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2013-08-02 11:11:39 AM  

hugram: Arsten: I wish the Republicans would follow through with the threatened repeal of Obamacare so that a real health-care payment (only) system could be implemented.

All they care about is repealing Obamacare... not replacing it. What has been their alternative to Obamacare? Let's not forget that the essence of Obamacare was a Republican idea. They are trying to repeal a Republican idea.

The solution is single payer... or at the very least, a public option... and I'm sure the GOP would considered those two options if they somehow successfully repealed Obamacare.


I'm not saying the Republicans would implement single-payer, I'm saying I wish they would actually repeal Obamacare I don't care if we are left floating for a few years on universal coverage, but this is going to do nothing but entrench a huge lobby presence in Washington for ever more. Once it's fully embraced, we will never get single payer.
 
2013-08-02 11:11:46 AM  
So, if I understand the position of the FarkDerpCons here, if you live in a small town of 120 people and you don't have insurance, you are just supposed to hope your neighbors, who in this case happen to be poor, can help you pay for your cancer treatments?

WINNING!
 
2013-08-02 11:11:51 AM  

tbeatty: NewportBarGuy: Imagine if his health care were covered by a single-payer entity. He wouldn't have to beg like some homeless person.

That would be nice, right?

He'd be dead, Jim.


Oh right. The Dead Panels at the FEMA Camps.
 
2013-08-02 11:12:35 AM  

mrshowrules: pigeonstopper: I hope the more conservative people of the country will eventually realize that helping to pay or the healthcare of another person is the basis of socialized medicine.

If you donate money to an uninsured person, you are literally practicing the system you abhor.

The only difference is for-profit oversight versus democratic not-for-profit oversight.


From consumers' standpoint, profit is as wasteful as government inefficiency.  Business and government fight over the money that's going to be skimmed off what consumers pay.  Make no mistake:  business and government want to skim as much as they can get away with. Neither is your friend or champion.
 
2013-08-02 11:12:44 AM  

Jairzinho: tbeatty:

He'd be dead, Jim.

Oh right. The Death Panels at the FEMA Camps.


FTFM
 
2013-08-02 11:15:00 AM  
So he wants a handout instead of dealing with the situation he himself choose?
 
2013-08-02 11:15:42 AM  
 
2013-08-02 11:15:56 AM  

Felgraf: To people arguing with Aristocles-

Please be warned he has admitted to not arguing in good faith, and is an *admitted* troll.

See http://www.fark.com/comments/7856783/85539614#c85539614 and http://www.fark.com/comments/7856783/85540067#c85540067  .

. Named after a man who claimed to know nothing, he seems to think he's a lot more clever than he is.

I just figure it would be akin to arguing with.. man, whoever it was with the lists, after the person accidentally outed themselves
/Only this troll is far, faaarr less clever.


Good Morning Friend,

I've added your comment to my Profile, just in case you miss a thread that I'm in. :)

Also, Socrates was the one who said something along the lines of all I know is that I know nothing.
 
2013-08-02 11:15:59 AM  

error 303: Look, I'm never going to hope some one gets denied medical care and I think this is a great example of why the system needs to be fixed, but I can think of other people who won't get this kind of crowd funding bump because they don't have access or the ability to raise this sort of media awareness. My wife's uncle has struggled with kidney failure for about four years now, having been unable to work and exhausting COBRA after 36 months of paying out of pocket, so the last year of dialysis and hospital stays have all been uncovered expenses. He basically did everything you're supposed to. Had a job, had savings, had health insurance, but once you're so sick you can't work and you lose employer provided insurance you're sort of screwed, especially before the pre-exisitng condition modification of Obamacare. He's finally at the point where he can get a kidney transplant and just recently got on the national list, but all his savings are gone and he's carrying tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills.

Our healthcare system works fine until you get really sick. It's crazy there's so many people okay with the status-quo to me, but I guess whatever].


