52:38 AM

BarkingUnicorn: coeyagi: BarkingUnicorn: coeyagi: BarkingUnicorn: coeyagi: So, if I understand the position of the FarkDerpCons here, if you live in a small town of 120 people and you don't have insurance, you are just supposed to hope your neighbors, who in this case happen to be poor, can help you pay for your cancer treatments?

WINNING!

Or you can get someone to launch an online fundraiser for you.

I was friends with a street shoe-shiner in Denver.  His mother died; at her funeral, his brother dropped dead. Neither had life insurance.  Claude was stuck with $7600 in funeral expenses (the dumbass).

I wrote a blog post about Claude and his predicament with a Paypal donation link, tweeted the post's URL to my followers, and within 72 hours most of his problem  was solved.  I imagine today's fundraising sites would have let him retire

He's really a wonderful man, and I'm a helluva salesman. But most of all, I surround myself with kind people.  Do that and you need not fear.

Funeral expenses < Medical expenses.

Did not read the rest, no need going down the rabbit hole of derp further.  The point is, what the f*ck is the big deal?  Everyone pay into a god damn system and we'll be fine.  Those evil socialist countries (with higher standards of living) seem to be doing just fine.

I can't be bother with people who can't be bothered.  Next, please!

I just read the rest.  My original point stands that your analogy seemed to be derived from copious usage of crack-cocaine.

I can't be bothered with people who don't know what an analogy is, either.  Move along, I have customers waiting...


I know what an analogy is --- yours was incredibly sh*tty.  You are comparing medical expenses to funeral expenses.  I am trying to bother with educating you but you are doubling down like a typical conservative who is called out on his failings.
 
2013-08-02 11:53:38 AM

Mrbogey: Instead he'd have to hope for the compassion of a faceless bureaucrat properly filing and approving his request and then receive bottom tier care. Relying on your neighbors and people who genuinely care for you to help you, that's no way to go through life, I tells ya. Gov't assistance... now that's dignified.

It's nice to know that the compassion some people feel towards him exists only as far as they want to prove a point.


It depends how you design the single payer program. As someone with family in cancer care under a single-payer system, I can attest to the fact that he's gotten exceptional care and expects to live another 10 or 20 years.

And 'faceless bureaucrat' ?  Are you saying that those without friends and family and neighbors who love you should DIE?

Oh wait, that is what you're saying: You can live if you're nice AND know lots of well-off people OR if you have money. If you're Poor or unfortunate enough to only know poor people or a bastard, then you deserve to die? Nice to see we have a candidate for a death panel right here.

What happens when a person's illness burns through the extra resources of a whole town because they need to match the payments offered by the guy who spent his whole life taking 20% of all the money they earned ? What if they've never had health care because they've been adopting puppies and babies and taking care of others, never thinking of themselves? should they only take care of those who are going to 'pay off' by being able to support them in their illness (which we ALL will have?)

And if the Insurance company decides to fight you every step of the way, should only those young and strong enough to partake in the adversarial process survive?

/Fark you
 
2013-08-02 11:58:49 AM
Libertarianism: the belief the government shouldn't help people because they are vile moochers that don't deserve it. Also, we are totally willing to give to charity to help these vile moochers that don't deserve it.
 
2013-08-02 11:59:08 AM

coeyagi: What is it with asshole alcoholic conservative bloggers?

Is this guy going to get a portrait made of him in armor, standing in front of Valhalla?

Can we just start lining up at his gravesite with very full bladders instead?


If you think of extreme Conservatives as being effectively fear based piss pants, it is not surprising that they drink so much alcohol.  Think about it, if you are terrified of life, what is a better treatment than a stiff drink.
 
2013-08-02 11:59:23 AM

Dr Dreidel: Aristocles: Dr Dreidel: Libertarian government (NOT charity - that comes from people, not governments) would ignore the fark out of his medical problems.

This is true. But, under a Libertarian philosophy there's nothing wrong with giving or receiving charity, as long as it's not something compulsory.

But whence "personal responsibility"? That's my point - why should anyone want to help him if he won't help himself?


For any number of reasons that we may or may not know. It's up to individuals themselves to decide to help him, if he's a shaitbag to everyone, then chances are he won't receive much help. Planning for this sort of thing is his personal responsibility but should he fail to adequately plan that doesn't mean he has to refuse any outside help.
 
2013-08-02 12:00:52 PM
It's so sad that some people just cannot force themselves to be decent to others.

