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2013-08-01 08:53:41 PM  
Frank Miller's response:

i14.photobucket.com

www.amptoons.com
 
2013-08-01 09:45:59 PM  
Frank Miller's done nothing particularly interesting or original since the early 90s.
 
2013-08-01 10:08:10 PM  
Step 1: Don't let Zack Snyder do it.
Step 2: Get ANYBODY ELSE.

I enjoy the movies he directs, not so much the movies he writes.

How you can make a movie based entirely around hot chicks doing fights scenes with detailed CGI monsters and robots to thumping techno-rock music and still have it turn out to be one of the dullest films of the decade is beyond me.

/ the title Sucker Punch was about eight characters too long
// 300 was okay, but technically somebody else wrote it first
 
2013-08-01 10:11:13 PM  
What a Synder fella

www.filmsofevillights.org
 
2013-08-01 10:11:25 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: After all the DC hate by Marvel Fanboys, it's going to be so farking awesome watching this movie become the highest grossing superhero movie of all time.


First week success, failure soon thereafter.

No way does it become the highest grossing superhero movie, especially since everything people enjoyed about the Batman movies will be gone.
 
2013-08-01 10:11:38 PM  
I just found out today they did an animated version of the Dark Knight returns.  Watched a couple of clips on youtube.  it's nearly a copy of the book.  The voices suck though.
 
2013-08-01 10:12:26 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: After all the DC hate by Marvel Fanboys, it's going to be so farking awesome watching this movie become the highest grossing superhero movie of all time.


Avengers 2 comes out the same summer, it'll be interesting to see how close they are scheduled next to each other.  Marvel has a lot of films coming out to keep interest in their universe between now and then, I can't think of any for DC.

/excited for all super hero movies!
//just make me a god damn Omega Red movie
 
2013-08-01 10:12:32 PM  
skozlaw:How you can make a movie based entirely around hot chicks doing fights scenes with detailed CGI monsters and robots to thumping techno-rock music and still have it turn out to be one of the dullest films of the decade is beyond me.

I'm so tired of people shiatting on Sucker Punch. It wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be.

I wish I could live in a world where people thought the stuff in Sucker Punch was boring, because the stuff that they find awesome must be absolutely insane.
 
2013-08-01 10:15:37 PM  
I'm happier if miller wasn't involved. Also is this thread where I say it will suck for no reason?
 
2013-08-01 10:16:20 PM  
Give it to Whedon and it'll be a masterpiece.

Nuff said.
 
2013-08-01 10:20:20 PM  

trapped-in-CH: I just found out today they did an animated version of the Dark Knight returns.  Watched a couple of clips on youtube.  it's nearly a copy of the book.  The voices suck though.


It's pretty good. I thought the voices were okay. RoboCop was Batman and Linus from Lost was The Joker.
 
2013-08-01 10:21:08 PM  
Yeah, I'm sure a moron and a fascist will make a phenominal writing team. *jerk-off motion*
 
2013-08-01 10:21:56 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Frank Miller's response:

[i14.photobucket.com image 244x327]

[www.amptoons.com image 500x745]


I'll get the lights and turn on the Bat Signal on my way out.
 
2013-08-01 10:22:20 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: After all the DC hate by Marvel Fanboys, it's going to be so farking awesome watching this movie become the highest grossing superhero movie of all time.


Warner Brothers isn't making it?
 
2013-08-01 10:23:08 PM  

Keywork99: I'm so tired of people shiatting on Sucker Punch. It wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be.

I wish I could live in a world where people thought the stuff in Sucker Punch was boring, because the stuff that they find awesome must be absolutely insane.


You're in the minority for a reason. Most people found it boring.

The visuals alone? No, they were awesome. I especially like the pseudo-German trench warfare fight.

The music? Hell no, it was cool. I still look up the Bjork song from the first fight on Youtube when the fancy strikes.

But the movie as a whole, all its elements combined?

zZzzzzzzzzzz.......

It just doesn't work. The characters are just shallow and one-dimensional, the story is gibberish and the whole thing is too long. The opening scene was great, but the rest of the movie just didn't do anything interesting with it.
 
2013-08-01 10:24:38 PM  

RexTalionis: Frank Miller's done nothing particularly interesting or original since the early 90s.


Not so. All-Star Batman and Robin featured Miller as the devil from the Simpsons stuffing Homer's maw with donuts, except replace Homer with juvenile fanboys and donuts with "all the sick perverted fantasies they have about grim gritty Batman."
 
2013-08-01 10:33:05 PM  

trapped-in-CH: I just found out today they did an animated version of the Dark Knight returns.  Watched a couple of clips on youtube.  it's nearly a copy of the book.  The voices suck though.


The voice actors hit most of the more memorable lines pretty well all in all.  But there are definitely some stretches where they seemed to be mailing it in, especially Robocop.
 
2013-08-01 10:34:43 PM  

skozlaw: The characters are just shallow and one-dimensional...


I always saw the five girls as a different aspect of the main character's personality (Babydoll being innocence, Sweet Pea being wisdom and maturity, Rocket being the feisty, fiery attitude, Blondie being insecurity [with her betraying the group to Blue in the end], and Amber being secure in sexuality). I don't know how many others saw it that way, personally (I heard some people say each girl was supposed to represent five different aspects of feminism), but that's just one thought. They're really just ciphers for the viewer to relate to. You can say that is shallow and one-dimensional, but I thought it was incredibly interesting.

...the story is gibberish...

The story is not that hard to understand and follow. People say they don't get it, and I don't understand how they can't. It's very straightforward as long as you pay attention.

...and the whole thing is too long.

It wasn't even two hours. But I suppose if you don't like something it can feel like a long time. Personally, I felt it could have gone longer.

I personally don't mind if someone didn't like it - I mean, you're free to dislike whatever you want. But my point is that people really overstate how bad they think it is. There are far worse films out there. Hell, there were a bunch of films released the same year that were worse.
 
2013-08-01 10:34:52 PM  
bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too
 
2013-08-01 10:35:19 PM  
So it will be a thinly-veiled fascist fantasy play?
 
2013-08-01 10:43:06 PM  

trapped-in-CH: I just found out today they did an animated version of the Dark Knight returns.  Watched a couple of clips on youtube.  it's nearly a copy of the book.  The voices suck though.


Agreed. Peter Weller does not do a good Batman. Kevin Conroy 4 Life.

/Plus they removed the narration, which is where some of the best lines are.
 
2013-08-01 10:50:31 PM  

YodaBlues: Agreed. Peter Weller does not do a good Batman. Kevin Conroy 4 Life


Nobody beats Conroy, but I got to say that I was pleasantly surprised with Diedrich Bader's go at it.
 
2013-08-01 10:56:04 PM  
I'm waiting for the superhero thing to burn itself out, but it's staying out there, kinda like the zombie thing.

Oh!  Zombie Superman vs. Zombie Batman.

Or Superman vs. Batman vs. Zombies.  Give me my money.
 
2013-08-01 10:57:02 PM  
Zack Synder?
 
2013-08-01 11:00:10 PM  

Keywork99: People say they don't get it


I didn't say that, I said it was gibberish. Specifically, it was inane and boring gibberish. I get it, I just don't like it because I think it's shallow, pointless and it drags a silly little one-off skit out over too many segments that don't lead to an interesting conclusion. There's basically one scene repeated four times with different visuals as the meat of the movie and, I'm sorry, but if I wanted that I'd go play a video game that offers it.

Keywork99: There are far worse films out there


I didn't say it was the worst film I've ever seen, I'm just saying it was boring and Zack Snyder can't write a screenplay for shiat. It's not Caligula, but it earned it's bad reviews nonetheless.

/ shallow and pedantic, much like your cooking
 
2013-08-01 11:00:51 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I'm waiting for the superhero thing to burn itself out, but it's staying out there, kinda like the zombie thing.

Oh!  Zombie Superman vs. Zombie Batman.

Or Superman vs. Batman vs. Zombies.  Give me my money.


Been done, or near enough.
 
2013-08-01 11:01:44 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I'm waiting for the superhero thing to burn itself out, but it's staying out there, kinda like the zombie thing.

Oh!  Zombie Superman vs. Zombie Batman.

Or Superman vs. Batman vs. Zombies.  Give me my money.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
YOU GET NOTHING! GOOD DAY SIR!
 
2013-08-01 11:02:01 PM  
bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-01 11:02:28 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I'm waiting for the superhero thing to burn itself out, but it's staying out there, kinda like the zombie thing.

Oh!  Zombie Superman vs. Zombie Batman.

Or Superman vs. Batman vs. Zombies.  Give me my money.


I have some really bad news for you....

./ Solomon Grundy alone comes pretty close to satisfying a lot of that comments....
 
2013-08-01 11:18:46 PM  

Keywork99: skozlaw: The characters are just shallow and one-dimensional...

I always saw the five girls as a different aspect of the main character's personality (Babydoll being innocence, Sweet Pea being wisdom and maturity, Rocket being the feisty, fiery attitude, Blondie being insecurity [with her betraying the group to Blue in the end], and Amber being secure in sexuality). I don't know how many others saw it that way, personally (I heard some people say each girl was supposed to represent five different aspects of feminism), but that's just one thought. They're really just ciphers for the viewer to relate to. You can say that is shallow and one-dimensional, but I thought it was incredibly interesting.