That's like saying that auto insurance works well unless you are in a major accident.  The only real purpose of auto insurance is major accidents.  Fender benders could be managed without insurance.

I like Americans and so wish you guys could also have single payer.  Single payer would be great even if it cost more.  The fact that it costs half as much just makes it incomprehensible as to why Americans wouldn't adopt it.  Actually the insurance companies owning politicians makes it understandable.
 
2013-08-02 11:16:40 AM  

Jairzinho: tbeatty: NewportBarGuy: Imagine if his health care were covered by a single-payer entity. He wouldn't have to beg like some homeless person.

That would be nice, right?

He'd be dead, Jim.

Oh right. The Dead Panels at the FEMA Camps.


Much like how Stephen Hawking was left to die by the British Healthcare System. Oh...
 
2013-08-02 11:18:24 AM  

Aristocles: Felgraf: To people arguing with Aristocles-

Please be warned he has admitted to not arguing in good faith, and is an *admitted* troll.

See http://www.fark.com/comments/7856783/85539614#c85539614 and http://www.fark.com/comments/7856783/85540067#c85540067  .

. Named after a man who claimed to know nothing, he seems to think he's a lot more clever than he is.

I just figure it would be akin to arguing with.. man, whoever it was with the lists, after the person accidentally outed themselves
/Only this troll is far, faaarr less clever.

Good Morning Friend,

I've added your comment to my Profile, just in case you miss a thread that I'm in. :)

Also, Socrates was the one who said something along the lines of all I know is that I know nothing.


Bah, you're right, I farked up since Aristocles refers/can refer to *PLATO*, who I've got associated with Socrates in my head.

And eh. I suppose I just don't like it when people argue completely dishonestly. Admit to playing devil's advocate? That's cool! But trolling just really rubs me the wrong way.
 
2013-08-02 11:19:24 AM  

Fart_Machine: Jairzinho: tbeatty: NewportBarGuy: Imagine if his health care were covered by a single-payer entity. He wouldn't have to beg like some homeless person.

That would be nice, right?

He'd be dead, Jim.

Oh right. The Dead Panels at the FEMA Camps.

Much like how Stephen Hawking was left to die by the British Healthcare System. Oh...


HE SAID BLACK HOLES SHOULD RADIATE INTO NOTHINGNESS, WHY SHOULDN'T HE!!???!!!

/A weak joke
//From a sad man
 
2013-08-02 11:20:04 AM  

MayoSlather: A bunch of people pooling their resources to accomplish something sounds a whole lot like evil socialism to me.


It depends on whether business or government siphons off some off the resources for its own sustenance.
 
2013-08-02 11:20:06 AM  

way south: and ignore why its costing people a hundred bucks when the doctor puts aspirin in a ketchup cup.


Because the insurance companies CONSTANTLY fark over the healthcare providers. Not only that, the "$100" in your example gets billed as $100, but then they insurance company has a manged rate that they pay at, $30, for example, and you pay no more. Occasionally, you get a bill, but that is different than the $100 aspirin getting paid out at $30, that's when stuffed is billed to the Ins company that they didn't cover in the first place, or that they only cover a certain percentage of. It really IS the insurance companies farking it all up. I had a chiropractor that used to give a discount for paying cash precisely because of his issues with insurance companies. He once supported this by showing me my initially approved 9 visits A YEAR LATER that were pre approved, yet unpaid, in violation of AZ law... They just kept ignoring his request for payment, and he is far from alone.
 
2013-08-02 11:20:09 AM  

Fart_Machine: Jairzinho: tbeatty: NewportBarGuy: Imagine if his health care were covered by a single-payer entity. He wouldn't have to beg like some homeless person.

That would be nice, right?

He'd be dead, Jim.

Oh right. The Dead Panels at the FEMA Camps.

Much like how Stephen Hawking was left to die by the British Healthcare System. Oh...


Sorta.  The IBD article was about how Stephen Hawking wouldn't be alive today if was in the UK health care system.
 
