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2013-08-01 08:53:41 PM
Frank Miller's response:

i14.photobucket.com

www.amptoons.com
 
2013-08-01 09:45:59 PM
Frank Miller's done nothing particularly interesting or original since the early 90s.
 
2013-08-01 10:08:10 PM
Step 1: Don't let Zack Snyder do it.
Step 2: Get ANYBODY ELSE.

I enjoy the movies he directs, not so much the movies he writes.

How you can make a movie based entirely around hot chicks doing fights scenes with detailed CGI monsters and robots to thumping techno-rock music and still have it turn out to be one of the dullest films of the decade is beyond me.

/ the title Sucker Punch was about eight characters too long
// 300 was okay, but technically somebody else wrote it first
 
2013-08-01 10:11:13 PM
What a Synder fella

www.filmsofevillights.org
 
2013-08-01 10:11:25 PM

Popcorn Johnny: After all the DC hate by Marvel Fanboys, it's going to be so farking awesome watching this movie become the highest grossing superhero movie of all time.


First week success, failure soon thereafter.

No way does it become the highest grossing superhero movie, especially since everything people enjoyed about the Batman movies will be gone.
 
2013-08-01 10:11:38 PM
I just found out today they did an animated version of the Dark Knight returns.  Watched a couple of clips on youtube.  it's nearly a copy of the book.  The voices suck though.
 
2013-08-01 10:12:26 PM

Popcorn Johnny: After all the DC hate by Marvel Fanboys, it's going to be so farking awesome watching this movie become the highest grossing superhero movie of all time.


Avengers 2 comes out the same summer, it'll be interesting to see how close they are scheduled next to each other.  Marvel has a lot of films coming out to keep interest in their universe between now and then, I can't think of any for DC.

/excited for all super hero movies!
//just make me a god damn Omega Red movie
 
2013-08-01 10:12:32 PM
skozlaw:How you can make a movie based entirely around hot chicks doing fights scenes with detailed CGI monsters and robots to thumping techno-rock music and still have it turn out to be one of the dullest films of the decade is beyond me.

I'm so tired of people shiatting on Sucker Punch. It wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be.

I wish I could live in a world where people thought the stuff in Sucker Punch was boring, because the stuff that they find awesome must be absolutely insane.
 
2013-08-01 10:15:37 PM
I'm happier if miller wasn't involved. Also is this thread where I say it will suck for no reason?
 
2013-08-01 10:16:20 PM
Give it to Whedon and it'll be a masterpiece.

Nuff said.
 
2013-08-01 10:20:20 PM

trapped-in-CH: I just found out today they did an animated version of the Dark Knight returns.  Watched a couple of clips on youtube.  it's nearly a copy of the book.  The voices suck though.


It's pretty good. I thought the voices were okay. RoboCop was Batman and Linus from Lost was The Joker.
 
2013-08-01 10:21:08 PM
Yeah, I'm sure a moron and a fascist will make a phenominal writing team. *jerk-off motion*
 
2013-08-01 10:21:56 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Frank Miller's response:

[i14.photobucket.com image 244x327]

[www.amptoons.com image 500x745]


I'll get the lights and turn on the Bat Signal on my way out.
 
2013-08-01 10:22:20 PM

Popcorn Johnny: After all the DC hate by Marvel Fanboys, it's going to be so farking awesome watching this movie become the highest grossing superhero movie of all time.


Warner Brothers isn't making it?
 
2013-08-01 10:23:08 PM

Keywork99: I'm so tired of people shiatting on Sucker Punch. It wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be.

I wish I could live in a world where people thought the stuff in Sucker Punch was boring, because the stuff that they find awesome must be absolutely insane.


You're in the minority for a reason. Most people found it boring.

The visuals alone? No, they were awesome. I especially like the pseudo-German trench warfare fight.

The music? Hell no, it was cool. I still look up the Bjork song from the first fight on Youtube when the fancy strikes.

But the movie as a whole, all its elements combined?

zZzzzzzzzzzz.......

It just doesn't work. The characters are just shallow and one-dimensional, the story is gibberish and the whole thing is too long. The opening scene was great, but the rest of the movie just didn't do anything interesting with it.
 
2013-08-01 10:24:38 PM

RexTalionis: Frank Miller's done nothing particularly interesting or original since the early 90s.