...the story is gibberish...

The story is not that hard to understand and follow. People say they don't get it, and I don't understand how they can't. It's very straightforward as long as you pay attention.

...and the whole thing is too long.

It wasn't even two hours. But I suppose if you don't like something it can feel like a long time. Personally, I felt it could have gone longer.

I personally don't mind if someone didn't like it - I mean, you're free to dislike whatever you want. But my point is that people really overstate how bad they think it is. There are far worse films out there. Hell, there were a bunch of films released the same year that were worse.


The problem with the movie is that with most everything happening in a character's head, there are no stakes to what happens onscreen. It's literally full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. With no stakes, you have a boring story.
 
2013-08-01 11:20:07 PM  
I was glad to hear that they were going for a more mature,seasoned Batman for this new DC universe archetype.  If the intent is to set the table for a JL movie Batman needs to be the sage of the group. The tactician and leader. That's what he brings to the table. Like Cap in the Avengers when he started calling the shots that's when the team became effective. He knew what each of their strengths were and how to best use them. Bats also brings the paranoia needed to plan for all contingencies. Where Supes is the boy scout who always looks for the bright side, Bats always prepares for the worst.
 
2013-08-01 11:23:46 PM  
Remember Frank Miller wrote this gem:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-01 11:24:22 PM  
And by "gem" I mean "turd"
 
2013-08-01 11:26:29 PM  

HeartBurnKid: /the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.


His run on daredevil in the 80s was good.  Liked the cadence of his sentences and how he punctuated with action beats, before the style became parodied.  The edgy tone of the storylines was a nice counter to others at the time with characters visiting old aunts and stressing about rent.

Animated DKR was fun, they hit more than enough good notes to excuse the one or two places where text-to-screen fell a bit short.
 
2013-08-01 11:28:02 PM  

HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too


Don't forget Ronin and the great work he did with Daredevil and wolverine but his first foray into films really sucked. I mean who gives Robocop wings?
 
2013-08-01 11:30:23 PM  

hipstermonk: HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too

Don't forget Ronin and the great work he did with Daredevil and wolverine but his first foray into films really sucked. I mean who gives Robocop wings?


Jetpack-RoboCop fighting twin robot samurai?  I'd buy that for a dollar.

/probably not more than a dollar, though.
 
2013-08-01 11:34:43 PM  

Hobodeluxe:


Damn I loved that scene so much. People tend to forget the reason batman could beat superman is because he's a dirty, rotten, cheating bastard, and superman isn't.
 
2013-08-01 11:39:16 PM  

HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too


Daredevil Born Again was outstanding.

Daredevil Man Without Fear?  Sucked.

And Frank Miller has become a paranoid, psychotic asshole.  A real douche bag, as well as a shiatty writer.
 
2013-08-01 11:41:16 PM  
Really? I'm going to have to be the one who says it?

Bruce Timm and Paul Dini!!!

/while I'll admit I'm not always a big fan of their darker take on the DC Universe, they are hands down better than Frank Miller
//the only better authority would be Zombie Bob Kane
 
2013-08-01 11:41:47 PM  
Lol. Love it. Farkers hacking on Miller's Batman? Of all human beings on the planet, Miller understands Batman better than anyone. Arguments to the contrary are risable at best. Even All Star Batman and Robin was more original, more groundbreaking than anything since. Scott Snyder writes a good story, but he's nowhere near Miller's level.
 
2013-08-01 11:43:16 PM  
Frank Miller is among the best in the game who've ever lived, so its always fun and intriguing to watch people try and tear him down.
 
2013-08-01 11:43:26 PM  

RexTalionis: Frank Miller's done nothing particularly interesting or original since the early 90s.


Sin City was good.  I don't remember much about the plot, but it had a very cool visual style.  I think there's another Sin City movie in the works right now as well.
 
2013-08-01 11:44:50 PM  

Keywork99: skozlaw: The characters are just shallow and one-dimensional...

I always saw the five girls as a different aspect of the main character's personality (Babydoll being innocence, Sweet Pea being wisdom and maturity, Rocket being the feisty, fiery attitude, Blondie being insecurity [with her betraying the group to Blue in the end], and Amber being secure in sexuality). I don't know how many others saw it that way, personally (I heard some people say each girl was supposed to represent five different aspects of feminism), but that's just one thought. They're really just ciphers for the viewer to relate to. You can say that is shallow and one-dimensional, but I thought it was incredibly interesting.

...the story is gibberish...

The story is not that hard to understand and follow. People say they don't get it, and I don't understand how they can't. It's very straightforward as long as you pay attention.

...and the whole thing is too long.

It wasn't even two hours. But I suppose if you don't like something it can feel like a long time. Personally, I felt it could have gone longer.

I personally don't mind if someone didn't like it - I mean, you're free to dislike whatever you want. But my point is that people really overstate how bad they think it is. There are far worse films out there. Hell, there were a bunch of films released the same year that were worse.


I tried explaining this yesterday, the plebs would have none of it.
 
2013-08-01 11:50:04 PM  
Frank Miller? I thought Will Kane took care of him.
 
2013-08-01 11:56:20 PM  

Hebalo: Lol. Love it. Farkers hacking on Miller's Batman? Of all human beings on the planet, Miller understands Batman better than anyone. Arguments to the contrary are risable at best. Even All Star Batman and Robin was more original, more groundbreaking than anything since. Scott Snyder writes a good story, but he's nowhere near Miller's level.


I did get a kick out of this:

i1282.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-02 12:08:50 AM  

T.rex: Frank Miller is among the best in the game who've ever lived, so its always fun and intriguing to watch people try and tear him down.


Hebalo: Lol. Love it. Farkers hacking on Miller's Batman? Of all human beings on the planet, Miller understands Batman better than anyone. Arguments to the contrary are risable at best. Even All Star Batman and Robin was more original, more groundbreaking than anything since. Scott Snyder writes a good story, but he's nowhere near Miller's level.


Drag yourself through Dark Knight Returns 2, or Spawn vs. Batman.  They're unreadable.  And Spawn vs. Batman is unintentionally hilarious.

He sucks.  He wrote some good things in the 80's but now he blows.  If you would like to debate this topic, I will refer you again to the stories mentioned above to show that there is no room for debate here.

Sorry.
 
2013-08-02 12:19:11 AM  

Cargo: He sucks. He wrote some good things in the 80's but now he blows. If you would like to debate this topic, I will refer you again to the stories mentioned above to show that there is no room for debate here.

Sorry.


Why are you sorry? If your whole argument consists of HA! I DIDN'T LIKE TWO THINGS HE WROTE, SO HE BLOWS!!!!!11111!!!!!, I'm ignoring it anyway.

Seems like in your world,  If you ever do anything less than perfect, you suck. If you do everything perfect, some asshole will still claim you suck.

"He wrote some good things in the 80's". Ha! That's like saying "Scorcese directed some movie in the 70's".
 
2013-08-02 12:19:47 AM  

hipstermonk: HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too

Don't forget Ronin and the great work he did with Daredevil and wolverine but his first foray into films really sucked. I mean who gives Robocop wings?


Wings?

comicattack.net

And it's actually pretty awesome. Especially as far as crossovers go. But I can't think of much he's done since that I've enjoyed.
 
2013-08-02 12:21:27 AM  
FTFC:

Frank Miller is to Batman as Rob Liefeld is to drawing feet.
 
2013-08-02 12:23:32 AM  
Jesus, can we farkin' stop with Batman? We had the best superhero series of all time with Nolan's films. They spanned seven years and the last came out last year. MOVE ON TO SOMETHING GODDAMN ELSE.

I say this as an ardent fan of that character. You're going into overexposure.
 
2013-08-02 12:24:15 AM  

ZeroCorpse: FTFC:

Frank Miller is to Batman as Rob Liefeld is to drawing feet.


Proving definitively that you should have called yourself ZeroTaste.
 
2013-08-02 12:24:22 AM  

HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too


This.  The man wrote two tremendous stories 20 years ago.  He's been destroying his legacy ever since.  He's the George Lucas of comic book writing.
 
2013-08-02 12:29:00 AM  

Wayne 985: You're going into overexposure.


Welcome to the internet.
 
2013-08-02 12:31:51 AM  

frestcrallen: Wayne 985: You're going into overexposure.

Welcome to the internet.


I'm talking about the movies, not the discussion of them.
 
2013-08-02 12:39:08 AM  

AntonChigger: Hobodeluxe:

Damn I loved that scene so much. People tend to forget the reason batman could beat superman is because he's a dirty, rotten, cheating bastard, and superman isn't.


Cheat? He didn't cheat. He leveled the playing field.
 
2013-08-02 12:42:17 AM  

Wayne 985: frestcrallen: Wayne 985: You're going into overexposure.

Welcome to the internet.

I'm talking about the movies, not the discussion of them.


I agree.  I'm not super familiar with the DC Comics lineup, but I'm sure they have some other options that could headline a movie.

