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2013-08-02 12:24:15 AM

ZeroCorpse: FTFC:

Frank Miller is to Batman as Rob Liefeld is to drawing feet.


Proving definitively that you should have called yourself ZeroTaste.
 
2013-08-02 12:24:22 AM

HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too


This.  The man wrote two tremendous stories 20 years ago.  He's been destroying his legacy ever since.  He's the George Lucas of comic book writing.
 
2013-08-02 12:29:00 AM

Wayne 985: You're going into overexposure.


Welcome to the internet.
 
2013-08-02 12:31:51 AM

frestcrallen: Wayne 985: You're going into overexposure.

Welcome to the internet.


I'm talking about the movies, not the discussion of them.
 
2013-08-02 12:39:08 AM

AntonChigger: Hobodeluxe:

Damn I loved that scene so much. People tend to forget the reason batman could beat superman is because he's a dirty, rotten, cheating bastard, and superman isn't.


Cheat? He didn't cheat. He leveled the playing field.
 
2013-08-02 12:42:17 AM

Wayne 985: frestcrallen: Wayne 985: You're going into overexposure.

Welcome to the internet.

I'm talking about the movies, not the discussion of them.


I agree.  I'm not super familiar with the DC Comics lineup, but I'm sure they have some other options that could headline a movie.

Then again, I thought they were beating Spiderman into the ground, but I watched latest, The Amazing Spiderman, the other night, and I thought it was good, at least as good as the first Toby Maguire movie, so, who knows.
 
2013-08-02 12:43:51 AM

Hebalo: Why are you sorry? If your whole argument consists of HA! I DIDN'T LIKE TWO THINGS HE WROTE, SO HE BLOWS!!!!!11111!!!!!, I'm ignoring it anyway.


I think we can all agree that TDNR2 sucked.
 
2013-08-02 12:50:48 AM

Mentat: Hebalo: Why are you sorry? If your whole argument consists of HA! I DIDN'T LIKE TWO THINGS HE WROTE, SO HE BLOWS!!!!!11111!!!!!, I'm ignoring it anyway.

I think we can all agree that TDNR2 sucked.


It had its moments, but certainly a disappointment comparatively. My point stands. Miller knows Batman better than anyone, has written the two best Batman stories ever, and yet some asshole on the net just points at a lesser work and claims the guy sucks because of it.
 
2013-08-02 12:56:37 AM

Wayne 985: I'm talking about the movies, not the discussion of them.


Point taken.  The two seem to blur together these days...get off my lawn etc.

I could still watch a S vs. B flick if it's done well.  As long as there are no zombies in it.
 
2013-08-02 01:05:29 AM

HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too


that was incredibly unintentionally funny.  The "eight-year old dick grayson" said 1000 times and the superman who couldnt fly but ran accross oceans carrying cars cracked me the fark up.
 
2013-08-02 01:16:11 AM
Denny O'Neil is still alive.  He did more to revitalize the Batman and Joker than any other modern writer.  Why doesn't someone talk to him?
 
2013-08-02 01:16:51 AM

Hebalo: Mentat: Hebalo: Why are you sorry? If your whole argument consists of HA! I DIDN'T LIKE TWO THINGS HE WROTE, SO HE BLOWS!!!!!11111!!!!!, I'm ignoring it anyway.

I think we can all agree that TDNR2 sucked.

It had its moments, but certainly a disappointment comparatively. My point stands. Miller knows Batman better than anyone, has written the two best Batman stories ever, and yet some asshole on the net just points at a lesser work and claims the guy sucks because of it.


There's no doubt that Miller is probably the most influential Batman writer in the modern era.  TDKR redefined the character in a way that still dominates today.  That said, Miller is pretty hit or miss.  There doesn't seem to be much in between.
 
2013-08-02 01:26:04 AM

Keywork99: I personally don't mind if someone didn't like it - I mean, you're free to dislike whatever you want. But my point is that people really overstate how bad they think it is. There are far worse films out there. Hell, there were a bunch of films released the same year that were worse.


its not a bad movie... ironically I think it was trying too hard to be an excellent movie. if it had stuck to the conceit the trailers suggested and just been hot young women fighting dragons and robot samurai just to be a genre flick, it probably would be lauded (because the effects and action were fantastic in that odd way that Snyder does things.) Trying to turn it into a statement though... foolish.
 
2013-08-02 01:26:04 AM
I'll always be grateful for Miller and work on DD, especially creating Elektra, but now he needs to go away.
 
