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2013-08-02 11:05:19 AM

Kyro: frepnog: yes, it really was, and I actually like the movie.  the fantasy scenes were cool but held no weight since it was all in her mind.  the story linking the cool parts sucked.  that made it a mishmash of cool imagery with a stupid plot - and add that to the fact that due to the time it was set, there was no way babydoll would have been able to imagine the imagery that was in her head - no frame of reference.

I believe in judging a movie based on the goals it itself attempts to reach.  SuckerPunch made no attempt at being cerebral, or even coherent.  It set out to make a badass fight movie with chicks in skimpy outfits.  And it knocked that out of the park.

Don't judge a chef for his ability to play a guitar.


I always thought of Sucker Punch as sort of a meta-satire of Hollywood blockbusters.  Baby Doll represents the movie-goer; her life sucks, so she retreats into a fantasy world full of sex appeal, cardboard characters, and elaborate action setpieces with only a tangential connection to the plot.  She identifies strongly with the story she's presented, only in the end realizing it's not her story at all.  And in the end, her life still sucks and she has to face reality.
 
2013-08-02 11:07:22 AM

optimus_grime: man of steel > avengers


Honestly, THIS. I'm probably in the minority but MoS had a story and characters that were as "real" as can be expected in a fantasy. Avengers was fun but it was totally paint-by-numbers. It was painfully obvious how calculating they were while constructing it so that nothing felt organic at all, not even the sibling rivalry between Thor and Loki. Moments that could have informed character in a grown up way were just tossed-in asides before moving on to the next set piece. I love comic book movies but I put Avengers behind not only MoS but also all of Nolan's Batmans, most of the X-men movies, the first Spider-man movie, the first Ironman movie, the first two Chris Reeves Superman movies and even Watchmen.
 
2013-08-02 11:26:36 AM

gshepnyc: optimus_grime: man of steel > avengers

Honestly, THIS. I'm probably in the minority but MoS had a story and characters that were as "real" as can be expected in a fantasy. Avengers was fun but it was totally paint-by-numbers. It was painfully obvious how calculating they were while constructing it so that nothing felt organic at all, not even the sibling rivalry between Thor and Loki. Moments that could have informed character in a grown up way were just tossed-in asides before moving on to the next set piece. I love comic book movies but I put Avengers behind not only MoS but also all of Nolan's Batmans, most of the X-men movies, the first Spider-man movie, the first Ironman movie, the first two Chris Reeves Superman movies and even Watchmen.


Man of Steel is to Graphic Novel as Avengers is is to Comic Book. I think you nailed it.
 
2013-08-02 11:31:17 AM

optimus_grime: man of steel > avengers


I'm about drop some "OH, SNAP!" on you:

Man of Steel: $644 Million worldwide after 7 weeks.

The Avengers crossed $700 Million worldwide....in 13 days from its US opening.

Therefore, your argument is invalid.
 
2013-08-02 11:31:41 AM
Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.
 
2013-08-02 11:37:50 AM

Rwa2play: optimus_grime: man of steel > avengers

I'm about drop some "OH, SNAP!" on you:

Man of Steel: $644 Million worldwide after 7 weeks.

The Avengers crossed $700 Million worldwide....in 13 days from its US opening.

Therefore, your argument is invalid.


You're going to play the Box Office Gross Card?


In that case, you must love the shiat out of Gone With the Wind!!!!
 
2013-08-02 11:38:27 AM

TheOriginalEd: This was the best batman. Not too serious, not too silly. fark you people and your grimdark bullshiat. Im tired of overly edgy batman.


Truly, a Batman for all seasons. I feel guilty sometimes for saying Hamill was the best Joker, hands down, when he had years to do multiple takes, whimsical, sadistic, serious, ridiculous. But the show really explored a lot of variation on both Batman and Joker.
 
2013-08-02 11:39:51 AM

Mugato: Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.


That hug smile on the face of Superman when he flew for the first time was SO DOUR!!!!!! The scene where he puts on a cape in his backyard and his parents look on was JOYLESS!!!! The revenge scene with the trucker was UNACCEPTABLY SERIOUS!!!!

Seriously, WTF?
 
2013-08-02 11:41:28 AM

Mugato: Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.


I like how it set it up, I think and feel that the next one is going to be all happy and rainbows as I see Goyer taking it in the direction of having Superman stop shiat like genocides in Africa and not say some random bank robbery in down town.
 