Then again, I thought they were beating Spiderman into the ground, but I watched latest, The Amazing Spiderman, the other night, and I thought it was good, at least as good as the first Toby Maguire movie, so, who knows.
 
2013-08-02 12:43:51 AM  

Hebalo: Why are you sorry? If your whole argument consists of HA! I DIDN'T LIKE TWO THINGS HE WROTE, SO HE BLOWS!!!!!11111!!!!!, I'm ignoring it anyway.


I think we can all agree that TDNR2 sucked.
 
2013-08-02 12:50:48 AM  

Mentat: Hebalo: Why are you sorry? If your whole argument consists of HA! I DIDN'T LIKE TWO THINGS HE WROTE, SO HE BLOWS!!!!!11111!!!!!, I'm ignoring it anyway.

I think we can all agree that TDNR2 sucked.


It had its moments, but certainly a disappointment comparatively. My point stands. Miller knows Batman better than anyone, has written the two best Batman stories ever, and yet some asshole on the net just points at a lesser work and claims the guy sucks because of it.
 
2013-08-02 12:56:37 AM  

Wayne 985: I'm talking about the movies, not the discussion of them.


Point taken.  The two seem to blur together these days...get off my lawn etc.

I could still watch a S vs. B flick if it's done well.  As long as there are no zombies in it.
 
2013-08-02 01:05:29 AM  

HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too


that was incredibly unintentionally funny.  The "eight-year old dick grayson" said 1000 times and the superman who couldnt fly but ran accross oceans carrying cars cracked me the fark up.
 
2013-08-02 01:16:11 AM  
Denny O'Neil is still alive.  He did more to revitalize the Batman and Joker than any other modern writer.  Why doesn't someone talk to him?
 
2013-08-02 01:16:51 AM  

Hebalo: Mentat: Hebalo: Why are you sorry? If your whole argument consists of HA! I DIDN'T LIKE TWO THINGS HE WROTE, SO HE BLOWS!!!!!11111!!!!!, I'm ignoring it anyway.

I think we can all agree that TDNR2 sucked.

It had its moments, but certainly a disappointment comparatively. My point stands. Miller knows Batman better than anyone, has written the two best Batman stories ever, and yet some asshole on the net just points at a lesser work and claims the guy sucks because of it.


There's no doubt that Miller is probably the most influential Batman writer in the modern era.  TDKR redefined the character in a way that still dominates today.  That said, Miller is pretty hit or miss.  There doesn't seem to be much in between.
 
2013-08-02 01:26:04 AM  

Keywork99: I personally don't mind if someone didn't like it - I mean, you're free to dislike whatever you want. But my point is that people really overstate how bad they think it is. There are far worse films out there. Hell, there were a bunch of films released the same year that were worse.


its not a bad movie... ironically I think it was trying too hard to be an excellent movie. if it had stuck to the conceit the trailers suggested and just been hot young women fighting dragons and robot samurai just to be a genre flick, it probably would be lauded (because the effects and action were fantastic in that odd way that Snyder does things.) Trying to turn it into a statement though... foolish.
 
2013-08-02 01:26:04 AM  
I'll always be grateful for Miller and work on DD, especially creating Elektra, but now he needs to go away.
 
2013-08-02 01:30:42 AM  
They should not be talking about a new take on Batman. The Nolan movies resuscitated DC in the movie world, and Snyder's "Man of Steel" was good enough not to destroy that groundwork. So build on that groundwork instead of trying to replace or outdo it, neither of which seems to be something Snyder is capable of doing well. Fill it out with other important characters. Someone should do a Wonder Woman movie, and a Flash movie could certainly be both smart and sufficiently spectacular to bring in and satisfy fans and the general public. Use something like that to ground a Justice League franchise, and we'd be happy to have Joseph Gordon-Levitt as the Batman in a JLA movie, since he's been well set up for it. Don't do a new take on your only universally admired film version of one of your core characters.
 
2013-08-02 01:37:04 AM  

Robert1966: They should not be talking about a new take on Batman. The Nolan movies resuscitated DC in the movie world, and Snyder's "Man of Steel" was good enough not to destroy that groundwork. So build on that groundwork instead of trying to replace or outdo it, neither of which seems to be something Snyder is capable of doing well. Fill it out with other important characters. Someone should do a Wonder Woman movie, and a Flash movie could certainly be both smart and sufficiently spectacular to bring in and satisfy fans and the general public. Use something like that to ground a Justice League franchise, and we'd be happy to have Joseph Gordon-Levitt as the Batman in a JLA movie, since he's been well set up for it. Don't do a new take on your only universally admired film version of one of your core characters.


I know it's not the same character, and not even a DC franchise, but they should seriously do a Flash Gordon reboot.  SyFy had a short-lived Flash Gordon series that I really liked, but of course they canned it way too soon.  It was cheesy, but so was the original movie, it was fun and entertaining.

Schumacher was awful for Batman, but his style could really work for a new Flash Gordon movie.  Or, maybe they could let Baz Luhrmann or Kevin Smith have a go.
 
2013-08-02 02:13:09 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Robert1966: They should not be talking about a new take on Batman. The Nolan movies resuscitated DC in the movie world, and Snyder's "Man of Steel" was good enough not to destroy that groundwork. So build on that groundwork instead of trying to replace or outdo it, neither of which seems to be something Snyder is capable of doing well. Fill it out with other important characters. Someone should do a Wonder Woman movie, and a Flash movie could certainly be both smart and sufficiently spectacular to bring in and satisfy fans and the general public. Use something like that to ground a Justice League franchise, and we'd be happy to have Joseph Gordon-Levitt as the Batman in a JLA movie, since he's been well set up for it. Don't do a new take on your only universally admired film version of one of your core characters.

I know it's not the same character, and not even a DC franchise, but they should seriously do a Flash Gordon reboot.  SyFy had a short-lived Flash Gordon series that I really liked, but of course they canned it way too soon.  It was cheesy, but so was the original movie, it was fun and entertaining.

Schumacher was awful for Batman, but his style could really work for a new Flash Gordon movie.  Or, maybe they could let Baz Luhrmann or Kevin Smith have a go.


Flash Gordon is completely off topic, since he has nothing to do with DC. In any case, the 70s (well, 1980) was the last chance to do a movie version because those who had grown up on the fun, cheesy Buster Crabbe serials were about the right age for it. If it were done now with a similar property aimed at the same age group of geeks, it might have a chance, but the market didn't really exist when it was made. And almost nobody now gives a rat's ass about Flash Gordon, a character created and developed for a time that's alien to today's audiences - and I say that as a fan of zeerust whose father was the right age for the 1980 movie. It's dated and pointless to me, and I'm in my mid forties. Nobody in the most coveted demographic is going to care even a little. Just ask John Carter.
 
2013-08-02 02:30:30 AM  
The keaton movies were good.

The clooneys were popcorn worthy.

The nolan were good. Bane was a pussy, but meh.

All have production quality i can watch today without getting annoyed.

Why make another bat now?
 
2013-08-02 02:48:19 AM  
I can't believe no on has mentioned The Spirit yet. Miller took one of comic's greatest characters and the works of a master story-teller and turned it into an unimaginable piece of shiat. He should never be allowed near a film production ever again and he should publicly apologize to the ghost of Will Eisner.
 
2013-08-02 02:52:04 AM  

Dr.Zom: I can't believe no on has mentioned The Spirit yet. Miller took one of comic's greatest characters and the works of a master story-teller and turned it into an unimaginable piece of shiat. He should never be allowed near a film production ever again and he should publicly apologize to the ghost of Will Eisner.


You were the only person who saw it.
 
2013-08-02 02:52:40 AM  

Wayne 985: Jesus, can we farkin' stop with Batman? We had the best superhero series of all time with Nolan's films. They spanned seven years and the last came out last year. MOVE ON TO SOMETHING GODDAMN ELSE.

I say this as an ardent fan of that character. You're going into overexposure.


It's quite shrewd of DC/WB to do this after MoS response was pretty much split down the middle. Fans will always complain yet still buy anything, but MoS was just too offensive to lots of people who really love Superman. I think they know this. A MoS sequel would have been the line in the sand for a lot of people ("no way I'm paying for a sequel to that piece of shiat").

Easy answer: introduce the new Batman.

Short term, it's brilliant. But I hope you're right about the overexposure. I really want to see this franchise fail.

/Way to admit you're a one-trick pony, DC.
//The "Batman Begins" treatment wasn't enough, now they have to literally put Batman into the movie.
///It's pathetic.
 
2013-08-02 03:00:20 AM  

Fafai: MoS was just too offensive to lots of people who really love Superman


Who in the hell are these people exactly? And what's their deal? Who are these super Superman fans, and why aren't they more vocal as a rule?

And really, MoS OFFENDED people? Wow.
 
2013-08-02 03:31:43 AM  

Confabulat: Who in the hell are these people exactly?


People who enjoy quality movies.
 
2013-08-02 06:18:19 AM  
Christ, why doesn't he also meet with Rob Liefeld and Jeph Loeb while he's at it?

That way he can complete comic books' Unholy Trifecta fo Suck
 
2013-08-02 06:28:33 AM  

Mad_Radhu: The problem with the movie is that with most everything happening in a character's head, there are no stakes to what happens onscreen. It's literally full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. With no stakes, you have a boring story.