2013-08-02 11:20:39 AM  

BunkoSquad: What a uniquely American story - people pitching in to help because we refuse to pitch in to help.


farkING this!

I have never understood why people here are against single payer health. All the "arguments" just fall flat.

This nation is turning into a place where one of the best ways to get ahead is to profit off of other people's suffering. Personally, I find this notion to be very alarming. There are things in this world that you cannot refuse. Health care is one of them. I'm sure there might be some kind of obscure example but, I have never heard of anyone saying "no, that's too expensive, I think I would rather die."

There should be no such thing as:
for profit health insurance
for profit health care
for profit prisons
for profit intelligence gathering
for profit "security" contractors (mercenaries)

Every one of those makes crazy money from situations mostly out of our individual control.


Also...

Capitalist:
If I focus on myself I will benefit a lot at a potential cost to others

Socialist:
If we all contribute to each other, we will all benefit to a lesser degree

I ask you, which one is the moral ideology?
 
2013-08-02 11:20:43 AM  

Somacandra: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x281]

'I don't see what the big problem is. Uninsured people can get the care they need at the Emergency Room.'


Man, the 2012 Presidential Election is like some kind of Outrage of the Month club. Every once in a while you get this reminder of how close we were to having the cartoon personification of Monty Burns as leader of the free world.
 
2013-08-02 11:22:02 AM  

Mrbogey: Mentat: Mrbogey: It's nice to know that the compassion some people feel towards him exists only as far as they want to prove a point.

Or maybe those on the left just aren't raging sociopaths.  Maybe the Tea Baggers have spent so much time defining empathy as a vice that they don't recognize genuine human compassion.

This thread is filled with people taking delight in the suffering of another because he acted like an ass at some point in his life. And you say they're not sociopaths?

I tend not to enjoy the suffering of another person. Them being an asshole still doesn't cause me joy to see them die or suffer


Enjoying another's suffering requires the ability to feel his suffering, a. k. a. empathy.  Sociopaths cannot feel empathy.  Please stop misusing that term.
 
2013-08-02 11:22:10 AM  

Mrbogey: NewportBarGuy: Imagine if his health care were covered by a single-payer entity. He wouldn't have to beg like some homeless person.

Instead he'd have to hope for the compassion of a faceless bureaucrat properly filing and approving his request and then receive bottom tier care. Relying on your neighbors and people who genuinely care for you to help you, that's no way to go through life, I tells ya. Gov't assistance... now that's dignified.

It's nice to know that the compassion some people feel towards him exists only as far as they want to prove a point.


yes, because there are no faceless bureaucrats in private insurance who make life and death decisions about anyone's healthcare.  No, none at all.
 
2013-08-02 11:24:51 AM  

MayoSlather: spongeboob: way south: The problem is it isn't just the lack of insurance, but the outrageous pricing

Do you have a citation for this, and how do you think it should be fixed?

How's this?


Can't read at work will take a look at tonight.
 
2013-08-02 11:26:08 AM  

Mrbogey: Mentat: Mrbogey: It's nice to know that the compassion some people feel towards him exists only as far as they want to prove a point.

Or maybe those on the left just aren't raging sociopaths.  Maybe the Tea Baggers have spent so much time defining empathy as a vice that they don't recognize genuine human compassion.

This thread is filled with people taking delight in the suffering of another because he acted like an ass at some point in his life. And you say they're not sociopaths?

I tend not to enjoy the suffering of another person. Them being an asshole still doesn't cause me joy to see them die or suffer


Says the guy who threatens people on the internet. BTW, have you seen the latest evidence on fracking?
 
2013-08-02 11:28:53 AM  
I hope he gets ass cancer to go with his liver failure.

/fark him, that's why.
 
2013-08-02 11:29:29 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: tricycleracer: BarkingUnicorn: tricycleracer: Fart_Machine: Because it's totally practical to have your medical coverage by begging for donations.  I suggest you do this for the lulz.