Not so. All-Star Batman and Robin featured Miller as the devil from the Simpsons stuffing Homer's maw with donuts, except replace Homer with juvenile fanboys and donuts with "all the sick perverted fantasies they have about grim gritty Batman."
 
2013-08-01 10:33:05 PM

trapped-in-CH: I just found out today they did an animated version of the Dark Knight returns.  Watched a couple of clips on youtube.  it's nearly a copy of the book.  The voices suck though.


The voice actors hit most of the more memorable lines pretty well all in all.  But there are definitely some stretches where they seemed to be mailing it in, especially Robocop.
 
2013-08-01 10:34:43 PM

skozlaw: The characters are just shallow and one-dimensional...


I always saw the five girls as a different aspect of the main character's personality (Babydoll being innocence, Sweet Pea being wisdom and maturity, Rocket being the feisty, fiery attitude, Blondie being insecurity [with her betraying the group to Blue in the end], and Amber being secure in sexuality). I don't know how many others saw it that way, personally (I heard some people say each girl was supposed to represent five different aspects of feminism), but that's just one thought. They're really just ciphers for the viewer to relate to. You can say that is shallow and one-dimensional, but I thought it was incredibly interesting.

...the story is gibberish...

The story is not that hard to understand and follow. People say they don't get it, and I don't understand how they can't. It's very straightforward as long as you pay attention.

...and the whole thing is too long.

It wasn't even two hours. But I suppose if you don't like something it can feel like a long time. Personally, I felt it could have gone longer.

I personally don't mind if someone didn't like it - I mean, you're free to dislike whatever you want. But my point is that people really overstate how bad they think it is. There are far worse films out there. Hell, there were a bunch of films released the same year that were worse.
 
2013-08-01 10:34:52 PM
bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too
 
2013-08-01 10:35:19 PM
So it will be a thinly-veiled fascist fantasy play?
 
2013-08-01 10:43:06 PM

trapped-in-CH: I just found out today they did an animated version of the Dark Knight returns.  Watched a couple of clips on youtube.  it's nearly a copy of the book.  The voices suck though.


Agreed. Peter Weller does not do a good Batman. Kevin Conroy 4 Life.

/Plus they removed the narration, which is where some of the best lines are.
 
2013-08-01 10:50:31 PM

YodaBlues: Agreed. Peter Weller does not do a good Batman. Kevin Conroy 4 Life


Nobody beats Conroy, but I got to say that I was pleasantly surprised with Diedrich Bader's go at it.
 
2013-08-01 10:56:04 PM
I'm waiting for the superhero thing to burn itself out, but it's staying out there, kinda like the zombie thing.

Oh!  Zombie Superman vs. Zombie Batman.

Or Superman vs. Batman vs. Zombies.  Give me my money.
 
2013-08-01 10:57:02 PM
Zack Synder?
 
2013-08-01 11:00:10 PM

Keywork99: People say they don't get it


I didn't say that, I said it was gibberish. Specifically, it was inane and boring gibberish. I get it, I just don't like it because I think it's shallow, pointless and it drags a silly little one-off skit out over too many segments that don't lead to an interesting conclusion. There's basically one scene repeated four times with different visuals as the meat of the movie and, I'm sorry, but if I wanted that I'd go play a video game that offers it.

Keywork99: There are far worse films out there


I didn't say it was the worst film I've ever seen, I'm just saying it was boring and Zack Snyder can't write a screenplay for shiat. It's not Caligula, but it earned it's bad reviews nonetheless.

/ shallow and pedantic, much like your cooking
 
2013-08-01 11:00:51 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I'm waiting for the superhero thing to burn itself out, but it's staying out there, kinda like the zombie thing.

Oh!  Zombie Superman vs. Zombie Batman.

Or Superman vs. Batman vs. Zombies.  Give me my money.


Been done, or near enough.
 
2013-08-01 11:01:44 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I'm waiting for the superhero thing to burn itself out, but it's staying out there, kinda like the zombie thing.

Oh!  Zombie Superman vs. Zombie Batman.

Or Superman vs. Batman vs. Zombies.  Give me my money.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
YOU GET NOTHING! GOOD DAY SIR!
 
2013-08-01 11:02:01 PM
bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-01 11:02:28 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I'm waiting for the superhero thing to burn itself out, but it's staying out there, kinda like the zombie thing.

Oh!  Zombie Superman vs. Zombie Batman.

