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(Think Progress)   Uninsured conservative blogger in hospital with liver failure. Liberal and conservative bloggers band together to raise money for his medical bills. Good job guys, now just 45 million more to go   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 441
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2013-08-02 10:06:57 AM  

Mugato: stoli n coke: If he's an alcoholic, unless he's very rich or famous, the odds of him getting a transplant are pretty slim.

How can they prove he's an alcoholic?

/may be relevant to my interests someday



Well, according to some farkers, he seemed to have more than a few blogs about his enjoyment of heavy drinking. That won't help his case if doctors get wind of it.
 
2013-08-02 10:07:22 AM  

draypresct: spongeboob: Liver failure, so is this guy a drunk, a doper or did he get Hepatitis from some random sex encounter?


I am just asking questions here.

Or cancer. Or accidental Tylenol overdose. Or a number of other causes which do not point to personal moral failings on his part.


I don't believe that the original poster was being judgmental, but rather mocking the judgmentalism that is so common amongst conservative bloggers.

I don't care why he got sick.  I want to know why he did not have health insurance especially since he has young children.
 
2013-08-02 10:07:35 AM  
I have known two really decent human beings who have dropped dead before the age of 35. Both had families and took good care of themselves. One of them could of possible lived if he had insurance. My question is, would this guy have compassion and sympathy for a liberal in his shoes. I'm not so sure.

I'll use my money here ( great guy, had rare heart abnormality and died after exercising) -

http://cadmf.org/events/
 
2013-08-02 10:08:01 AM  

Fart_Machine: Because it's totally practical to have your medical coverage by begging for donations.  I suggest you do this for the lulz.


I'm sick of getting 70 million emails each day asking me to contribute to a stranger's healthcare.  It's really inefficient if you ask me.
 
2013-08-02 10:08:07 AM  

Graffito: So why didn't this bootstrappy fellow have insurance?


He has insurance:  his reputation, which can be funded without money and converted to money at need.

Don't you watch evangelical TV?  You can see it in action there.
 
2013-08-02 10:08:14 AM  

Chummer45: No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.


We are Donne here.
 
2013-08-02 10:08:47 AM  

doyner: Mrbogey: Instead he'd have to hope for the compassion of a faceless bureaucrat properly filing and approving his request and then receive bottom tier care

He should have given Aetna or Aflac, or Providence, or Humana thousands of his bootstrappy dollars over the years so some faceless corporate accountant could rescind his policy for not disclosing he had acne in high school.


Flawless victory.
 
2013-08-02 10:09:32 AM  

Mrbogey: It's nice to know that the compassion some people feel towards him exists only as far as they want to prove a point.


Or maybe those on the left just aren't raging sociopaths.  Maybe the Tea Baggers have spent so much time defining empathy as a vice that they don't recognize genuine human compassion.
 
2013-08-02 10:10:18 AM  

Rann Xerox: We are Donne here.


every man is an island

-john derppe
 
2013-08-02 10:10:56 AM  

tricycleracer: Fart_Machine: Because it's totally practical to have your medical coverage by begging for donations.  I suggest you do this for the lulz.

I'm sick of getting 70 million emails each day asking me to contribute to a stranger's healthcare.  It's really inefficient if you ask me.


Much more efficient to pass a law that takes your money.  I'm serious, it is more efficient.
 
2013-08-02 10:11:51 AM  
By helping him this is just going to validate his anti-single payer screed.  I say we treat him like a conservative and ask him to pray, pay and/or GTFO of the hospital if he can't afford treatment for his illness.
 
2013-08-02 10:12:33 AM  

Mentat: Mrbogey: It's nice to know that the compassion some people feel towards him exists only as far as they want to prove a point.

Or maybe those on the left just aren't raging sociopaths.  Maybe the Tea Baggers have spent so much time defining empathy as a vice that they don't recognize genuine human compassion.


Whoever misuses that word first loses.  Take a seat over there.
 
2013-08-02 10:12:34 AM  

stoli n coke: BSABSVR: I can't wait until he recovers from his transplant enough to start blogging about how people who can't pay their own way through life are trash who deserve utter scorn, and how medical bankruptcy is a myth because hey, he got a liver transplant and doesn't owe jack shiat but a smile and a hug.

If he's an alcoholic, unless he's very rich or famous, the odds of him getting a transplant are pretty slim.


True, but dumb tweets about vodka don't make you an alcoholic.
 