I'm sick of getting 70 million emails each day asking me to contribute to a stranger's healthcare.  It's really inefficient if you ask me.

Much more efficient to pass a law that takes your money.  I'm serious, it is more efficient.

You think single-payer is less efficient than dozens of little health insurance fiefdoms?

You cannot read more than one sentence at a time, apparently.


My sarcasm meter was off the charts.
 
2013-08-02 11:29:51 AM  
Do they sell bootstraps in the hospital gift shop?
 
2013-08-02 11:30:00 AM  

Mrbogey: NewportBarGuy: Imagine if his health care were covered by a single-payer entity. He wouldn't have to beg like some homeless person.

Instead he'd have to hope for the compassion of a faceless bureaucrat properly filing and approving his request and then receive bottom tier care. Relying on your neighbors and people who genuinely care for you to help you, that's no way to go through life, I tells ya. Gov't assistance... now that's dignified.

It's nice to know that the compassion some people feel towards him exists only as far as they want to prove a point.


Kinda like how my mother donated her kidney to save her sister's life, only to have the GOVERNMENT drop her coverage -- into which she had paid thousands and thousands of dollars over the years -- just because she was classified as having "chronic kidney disease" as a result of her single-kidney status.

Oh, wait. That was a HUMANA bureaucrat, not a government bureaucrat.
 
2013-08-02 11:30:10 AM  
Felgraf:

Bah, you're right, I farked up since Aristocles refers/can refer to *PLATO*, who I've got associated with Socrates in my head.

And eh. I suppose I just don't like it when people argue completely dishonestly. Admit to playing devil's advocate? That's cool! But trolling just really rubs me the wrong way.


He's gotten a lot better at it the last few days.  He is really honing his craft.  His first few efforts were unconvincing, now he is moving into the "somewhat plausible" category.
 
2013-08-02 11:30:44 AM  

draypresct: spongeboob: draypresct: spongeboob: Liver failure, so is this guy a drunk, a doper or did he get Hepatitis from some random sex encounter?


I am just asking questions here.

Or cancer. Or accidental Tylenol overdose. Or a number of other causes which do not point to personal moral failings on his part.

Do you white knight everyone or just conservative bloggers?

Do you believe that it's the sick person's fault if they get sick? That being sick is a sign of personal moral failings? That perhaps we should think twice before treating them, since they're so corrupt? How about their politics - should that come into play?

Personally I believe in trying to treat people who get sick. I'm glad we're trying to move past figuring out the relative moral worth of two sick people in order to decide who lives.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-08-23/opinions/36822973_1_wi ll em-kolff-artificial-kidney-first-dialysis


Is the sick person's fault they get sick? Sometimes absolutely is, see chronic smoker especially those who continue to smoke on oxygen and multiple hospital amittance, I went down that road with my mom for 2 years before she died.

You are glad that we moved beyond moral worth before choosing who to treat between two sick people.
Okay one is serving life in prison and one is 14, if we only have money for one operation do you flip a coin, pay for half the operation for both or give neither the operation?
 
2013-08-02 11:31:02 AM  

Aristocles: No one here seems to understand that accepting charity is perfectly compatible with libertarianism. Libertarians simply believe that people shouldn't be compelled or forced to contribute to fund the health care of others.

In fact, if you think about, charity without compulsion is the only moral option. Because if you're forced to contribute, that's not a moral decision at all.


And if there had been no charity who would have paid for it? That's right. You and me. This isn't charity. It's still compelled because in the end, someone is paying for it and it's not HIM.
 
2013-08-02 11:31:13 AM  

Aristocles: No one here seems to understand that accepting charity is perfectly compatible with libertarianism. Libertarians simply believe that people shouldn't be compelled or forced to contribute to fund the health care of others.

In fact, if you think about, charity without compulsion is the only moral option. Because if you're forced to contribute, that's not a moral decision at all.