There are absolutely stakes to the action scenes. Because they are careless, Rocket dies during the train sequence. It also provides the impetus for Blondie to betray the team to Blue. This is the most obvious example, granted, but to say there are no stakes at all is just not true.
 
2013-08-02 06:29:49 AM  

ZeroCorpse: FTFC:

Frank Miller is to Batman as Rob Liefeld is to drawing feet.


Obscure?
 
2013-08-02 06:58:07 AM  

Smoking GNU: ZeroCorpse: FTFC:

Frank Miller is to Batman as Rob Liefeld is to drawing feet.

Obscure?




Hardly
 
2013-08-02 08:00:11 AM  
I'd bring up Holy Terror, since it's a more recent Frank Miller book than the ones mentioned,  but I'll wager most people haven't read it.

It's basically a 9/11 Batman story, with a palette-swapped Batman and Catwoman.
 
2013-08-02 08:21:42 AM  
TuteTibiImperes:
I know it's not the same character, and not even a DC franchise, but they should seriously do a Flash Gordon reboot.  SyFy had a short-lived Flash Gordon series that I really liked, but of course they canned it way too soon.  It was cheesy, but so was the original movie, it was fun and entertaining.

Schumacher was awful for Batman, but his style could really work for a new Flash Gordon movie.  Or, maybe they could let Baz Luhrmann or Kevin Smith have a go.


You know what's weird? Some of the trailers/teasers for the SciFi Flash Gordon series put in Queen's music, and that got me super pumped for it, because the soundtrack is the best part of that movie, aside from Brian Blessed.

And then it didn't have any of that soundtrack, and it was the worse for it (though I kept watching it to see what they'd do with it)

I likened it to Enterprise's non-Star-Trek theme song.
 
2013-08-02 08:44:48 AM  

Fafai: It's quite shrewd of DC/WB to do this after MoS response was pretty much split down the middle. Fans will always complain yet still buy anything, but MoS was just too offensive to lots of people who really love Superman. I think they know this. A MoS sequel would have been the line in the sand for a lot of people ("no way I'm paying for a sequel to that piece of shiat").


I've posted this several times here but you do this by making a MoS 2, but not really have it be about Superman.

Government contracts out to try and mitigate the perceived Kryptonian threat. Two companies respond that being LexCorp and Wayne Enterprises. Bruce being who he is, has already tested his theory early on in the movie on a Clark Kent covering a masked vigilante in Gotham who is fighting crime bosses and winning. Clark unsure tries to figure out who the masked man is, but the mask is shielded some how.

Wayne Enterprises is awarded the contract. Lex is pissed beyond pissed and is bound and determined to prove that not only his solution is superior but also to eliminate Superman because humanity can do it themselves, this after watching Superman do some crazy shiat in like Rwanda or some shiat to stop a mass genocide. He stages a terrorism events to try and lure Superman out and test different pieces of his tech to eliminate Superman.

Meanwhile, Batman shows up at Lois's office while she is editing an article about Lexcorp and its critical role in the rebuilding of Metropolis. He gives her all the information she needs that prove Lex is behind the terrorism attacks and its a plot to try and kill Superman. The story breaks the next day and LexCorp tanks in the market, Luthor faced with abject destitution and ridicule snaps and gets in his Superman busting suit using all the tested tech from previous encounters and goes ape shiat. Superman shows up, but the tech proves solid. Using backwards engineered Kryptonian tech, the weapons prove to hold Superman at bay. Just then we get entrance of Batman in jet and the two work together to take Lex down, with it ultimately being that Batman has found a way to disable to suit, he just needs the muscle (Superman) to deliver it.

Final shots of the movie have Superman on stage with Bruce Wayne, and Wayne gives a rousing speech claiming his intent to purchase parts of the now wrecked LexCorp to help rebuild Metropolis again and that once done he intend to give it back to the people as a cooperative investment. He speaks on the unity of working together no matter what our differences are, and the importance of acceptance..specifically referencing Superman. He then turns to Superman and the two raise hands together to a roaring crowd, and Bruce under his breath essentially lets in on who he is and how they should work together more often and that he knows he's Clark.

Last shot of the movie has Lex inside a prison cell. He's sitting and listening to this voice drone on and drone, a cell next door and inside the man just talks and talks and talks. Banal shiat, stupid stuff, just nonsensical ramblings. The long shot draws into Lex's face and we see how detested he is, just pissed beyond pissed and utter contempt. The voice then stops and we have a pause. A look of relief washes over Lex's face and then the voice comes on again, except this time its more sinister and monster sounding and it says "Listen, You and I...we're two peas in a pod. We're destined for better than this. You want revenge, I want to have fun doing it"

Just then we hear more distantly a guard says "Hey lady, you can't be in here this is a restricted ar" Gunshots ensue, we hear a lot of commotion outside, but the shot never leaves Lex's face we just see his reaction to the sound stimulus. Finally silence, and we hear a cell door open. The voice then comes on again "Tell you what, I'm looking for partnership. If you ever feel like you're better than this then call me, here's my card"

The shot then ends with a look at the bottom of Lex's cell door, and we see a playing card slide under the door. Lex slowly moves to pick up the card, turns it over and the reveal that it's a Joker card.


There, we've rebooted Batman and effectively introduced both Legion of Doom and the makings of a Justice League.

/you can make checks payable to IdBeCrazyIf
 
2013-08-02 08:54:07 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: After all the DC hate by Marvel Fanboys, it's going to be so farking awesome watching this movie become the highest grossing superhero movie of all time.


Batman/Superman: Thrown Through Buildings

I cannot wait to see it!
 
2013-08-02 09:25:00 AM  

Hebalo: Mentat: Hebalo: Why are you sorry? If your whole argument consists of HA! I DIDN'T LIKE TWO THINGS HE WROTE, SO HE BLOWS!!!!!11111!!!!!, I'm ignoring it anyway.

I think we can all agree that TDNR2 sucked.

It had its moments, but certainly a disappointment comparatively. My point stands. Miller knows Batman better than anyone, has written the two best Batman stories ever, and yet some asshole on the net just points at a lesser work and claims the guy sucks because of it.


Much like some fanboy on the net points to stuff from the '80s and claims Miller's still doing good work today.
 
2013-08-02 09:45:07 AM  
i.imgur.com
This was the best batman. Not too serious, not too silly. fark you people and your grimdark bullshiat. Im tired of overly edgy batman.
 
2013-08-02 09:51:24 AM  
Batman I grew up withis:
1. Adam West reruns
2. Superfriends + guest appearances on Scooby-Doo
3. Dark Knight Returns graphic novel
4. Batman the Animated Series (my favorite)
5. The various movies (eh...)
 
2013-08-02 09:52:36 AM  

Keywork99: I'm so tired of people shiatting on Sucker Punch. It wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be.


yes, it really was, and I actually like the movie.  the fantasy scenes were cool but held no weight since it was all in her mind.  the story linking the cool parts sucked.  that made it a mishmash of cool imagery with a stupid plot - and add that to the fact that due to the time it was set, there was no way babydoll would have been able to imagine the imagery that was in her head - no frame of reference.
 
2013-08-02 09:57:10 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: The shot then ends with a look at the bottom of Lex's cell door, and we see a playing card slide under the door. Lex slowly moves to pick up the card, turns it over and the reveal that it's a Joker card.


the world isn't ready for a cinematic joker that isn't heath ledger just yet.

seriously.  not saying that no one else can ever play joker, hell Hamill's Joker is the definitive, but in movies Ledger cast a shadow that will darken any other actor's portrayal for quite some time.

Batman has great villains that are not Joker.  Let's leave Joker alone for awhile.
 
2013-08-02 10:00:41 AM  

frepnog: yes, it really was, and I actually like the movie.  the fantasy scenes were cool but held no weight since it was all in her mind.  the story linking the cool parts sucked.  that made it a mishmash of cool imagery with a stupid plot - and add that to the fact that due to the time it was set, there was no way babydoll would have been able to imagine the imagery that was in her head - no frame of reference.


I believe in judging a movie based on the goals it itself attempts to reach.  SuckerPunch made no attempt at being cerebral, or even coherent.  It set out to make a badass fight movie with chicks in skimpy outfits.  And it knocked that out of the park.

Don't judge a chef for his ability to play a guitar.
 
2013-08-02 10:01:34 AM  

frepnog: Batman has great villains that are not Joker.  Let's leave Joker alone for awhile.


I'm personally a fan of Two-Face and Mr. Freeze.  They've both been retooled to be extremely deep and sympathetic characters.
 
2013-08-02 10:03:39 AM  

Kyro: frepnog: Batman has great villains that are not Joker.  Let's leave Joker alone for awhile.

I'm personally a fan of Two-Face and Mr. Freeze.  They've both been retooled to be extremely deep and sympathetic characters.


I am all for leaving Two-Face alone for a good while.  Mr. Freeze could be awesome if they would watch Heart of Ice.

But.  I want Clayface.  The tech is there now to do Clayface justice.   Let's see it.
 
2013-08-02 10:07:21 AM  

frepnog: Batman has great villains that are not Joker. Let's leave Joker alone for awhile.