I've never heard of this guy. But, reading some of the things he tweeted to Ebert made me want to vomit. How positively dreadful and cruel.

I hope he has some kind of enlightenment from this experience. It's okay to disagree - even poke wise a bit - with people who sit opposite of you and your opinions. It's never okay to inflict cruelty on others.

Jesus, politics isn't life.
 
2013-08-02 12:01:18 PM

Aristocles: Planning for this sort of thing is his personal responsibility but should he fail to adequately plan that doesn't mean he has to refuse any outside help.


Then he should not be criticizing others for getting outside help, or supporting the government in providing that outside help.
 
2013-08-02 12:02:31 PM

Aristocles: If medical costs weren't so inflated and docs were allowed to compete across state-lines, maybe his treatment would have been affordable.


SO MUCH FAIL IN THIS STATEMENT!!!!... Do you even realize and understand why medical costs are so expensive to begin with????

Its because people who don't have insurance get emergency care and wind up defaulting on thier bill... and you better believe Healthcare facilities are not a charity so they have to make up the money they lost somehow... what better way than to pass along the cost to people who can afford it.
 
2013-08-02 12:03:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Aristocles: Planning for this sort of thing is his personal responsibility but should he fail to adequately plan that doesn't mean he has to refuse any outside help.

Then he should not be criticizing others for getting outside help, or supporting the government in providing that outside help.


Except that the government uses money that they obtain via compulsion (taxes).
 
2013-08-02 12:04:28 PM
Karma's a biatch, isn't it?
 
2013-08-02 12:05:03 PM

rubi_con_man: Mrbogey: Instead he'd have to hope for the compassion of a faceless bureaucrat properly filing and approving his request and then receive bottom tier care. Relying on your neighbors and people who genuinely care for you to help you, that's no way to go through life, I tells ya. Gov't assistance... now that's dignified.

It's nice to know that the compassion some people feel towards him exists only as far as they want to prove a point.

It depends how you design the single payer program. As someone with family in cancer care under a single-payer system, I can attest to the fact that he's gotten exceptional care and expects to live another 10 or 20 years.

And 'faceless bureaucrat' ?  Are you saying that those without friends and family and neighbors who love you should DIE?

Oh wait, that is what you're saying: You can live if you're nice AND know lots of well-off people OR if you have money. If you're Poor or unfortunate enough to only know poor people or a bastard, then you deserve to die? Nice to see we have a candidate for a death panel right here.

What happens when a person's illness burns through the extra resources of a whole town because they need to match the payments offered by the guy who spent his whole life taking 20% of all the money they earned ? What if they've never had health care because they've been adopting puppies and babies and taking care of others, never thinking of themselves? should they only take care of those who are going to 'pay off' by being able to support them in their illness (which we ALL will have?)

And if the Insurance company decides to fight you every step of the way, should only those young and strong enough to partake in the adversarial process survive?

/Fark you


What I don't understand is that even if a person is greedy son of biatch who only cares only about themselves, why wouldn't you want a single-payer health care system.  If costs half as much for superior health outcomes on average.

It is like you can pay $2,000 a year on health care insurance and your poor neighbour won't have health care coverage.  Or, you can pay $1,000 a year in taxes and you and your neighbour will have health care.  It is like people are willing to pay more so long as their fellow man can suffer.  That is the most farked up part of it.
 
2013-08-02 12:07:11 PM
How about banding together to get rid of our piece of shiat health insurance system to make sure everyone has easy access to decent levels of health care? That would be fantastic. I guess that would infringe on our FREEDOM to die of preventable, treatable, and chronic illnesses, though. Can't be infringing on all that freedom we have. This is AMERICA, after all.
 
2013-08-02 12:07:32 PM

valar_morghulis: Mrbogey: NewportBarGuy: Imagine if his health care were covered by a single-payer entity. He wouldn't have to beg like some homeless person.

Instead he'd have to hope for the compassion of a faceless bureaucrat properly filing and approving his request and then receive bottom tier care. Relying on your neighbors and people who genuinely care for you to help you, that's no way to go through life, I tells ya. Gov't assistance... now that's dignified.

It's nice to know that the compassion some people feel towards him exists only as far as they want to prove a point.

Kinda like how my mother donated her kidney to save her sister's life, only to have the GOVERNMENT drop her coverage -- into which she had paid thousands and thousands of dollars over the years -- just because she was classified as having "chronic kidney disease" as a result of her single-kidney status.