2013-08-02 11:43:50 AM

Hebalo: In that case, you must love the shiat out of Gone With the Wind!!!!


Rotten Tomatoes:

Man of Steel:  56% (RT), 77% (audience)

Fine, you can say that RT was pretty biased about it and the audience was far more balanced...except

The Avengers:  92% (RT)....90% (audience)

So...any more farts in the wind you want to pass? ;)
 
2013-08-02 11:44:16 AM

hipstermonk: HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too

Don't forget Ronin and the great work he did with Daredevil and wolverine but his first foray into films really sucked. I mean who gives Robocop wings?


There have been murmurings of a Ronin movie for a while now.  Personally, I hope it never happens.
 
2013-08-02 11:49:44 AM

optimus_grime: man of steel > avengers


Yeaaah... kinda this...

Not that I hated Avengers... really liked.

But all in all, I liked Man of Steel more.
 
2013-08-02 11:50:20 AM

Thunderboy: There have been murmurings of a Ronin movie for a while now. Personally, I hope it never happens.


I'd like to see one, but early in the characters history. I want to see what mad him a merchant mercenary.
 
2013-08-02 11:50:42 AM
I really liked Avengers, but I'll watch Man of Steel more than once.
 
2013-08-02 11:52:24 AM

Confabulat: I really liked Avengers, but I'll watch Man of Steel more than once.


And to be honest, that's what DC/WB needs.  A foothold,  I think they'll be pleased that people are (at least) intrigued about the sequel.
 
2013-08-02 11:57:55 AM

Rwa2play: Hebalo: In that case, you must love the shiat out of Gone With the Wind!!!!

Rotten Tomatoes:

Man of Steel:  56% (RT), 77% (audience)

Fine, you can say that RT was pretty biased about it and the audience was far more balanced...except

The Avengers:  92% (RT)....90% (audience)

So...any more farts in the wind you want to pass? ;)


yeah, I'm sorry as I can be, but as a super hero film, Avengers BEATS THE PANTS off of Man of Steel.  IT JUST DOES.  It is a better film all around.

Not fanboy bullshiat from me.  I LOVE comics, I am a life long Superman fan.  As a comic book\Superman fan, Man of Steel was DISAPPOINTING.  World's Finest will likely outright SUCK.

pixel.nymag.com

and I don't care WHO he plays, who ever cast this man in a Superman\Batman film needs to be slapped with a handgun.
 
2013-08-02 12:05:05 PM

Confabulat: I really liked Avengers, but I'll watch Man of Steel more than once.


I have watched Superman 3 probably a dozen times over the years.

I have watched Superman Returns at least 4-5 times.

I have watched the Avengers at this point probably 5 times.

I have watched all 3 Iron Man films multiple times.

I have watched the Nolan Batfilms multiple times and watched Dark Knight ALONE at least 6 times, probably more.

I have watched X-Men Origins: Wolverine 4 times.

I have watched X-Men First Class 4 times at least.

I have watched "X-Men 3 - This Time It Sucks" probably 3 times.

I don't give a shiat if I EVER see Man of Steel again.

And I am telling you this - this is NOT a good sign.
 
2013-08-02 12:08:29 PM

frepnog: And I am telling you this - this is NOT a good sign.


For you. Doesn't matter to me at all.
 
2013-08-02 12:08:56 PM

Rwa2play: Hebalo: In that case, you must love the shiat out of Gone With the Wind!!!!

Rotten Tomatoes:

Man of Steel:  56% (RT), 77% (audience)

Fine, you can say that RT was pretty biased about it and the audience was far more balanced...except

The Avengers:  92% (RT)....90% (audience)

So...any more farts in the wind you want to pass? ;)


Sigh....


So, first you reply that Avengers is better because BOX OFFICE!!!!!

When I call you on that, you throw some RT numbers up, and claim I'm the asshole.


WTF dude? How can we converse if you're going to be scattered and nonsensical?

TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore
 
2013-08-02 12:10:48 PM

trapped-in-CH: I just found out today they did an animated version of the Dark Knight returns.  Watched a couple of clips on youtube.  it's nearly a copy of the book.  The voices suck though.


Watch it on Blu Ray if you can.  I've seen movies that aren't directed as well. I thought the voices were perfect for this project - not quite as cartoonish as B:TAS.
 
2013-08-02 12:11:16 PM

frepnog: Rwa2play: Hebalo: In that case, you must love the shiat out of Gone With the Wind!!!!