I think the public would do just fine but I understand. Fine, let's use Ras then
 
2013-08-02 10:08:12 AM  

Corvus: Remember Frank Miller wrote this gem:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 231x341]



Actually Miller wrote this:
static.comicvine.com

that was then ADAPTED and Farked-up to:
upload.wikimedia.org

Elektra Assassin was amazing!
 
2013-08-02 10:08:20 AM  

frepnog: the fantasy scenes were cool but held no weight since it was all in her mind.


This argument doesn't wash with me. It's an action movie. You already know the outcome going in because the good guys succeed in 99.99999% of them.
 
2013-08-02 10:15:36 AM  

Hobodeluxe: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x1320]


HELL YES!!!
 
2013-08-02 10:19:00 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: the rebuilding of Metropolis.


But Metropolis is already perfectly fine the next day, remember? They're all going to the ball game. Yaay.


Kyro: SuckerPunch made no attempt at being cerebral


I don't buy that for a second. Clearly it was intended to be "deep" with all the different layers and the stupid symbolism. Snyder thinks himself a genius, there's no doubt.
 
2013-08-02 10:44:09 AM  

Corvus: Remember Frank Miller wrote this gem:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 231x341]


Actually he wrote RoboCop 2; that wasn't too bad.
 
2013-08-02 10:45:47 AM  
The guy knows how to write Batman? Hell yeah!!!

Issue is, he sucks writing Superman...

And as much as I love Batman, I really hate the dick sucking fest that every comic turns out to be when he makes crossovers.

/All Star Batman is frustrating even if it's hilariously bad...
 
2013-08-02 10:45:52 AM  

Electrify: Really? I'm going to have to be the one who says it?

Bruce Timm and Paul Dini!!!

/while I'll admit I'm not always a big fan of their darker take on the DC Universe, they are hands down better than Frank Miller
//the only better authority would be Zombie Bob Kane


They are the leaders in the clubhouse; sadly, DC and WB do not go the farking clubhouse often enough.
 
2013-08-02 10:48:42 AM  

Wayne 985: Jesus, can we farkin' stop with Batman? We had the best superhero series of all time with Nolan's films. They spanned seven years and the last came out last year. MOVE ON TO SOMETHING GODDAMN ELSE.

I say this as an ardent fan of that character. You're going into overexposure.


Tell that to DC and WB...they wanna beat that dead horse 'till there's nothing left.
 
2013-08-02 10:53:30 AM  

DarkPascual: Issue is, he sucks writing Superman...


I dunno, I like the idea of Superman flying around, sinking battleships and performing black ops for Reagan. It's the sort of thing I could imagine a super powered alien raised on a  farm to fight for "truth justice and the American way" being talked into. I could see how that could piss off some Siperman fans though.
 
2013-08-02 10:54:48 AM  
man of steel > avengers
 
2013-08-02 11:05:19 AM  

Kyro: frepnog: yes, it really was, and I actually like the movie.  the fantasy scenes were cool but held no weight since it was all in her mind.  the story linking the cool parts sucked.  that made it a mishmash of cool imagery with a stupid plot - and add that to the fact that due to the time it was set, there was no way babydoll would have been able to imagine the imagery that was in her head - no frame of reference.

I believe in judging a movie based on the goals it itself attempts to reach.  SuckerPunch made no attempt at being cerebral, or even coherent.  It set out to make a badass fight movie with chicks in skimpy outfits.  And it knocked that out of the park.

Don't judge a chef for his ability to play a guitar.


I always thought of Sucker Punch as sort of a meta-satire of Hollywood blockbusters.  Baby Doll represents the movie-goer; her life sucks, so she retreats into a fantasy world full of sex appeal, cardboard characters, and elaborate action setpieces with only a tangential connection to the plot.  She identifies strongly with the story she's presented, only in the end realizing it's not her story at all.  And in the end, her life still sucks and she has to face reality.
 
2013-08-02 11:07:22 AM  

optimus_grime: man of steel > avengers


Honestly, THIS. I'm probably in the minority but MoS had a story and characters that were as "real" as can be expected in a fantasy. Avengers was fun but it was totally paint-by-numbers. It was painfully obvious how calculating they were while constructing it so that nothing felt organic at all, not even the sibling rivalry between Thor and Loki. Moments that could have informed character in a grown up way were just tossed-in asides before moving on to the next set piece. I love comic book movies but I put Avengers behind not only MoS but also all of Nolan's Batmans, most of the X-men movies, the first Spider-man movie, the first Ironman movie, the first two Chris Reeves Superman movies and even Watchmen.
 
2013-08-02 11:26:36 AM  

gshepnyc: optimus_grime: man of steel > avengers

Honestly, THIS. I'm probably in the minority but MoS had a story and characters that were as "real" as can be expected in a fantasy. Avengers was fun but it was totally paint-by-numbers. It was painfully obvious how calculating they were while constructing it so that nothing felt organic at all, not even the sibling rivalry between Thor and Loki. Moments that could have informed character in a grown up way were just tossed-in asides before moving on to the next set piece. I love comic book movies but I put Avengers behind not only MoS but also all of Nolan's Batmans, most of the X-men movies, the first Spider-man movie, the first Ironman movie, the first two Chris Reeves Superman movies and even Watchmen.


Man of Steel is to Graphic Novel as Avengers is is to Comic Book. I think you nailed it.
 
2013-08-02 11:31:17 AM  

optimus_grime: man of steel > avengers


I'm about drop some "OH, SNAP!" on you:

Man of Steel: $644 Million worldwide after 7 weeks.

The Avengers crossed $700 Million worldwide....in 13 days from its US opening.

Therefore, your argument is invalid.
 
2013-08-02 11:31:41 AM  
Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.
 
2013-08-02 11:37:50 AM  

Rwa2play: optimus_grime: man of steel > avengers

I'm about drop some "OH, SNAP!" on you:

Man of Steel: $644 Million worldwide after 7 weeks.

The Avengers crossed $700 Million worldwide....in 13 days from its US opening.

Therefore, your argument is invalid.


You're going to play the Box Office Gross Card?


In that case, you must love the shiat out of Gone With the Wind!!!!
 
2013-08-02 11:38:27 AM  

TheOriginalEd: This was the best batman. Not too serious, not too silly. fark you people and your grimdark bullshiat. Im tired of overly edgy batman.


Truly, a Batman for all seasons. I feel guilty sometimes for saying Hamill was the best Joker, hands down, when he had years to do multiple takes, whimsical, sadistic, serious, ridiculous. But the show really explored a lot of variation on both Batman and Joker.
 
2013-08-02 11:39:51 AM  

Mugato: Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.


That hug smile on the face of Superman when he flew for the first time was SO DOUR!!!!!! The scene where he puts on a cape in his backyard and his parents look on was JOYLESS!!!! The revenge scene with the trucker was UNACCEPTABLY SERIOUS!!!!

Seriously, WTF?
 
2013-08-02 11:41:28 AM  

Mugato: Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.


I like how it set it up, I think and feel that the next one is going to be all happy and rainbows as I see Goyer taking it in the direction of having Superman stop shiat like genocides in Africa and not say some random bank robbery in down town.
 
2013-08-02 11:43:50 AM  

Hebalo: In that case, you must love the shiat out of Gone With the Wind!!!!


Rotten Tomatoes:

Man of Steel:  56% (RT), 77% (audience)

Fine, you can say that RT was pretty biased about it and the audience was far more balanced...except

The Avengers:  92% (RT)....90% (audience)

So...any more farts in the wind you want to pass? ;)
 
2013-08-02 11:44:16 AM  

hipstermonk: HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too

Don't forget Ronin and the great work he did with Daredevil and wolverine but his first foray into films really sucked. I mean who gives Robocop wings?


There have been murmurings of a Ronin movie for a while now.  Personally, I hope it never happens.
 
2013-08-02 11:49:44 AM  

optimus_grime: man of steel > avengers


Yeaaah... kinda this...

Not that I hated Avengers... really liked.

But all in all, I liked Man of Steel more.
 
2013-08-02 11:50:20 AM  

Thunderboy: There have been murmurings of a Ronin movie for a while now. Personally, I hope it never happens.


I'd like to see one, but early in the characters history. I want to see what mad him a merchant mercenary.
 
2013-08-02 11:50:42 AM  
I really liked Avengers, but I'll watch Man of Steel more than once.
 
2013-08-02 11:52:24 AM  

Confabulat: I really liked Avengers, but I'll watch Man of Steel more than once.


And to be honest, that's what DC/WB needs.  A foothold,  I think they'll be pleased that people are (at least) intrigued about the sequel.
 
2013-08-02 11:57:55 AM  

Rwa2play: Hebalo: In that case, you must love the shiat out of Gone With the Wind!!!!

Rotten Tomatoes:

Man of Steel:  56% (RT), 77% (audience)

Fine, you can say that RT was pretty biased about it and the audience was far more balanced...except

The Avengers:  92% (RT)....90% (audience)

So...any more farts in the wind you want to pass? ;)


yeah, I'm sorry as I can be, but as a super hero film, Avengers BEATS THE PANTS off of Man of Steel.  IT JUST DOES.  It is a better film all around.