Oh, wait. That was a HUMANA bureaucrat, not a government bureaucrat.


Jeez.  How selfish can you be?  Couldn't you spare one, tiny second, to think of the poor, Humana execs and stockholders?
 
2013-08-02 12:08:02 PM

spongeboob: You don't really recover form a liver transplant, it is a daily diet of anti-rejection medications that have other side effects. Some people afterwards wish they had just gone gently into that good night.


My uncle had a liver transplant, and while he isn't 100%, and can no longer drink, his quality of life allows him to hunt, fish, boat and do carpentry work around the house, he just has to be more careful.  Even if this guy only is 50% of what he was, I'm sure he can still threaten to punch dying men on twitter a few hours a day.
 
2013-08-02 12:09:50 PM

Mugato: He looks kind of young to have liver failure. Bummer. WTF is he doing without health insurance though?


Well, dying of liver failure, for one.
 
2013-08-02 12:11:18 PM

Aristocles: cameroncrazy1984: Aristocles: Planning for this sort of thing is his personal responsibility but should he fail to adequately plan that doesn't mean he has to refuse any outside help.

Then he should not be criticizing others for getting outside help, or supporting the government in providing that outside help.

Except that the government uses money that they obtain via compulsion (taxes).


And?
 
2013-08-02 12:11:23 PM

coeyagi: What is it with asshole alcoholic conservative bloggers?

Is this guy going to get a portrait made of him in armor, standing in front of Valhalla?

Can we just start lining up at his gravesite with very full bladders instead?


So I just want to verify you're really mad at this guy because he said mean things on the Internet about Ebert right?

That's why you're here in this thread on the Internet wishing for his death and hoping to piss on his grave right? He said mean things on the Internet? Just want to make that clear. If that is it could you maybe say something like "This conservative blogger said mean things about Robert Eber so I hate him and hope he dies a horrible death so I can piss on his grave." That would be great, thanks.
 
2013-08-02 12:11:41 PM
Not being in pain is a business in a time when it is easily managed but requires money to do so.

fark this species called homo sapiens, I hope it farking dies off.
 
2013-08-02 12:13:17 PM

js34603: coeyagi: What is it with asshole alcoholic conservative bloggers?

Is this guy going to get a portrait made of him in armor, standing in front of Valhalla?

Can we just start lining up at his gravesite with very full bladders instead?

So I just want to verify you're really mad at this guy because he said mean things on the Internet about Ebert right?

That's why you're here in this thread on the Internet wishing for his death and hoping to piss on his grave right? He said mean things on the Internet? Just want to make that clear. If that is it could you maybe say something like "This conservative blogger said mean things about Robert Eber so I hate him and hope he dies a horrible death so I can piss on his grave." That would be great, thanks.


That and he's a conservative blogger who says stupid things that thousands of idiots believe on RedState.com, a notorious drivel site that further ruins the political discourse of this country.  But you forgot to point that piece out too...
 
2013-08-02 12:14:19 PM

BarkingUnicorn: MSFT: BarkingUnicorn:   Sociopaths cannot feel empathy.  Please stop misusing that term.

There was an article on BBC a few days ago about a recent study showing that psychopaths have the ability to selectively emphathize with others. This may lead to some breakthrough treatment programs in the future.

Looks like this is it.

I read it via Fark earlier; I don't buy it.  Subjects have empathy and feel compassion (the urge to act upon empathy to relieve another's suffering).  They are not sociopaths; they simply resist the urge to express empathy, compassion, and kindness when they believe doing so will make them feel better, e. g,  get some strokes from the researchers, and express empathy, compassion, and kindness when they believe doing so will make them feel better.  Standard normal behavior, not sociopathic. Researchers are  misinterpreting their observations.


I don't know. If you look at human medicine, the brain is largely unknown, and we don't find things mainly because we don't think about things outside our own experience. But, we already know that empathy and kindness can be turned off by other emotions. If you fly into a rage and start beating a guy on the street, you won't feel a whole lot of empathy for him. You may regret it for other reasons (Oh, no! Going to jail!), but you probably won't feel empathy for his messed up face. Usually when you fly into a rage and do that, your brain justifies it. You'll walk away and go "That's what you  deserve" instead of "Oh fark, I really screwed up your face. I'm sorry, bro."