2013-08-02 01:30:42 AM
They should not be talking about a new take on Batman. The Nolan movies resuscitated DC in the movie world, and Snyder's "Man of Steel" was good enough not to destroy that groundwork. So build on that groundwork instead of trying to replace or outdo it, neither of which seems to be something Snyder is capable of doing well. Fill it out with other important characters. Someone should do a Wonder Woman movie, and a Flash movie could certainly be both smart and sufficiently spectacular to bring in and satisfy fans and the general public. Use something like that to ground a Justice League franchise, and we'd be happy to have Joseph Gordon-Levitt as the Batman in a JLA movie, since he's been well set up for it. Don't do a new take on your only universally admired film version of one of your core characters.
 
2013-08-02 01:37:04 AM

Robert1966: They should not be talking about a new take on Batman. The Nolan movies resuscitated DC in the movie world, and Snyder's "Man of Steel" was good enough not to destroy that groundwork. So build on that groundwork instead of trying to replace or outdo it, neither of which seems to be something Snyder is capable of doing well. Fill it out with other important characters. Someone should do a Wonder Woman movie, and a Flash movie could certainly be both smart and sufficiently spectacular to bring in and satisfy fans and the general public. Use something like that to ground a Justice League franchise, and we'd be happy to have Joseph Gordon-Levitt as the Batman in a JLA movie, since he's been well set up for it. Don't do a new take on your only universally admired film version of one of your core characters.


I know it's not the same character, and not even a DC franchise, but they should seriously do a Flash Gordon reboot.  SyFy had a short-lived Flash Gordon series that I really liked, but of course they canned it way too soon.  It was cheesy, but so was the original movie, it was fun and entertaining.

Schumacher was awful for Batman, but his style could really work for a new Flash Gordon movie.  Or, maybe they could let Baz Luhrmann or Kevin Smith have a go.
 
2013-08-02 02:13:09 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Robert1966: They should not be talking about a new take on Batman. The Nolan movies resuscitated DC in the movie world, and Snyder's "Man of Steel" was good enough not to destroy that groundwork. So build on that groundwork instead of trying to replace or outdo it, neither of which seems to be something Snyder is capable of doing well. Fill it out with other important characters. Someone should do a Wonder Woman movie, and a Flash movie could certainly be both smart and sufficiently spectacular to bring in and satisfy fans and the general public. Use something like that to ground a Justice League franchise, and we'd be happy to have Joseph Gordon-Levitt as the Batman in a JLA movie, since he's been well set up for it. Don't do a new take on your only universally admired film version of one of your core characters.

I know it's not the same character, and not even a DC franchise, but they should seriously do a Flash Gordon reboot.  SyFy had a short-lived Flash Gordon series that I really liked, but of course they canned it way too soon.  It was cheesy, but so was the original movie, it was fun and entertaining.

Schumacher was awful for Batman, but his style could really work for a new Flash Gordon movie.  Or, maybe they could let Baz Luhrmann or Kevin Smith have a go.


Flash Gordon is completely off topic, since he has nothing to do with DC. In any case, the 70s (well, 1980) was the last chance to do a movie version because those who had grown up on the fun, cheesy Buster Crabbe serials were about the right age for it. If it were done now with a similar property aimed at the same age group of geeks, it might have a chance, but the market didn't really exist when it was made. And almost nobody now gives a rat's ass about Flash Gordon, a character created and developed for a time that's alien to today's audiences - and I say that as a fan of zeerust whose father was the right age for the 1980 movie. It's dated and pointless to me, and I'm in my mid forties. Nobody in the most coveted demographic is going to care even a little. Just ask John Carter.
 
2013-08-02 02:30:30 AM
The keaton movies were good.

The clooneys were popcorn worthy.

The nolan were good. Bane was a pussy, but meh.

All have production quality i can watch today without getting annoyed.

Why make another bat now?
 
2013-08-02 02:48:19 AM
I can't believe no on has mentioned The Spirit yet. Miller took one of comic's greatest characters and the works of a master story-teller and turned it into an unimaginable piece of shiat. He should never be allowed near a film production ever again and he should publicly apologize to the ghost of Will Eisner.
 
2013-08-02 02:52:04 AM

Dr.Zom: I can't believe no on has mentioned The Spirit yet. Miller took one of comic's greatest characters and the works of a master story-teller and turned it into an unimaginable piece of shiat. He should never be allowed near a film production ever again and he should publicly apologize to the ghost of Will Eisner.


You were the only person who saw it.
 
2013-08-02 02:52:40 AM

Wayne 985: Jesus, can we farkin' stop with Batman? We had the best superhero series of all time with Nolan's films. They spanned seven years and the last came out last year. MOVE ON TO SOMETHING GODDAMN ELSE.