Rotten Tomatoes:

Man of Steel:  56% (RT), 77% (audience)

Fine, you can say that RT was pretty biased about it and the audience was far more balanced...except

The Avengers:  92% (RT)....90% (audience)

So...any more farts in the wind you want to pass? ;)

yeah, I'm sorry as I can be, but as a super hero film, Avengers BEATS THE PANTS off of Man of Steel.  IT JUST DOES.  It is a better film all around.

Not fanboy bullshiat from me.  I LOVE comics, I am a life long Superman fan.  As a comic book\Superman fan, Man of Steel was DISAPPOINTING.  World's Finest will likely outright SUCK.


I'm a big DC fanboy in my own right since a) the first exposure was to Captain Marvel and Isis and b) I went to see the Superman movie in the theaters...when I was 5 years old.  Right now?  WB doesn't have a farking clue as to how to properly use their DCU.  I was exposed to Marvel a little later on, but I want DC to succeed just as much as Marvel.  You want a Magic/Bird situation with Marvel/DC; not a Michael hitting the jumper over Ehlo...every time.

[pixel.nymag.com image 560x831]

and I don't care WHO he plays, who ever cast this man in a Superman\Batman film needs to be slapped with a handgun.


Oh I can see WB farking that chicken in some form.  Frankly, they need to do MoS 2 first in order to set up World's Finest...but that's just me.
 
2013-08-02 12:13:16 PM

Hebalo: Mugato: Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.

That hug smile on the face of Superman when he flew for the first time was SO DOUR!!!!!! The scene where he puts on a cape in his backyard and his parents look on was JOYLESS!!!! The revenge scene with the trucker was UNACCEPTABLY SERIOUS!!!!

Seriously, WTF?


Settle. The f*ck. Down.

What the hell is wrong with you?
 
2013-08-02 12:13:49 PM

frepnog: Confabulat: I really liked Avengers, but I'll watch Man of Steel more than once.

I have watched Superman 3 probably a dozen times over the years.

I have watched Superman Returns at least 4-5 times.

I have watched the Avengers at this point probably 5 times.

I have watched all 3 Iron Man films multiple times.

I have watched the Nolan Batfilms multiple times and watched Dark Knight ALONE at least 6 times, probably more.

I have watched X-Men Origins: Wolverine 4 times.

I have watched X-Men First Class 4 times at least.

I have watched "X-Men 3 - This Time It Sucks" probably 3 times.

I don't give a shiat if I EVER see Man of Steel again.

And I am telling you this - this is NOT a good sign.


This; MoS should be "Iron Man"/"The Dark Knight"/"Superman: The Movie" levels of "If it's on, I will drop what I'm doing and watch this, even halfway through."  Frankly, it's not.
 
2013-08-02 12:14:00 PM

TheOriginalEd: [i.imgur.com image 400x300]
This was the best batman. Not too serious, not too silly. fark you people and your grimdark bullshiat. Im tired of overly edgy batman.


Wow, overreact much?

The Nolan films were awesome.  Just let us have them and you all can go back to your craptacular gimmicky Batman.

/liked the animated series too
//always wondered why Batman had to shoot his grapple gun to avoid falling to his death in almost every single episode.  Became like The A Team rolling a car in every episode.
 
2013-08-02 12:15:01 PM

Hebalo: TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore


You know how I know you're a DC mark?
 
2013-08-02 12:16:18 PM

Cargo: Hebalo: Mugato: Man of Steel was just so dour and joyless. It's like some suit saw the Dark Knight movies and figured all comic book movies should be dark and gritty and emo. That just doesn't work with Superman. At least The Avengers had personality.

That hug smile on the face of Superman when he flew for the first time was SO DOUR!!!!!! The scene where he puts on a cape in his backyard and his parents look on was JOYLESS!!!! The revenge scene with the trucker was UNACCEPTABLY SERIOUS!!!!

Seriously, WTF?

Settle. The f*ck. Down.

What the hell is wrong with you?


Sorry Dad. Did my use of Cap offend you or something?
 
2013-08-02 12:16:59 PM

Rwa2play: Hebalo: TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore

You know how I know you're a DC mark?


Sigh. You're just proving my point.
 
2013-08-02 12:17:46 PM

Rwa2play: Hebalo: TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore

You know how I know you're a DC mark?