Not fanboy bullshiat from me.  I LOVE comics, I am a life long Superman fan.  As a comic book\Superman fan, Man of Steel was DISAPPOINTING.  World's Finest will likely outright SUCK.

pixel.nymag.com

and I don't care WHO he plays, who ever cast this man in a Superman\Batman film needs to be slapped with a handgun.
 
2013-08-02 12:05:05 PM  

Confabulat: I really liked Avengers, but I'll watch Man of Steel more than once.


I have watched Superman 3 probably a dozen times over the years.

I have watched Superman Returns at least 4-5 times.

I have watched the Avengers at this point probably 5 times.

I have watched all 3 Iron Man films multiple times.

I have watched the Nolan Batfilms multiple times and watched Dark Knight ALONE at least 6 times, probably more.

I have watched X-Men Origins: Wolverine 4 times.

I have watched X-Men First Class 4 times at least.

I have watched "X-Men 3 - This Time It Sucks" probably 3 times.

I don't give a shiat if I EVER see Man of Steel again.

And I am telling you this - this is NOT a good sign.
 
2013-08-02 12:08:29 PM  

frepnog: And I am telling you this - this is NOT a good sign.


For you. Doesn't matter to me at all.
 
2013-08-02 12:08:56 PM  

Rwa2play: Hebalo: In that case, you must love the shiat out of Gone With the Wind!!!!

Rotten Tomatoes:

Man of Steel:  56% (RT), 77% (audience)

Fine, you can say that RT was pretty biased about it and the audience was far more balanced...except

The Avengers:  92% (RT)....90% (audience)

So...any more farts in the wind you want to pass? ;)


Sigh....


So, first you reply that Avengers is better because BOX OFFICE!!!!!

When I call you on that, you throw some RT numbers up, and claim I'm the asshole.


WTF dude? How can we converse if you're going to be scattered and nonsensical?

TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore
 
2013-08-02 12:10:48 PM  

trapped-in-CH: I just found out today they did an animated version of the Dark Knight returns.  Watched a couple of clips on youtube.  it's nearly a copy of the book.  The voices suck though.


Watch it on Blu Ray if you can.  I've seen movies that aren't directed as well. I thought the voices were perfect for this project - not quite as cartoonish as B:TAS.
 
2013-08-02 12:11:16 PM  

frepnog: Rwa2play: Hebalo: In that case, you must love the shiat out of Gone With the Wind!!!!

Rotten Tomatoes:

Man of Steel:  56% (RT), 77% (audience)

Fine, you can say that RT was pretty biased about it and the audience was far more balanced...except

The Avengers:  92% (RT)....90% (audience)

So...any more farts in the wind you want to pass? ;)

yeah, I'm sorry as I can be, but as a super hero film, Avengers BEATS THE PANTS off of Man of Steel.  IT JUST DOES.  It is a better film all around.

Not fanboy bullshiat from me.  I LOVE comics, I am a life long Superman fan.  As a comic book\Superman fan, Man of Steel was DISAPPOINTING.  World's Finest will likely outright SUCK.


I'm a big DC fanboy in my own right since a) the first exposure was to Captain Marvel and Isis and b) I went to see the Superman movie in the theaters...when I was 5 years old.  Right now?  WB doesn't have a farking clue as to how to properly use their DCU.  I was exposed to Marvel a little later on, but I want DC to succeed just as much as Marvel.  You want a Magic/Bird situation with Marvel/DC; not a Michael hitting the jumper over Ehlo...every time.

[pixel.nymag.com image 560x831]

and I don't care WHO he plays, who ever cast this man in a Superman\Batman film needs to be slapped with a handgun.


Oh I can see WB farking that chicken in some form.  Frankly, they need to do MoS 2 first in order to set up World's Finest...but that's just me.
 
2013-08-02 12:13:16 PM  

Hebalo: Mugato: Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.

That hug smile on the face of Superman when he flew for the first time was SO DOUR!!!!!! The scene where he puts on a cape in his backyard and his parents look on was JOYLESS!!!! The revenge scene with the trucker was UNACCEPTABLY SERIOUS!!!!

Seriously, WTF?


Settle. The f*ck. Down.

What the hell is wrong with you?
 
2013-08-02 12:13:49 PM  

frepnog: Confabulat: I really liked Avengers, but I'll watch Man of Steel more than once.

I have watched Superman 3 probably a dozen times over the years.

I have watched Superman Returns at least 4-5 times.

I have watched the Avengers at this point probably 5 times.

I have watched all 3 Iron Man films multiple times.

I have watched the Nolan Batfilms multiple times and watched Dark Knight ALONE at least 6 times, probably more.

I have watched X-Men Origins: Wolverine 4 times.

I have watched X-Men First Class 4 times at least.

I have watched "X-Men 3 - This Time It Sucks" probably 3 times.

I don't give a shiat if I EVER see Man of Steel again.

And I am telling you this - this is NOT a good sign.


This; MoS should be "Iron Man"/"The Dark Knight"/"Superman: The Movie" levels of "If it's on, I will drop what I'm doing and watch this, even halfway through."  Frankly, it's not.
 
2013-08-02 12:14:00 PM  

TheOriginalEd: [i.imgur.com image 400x300]
This was the best batman. Not too serious, not too silly. fark you people and your grimdark bullshiat. Im tired of overly edgy batman.


Wow, overreact much?

The Nolan films were awesome.  Just let us have them and you all can go back to your craptacular gimmicky Batman.

/liked the animated series too
//always wondered why Batman had to shoot his grapple gun to avoid falling to his death in almost every single episode.  Became like The A Team rolling a car in every episode.
 
2013-08-02 12:15:01 PM  

Hebalo: TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore


You know how I know you're a DC mark?
 
2013-08-02 12:16:18 PM  

Cargo: Hebalo: Mugato: Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.

That hug smile on the face of Superman when he flew for the first time was SO DOUR!!!!!! The scene where he puts on a cape in his backyard and his parents look on was JOYLESS!!!! The revenge scene with the trucker was UNACCEPTABLY SERIOUS!!!!

Seriously, WTF?

Settle. The f*ck. Down.

What the hell is wrong with you?


Sorry Dad. Did my use of Cap offend you or something?
 
2013-08-02 12:16:59 PM  

Rwa2play: Hebalo: TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore

You know how I know you're a DC mark?


Sigh. You're just proving my point.
 
2013-08-02 12:17:46 PM  

Rwa2play: Hebalo: TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore

You know how I know you're a DC mark?


Forgot to add:  You know what's a better movie than "Man of Steel"? "All-Star Superman".
 
2013-08-02 12:40:00 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: /you can make checks payable to IdBeCrazyIf


holy shiat. If they make something as good as that, I'll be surprised.
 
2013-08-02 12:49:40 PM  

Rwa2play: I don't give a shiat if I EVER see Man of Steel again.

And I am telling you this - this is NOT a good sign.

This; MoS should be "Iron Man"/"The Dark Knight"/"Superman: The Movie" levels of "If it's on, I will drop what I'm doing and watch this, even halfway through." Frankly, it's not.


that was my point.  Man of Steel, to me, as a comic book fan, should mean more to me than "generic movie number 104" that I don't hate to have seen but will never watch again.  It isn't even in "Hot Fuzz" territory, where I like it, I own a copy, I have seen it a couple times but don't go out of my way to rewatch.  It is firmly in "Bridesmaids" territory.  I don't want to kill all involved, but I will never search it out on my own to rewatch and I certainly don't care to own a copy.  That is what I mean when I tell people that it will be forgotten.  IF World's Finest is WELL reviewed, I MIGHT rewatch Man of Steel then as a refresher on this version of Superman, but even that is iffy, honestly and if I do watch it then I see myself skipping thru it.

It just...  guys, it just ain't that good a film.  I wanted it to be.  I wish it was.  But it just isn't.
 
2013-08-02 01:07:02 PM  
It's just in Man of Steel, Superman wasn't really a hero. Hundreds of thousands of people were killed (pretty much because of him) when they destroyed Smallville and Metropolis but he saved Lois Lane...for some reason. And then he SPOILERS snapped Zod's neck, which Batman wouldn't even do. I dunno. it just didn't seem very Superman to me and I'm not even a Superman fan.
 
2013-08-02 01:09:24 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: /you can make checks payable to IdBeCrazyIf


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-02 01:22:15 PM  

Mugato: It's just in Man of Steel, Superman wasn't really a hero. Hundreds of thousands of people were killed (pretty much because of him) when they destroyed Smallville and Metropolis but he saved Lois Lane...for some reason. And then he SPOILERS snapped Zod's neck, which Batman wouldn't even do. I dunno. it just didn't seem very Superman to me and I'm not even a Superman fan.


We've covered that ground many times, but you can just as easily attribute the Smallville destruction to the US Army, as they opened fire on main street, and continued attacking once it was proven ineffective. Metropolis was totaled by the World Engine/Ship combo, which Superman was quite busy in Asia trying to stop. The very end of the Superman Zod fight was in a more populated area, but Supes wasn't really in a position to draw Zod away, as Zod's goal was killing humans. Didn't really have another way to stop Zod from killing that family, told Zod to stop. Zod stated he wouldn't ("Never".). You could just as easily and correctly point the finger at Jor-El for sending Kal to a populated planet, or Zod for insisting that Earth be the new home of Krypton, but saying that Superman himself is responsible for the deaths is stretching at best. He even surrendered to Zod to avoid that happening.
 