I say this as an ardent fan of that character. You're going into overexposure.


It's quite shrewd of DC/WB to do this after MoS response was pretty much split down the middle. Fans will always complain yet still buy anything, but MoS was just too offensive to lots of people who really love Superman. I think they know this. A MoS sequel would have been the line in the sand for a lot of people ("no way I'm paying for a sequel to that piece of shiat").

Easy answer: introduce the new Batman.

Short term, it's brilliant. But I hope you're right about the overexposure. I really want to see this franchise fail.

/Way to admit you're a one-trick pony, DC.
//The "Batman Begins" treatment wasn't enough, now they have to literally put Batman into the movie.
///It's pathetic.
 
2013-08-02 03:00:20 AM

Fafai: MoS was just too offensive to lots of people who really love Superman


Who in the hell are these people exactly? And what's their deal? Who are these super Superman fans, and why aren't they more vocal as a rule?

And really, MoS OFFENDED people? Wow.
 
2013-08-02 03:31:43 AM

Confabulat: Who in the hell are these people exactly?


People who enjoy quality movies.
 
2013-08-02 06:18:19 AM
Christ, why doesn't he also meet with Rob Liefeld and Jeph Loeb while he's at it?

That way he can complete comic books' Unholy Trifecta fo Suck
 
2013-08-02 06:28:33 AM

Mad_Radhu: The problem with the movie is that with most everything happening in a character's head, there are no stakes to what happens onscreen. It's literally full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. With no stakes, you have a boring story.


There are absolutely stakes to the action scenes. Because they are careless, Rocket dies during the train sequence. It also provides the impetus for Blondie to betray the team to Blue. This is the most obvious example, granted, but to say there are no stakes at all is just not true.
 
2013-08-02 06:29:49 AM

ZeroCorpse: FTFC:

Frank Miller is to Batman as Rob Liefeld is to drawing feet.


Obscure?
 
2013-08-02 06:58:07 AM

Smoking GNU: ZeroCorpse: FTFC:

Frank Miller is to Batman as Rob Liefeld is to drawing feet.

Obscure?




Hardly
 
2013-08-02 08:00:11 AM
I'd bring up Holy Terror, since it's a more recent Frank Miller book than the ones mentioned,  but I'll wager most people haven't read it.

It's basically a 9/11 Batman story, with a palette-swapped Batman and Catwoman.
 
2013-08-02 08:21:42 AM
TuteTibiImperes:
I know it's not the same character, and not even a DC franchise, but they should seriously do a Flash Gordon reboot.  SyFy had a short-lived Flash Gordon series that I really liked, but of course they canned it way too soon.  It was cheesy, but so was the original movie, it was fun and entertaining.

Schumacher was awful for Batman, but his style could really work for a new Flash Gordon movie.  Or, maybe they could let Baz Luhrmann or Kevin Smith have a go.


You know what's weird? Some of the trailers/teasers for the SciFi Flash Gordon series put in Queen's music, and that got me super pumped for it, because the soundtrack is the best part of that movie, aside from Brian Blessed.

And then it didn't have any of that soundtrack, and it was the worse for it (though I kept watching it to see what they'd do with it)

I likened it to Enterprise's non-Star-Trek theme song.
 
2013-08-02 08:44:48 AM

Fafai: It's quite shrewd of DC/WB to do this after MoS response was pretty much split down the middle. Fans will always complain yet still buy anything, but MoS was just too offensive to lots of people who really love Superman. I think they know this. A MoS sequel would have been the line in the sand for a lot of people ("no way I'm paying for a sequel to that piece of shiat").


I've posted this several times here but you do this by making a MoS 2, but not really have it be about Superman.

Government contracts out to try and mitigate the perceived Kryptonian threat. Two companies respond that being LexCorp and Wayne Enterprises. Bruce being who he is, has already tested his theory early on in the movie on a Clark Kent covering a masked vigilante in Gotham who is fighting crime bosses and winning. Clark unsure tries to figure out who the masked man is, but the mask is shielded some how.

Wayne Enterprises is awarded the contract. Lex is pissed beyond pissed and is bound and determined to prove that not only his solution is superior but also to eliminate Superman because humanity can do it themselves, this after watching Superman do some crazy shiat in like Rwanda or some shiat to stop a mass genocide. He stages a terrorism events to try and lure Superman out and test different pieces of his tech to eliminate Superman.