Forgot to add:  You know what's a better movie than "Man of Steel"? "All-Star Superman".
 
2013-08-02 12:40:00 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: /you can make checks payable to IdBeCrazyIf


holy shiat. If they make something as good as that, I'll be surprised.
 
2013-08-02 12:49:40 PM

Rwa2play: I don't give a shiat if I EVER see Man of Steel again.

And I am telling you this - this is NOT a good sign.

This; MoS should be "Iron Man"/"The Dark Knight"/"Superman: The Movie" levels of "If it's on, I will drop what I'm doing and watch this, even halfway through." Frankly, it's not.


that was my point.  Man of Steel, to me, as a comic book fan, should mean more to me than "generic movie number 104" that I don't hate to have seen but will never watch again.  It isn't even in "Hot Fuzz" territory, where I like it, I own a copy, I have seen it a couple times but don't go out of my way to rewatch.  It is firmly in "Bridesmaids" territory.  I don't want to kill all involved, but I will never search it out on my own to rewatch and I certainly don't care to own a copy.  That is what I mean when I tell people that it will be forgotten.  IF World's Finest is WELL reviewed, I MIGHT rewatch Man of Steel then as a refresher on this version of Superman, but even that is iffy, honestly and if I do watch it then I see myself skipping thru it.

It just...  guys, it just ain't that good a film.  I wanted it to be.  I wish it was.  But it just isn't.
 
2013-08-02 01:07:02 PM
It's just in Man of Steel, Superman wasn't really a hero. Hundreds of thousands of people were killed (pretty much because of him) when they destroyed Smallville and Metropolis but he saved Lois Lane...for some reason. And then he SPOILERS snapped Zod's neck, which Batman wouldn't even do. I dunno. it just didn't seem very Superman to me and I'm not even a Superman fan.
 
2013-08-02 01:09:24 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: /you can make checks payable to IdBeCrazyIf


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-02 01:22:15 PM

Mugato: It's just in Man of Steel, Superman wasn't really a hero. Hundreds of thousands of people were killed (pretty much because of him) when they destroyed Smallville and Metropolis but he saved Lois Lane...for some reason. And then he SPOILERS snapped Zod's neck, which Batman wouldn't even do. I dunno. it just didn't seem very Superman to me and I'm not even a Superman fan.


We've covered that ground many times, but you can just as easily attribute the Smallville destruction to the US Army, as they opened fire on main street, and continued attacking once it was proven ineffective. Metropolis was totaled by the World Engine/Ship combo, which Superman was quite busy in Asia trying to stop. The very end of the Superman Zod fight was in a more populated area, but Supes wasn't really in a position to draw Zod away, as Zod's goal was killing humans. Didn't really have another way to stop Zod from killing that family, told Zod to stop. Zod stated he wouldn't ("Never".). You could just as easily and correctly point the finger at Jor-El for sending Kal to a populated planet, or Zod for insisting that Earth be the new home of Krypton, but saying that Superman himself is responsible for the deaths is stretching at best. He even surrendered to Zod to avoid that happening.
 
2013-08-02 02:01:26 PM

Rwa2play: 4.bp.blogspot.com


farkeruk: holy shiat. If they make something as good as that, I'll be surprised.


I have faith that something similar will be on screen. Goyer knows how to write.

I would even add in some corporate espionage between Lexcorp and Wayne Enterprises, with Batman finding evidence in his fight against the crime bosses that LexCorp has its hand in organized crime and the cartel drug business which helps fund his secretive tech end. Lois thinks she has something but can never break the story, she is there covering LexCorp's business dealing as a cover because she thinks Lex is hiding something that she found during her coverage of said Rwanda conflict that Superman prevents.

You get a shot late one night as Lois is now in her new corner office, pouring over information looking for some detail she's missed. It's raining and thundering pretty hard. She casually looks up at the window to see water pouring over the office windows. She turns back down and mutters at a corporate photo of Lex "I know you are dirty you son of a biatch, I just know it".

Just then into shot of her staring down at her desk in an overhead shoot, a manilla envelope drops onto her desk. She's startles and looks up quickly. There he stands, the Batman. He explains to her "It's all there Miss Lane, everything you need that you thought you found in Rwanda". She picks it up and opens it, and we get quick shots of her looking over everything that damns Lex. She's so entrenched in the documents she doesn't notice the breeze that just went past her. She goes to say something "This is going to bur.." and when she turns, he's gone. The window is open and we are left with nothing but the low silence that is rain on a dark night.