2013-08-02 02:01:26 PM  

Rwa2play: 4.bp.blogspot.com


farkeruk: holy shiat. If they make something as good as that, I'll be surprised.


I have faith that something similar will be on screen. Goyer knows how to write.

I would even add in some corporate espionage between Lexcorp and Wayne Enterprises, with Batman finding evidence in his fight against the crime bosses that LexCorp has its hand in organized crime and the cartel drug business which helps fund his secretive tech end. Lois thinks she has something but can never break the story, she is there covering LexCorp's business dealing as a cover because she thinks Lex is hiding something that she found during her coverage of said Rwanda conflict that Superman prevents.

You get a shot late one night as Lois is now in her new corner office, pouring over information looking for some detail she's missed. It's raining and thundering pretty hard. She casually looks up at the window to see water pouring over the office windows. She turns back down and mutters at a corporate photo of Lex "I know you are dirty you son of a biatch, I just know it".

Just then into shot of her staring down at her desk in an overhead shoot, a manilla envelope drops onto her desk. She's startles and looks up quickly. There he stands, the Batman. He explains to her "It's all there Miss Lane, everything you need that you thought you found in Rwanda". She picks it up and opens it, and we get quick shots of her looking over everything that damns Lex. She's so entrenched in the documents she doesn't notice the breeze that just went past her. She goes to say something "This is going to bur.." and when she turns, he's gone. The window is open and we are left with nothing but the low silence that is rain on a dark night.

.....I really outta start writing this shiat down one of these days
 
2013-08-02 02:14:18 PM  
Fanbois 2012: whine whine whine Superman is boring he's just a dumb boy scout worse superhero ever whine whine whine

Fanbois 2013: whine whine whine Superman isn't supposed to be interesting or conflicted he's supposed to be a dumb boy scout whine whine whine
 
2013-08-02 02:19:03 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Rwa2play: 4.bp.blogspot.com

farkeruk: holy shiat. If they make something as good as that, I'll be surprised.

I have faith that something similar will be on screen. Goyer knows how to write.

I would even add in some corporate espionage between Lexcorp and Wayne Enterprises, with Batman finding evidence in his fight against the crime bosses that LexCorp has its hand in organized crime and the cartel drug business which helps fund his secretive tech end. Lois thinks she has something but can never break the story, she is there covering LexCorp's business dealing as a cover because she thinks Lex is hiding something that she found during her coverage of said Rwanda conflict that Superman prevents.

You get a shot late one night as Lois is now in her new corner office, pouring over information looking for some detail she's missed. It's raining and thundering pretty hard. She casually looks up at the window to see water pouring over the office windows. She turns back down and mutters at a corporate photo of Lex "I know you are dirty you son of a biatch, I just know it".

Just then into shot of her staring down at her desk in an overhead shoot, a manilla envelope drops onto her desk. She's startles and looks up quickly. There he stands, the Batman. He explains to her "It's all there Miss Lane, everything you need that you thought you found in Rwanda". She picks it up and opens it, and we get quick shots of her looking over everything that damns Lex. She's so entrenched in the documents she doesn't notice the breeze that just went past her. She goes to say something "This is going to bur.." and when she turns, he's gone. The window is open and we are left with nothing but the low silence that is rain on a dark night.

.....I really outta start writing this shiat down one of these days


Favorited with comment: "He can write better than those assholes in Hollyweird"
 
2013-08-02 02:34:25 PM  

Rwa2play: Favorited with comment: "He can write better than those assholes in Hollyweird"


While appreciative, given who we are talking about at times that doesn't require that much more talent. ;)
 
2013-08-02 02:48:19 PM  

Hebalo: We've covered that ground many times, but you can just as easily attribute the Smallville destruction to the US Army


And why was the US army in Smallville in the first place? Because Superman carried Zod away from a remote farm, across a remote cornfield, and then slammed him into a populated area to have a big showdown.

/Leaving his mother back at the mercy of two dangerous Kryptonians, to boot.
//Good thing they didn't decide to harm her now that noone was going to stop them.
///But hey at least we got to see Supes wail on a guy like something out a prison yard scene as he brought the fight to an innocent population, so that's awesome.
 
2013-08-02 02:49:50 PM  

Fafai: And why was the US army in Smallville in the first place? Because Superman carried Zod away from a remote farm, across a remote cornfield, and then slammed him into a populated area to have a big showdown.

/Leaving his mother back at the mercy of two dangerous Kryptonians, to boot.


They had advanced knowledge of where they were going based on tracking, also if your general was suddenly zipped off into the distance wouldn't you go figure out what the fark happened?
 
2013-08-02 02:56:20 PM  
Details. Yes the army was in the area but they weren't going to start firing at shiat for no reason. There's no denying Supes brought that fight away from the outskirts and into the town. That's just one nitpick. The whole farking movie was terribly written. It's a piece of shiat.
 
2013-08-02 02:59:01 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: also if your general was suddenly zipped off into the distance wouldn't you go figure out what the fark happened?


I find it hard to believe they wouldn't take her with them as a hostage. The whole farking movie (Russel Crowe excluded) was a total shiat-show, admit it.
 
2013-08-02 03:01:49 PM  

Fafai: I find it hard to believe they wouldn't take her with them as a hostage. The whole farking movie (Russel Crowe excluded) was a total shiat-show, admit it.


It had its flaws, and a couple of really bad lines. Not necessarily bad scenes really just lines during those scenes. But it was a decent movie to get a foot hold for the DC universe at large.
 
2013-08-02 03:08:53 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Fafai: I find it hard to believe they wouldn't take her with them as a hostage. The whole farking movie (Russel Crowe excluded) was a total shiat-show, admit it.

It had its flaws, and a couple of really bad lines. Not necessarily bad scenes really just lines during those scenes. But it was a decent movie to get a foot hold for the DC universe at large.


In the trailer I was happy to see Superman, in costume, hugging his Ma at the farm. Its one thing Donner got wrong (`Bye Mom, I`m leaving you now after your husband just died. I won`t be coming to visit even though I can travel at the speed of light. Enjoy your newfound widowhood.`)

But the context for that hug! Had I known it was basically `Hey, glad to see you`re still alive after I stranded you with two supervillains so I could go destroy Smallville,` then I ... still would`ve paid to see the movie. *hangs head*
 
2013-08-02 03:15:10 PM  
"Miller sucks" examples:

Dark Knight Strikes Again
Spawn vs Batman
All-star Batman (though it is unintentionally hilarious)
Holy Terror
The Spirit (film)

The fact that 3 of those involve Batman and the fact that the movie he did without Rodriguez to hold his hand was universally bad should rightfully scare anyone who cares about the next Batman project being good.
 
2013-08-02 03:26:09 PM  

Fafai: But the context for that hug! Had I known it was basically `Hey, glad to see you`re still alive after I stranded you with two supervillains so I could go destroy Smallville,` then I ... still would`ve paid to see the movie. *hangs head*


And the bad part is that they know this, lol
 
2013-08-02 03:35:08 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Fafai: But the context for that hug! Had I known it was basically `Hey, glad to see you`re still alive after I stranded you with two supervillains so I could go destroy Smallville,` then I ... still would`ve paid to see the movie. *hangs head*

And the bad part is that they know this, lol


Yeah. Next time I'll buy a ticket for a different movie and theater-hop. There's also DVD sales, so even knowing the ticket sales are locked in, they do have reason to try to make good films.
 
2013-08-02 03:41:28 PM  

deadguyinc: "Miller sucks" examples:

Dark Knight Strikes Again
Spawn vs Batman
All-star Batman (though it is unintentionally hilarious)
Holy Terror
The Spirit (film)

The fact that 3 of those involve Batman and the fact that the movie he did without Rodriguez to hold his hand was universally bad should rightfully scare anyone who cares about the next Batman project being good.


Holy Terror was also written as a Batman story.  DC just refused to publish it.

So that makes four.
 
2013-08-02 03:46:39 PM  

Rwa2play: Rwa2play: Hebalo: TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore

You know how I know you're a DC mark?

Forgot to add:  You know what's a better movie than "Man of Steel"? "All-Star Superman".


My favorite Superman movie is probably Superman vs. The Elite.  The greatest thing is that the conflict strikes Superman in a way that no world-conquering supervillain ever could -- by attacking his entire philosophy.  After watching that, you'll really understand exactly how Man of Steel got Superman completely wrong.
 
2013-08-02 03:55:56 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Rwa2play: Rwa2play: Hebalo: TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore

You know how I know you're a DC mark?

Forgot to add:  You know what's a better movie than "Man of Steel"? "All-Star Superman".

My favorite Superman movie is probably Superman vs. The Elite.  The greatest thing is that the conflict strikes Superman in a way that no world-conquering supervillain ever could -- by attacking his entire philosophy.  After watching that, you'll really understand exactly how Man of Steel got Superman completely wrong.