Meanwhile, Batman shows up at Lois's office while she is editing an article about Lexcorp and its critical role in the rebuilding of Metropolis. He gives her all the information she needs that prove Lex is behind the terrorism attacks and its a plot to try and kill Superman. The story breaks the next day and LexCorp tanks in the market, Luthor faced with abject destitution and ridicule snaps and gets in his Superman busting suit using all the tested tech from previous encounters and goes ape shiat. Superman shows up, but the tech proves solid. Using backwards engineered Kryptonian tech, the weapons prove to hold Superman at bay. Just then we get entrance of Batman in jet and the two work together to take Lex down, with it ultimately being that Batman has found a way to disable to suit, he just needs the muscle (Superman) to deliver it.

Final shots of the movie have Superman on stage with Bruce Wayne, and Wayne gives a rousing speech claiming his intent to purchase parts of the now wrecked LexCorp to help rebuild Metropolis again and that once done he intend to give it back to the people as a cooperative investment. He speaks on the unity of working together no matter what our differences are, and the importance of acceptance..specifically referencing Superman. He then turns to Superman and the two raise hands together to a roaring crowd, and Bruce under his breath essentially lets in on who he is and how they should work together more often and that he knows he's Clark.

Last shot of the movie has Lex inside a prison cell. He's sitting and listening to this voice drone on and drone, a cell next door and inside the man just talks and talks and talks. Banal shiat, stupid stuff, just nonsensical ramblings. The long shot draws into Lex's face and we see how detested he is, just pissed beyond pissed and utter contempt. The voice then stops and we have a pause. A look of relief washes over Lex's face and then the voice comes on again, except this time its more sinister and monster sounding and it says "Listen, You and I...we're two peas in a pod. We're destined for better than this. You want revenge, I want to have fun doing it"

Just then we hear more distantly a guard says "Hey lady, you can't be in here this is a restricted ar" Gunshots ensue, we hear a lot of commotion outside, but the shot never leaves Lex's face we just see his reaction to the sound stimulus. Finally silence, and we hear a cell door open. The voice then comes on again "Tell you what, I'm looking for partnership. If you ever feel like you're better than this then call me, here's my card"

The shot then ends with a look at the bottom of Lex's cell door, and we see a playing card slide under the door. Lex slowly moves to pick up the card, turns it over and the reveal that it's a Joker card.


There, we've rebooted Batman and effectively introduced both Legion of Doom and the makings of a Justice League.

/you can make checks payable to IdBeCrazyIf
 
2013-08-02 08:54:07 AM

Popcorn Johnny: After all the DC hate by Marvel Fanboys, it's going to be so farking awesome watching this movie become the highest grossing superhero movie of all time.


Batman/Superman: Thrown Through Buildings

I cannot wait to see it!
 
2013-08-02 09:25:00 AM

Hebalo: Mentat: Hebalo: Why are you sorry? If your whole argument consists of HA! I DIDN'T LIKE TWO THINGS HE WROTE, SO HE BLOWS!!!!!11111!!!!!, I'm ignoring it anyway.

I think we can all agree that TDNR2 sucked.

It had its moments, but certainly a disappointment comparatively. My point stands. Miller knows Batman better than anyone, has written the two best Batman stories ever, and yet some asshole on the net just points at a lesser work and claims the guy sucks because of it.


Much like some fanboy on the net points to stuff from the '80s and claims Miller's still doing good work today.
 
2013-08-02 09:45:07 AM
i.imgur.com
This was the best batman. Not too serious, not too silly. fark you people and your grimdark bullshiat. Im tired of overly edgy batman.
 
2013-08-02 09:51:24 AM
Batman I grew up withis:
1. Adam West reruns
2. Superfriends + guest appearances on Scooby-Doo
3. Dark Knight Returns graphic novel
4. Batman the Animated Series (my favorite)
5. The various movies (eh...)
 
2013-08-02 09:52:36 AM

Keywork99: I'm so tired of people shiatting on Sucker Punch. It wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be.


yes, it really was, and I actually like the movie.  the fantasy scenes were cool but held no weight since it was all in her mind.  the story linking the cool parts sucked.  that made it a mishmash of cool imagery with a stupid plot - and add that to the fact that due to the time it was set, there was no way babydoll would have been able to imagine the imagery that was in her head - no frame of reference.
 
2013-08-02 09:57:10 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: The shot then ends with a look at the bottom of Lex's cell door, and we see a playing card slide under the door. Lex slowly moves to pick up the card, turns it over and the reveal that it's a Joker card.


the world isn't ready for a cinematic joker that isn't heath ledger just yet.

seriously.  not saying that no one else can ever play joker, hell Hamill's Joker is the definitive, but in movies Ledger cast a shadow that will darken any other actor's portrayal for quite some time.