Or Superman vs. Batman vs. Zombies.  Give me my money.


I have some really bad news for you....

./ Solomon Grundy alone comes pretty close to satisfying a lot of that comments....
 
2013-08-01 11:18:46 PM

Keywork99: skozlaw: The characters are just shallow and one-dimensional...

I always saw the five girls as a different aspect of the main character's personality (Babydoll being innocence, Sweet Pea being wisdom and maturity, Rocket being the feisty, fiery attitude, Blondie being insecurity [with her betraying the group to Blue in the end], and Amber being secure in sexuality). I don't know how many others saw it that way, personally (I heard some people say each girl was supposed to represent five different aspects of feminism), but that's just one thought. They're really just ciphers for the viewer to relate to. You can say that is shallow and one-dimensional, but I thought it was incredibly interesting.

...the story is gibberish...

The story is not that hard to understand and follow. People say they don't get it, and I don't understand how they can't. It's very straightforward as long as you pay attention.

...and the whole thing is too long.

It wasn't even two hours. But I suppose if you don't like something it can feel like a long time. Personally, I felt it could have gone longer.

I personally don't mind if someone didn't like it - I mean, you're free to dislike whatever you want. But my point is that people really overstate how bad they think it is. There are far worse films out there. Hell, there were a bunch of films released the same year that were worse.


The problem with the movie is that with most everything happening in a character's head, there are no stakes to what happens onscreen. It's literally full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. With no stakes, you have a boring story.
 
2013-08-01 11:20:07 PM
I was glad to hear that they were going for a more mature,seasoned Batman for this new DC universe archetype.  If the intent is to set the table for a JL movie Batman needs to be the sage of the group. The tactician and leader. That's what he brings to the table. Like Cap in the Avengers when he started calling the shots that's when the team became effective. He knew what each of their strengths were and how to best use them. Bats also brings the paranoia needed to plan for all contingencies. Where Supes is the boy scout who always looks for the bright side, Bats always prepares for the worst.
 
2013-08-01 11:23:46 PM
Remember Frank Miller wrote this gem:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-01 11:24:22 PM
And by "gem" I mean "turd"
 
2013-08-01 11:26:29 PM

HeartBurnKid: /the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.


His run on daredevil in the 80s was good.  Liked the cadence of his sentences and how he punctuated with action beats, before the style became parodied.  The edgy tone of the storylines was a nice counter to others at the time with characters visiting old aunts and stressing about rent.

Animated DKR was fun, they hit more than enough good notes to excuse the one or two places where text-to-screen fell a bit short.
 
2013-08-01 11:28:02 PM

HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too


Don't forget Ronin and the great work he did with Daredevil and wolverine but his first foray into films really sucked. I mean who gives Robocop wings?
 
2013-08-01 11:30:23 PM

hipstermonk: HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too

Don't forget Ronin and the great work he did with Daredevil and wolverine but his first foray into films really sucked. I mean who gives Robocop wings?


Jetpack-RoboCop fighting twin robot samurai?  I'd buy that for a dollar.

/probably not more than a dollar, though.
 
2013-08-01 11:34:43 PM

Hobodeluxe:


Damn I loved that scene so much. People tend to forget the reason batman could beat superman is because he's a dirty, rotten, cheating bastard, and superman isn't.
 
2013-08-01 11:39:16 PM

HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too


Daredevil Born Again was outstanding.

Daredevil Man Without Fear?  Sucked.

And Frank Miller has become a paranoid, psychotic asshole.  A real douche bag, as well as a shiatty writer.
 
2013-08-01 11:41:16 PM
Really? I'm going to have to be the one who says it?

Bruce Timm and Paul Dini!!!

/while I'll admit I'm not always a big fan of their darker take on the DC Universe, they are hands down better than Frank Miller
//the only better authority would be Zombie Bob Kane
 
2013-08-01 11:41:47 PM
Lol. Love it. Farkers hacking on Miller's Batman? Of all human beings on the planet, Miller understands Batman better than anyone. Arguments to the contrary are risable at best. Even All Star Batman and Robin was more original, more groundbreaking than anything since. Scott Snyder writes a good story, but he's nowhere near Miller's level.
 
2013-08-01 11:43:16 PM
Frank Miller is among the best in the game who've ever lived, so its always fun and intriguing to watch people try and tear him down.
 
2013-08-01 11:43:26 PM

RexTalionis: Frank Miller's done nothing particularly interesting or original since the early 90s.