2013-08-02 10:13:15 AM  

BSABSVR: stoli n coke: BSABSVR: I can't wait until he recovers from his transplant enough to start blogging about how people who can't pay their own way through life are trash who deserve utter scorn, and how medical bankruptcy is a myth because hey, he got a liver transplant and doesn't owe jack shiat but a smile and a hug.

If he's an alcoholic, unless he's very rich or famous, the odds of him getting a transplant are pretty slim.

True, but dumb tweets about vodka don't make you an alcoholic.


They  do if you read enough of them.
 
2013-08-02 10:13:43 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: tricycleracer: Fart_Machine: Because it's totally practical to have your medical coverage by begging for donations.  I suggest you do this for the lulz.

I'm sick of getting 70 million emails each day asking me to contribute to a stranger's healthcare.  It's really inefficient if you ask me.

Much more efficient to pass a law that takes your money.  I'm serious, it is more efficient.


You think single-payer is less efficient than dozens of little health insurance fiefdoms?
 
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2013-08-02 10:14:59 AM  

Aristocles: If medical costs weren't so inflated and docs were allowed to compete across state-lines, maybe his treatment would have been affordable.


Docs aren't allowed to compete across state lines?  Where did you get that?
 
2013-08-02 10:15:03 AM  
Because Howe doesn't have health insurance, he and his family are worried that they won't be able to handle the impending bills

Not very bootstrappy, if you ask me....

Sure, this seems like a nice story about people putting aside their differences and helping out a fellow human being. First, though, I think we need to circulate a few of the things he has said, most notable what he had to say about Roger Ebert when HE was dying of cancer. These need to go directly to his family, so that they will personally know what it's like. After that, MAYBE the "Socialists" of the country could help this guy out. Apparently he got faulty bootstraps...

Seriously, what a farking douche.

Yeah, let's lob a couple of these around(With the name changed), and then see how long until the Conservative Blogosphere starts whining about "attacks" on this "poor man". Then we could RE-circulate them with the original names thrown in and enjoy the crickets...

www.sarawakreport.org

This is why the professional bloggers need to think a little more deeply about what they say. I'll give as many shiats for his suffering as he gave for someone else's.
 
2013-08-02 10:18:13 AM  
Prediction: this blogger will conclude that it was his hard work that got him those donations. After all, had he not been a prominent conservative blogger but instead some homeless person, even liberals wouldn't have banded together to save him.
 
2013-08-02 10:18:29 AM  

Jackson Herring: Rann Xerox: We are Donne here.

every man is an island

-john derppe


And, when the bell tolls, who the hell cares?  It wasn't me.
 
2013-08-02 10:21:57 AM  
www.sarawakreport.org

Donate 20 dollars and get a framed printout of his hateful posts!
 
2013-08-02 10:22:36 AM  

vygramul: Prediction: this blogger will conclude that it was his hard work that got him those donations. After all, had he not been a prominent conservative blogger but instead some homeless person, even liberals wouldn't have banded together to save him.


It's the free market at work.
 
2013-08-02 10:22:39 AM  
Waste of money.
 
2013-08-02 10:24:05 AM  

Mikey1969: This is why the professional bloggers need to think a little more deeply about what they say. I'll give as many shiats for his suffering as he gave for someone else's.


After reading those, I'm kinda hoping his caretakers "misplace" his painkillers.

And his chemotherapeutics.

And give his transplant liver to the new resident surgeon, Dr. Lecter
 
2013-08-02 10:24:13 AM  

Mrbogey: It's nice to know that the compassion some people feel towards him exists only as far as they want to prove a point.


Having read what this guy wrote about Roger Ebert when HE was dying from cancer, this guy can fark off.

/And die...
//He gets THAT much "sympathy", the same amount that he was willing to give. It's only fair.
 
2013-08-02 10:24:49 AM  

way south: The problem is it isn't just the lack of insurance, but the outrageous pricing


Do you have a citation for this, and how do you think it should be fixed?

And lack of insurance or under insurance is one of the components of why pricing is high, especially with hospitals.
A person with no insurance and no means of paying for health care negelects treating a simple health matter and ends up in the ER, the person can't pay and the hospital has to absorb that, but the hospital can't just eat that expense the next person in line pays more to help defray the uninsured's cost.  The only way you can stop that is to be okay with people letting people drop dead in the street.

What about other ways to constrain cost, well then you are going to have to talk about Real Honest to God Death Panels.  The majority of health care costs are at the end of life, should we be doing EVERYTHING to keep granny alive for one more Christmas?

How about miracle stories, a baby born at 24 weeks is going to require a buttload of expensive medical care.  How about some 24 year old who is involved in a major trauma and is saved when a few years ago they would have died.  The miracle drug/operation/therapy that saved them requires not only the sigificant expense of the current treatment but R&D costs.  And both of theses examples will probably have significant residual costs.
 