Batman has great villains that are not Joker.  Let's leave Joker alone for awhile.
 
2013-08-02 10:00:41 AM

frepnog: yes, it really was, and I actually like the movie.  the fantasy scenes were cool but held no weight since it was all in her mind.  the story linking the cool parts sucked.  that made it a mishmash of cool imagery with a stupid plot - and add that to the fact that due to the time it was set, there was no way babydoll would have been able to imagine the imagery that was in her head - no frame of reference.


I believe in judging a movie based on the goals it itself attempts to reach.  SuckerPunch made no attempt at being cerebral, or even coherent.  It set out to make a badass fight movie with chicks in skimpy outfits.  And it knocked that out of the park.

Don't judge a chef for his ability to play a guitar.
 
2013-08-02 10:01:34 AM

frepnog: Batman has great villains that are not Joker.  Let's leave Joker alone for awhile.


I'm personally a fan of Two-Face and Mr. Freeze.  They've both been retooled to be extremely deep and sympathetic characters.
 
2013-08-02 10:03:39 AM

Kyro: frepnog: Batman has great villains that are not Joker.  Let's leave Joker alone for awhile.

I'm personally a fan of Two-Face and Mr. Freeze.  They've both been retooled to be extremely deep and sympathetic characters.


I am all for leaving Two-Face alone for a good while.  Mr. Freeze could be awesome if they would watch Heart of Ice.

But.  I want Clayface.  The tech is there now to do Clayface justice.   Let's see it.
 
2013-08-02 10:07:21 AM

frepnog: Batman has great villains that are not Joker. Let's leave Joker alone for awhile.


I think the public would do just fine but I understand. Fine, let's use Ras then
 
2013-08-02 10:08:12 AM

Corvus: Remember Frank Miller wrote this gem:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 231x341]



Actually Miller wrote this:
static.comicvine.com

that was then ADAPTED and Farked-up to:
upload.wikimedia.org

Elektra Assassin was amazing!
 
2013-08-02 10:08:20 AM

frepnog: the fantasy scenes were cool but held no weight since it was all in her mind.


This argument doesn't wash with me. It's an action movie. You already know the outcome going in because the good guys succeed in 99.99999% of them.
 
2013-08-02 10:15:36 AM

Hobodeluxe: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x1320]


HELL YES!!!
 
2013-08-02 10:19:00 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: the rebuilding of Metropolis.


But Metropolis is already perfectly fine the next day, remember? They're all going to the ball game. Yaay.


Kyro: SuckerPunch made no attempt at being cerebral


I don't buy that for a second. Clearly it was intended to be "deep" with all the different layers and the stupid symbolism. Snyder thinks himself a genius, there's no doubt.
 
2013-08-02 10:44:09 AM

Corvus: Remember Frank Miller wrote this gem:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 231x341]


Actually he wrote RoboCop 2; that wasn't too bad.
 
2013-08-02 10:45:47 AM
The guy knows how to write Batman? Hell yeah!!!

Issue is, he sucks writing Superman...

And as much as I love Batman, I really hate the dick sucking fest that every comic turns out to be when he makes crossovers.

/All Star Batman is frustrating even if it's hilariously bad...
 
2013-08-02 10:45:52 AM

Electrify: Really? I'm going to have to be the one who says it?

Bruce Timm and Paul Dini!!!

/while I'll admit I'm not always a big fan of their darker take on the DC Universe, they are hands down better than Frank Miller
//the only better authority would be Zombie Bob Kane


They are the leaders in the clubhouse; sadly, DC and WB do not go the farking clubhouse often enough.
 
2013-08-02 10:48:42 AM

Wayne 985: Jesus, can we farkin' stop with Batman? We had the best superhero series of all time with Nolan's films. They spanned seven years and the last came out last year. MOVE ON TO SOMETHING GODDAMN ELSE.

I say this as an ardent fan of that character. You're going into overexposure.


Tell that to DC and WB...they wanna beat that dead horse 'till there's nothing left.
 
2013-08-02 10:53:30 AM

DarkPascual: Issue is, he sucks writing Superman...


I dunno, I like the idea of Superman flying around, sinking battleships and performing black ops for Reagan. It's the sort of thing I could imagine a super powered alien raised on a  farm to fight for "truth justice and the American way" being talked into. I could see how that could piss off some Siperman fans though.
 
2013-08-02 10:54:48 AM
man of steel > avengers
 
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