Sin City was good.  I don't remember much about the plot, but it had a very cool visual style.  I think there's another Sin City movie in the works right now as well.
 
2013-08-01 11:44:50 PM

Keywork99: skozlaw: The characters are just shallow and one-dimensional...

I always saw the five girls as a different aspect of the main character's personality (Babydoll being innocence, Sweet Pea being wisdom and maturity, Rocket being the feisty, fiery attitude, Blondie being insecurity [with her betraying the group to Blue in the end], and Amber being secure in sexuality). I don't know how many others saw it that way, personally (I heard some people say each girl was supposed to represent five different aspects of feminism), but that's just one thought. They're really just ciphers for the viewer to relate to. You can say that is shallow and one-dimensional, but I thought it was incredibly interesting.

...the story is gibberish...

The story is not that hard to understand and follow. People say they don't get it, and I don't understand how they can't. It's very straightforward as long as you pay attention.

...and the whole thing is too long.

It wasn't even two hours. But I suppose if you don't like something it can feel like a long time. Personally, I felt it could have gone longer.

I personally don't mind if someone didn't like it - I mean, you're free to dislike whatever you want. But my point is that people really overstate how bad they think it is. There are far worse films out there. Hell, there were a bunch of films released the same year that were worse.


I tried explaining this yesterday, the plebs would have none of it.
 
2013-08-01 11:50:04 PM
Frank Miller? I thought Will Kane took care of him.
 
2013-08-01 11:56:20 PM

Hebalo: Lol. Love it. Farkers hacking on Miller's Batman? Of all human beings on the planet, Miller understands Batman better than anyone. Arguments to the contrary are risable at best. Even All Star Batman and Robin was more original, more groundbreaking than anything since. Scott Snyder writes a good story, but he's nowhere near Miller's level.


I did get a kick out of this:

i1282.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-02 12:08:50 AM

T.rex: Frank Miller is among the best in the game who've ever lived, so its always fun and intriguing to watch people try and tear him down.


Hebalo: Lol. Love it. Farkers hacking on Miller's Batman? Of all human beings on the planet, Miller understands Batman better than anyone. Arguments to the contrary are risable at best. Even All Star Batman and Robin was more original, more groundbreaking than anything since. Scott Snyder writes a good story, but he's nowhere near Miller's level.


Drag yourself through Dark Knight Returns 2, or Spawn vs. Batman.  They're unreadable.  And Spawn vs. Batman is unintentionally hilarious.

He sucks.  He wrote some good things in the 80's but now he blows.  If you would like to debate this topic, I will refer you again to the stories mentioned above to show that there is no room for debate here.

Sorry.
 
2013-08-02 12:19:11 AM

Cargo: He sucks. He wrote some good things in the 80's but now he blows. If you would like to debate this topic, I will refer you again to the stories mentioned above to show that there is no room for debate here.

Sorry.


Why are you sorry? If your whole argument consists of HA! I DIDN'T LIKE TWO THINGS HE WROTE, SO HE BLOWS!!!!!11111!!!!!, I'm ignoring it anyway.

Seems like in your world,  If you ever do anything less than perfect, you suck. If you do everything perfect, some asshole will still claim you suck.

"He wrote some good things in the 80's". Ha! That's like saying "Scorcese directed some movie in the 70's".
 
2013-08-02 12:19:47 AM

hipstermonk: HeartBurnKid: [bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com image 850x488]

This is who he's going to, to learn how to write Batman.

I don't see this ending well.

/the more time goes on, the more obvious it is that DKR and Year One are the only good stories Miller had in him.
//OK, maybe some Sin City stories too

Don't forget Ronin and the great work he did with Daredevil and wolverine but his first foray into films really sucked. I mean who gives Robocop wings?


Wings?

comicattack.net

And it's actually pretty awesome. Especially as far as crossovers go. But I can't think of much he's done since that I've enjoyed.
 
2013-08-02 12:21:27 AM
FTFC:

Frank Miller is to Batman as Rob Liefeld is to drawing feet.
 
2013-08-02 12:23:32 AM
Jesus, can we farkin' stop with Batman? We had the best superhero series of all time with Nolan's films. They spanned seven years and the last came out last year. MOVE ON TO SOMETHING GODDAMN ELSE.

I say this as an ardent fan of that character. You're going into overexposure.
 
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