I mean, look at empathy: You have people who feel almost nothing for other people or animals ("sociopath") and you have others that cry and bemoan when they see a guy get shot int he nuts with a baseball on the news or watch ol' yeller take one to the dome, and everything in between those two extremes.

I personally believe that most of this contradictory evidence about mental abilities is that mental states are more fluid than most people accept. So instead of "He's a sociopath and she's not a sociopath" it's more like "He has 5% empathy and she has 100% empathy and that guy is 50% empathy, and this guy is 23% empathy" and so forth.
 
2013-08-02 12:15:18 PM

HotWingConspiracy: As a staunch conservative capitalist, I have to tell this fellow that he represents a terrible investment.

this right here is one of the reasons why i can't frickin stand conservatives.... he is a human being not something for you to exploit so you can get some kind of profit!

 
2013-08-02 12:19:18 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Aristocles: cameroncrazy1984: Aristocles: Planning for this sort of thing is his personal responsibility but should he fail to adequately plan that doesn't mean he has to refuse any outside help.

Then he should not be criticizing others for getting outside help, or supporting the government in providing that outside help.

Except that the government uses money that they obtain via compulsion (taxes).

And?


And, as moral animals, human beings need the moral freedom to give charity and help people on their own accord.

With every cent the government coerces from a man by means of taxation, a little piece of that man's humanity dies.
 
2013-08-02 12:21:10 PM
Surely america's best satirist?
 
2013-08-02 12:21:12 PM

Felgraf: To people arguing with Aristocles-

Please be warned he has admitted to not arguing in good faith, and is an *admitted* troll.

See http://www.fark.com/comments/7856783/85539614#c85539614 and http://www.fark.com/comments/7856783/85540067#c85540067  .

. Named after a man who claimed to know nothing, he seems to think he's a lot more clever than he is.

I just figure it would be akin to arguing with.. man, whoever it was with the lists, after the person accidentally outed themselves
/Only this troll is far, faaarr less clever.


Repeating this. Stop feeding the admitted troll.

And as for you, specifically, troll: cut this shiat out. How is this useful or entertaining? Wouldn't it be nicer to put together some coherent, genuine thought and sit at the grown-ups table where we might be able to talk about things reasonably?
 
2013-08-02 12:21:21 PM

Aristocles: With every cent the government coerces from a man by means of taxation, a little piece of that man's humanity dies.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-02 12:22:47 PM

amiable: Felgraf:

Bah, you're right, I farked up since Aristocles refers/can refer to *PLATO*, who I've got associated with Socrates in my head.

And eh. I suppose I just don't like it when people argue completely dishonestly. Admit to playing devil's advocate? That's cool! But trolling just really rubs me the wrong way.

He's gotten a lot better at it the last few days.  He is really honing his craft.  His first few efforts were unconvincing, now he is moving into the "somewhat plausible" category.


I'm tired of trolling as a concept. I want honest, spirited debates, none of this weird psychological playground shiat.
 
2013-08-02 12:22:52 PM

Bloody William: Felgraf: To people arguing with Aristocles-

Please be warned he has admitted to not arguing in good faith, and is an *admitted* troll.

See http://www.fark.com/comments/7856783/85539614#c85539614 and http://www.fark.com/comments/7856783/85540067#c85540067  .

. Named after a man who claimed to know nothing, he seems to think he's a lot more clever than he is.

I just figure it would be akin to arguing with.. man, whoever it was with the lists, after the person accidentally outed themselves
/Only this troll is far, faaarr less clever.

Repeating this. Stop feeding the admitted troll.

And as for you, specifically, troll: cut this shiat out. How is this useful or entertaining? Wouldn't it be nicer to put together some coherent, genuine thought and sit at the grown-ups table where we might be able to talk about things reasonably?


You're a racist / troll for pointing out he's a racist / troll!

This is what the GOP / MODs actually believes.
 
2013-08-02 12:22:56 PM

Aristocles: And, as moral animals


reads like this guy is more animal than moral...
www.sarawakreport.org
 
2013-08-02 12:24:04 PM

Aristocles: And, as moral animals, human beings need the moral freedom to give charity and help people on their own accord.


Do we not have that? Also by what evidence are human beings "moral"?
 
2013-08-02 12:24:08 PM

factoryconnection: You know, I'm glad that people were inspired to help.  I don't wish a painful, miserable death for anyone, much less young parents just because I disagree with their blowhard politics.  Yes, there is some karmic justice in him suffering so after openly mocking others' suffering, although he was just being a good Christian, perfectly in line with the Republican Bible.