Hey new account created at the time of the height of the Zimmerman trial for trolling purposes,

Are you BojanglesPaladin's new squire?

He's our resident White Knight of Ayn Rand.
 
2013-08-02 11:32:38 AM  

BarkingUnicorn:   Sociopaths cannot feel empathy.  Please stop misusing that term.


There was an article on BBC a few days ago about a recent study showing that psychopaths have the ability to selectively emphathize with others. This may lead to some breakthrough treatment programs in the future.

Looks like this is it.
 
2013-08-02 11:32:43 AM  

Mrbogey: because he acted like an ass at some point in his life.


It was not a single incident of him acting like an ass. It was him making a career out of being an ass.

How is THAT not sociopathic behavior?
 
2013-08-02 11:33:47 AM  

mrshowrules: I like Americans and so wish you guys could also have single payer.  Single payer would be great even if it cost more.  The fact that it costs half as much just makes it incomprehensible as to why Americans wouldn't adopt it.


We don't care if it works better. It's socialism, and socialism sucks because it never works, even when it does.
 
2013-08-02 11:33:56 AM  
He should have just pulled himself up by his bootstraps and gotten a job that paid more so he could pay his own medical bills. Or maybe borrow $20,000 from his parents and start a business and provide healthcare for himself!

Sounds like a lazy taker to me.
 
2013-08-02 11:34:12 AM  

Aristocles: I don't know what sort of propaganda you've been reading, but, contrary to popular Farklib belief, there is such a thing as charity in a libertarian world view.


And I'm not sure what politicians you've voted for, but gaming the system - even a system of charity - is frowned upon by most. This guy failed to take the basic steps to insure his health, and for a cost far below what he's paying now. Libertarian government (NOT charity - that comes from people, not governments) would ignore the fark out of his medical problems.

"Bootstraps? What are those? I'll lift myself up once I've squeezed every penny from donors who are saddened by my family's state of affairs, but to pre-plan and buy insurance for $100/month? What am I a communist?"
 
2013-08-02 11:35:13 AM  

coeyagi: So, if I understand the position of the FarkDerpCons here, if you live in a small town of 120 people and you don't have insurance, you are just supposed to hope your neighbors, who in this case happen to be poor, can help you pay for your cancer treatments?

WINNING!


Or you can get someone to launch an online fundraiser for you.

I was friends with a street shoe-shiner in Denver.  His mother died; at her funeral, his brother dropped dead. Neither had life insurance.  Claude was stuck with $7600 in funeral expenses (the dumbass).

I wrote a blog post about Claude and his predicament with a Paypal donation link, tweeted the post's URL to my followers, and within 72 hours most of his problem  was solved.  I imagine today's fundraising sites would have let him retire

He's really a wonderful man, and I'm a helluva salesman. But most of all, I surround myself with kind people.  Do that and you need not fear.
 
2013-08-02 11:35:34 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Aristocles: No one here seems to understand that accepting charity is perfectly compatible with libertarianism. Libertarians simply believe that people shouldn't be compelled or forced to contribute to fund the health care of others.

In fact, if you think about, charity without compulsion is the only moral option. Because if you're forced to contribute, that's not a moral decision at all.

And if there had been no charity who would have paid for it? That's right. You and me. This isn't charity. It's still compelled because in the end, someone is paying for it and it's not HIM.


Yep. The only difference between donations and taxes is that we can choose who's worthy of our donations.

/At the end of the day, I'd rather my tax dollars go to a hateful bigot who's dying of cancer than to see my friend have to choose between dying of cancer and dying of starvation.
 
2013-08-02 11:35:51 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Aristocles: If medical costs weren't so inflated and docs were allowed to compete across state-lines, maybe his treatment would have been affordable.

And if he'd had insurance, he'd have spent his own money on the care he's now getting. (I know that's not how it works - the premium I pay today goes mostly to other peoples' claims tomorrow, and when I file a claim, their premia come to me. I'm simplifying.)

Libertarian moocher is a mooch.