.....I really outta start writing this shiat down one of these days
 
2013-08-02 02:14:18 PM
Fanbois 2012: whine whine whine Superman is boring he's just a dumb boy scout worse superhero ever whine whine whine

Fanbois 2013: whine whine whine Superman isn't supposed to be interesting or conflicted he's supposed to be a dumb boy scout whine whine whine
 
2013-08-02 02:19:03 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Rwa2play: 4.bp.blogspot.com

farkeruk: holy shiat. If they make something as good as that, I'll be surprised.

I have faith that something similar will be on screen. Goyer knows how to write.

I would even add in some corporate espionage between Lexcorp and Wayne Enterprises, with Batman finding evidence in his fight against the crime bosses that LexCorp has its hand in organized crime and the cartel drug business which helps fund his secretive tech end. Lois thinks she has something but can never break the story, she is there covering LexCorp's business dealing as a cover because she thinks Lex is hiding something that she found during her coverage of said Rwanda conflict that Superman prevents.

You get a shot late one night as Lois is now in her new corner office, pouring over information looking for some detail she's missed. It's raining and thundering pretty hard. She casually looks up at the window to see water pouring over the office windows. She turns back down and mutters at a corporate photo of Lex "I know you are dirty you son of a biatch, I just know it".

Just then into shot of her staring down at her desk in an overhead shoot, a manilla envelope drops onto her desk. She's startles and looks up quickly. There he stands, the Batman. He explains to her "It's all there Miss Lane, everything you need that you thought you found in Rwanda". She picks it up and opens it, and we get quick shots of her looking over everything that damns Lex. She's so entrenched in the documents she doesn't notice the breeze that just went past her. She goes to say something "This is going to bur.." and when she turns, he's gone. The window is open and we are left with nothing but the low silence that is rain on a dark night.

.....I really outta start writing this shiat down one of these days


Favorited with comment: "He can write better than those assholes in Hollyweird"
 
2013-08-02 02:34:25 PM

Rwa2play: Favorited with comment: "He can write better than those assholes in Hollyweird"


While appreciative, given who we are talking about at times that doesn't require that much more talent. ;)
 
2013-08-02 02:48:19 PM

Hebalo: We've covered that ground many times, but you can just as easily attribute the Smallville destruction to the US Army


And why was the US army in Smallville in the first place? Because Superman carried Zod away from a remote farm, across a remote cornfield, and then slammed him into a populated area to have a big showdown.

/Leaving his mother back at the mercy of two dangerous Kryptonians, to boot.
//Good thing they didn't decide to harm her now that noone was going to stop them.
///But hey at least we got to see Supes wail on a guy like something out a prison yard scene as he brought the fight to an innocent population, so that's awesome.
 
2013-08-02 02:49:50 PM

Fafai: And why was the US army in Smallville in the first place? Because Superman carried Zod away from a remote farm, across a remote cornfield, and then slammed him into a populated area to have a big showdown.

/Leaving his mother back at the mercy of two dangerous Kryptonians, to boot.


They had advanced knowledge of where they were going based on tracking, also if your general was suddenly zipped off into the distance wouldn't you go figure out what the fark happened?
 
2013-08-02 02:56:20 PM
Details. Yes the army was in the area but they weren't going to start firing at shiat for no reason. There's no denying Supes brought that fight away from the outskirts and into the town. That's just one nitpick. The whole farking movie was terribly written. It's a piece of shiat.
 
2013-08-02 02:59:01 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: also if your general was suddenly zipped off into the distance wouldn't you go figure out what the fark happened?


I find it hard to believe they wouldn't take her with them as a hostage. The whole farking movie (Russel Crowe excluded) was a total shiat-show, admit it.
 
2013-08-02 03:01:49 PM

Fafai: I find it hard to believe they wouldn't take her with them as a hostage. The whole farking movie (Russel Crowe excluded) was a total shiat-show, admit it.


It had its flaws, and a couple of really bad lines. Not necessarily bad scenes really just lines during those scenes. But it was a decent movie to get a foot hold for the DC universe at large.
 
2013-08-02 03:08:53 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Fafai: I find it hard to believe they wouldn't take her with them as a hostage. The whole farking movie (Russel Crowe excluded) was a total shiat-show, admit it.