2013-08-02 10:24:50 AM  
As if I needed any more reason to loathe this farker, he's a filthy hypocrite, as well.

http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/08/28/respect-the-dead/
 
2013-08-02 10:27:29 AM  
My friend's dad had liver failure and a liver replacement.  Lucky enough to have a donor (motorcycle accident) before it was too late.

It cost him and his family absolutely nothing.  Nice thing about living in Canada.
 
2013-08-02 10:29:17 AM  

Headso: [www.sarawakreport.org image 506x376]

Donate 20 dollars and get a framed printout of his hateful posts!


I was all set to punch the cirrhosis out of Howe's fat liver, but then I remembered. And I was like ... sweet!
 
2013-08-02 10:29:20 AM  

vernonFL: A conservative blogger who badmouthed another person dying of cancer just a few short years ago is now dying of cancer and needs health insurance.

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]


FTFY, I just think it rounds out the whole thing better.
 
2013-08-02 10:29:34 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Everyone who donated has financed his awful planning. Shouldn't a father of two young girls be a better life-planner? Isn't that the responsible, "family-oriented" thing to do, Libertarians?


I now wonder where his daughters get their insurance from.
 
2013-08-02 10:29:53 AM  
Is there any way we can get the tax man involved here? Treat this as bonus income.
 
2013-08-02 10:31:39 AM  
He's probably blaming Obamacare for not having insurance.
 
2013-08-02 10:32:19 AM  

tricycleracer: BarkingUnicorn: tricycleracer: Fart_Machine: Because it's totally practical to have your medical coverage by begging for donations.  I suggest you do this for the lulz.

I'm sick of getting 70 million emails each day asking me to contribute to a stranger's healthcare.  It's really inefficient if you ask me.

Much more efficient to pass a law that takes your money.  I'm serious, it is more efficient.

You think single-payer is less efficient than dozens of little health insurance fiefdoms?


You cannot read more than one sentence at a time, apparently.
 
2013-08-02 10:34:24 AM  
Here is where I stop and wonder about the mandate to buy insurance. One of my biggest beefs with Obamacare is that it requires you to buy health insurance. Outside of a basic set of what's covered, you could be boned on things like this, anyway. You still pick what your coverage outside of the basics are covered, especially since the states get to decide a lot of what should be covered within their borders.

Hit depression? Sorry, your insurance doesn't cover that kind of mental health issue because your state hates you. Start drinking from the depression and kill your liver? Sorry, that's "personal responsibility" because your state hates you.

This could, conceivably, happen to a Liberal blogger who would delight in the horrible death of Glenn Beck when it happened. See, that's the scary part. Even if this blogger had done everything right, he still might be up a crick without a paddle and need to turn to blogger friends to pay for it.

I wish the Republicans would follow through with the threatened repeal of Obamacare so that a real health-care payment (only) system could be implemented.
 
2013-08-02 10:34:33 AM  

Lorelle: After reading what this asshole said about cancer-stricken Roger Ebert three years ago, I couldn't care less about his suffering.

RedState blogger Howe mocks Roger Ebert's cancer, adds, "So f**k him"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/05/08/redstate-blogger-howe-mocks-r o ger-eberts-cancer/164397

[Link is posted separately because for some reason, I can't post it using HTML]

Karma's a biatch.


I read that stuff.  Thanks. I think he has to be one or the most horrible people ever.  Even at that, I don't wish him death/suffering.  As a rule I don't do this because of karma and stuff.  However, I would not be surprised by others not giving a shiat about him.
 
2013-08-02 10:34:36 AM  
So, if everybody chips in a little bit for people they don't' even know, people in need will get the services they need without bankrupting themselves.   Interesting concept.
 
2013-08-02 10:34:59 AM  

born_yesterday: Mikey1969: This is why the professional bloggers need to think a little more deeply about what they say. I'll give as many shiats for his suffering as he gave for someone else's.

After reading those, I'm kinda hoping his caretakers "misplace" his painkillers.

And his chemotherapeutics.

And give his transplant liver to the new resident surgeon, Dr. Lecter


Yep... I'm all for helping out, even those I dislike or disagree with. I can't be as charitable when Karma has driven up in an Abrams tank to have a conversation with that person though...
 
2013-08-02 10:35:33 AM  

Mikey1969: This is why the professional bloggers need to think a little more deeply about what they say. I'll give as many shiats for his suffering as he gave for someone else's.