Let's say he's been without insurance for the last 3 years. His portion of an employer's plan premium would have been about $951/year, or $79.25/month. For 3 years or 36 months, he chose to spend $2,853 on everything but planning for this kind of contingency. $2800 wouldn't be near enough to cover this illness, sure, but the insurance he bought with it would have, even if you figure in a $10k deductible (his goal was $25k).

Everyone who donated has financed his awful planning. Shouldn't a father of two young girls be a better life-planner? Isn't that the responsible, "family-oriented" thing to do, Libertarians?


An employer group plan costs far less than an individually purchased plan for the same coverage, even if the person purchasing it is a young, healthy individual.  He was probably unable to get decent coverage without spending a huge chunk of his salary on it.  And the cost of covering the rest of his family?  Fuggedaboutit.

Obamacare will help folks just like him.

/Single payer would be better
//Your point about piss-poor planning is a great one
///shoulda got a jerb with benefits
 
2013-08-02 11:37:13 AM  
Raharu:
Are you BojanglesPaladin's new squire?

He's our resident White Knight of Ayn Rand.


Who wouldn't jerk off to this?

media.npr.org
 
2013-08-02 11:37:36 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Libertarian government (NOT charity - that comes from people, not governments) would ignore the fark out of his medical problems.


This is true. But, under a Libertarian philosophy there's nothing wrong with giving or receiving charity, as long as it's not something compulsory.
 
2013-08-02 11:37:43 AM  
thinkprogress.org

No one likes you, Caleb Howe.

edwardg.files.wordpress.com

Everyone but Caleb Howe likes him.

EABOD and DIAF, Caleb Howe.

//bootstraps, however, may save you from munching on those cocks and escaping that fire, so get pulling!
 
2013-08-02 11:38:02 AM  

Perlin Noise: This nation is turning into a place where one of the best ways to get ahead is to profit off of other people's suffering.


I've remarked for years that the commodity being priced/traded/purchased in the current system is not health care, it is the patients themselves.  The consumers are the insurance companies and health care providers, the commodity are the patients.  It is an aberration of capitalism.
 
2013-08-02 11:38:26 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
"This blogger goes to the hospital and the blogger community foots the bill.
Did anyone help him out? NO!"
 
2013-08-02 11:39:54 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: coeyagi: So, if I understand the position of the FarkDerpCons here, if you live in a small town of 120 people and you don't have insurance, you are just supposed to hope your neighbors, who in this case happen to be poor, can help you pay for your cancer treatments?

WINNING!

Or you can get someone to launch an online fundraiser for you.

I was friends with a street shoe-shiner in Denver.  His mother died; at her funeral, his brother dropped dead. Neither had life insurance.  Claude was stuck with $7600 in funeral expenses (the dumbass).

I wrote a blog post about Claude and his predicament with a Paypal donation link, tweeted the post's URL to my followers, and within 72 hours most of his problem  was solved.  I imagine today's fundraising sites would have let him retire

He's really a wonderful man, and I'm a helluva salesman. But most of all, I surround myself with kind people.  Do that and you need not fear.


Funeral expenses < Medical expenses.

Did not read the rest, no need going down the rabbit hole of derp further.  The point is, what the f*ck is the big deal?  Everyone pay into a god damn system and we'll be fine.  Those evil socialist countries (with higher standards of living) seem to be doing just fine.
 
2013-08-02 11:40:11 AM  

tbeatty: Per capita, the U.S has about 2-3x the number of MRI machines per capita than European countries with single payer.  (the only machine I have data for).  All those machines are used and set by demand.  How come the discrepancy?


Because people live two or three times closer together in tiny little European countries, and thus don't need as many machines to have one close enough to travel to?
 
2013-08-02 11:40:58 AM  

steveGswine: tbeatty: Per capita, the U.S has about 2-3x the number of MRI machines per capita than European countries with single payer.  (the only machine I have data for).  All those machines are used and set by demand.  How come the discrepancy?