It had its flaws, and a couple of really bad lines. Not necessarily bad scenes really just lines during those scenes. But it was a decent movie to get a foot hold for the DC universe at large.


In the trailer I was happy to see Superman, in costume, hugging his Ma at the farm. Its one thing Donner got wrong (`Bye Mom, I`m leaving you now after your husband just died. I won`t be coming to visit even though I can travel at the speed of light. Enjoy your newfound widowhood.`)

But the context for that hug! Had I known it was basically `Hey, glad to see you`re still alive after I stranded you with two supervillains so I could go destroy Smallville,` then I ... still would`ve paid to see the movie. *hangs head*
 
2013-08-02 03:15:10 PM
"Miller sucks" examples:

Dark Knight Strikes Again
Spawn vs Batman
All-star Batman (though it is unintentionally hilarious)
Holy Terror
The Spirit (film)

The fact that 3 of those involve Batman and the fact that the movie he did without Rodriguez to hold his hand was universally bad should rightfully scare anyone who cares about the next Batman project being good.
 
2013-08-02 03:26:09 PM

Fafai: But the context for that hug! Had I known it was basically `Hey, glad to see you`re still alive after I stranded you with two supervillains so I could go destroy Smallville,` then I ... still would`ve paid to see the movie. *hangs head*


And the bad part is that they know this, lol
 
2013-08-02 03:35:08 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Fafai: But the context for that hug! Had I known it was basically `Hey, glad to see you`re still alive after I stranded you with two supervillains so I could go destroy Smallville,` then I ... still would`ve paid to see the movie. *hangs head*

And the bad part is that they know this, lol


Yeah. Next time I'll buy a ticket for a different movie and theater-hop. There's also DVD sales, so even knowing the ticket sales are locked in, they do have reason to try to make good films.
 
2013-08-02 03:41:28 PM

deadguyinc: "Miller sucks" examples:

Dark Knight Strikes Again
Spawn vs Batman
All-star Batman (though it is unintentionally hilarious)
Holy Terror
The Spirit (film)

The fact that 3 of those involve Batman and the fact that the movie he did without Rodriguez to hold his hand was universally bad should rightfully scare anyone who cares about the next Batman project being good.


Holy Terror was also written as a Batman story.  DC just refused to publish it.

So that makes four.
 
2013-08-02 03:46:39 PM

Rwa2play: Rwa2play: Hebalo: TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore

You know how I know you're a DC mark?

Forgot to add:  You know what's a better movie than "Man of Steel"? "All-Star Superman".


My favorite Superman movie is probably Superman vs. The Elite.  The greatest thing is that the conflict strikes Superman in a way that no world-conquering supervillain ever could -- by attacking his entire philosophy.  After watching that, you'll really understand exactly how Man of Steel got Superman completely wrong.
 
2013-08-02 03:55:56 PM

HeartBurnKid: Rwa2play: Rwa2play: Hebalo: TO start with, buddy didn't give his reasoning as to why he thought Man of Steel was better, so it's tricky to debate his point. There are certainly a number of metrics by which Man of Steel was better. Or am I making too much sense for Fark2013? If so, then maybe I should have said "AVENGERS????? Lick my balls, MoS is the SHIAT!!!!!!"

/Looks around
/Barely recognize this place anymore

You know how I know you're a DC mark?

Forgot to add:  You know what's a better movie than "Man of Steel"? "All-Star Superman".

My favorite Superman movie is probably Superman vs. The Elite.  The greatest thing is that the conflict strikes Superman in a way that no world-conquering supervillain ever could -- by attacking his entire philosophy.  After watching that, you'll really understand exactly how Man of Steel got Superman completely wrong.


I just saw that like 2 weeks ago, fantastic movie.  Explains why and how Superman will never cross "that line".
 
2013-08-02 04:27:49 PM

Hebalo: Lol. Love it. Farkers hacking on Miller's Batman? Of all human beings on the planet, Miller understands Batman better than anyone. Arguments to the contrary are risable at best. Even All Star Batman and Robin was more original, more groundbreaking than anything since. Scott Snyder writes a good story, but he's nowhere near Miller's level.


Jeph Loeb. I'm not a huge fan of his, but  The Long Halloween is a damn masterpiece. Miller wrote 2 great Batman books and 2 horrifically bad ones. I mean,  All-Star is essentially the wackiness of Adam West's Batman but on the gritty side of the spectrum.

/also, he couldn't write an adult female to save his life.
 
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