In a just world, he'd get the care he needs, followed by someone presenting him with that record, on-camera, and waiting for his tearful apology. Either that, or tell him that his care was paid for by "Friends of Ebert".

Of course, Ebert's already dead, so apologize to his tombstone and see if you get forgiveness. Ass.
 
2013-08-02 10:35:41 AM  

BSABSVR: I can't wait until he recovers from his transplant enough to start blogging about how people who can't pay their own way through life are trash who deserve utter scorn, and how medical bankruptcy is a myth because hey, he got a liver transplant and doesn't owe jack shiat but a smile and a hug.


You don't really recover form a liver transplant, it is a daily diet of anti-rejection medications that have other side effects. Some people afterwards wish they had just gone gently into that good night.

draypresct: spongeboob: Liver failure, so is this guy a drunk, a doper or did he get Hepatitis from some random sex encounter?


I am just asking questions here.

Or cancer. Or accidental Tylenol overdose. Or a number of other causes which do not point to personal moral failings on his part.


Do you white knight everyone or just conservative bloggers?
 
2013-08-02 10:35:54 AM  

Great_Milenko: So, if everybody chips in a little bit for people they don't' even know, people in need will get the services they need without bankrupting themselves. Interesting concept.


Yeah, but apparently that's the same as going around and mugging everyone or something
 
2013-08-02 10:36:19 AM  
ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2013-08-02 10:37:22 AM  

pigeonstopper: I hope the more conservative people of the country will eventually realize that helping to pay or the healthcare of another person is the basis of socialized medicine.

If you donate money to an uninsured person, you are literally practicing the system you abhor.


The only difference is for-profit oversight versus democratic not-for-profit oversight.
 
2013-08-02 10:37:38 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Imagine if his health care were covered by a single-payer entity. He wouldn't have to beg like some homeless person.

That would be nice, right?


He'd be dead, Jim.
 
2013-08-02 10:39:10 AM  

Lorelle: After reading what this asshole said about cancer-stricken Roger Ebert three years ago, I couldn't care less about his suffering.

RedState blogger Howe mocks Roger Ebert's cancer, adds, "So f**k him"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/05/08/redstate-blogger-howe-mocks-r o ger-eberts-cancer/164397

[Link is posted separately because for some reason, I can't post it using HTML]

Karma's a biatch.


It's okay.  They said liberal sites carried the story, not that they gave anything.  Sort of like taxes, donations are for the rich.
 
2013-08-02 10:40:14 AM  
Why is no one thinking of the children here?

Are they better off being raised by an apparent alcoholic with now chronic health problems or would they be better off if dad dies and their mom marries some healthy guy or maybe we should just offer them up for adoption to a traditional family.  There are stated to be beatiful in the article and this dude looks white so it shouldn't be hard to find a good family for them.
 
2013-08-02 10:41:30 AM  

spongeboob: Why is no one thinking of the children here?

Are they better off being raised by an apparent alcoholic with now chronic health problems or would they be better off if dad dies and their mom marries some healthy guy or maybe we should just offer them up for adoption to a traditional family.  There are stated to be beatiful in the article and this dude looks white so it shouldn't be hard to find a good family for them.


Send them to a FEMA camp for reeducation.
 
2013-08-02 10:41:57 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Also reminds me a little of this: http://www.savewalterwhite.com/


Wow... I don't even watch the show and I found this to be awesome. Who set this up, is it a cool spoof by AMC?
 
2013-08-02 10:43:25 AM  

spongeboob: Why is no one thinking of the children here?

Are they better off being raised by an apparent alcoholic with now chronic health problems or would they be better off if dad dies and their mom marries some healthy guy or maybe we should just offer them up for adoption to a traditional family.  There are stated to be beatiful in the article and this dude looks white so it shouldn't be hard to find a good family for them.


Somebody should have sex with his wife during her husband's painful recovery. She's probably lonely.
 
2013-08-02 10:44:42 AM  

spongeboob: Why is no one thinking of the children here?


Indeed. How much could they fetch on the open market? That would go a long way towards paying these bills that their deadbeat dad is racking up.
 
2013-08-02 10:45:03 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: spongeboob: Why is no one thinking of the children here?

Are they better off being raised by an apparent alcoholic with now chronic health problems or would they be better off if dad dies and their mom marries some healthy guy or maybe we should just offer them up for adoption to a traditional family.  There are stated to be beatiful in the article and this dude looks white so it shouldn't be hard to find a good family for them.

Somebody should have sex with his wife during her husband's painful recovery. She's probably lonely.


I hear Newt Gingrich is available
 
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