I just saw that like 2 weeks ago, fantastic movie.  Explains why and how Superman will never cross "that line".
 
2013-08-02 04:27:49 PM  

Hebalo: Lol. Love it. Farkers hacking on Miller's Batman? Of all human beings on the planet, Miller understands Batman better than anyone. Arguments to the contrary are risable at best. Even All Star Batman and Robin was more original, more groundbreaking than anything since. Scott Snyder writes a good story, but he's nowhere near Miller's level.


Jeph Loeb. I'm not a huge fan of his, but  The Long Halloween is a damn masterpiece. Miller wrote 2 great Batman books and 2 horrifically bad ones. I mean,  All-Star is essentially the wackiness of Adam West's Batman but on the gritty side of the spectrum.

/also, he couldn't write an adult female to save his life.
 
2013-08-02 04:35:20 PM  

T.rex: Frank Miller is among the best in the game who've ever lived, so its always fun and intriguing to watch people try and tear him down.

 He's written some things in the upper echelons, sure, but he's not in the 'best' category. It's a small category. I'd say...Eisener, Moore, and Kirby are the only ones who had careers that would allow them to be consider 'the best'. Miller peaked and has been riding the trail of his success. Brubaker, Fraction, Bendis, Azzarello, Ennis, Millar, and Morrison are maybe destined to be in their company.
Name a good, not great, comic he's written since 1999. You can't. However, you can name some abominable works he's penned in that time.
 
2013-08-02 04:41:44 PM  

Dhusk: Christ, why doesn't he also meet with Rob Liefeld and Jeph Loeb while he's at it?

That way he can complete comic books' Unholy Trifecta fo Suck


Jeph Loeb actually wrote one of the greatest Batman stories of all time, The Long Halloween and I'd argue that  Hush falls into the upper 10% of Batman stories as well....
Sure, I'm not a huge fan of his, but give him props for Batman.
 
2013-08-02 04:44:47 PM  
Zack Snyder somehow managed to make a Superman movie more boring than Superman Returns.
 
2013-08-02 04:44:57 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Rwa2play: I'm about drop some "OH, SNAP!" on you:

Man of Steel: $644 Million worldwide after 7 weeks.

The Avengers crossed $700 Million worldwide....in 13 days from its US opening.

Therefore, your argument is invalid.

Man of Steel was a much better movie, no matter what the box office receipts were. Using your logic, Alice in Wonderland is a better movie than Goodfellas.


Not only is MoS not a good movie, it's a horrible Superman movie. The Avengers do a better job at being heroes than the guy who's supposed to be THE hero of all heroes. They're minimizing civilian casualties as part of their fighting while Superman is doing half of Zod's work for him BUT OH JEEZE HE NEEDS TO SAVE THOSE THREE PEOPLE SO BAD.  MoS was to Superman what the 90s were to superhero comics as a whole. People like dark and gritty so let's do it for its own sake.

/Superman Returns is a much better movie
//Avengers is still better than both
 
2013-08-02 05:16:31 PM  

Hebalo: Cargo: Hebalo: Mugato: Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.

That hug smile on the face of Superman when he flew for the first time was SO DOUR!!!!!! The scene where he puts on a cape in his backyard and his parents look on was JOYLESS!!!! The revenge scene with the trucker was UNACCEPTABLY SERIOUS!!!!

Seriously, WTF?

Settle. The f*ck. Down.

What the hell is wrong with you?

Sorry Dad. Did my use of Cap offend you or something?


No, it's that your incessant whining is incredibly irritating. I'm starting to think you actually are Frank Miller.

Either way, put some thought into shutting the f*ck up.
 
2013-08-02 05:35:43 PM  
Popcorn Johnny:
Man of Steel was a much better movie, no matter what the box office receipts were. Using your logic, Alice in Wonderland is a better movie than Goodfellas.

And using your logic, anything is true if one person says it is. Or does that only count if that person is named "Popcorn Johnny"?
 
2013-08-02 05:39:53 PM  
All I know is when I heard Kevin Smith's podcast fellating WB's decision on making Superman/Batman by using that thrice damned DKR quote, I nearly lost my composure.  I have had it up to here with the farking Bat God and the Grimdark pantheon that he has.  WB if you want all the geek's money (including mine) for a Batman/Superman movie go for a Dini/Englehart-like version of the character.

Trust me we'll all have a lot more fun.
 
2013-08-02 06:12:36 PM  

Cargo: Hebalo: Cargo: Hebalo: Mugato: Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.

That hug smile on the face of Superman when he flew for the first time was SO DOUR!!!!!! The scene where he puts on a cape in his backyard and his parents look on was JOYLESS!!!! The revenge scene with the trucker was UNACCEPTABLY SERIOUS!!!!

Seriously, WTF?

Settle. The f*ck. Down.

What the hell is wrong with you?

Sorry Dad. Did my use of Cap offend you or something?

No, it's that your incessant whining is incredibly irritating. I'm starting to think you actually are Frank Miller.

Either way, put some thought into shutting the f*ck up.


Hey.

Go.
Fark.
Yourself.

With all the stupidity I read here, I'm certainly within my rights as a Farker to express my opinions.

Don't like it? Well... Actually, I don't give a fark if you don't.
 
2013-08-02 07:05:47 PM  

Public Call Box: All I know is when I heard Kevin Smith's podcast fellating WB's decision on making Superman/Batman by using that thrice damned DKR quote, I nearly lost my composure.  I have had it up to here with the farking Bat God and the Grimdark pantheon that he has.  WB if you want all the geek's money (including mine) for a Batman/Superman movie go for a Dini/Englehart-like version of the character.

Trust me we'll all have a lot more fun.


The way Kevin was jizzing his pants before HBO, you'd think DC reinvented the wheel instead of proving that they're nothing but a one-trick pony by turning to Batman less than a year after the last franchise ended.
 
2013-08-02 08:05:53 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: After all the DC hate by Marvel Fanboys, it's going to be so farking awesome watching this movie become the highest grossing superhero movie of all time.


I'm not even a comic fanboy and I find your comment laughable. Yay, undeveliped-reboot-Batman-post-best-Batman-ever-on-screen meets latest-crappy-Superman.
 
2013-08-02 08:07:32 PM  

Hebalo: Cargo: Hebalo: Cargo: Hebalo: Mugato: Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.

That hug smile on the face of Superman when he flew for the first time was SO DOUR!!!!!! The scene where he puts on a cape in his backyard and his parents look on was JOYLESS!!!! The revenge scene with the trucker was UNACCEPTABLY SERIOUS!!!!

Seriously, WTF?

Settle. The f*ck. Down.

What the hell is wrong with you?

Sorry Dad. Did my use of Cap offend you or something?

No, it's that your incessant whining is incredibly irritating. I'm starting to think you actually are Frank Miller.

Either way, put some thought into shutting the f*ck up.

Hey.

Go.
Fark.
Yourself.

With all the stupidity I read here, I'm certainly within my rights as a Farker to express my opinions.

Don't like it? Well... Actually, I don't give a fark if you don't.


You're dumb.
 
2013-08-02 08:39:09 PM  

madnessupmysoul: Popcorn Johnny: Rwa2play: I'm about drop some "OH, SNAP!" on you:

Man of Steel: $644 Million worldwide after 7 weeks.

The Avengers crossed $700 Million worldwide....in 13 days from its US opening.

Therefore, your argument is invalid.

Man of Steel was a much better movie, no matter what the box office receipts were. Using your logic, Alice in Wonderland is a better movie than Goodfellas.

Not only is MoS not a good movie, it's a horrible Superman movie. The Avengers do a better job at being heroes than the guy who's supposed to be THE hero of all heroes. They're minimizing civilian casualties as part of their fighting while Superman is doing half of Zod's work for him BUT OH JEEZE HE NEEDS TO SAVE THOSE THREE PEOPLE SO BAD.  MoS was to Superman what the 90s were to superhero comics as a whole. People like dark and gritty so let's do it for its own sake.

/Superman Returns is a much better movie
//Avengers is still better than both


I don't know what it is with some of these people who seem to be convincing themselves that MoS is better than The Avengers.  Is it that WB's so farking incompetent that they'll clutch to anything that looks remotely decent and they'll say "OMG! BEST THING EVAH!"?

I mean Marvel's had stinkers and a half (Hulk, Elektra) but that was by no means the fault of Marvel Studios.  Their weakest movie has been "Captain America: The First Avenger" but even that's a decent "watch once and then forget it".  Most of DC/WB's stuff is "you're out by the first half hour" with the exception of Nolan's Batman and the DCAU movies..
 
2013-08-02 10:59:01 PM  
inkersanonymous.com
 
2013-08-02 11:24:36 PM  
Since I've managed to generate some discussion in the thread without actually weighing in on TFA: Frank Miller sucks and this is a big mistake.
 
2013-08-03 02:57:14 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Yeah, I'm sure a moron and a fascist will make a phenominal writing team. *jerk-off motion*


... and just what have you written?
 
2013-08-03 10:41:28 AM  

Terrible Old Man: Bonanza Jellybean: Yeah, I'm sure a moron and a fascist will make a phenominal writing team. *jerk-off motion*

... and just what have you written?


Congratulations, you're a trope.
 
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