However, what this will inevitably lead to is his charitable salvation being touted as the true way for this country, and that if he can get others to save him out of the goodness of their hearts, why can't everyone?  And that will be a god damned shame.


He's no different than the uninsured that use emergency rooms as their doctor's office. Someone else is picking up the tab.
 
2013-08-02 12:24:36 PM

Aristocles: With every cent the government coerces from a man by means of taxation, a little piece of that man's humanity dies.


good

Humans should help humans for virtually no reason what so ever, it should just happen without feeling.
 
2013-08-02 12:24:43 PM
You know, I'd be happy to contribute to this guy's medical costs... through my taxes, under a single payer system, where we as a society recognize that every person is entitled to basic medical care, regardless of whether people like them, what choices they make in life, or how wealthy they are.
 
2013-08-02 12:24:50 PM

qorkfiend: Dr Dreidel: Everyone who donated has financed his awful planning. Shouldn't a father of two young girls be a better life-planner? Isn't that the responsible, "family-oriented" thing to do, Libertarians?

I now wonder where his daughters get their insurance from.


The regret-filled wife.
 
2013-08-02 12:26:44 PM
This is why liberals never win.  We need to stop helping conservatives.

This man deserves whatever disease he has.
 
2013-08-02 12:27:03 PM
Eh, he might be a bad person, but he still deserves free health care, and I still think that it's nice that people are helping him to get health care even though they shouldn't have to in this way.
 
2013-08-02 12:27:36 PM

Headso: Aristocles: And, as moral animals

reads like this guy is more animal than moral...
[www.sarawakreport.org image 506x376]


They should make him read those tweets out loud over and over in front of his children as he's getting his treatment.
 
2013-08-02 12:28:07 PM

orclover: fark this species called homo sapiens, I hope it farking dies off.


Don't worry, it will. If not by our own hand then probably by a marauding Orc war fleet.

wh40k.lexicanum.com
 
2013-08-02 12:28:17 PM

MSFT: BarkingUnicorn: MSFT: BarkingUnicorn:   Sociopaths cannot feel empathy.  Please stop misusing that term.

There was an article on BBC a few days ago about a recent study showing that psychopaths have the ability to selectively emphathize with others. This may lead to some breakthrough treatment programs in the future.

Looks like this is it.

I read it via Fark earlier; I don't buy it.  Subjects have empathy and feel compassion (the urge to act upon empathy to relieve another's suffering).  They are not sociopaths; they simply resist the urge to express empathy, compassion, and kindness when they believe doing so will make them feel better, e. g,  get some strokes from the researchers, and express empathy, compassion, and kindness when they believe doing so will make them feel better.  Standard normal behavior, not sociopathic. Researchers are  misinterpreting their observations.

So your contention is that every one of the criminals used in the study, locked up and previously evaluated as psychopaths, are all actually mislabeled as psychopaths? If this is true then we really have no accurate testing for psychopathy then do we?


No, we don't have any way to tell what's going on in a person's mind.  That's why conjecture and conclusions about such things and polygraph tests are inadmissible in courts. A shrink's "evaluation" is merely his opinion, unsupported by any direct experience.  It consists of assumptions derived from observations of behavior, and behavior is neither emotion nor mentation.
 
2013-08-02 12:28:46 PM

Chummer45: You know, I'd be happy to contribute to this guy's medical costs... through my taxes, under a single payer system, where we as a society recognize that every person is entitled to basic medical care, regardless of whether people like them, what choices they make in life, or how wealthy they are.


I think this is the part that rubs people the wrong way more than anything else.  They're fiscal conservatives who think that it's terrible they have to pay for someone's smoking habit, but of course they're also not thinking that ACA does have provisions for preventive care not to mention it's cheaper than paying for the uninsured in the ER.  But hey, they've been lapping up the dogsh*t from this guy's cohorts for 3 years now about ACA, so would it be the Christian thing to do to let them die from E. Coli found in said dogsh*t.  Libertarian Jesus says yes!
 
2013-08-02 12:29:44 PM

Smelly McUgly: Eh, he might be a bad person, but he still deserves free health care, and I still think that it's nice that people are helping him to get health care even though they shouldn't have to in this way.


On the flip side, it is nice to choose not to subsidize him and his antics...though I'd rather let my taxes be able to save him and my neighbor than have both die of treatable illnesses.
 
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