Because people live two or three times closer together in tiny little European countries, and thus don't need as many machines to have one close enough to travel to?


They're also healthier.
 
2013-08-02 11:42:20 AM  

MSFT: BarkingUnicorn:   Sociopaths cannot feel empathy.  Please stop misusing that term.

There was an article on BBC a few days ago about a recent study showing that psychopaths have the ability to selectively emphathize with others. This may lead to some breakthrough treatment programs in the future.

Looks like this is it.


I read it via Fark earlier; I don't buy it.  Subjects have empathy and feel compassion (the urge to act upon empathy to relieve another's suffering).  They are not sociopaths; they simply resist the urge to express empathy, compassion, and kindness when they believe doing so will make them feel better, e. g,  get some strokes from the researchers, and express empathy, compassion, and kindness when they believe doing so will make them feel better.  Standard normal behavior, not sociopathic. Researchers are  misinterpreting their observations.
 
2013-08-02 11:42:34 AM  
coeyagi:  Everyone pay into a god damn system and we'll be fine.  Those evil socialist countries (with higher standards of living) seem to be doing just fine.

I have you tagged as "sane".
It may not seem like much, but you should see what some of the others are tagged as.
 
2013-08-02 11:44:09 AM  

coeyagi: BarkingUnicorn: coeyagi: So, if I understand the position of the FarkDerpCons here, if you live in a small town of 120 people and you don't have insurance, you are just supposed to hope your neighbors, who in this case happen to be poor, can help you pay for your cancer treatments?

WINNING!

Or you can get someone to launch an online fundraiser for you.

I was friends with a street shoe-shiner in Denver.  His mother died; at her funeral, his brother dropped dead. Neither had life insurance.  Claude was stuck with $7600 in funeral expenses (the dumbass).

I wrote a blog post about Claude and his predicament with a Paypal donation link, tweeted the post's URL to my followers, and within 72 hours most of his problem  was solved.  I imagine today's fundraising sites would have let him retire

He's really a wonderful man, and I'm a helluva salesman. But most of all, I surround myself with kind people.  Do that and you need not fear.

Funeral expenses < Medical expenses.

Did not read the rest, no need going down the rabbit hole of derp further.  The point is, what the f*ck is the big deal?  Everyone pay into a god damn system and we'll be fine.  Those evil socialist countries (with higher standards of living) seem to be doing just fine.


I can't be bother with people who can't be bothered.  Next, please!
 
2013-08-02 11:45:06 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: coeyagi: BarkingUnicorn: coeyagi: So, if I understand the position of the FarkDerpCons here, if you live in a small town of 120 people and you don't have insurance, you are just supposed to hope your neighbors, who in this case happen to be poor, can help you pay for your cancer treatments?

WINNING!

Or you can get someone to launch an online fundraiser for you.

I was friends with a street shoe-shiner in Denver.  His mother died; at her funeral, his brother dropped dead. Neither had life insurance.  Claude was stuck with $7600 in funeral expenses (the dumbass).

I wrote a blog post about Claude and his predicament with a Paypal donation link, tweeted the post's URL to my followers, and within 72 hours most of his problem  was solved.  I imagine today's fundraising sites would have let him retire

He's really a wonderful man, and I'm a helluva salesman. But most of all, I surround myself with kind people.  Do that and you need not fear.

Funeral expenses < Medical expenses.

Did not read the rest, no need going down the rabbit hole of derp further.  The point is, what the f*ck is the big deal?  Everyone pay into a god damn system and we'll be fine.  Those evil socialist countries (with higher standards of living) seem to be doing just fine.

I can't be bother with people who can't be bothered.  Next, please!


I just read the rest.  My original point stands that your analogy seemed to be derived from copious usage of crack-cocaine.
 
2013-08-02 11:46:09 AM  
So instead of paying for insurance, he's begging other people to pay it for him?

Sounds like a conservative to me.
 
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