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2013-08-01 04:15:52 PM  
Remember: Jesus loves you very, very much. That's why he wants you to be ashamed of who you are.

/will they fired divorced teachers?
 
2013-08-01 04:18:03 PM  
"Who am I to judge?"
 
2013-08-01 04:22:16 PM  
The Diocese of San Bernardino said its Catholic schools prohibit discrimination against teachers or other school employees based on their lifestyle choices.

"However, if a teacher or school employee makes a public display of behavior that is counter to church teaching - such as homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, having a child outside of marriage - that can impact their employment status,"


Those two stances seem diametrically opposed, frankly.
 
2013-08-01 04:31:49 PM  

exick: The Diocese of San Bernardino said its Catholic schools prohibit discrimination against teachers or other school employees based on their lifestyle choices.

"However, if a teacher or school employee makes a public display of behavior that is counter to church teaching - such as homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, having a child outside of marriage - that can impact their employment status,"

Those two stances seem diametrically opposed, frankly.


Discretion is the better part of keeping your job working for a church
 
2013-08-01 04:37:34 PM  

ArkAngel: exick: The Diocese of San Bernardino said its Catholic schools prohibit discrimination against teachers or other school employees based on their lifestyle choices.

"However, if a teacher or school employee makes a public display of behavior that is counter to church teaching - such as homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, having a child outside of marriage - that can impact their employment status,"

Those two stances seem diametrically opposed, frankly.

Discretion is the better part of keeping your job working for a church


It's not like invited his students to the nuptials. Nor were they AWing, as there were news crews at the courthouse when they showed up to get hitched. God forbid (pun intended) he should be allowed to exercise his legal rights.
 
2013-08-01 04:48:30 PM  

ArkAngel: Discretion is the better part of keeping your job working for a church


I'm pretty sure one of those 10 commando thingies says something about lying. But then again, who cares about a silly thing like that when there are queers out there being queer and eating crackers like they own the place.
 
2013-08-01 04:58:46 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Remember: Jesus loves you very, very much.


And he loves all the little children in the world.

/me thinks those priests may have misinterpreted his meaning on that one
 
2013-08-01 05:03:29 PM  

exick: ArkAngel: Discretion is the better part of keeping your job working for a church

I'm pretty sure one of those 10 commando thingies says something about lying. But then again, who cares about a silly thing like that when there are queers out there being queer and eating crackers like they own the place.


I don't care if they're gay or not. While I feel the behavior is sinful, I am sinful as well and it is not my place to judge.

But if you're working for a flagrantly anti-gay marriage place like the Catholic Church, getting gay married is kind of a career killer.
 
2013-08-01 05:13:46 PM  

ArkAngel: But if you're working for a flagrantly anti-gay marriage place like the Catholic Church, getting gay married is kind of a career killer.


I agree and I would think this guy should have seen it coming. As an aside, though, I find it odd that the Diocese would tacitly support the idea that dishonesty is better than honesty while still staking a claim in the moral high ground.
 
2013-08-01 05:25:14 PM  
While the Pope may not be able to judge, as long as they seek the Lord, the school district can.  Makes sense to someone.
 
2013-08-01 05:31:21 PM  

exick: ArkAngel: But if you're working for a flagrantly anti-gay marriage place like the Catholic Church, getting gay married is kind of a career killer.

I agree and I would think this guy should have seen it coming. As an aside, though, I find it odd that the Diocese would tacitly support the idea that dishonesty is better than honesty while still staking a claim in the moral high ground.


Then you'll be blown away by their stance on child rape.
 
2013-08-01 05:37:20 PM  
Sounds like this thread will be a repeat of the lesbian fired from her Catholic teaching job after the paper published her mom's obituary with her partner's name in it. I think she was there 17 years too.
 
2013-08-01 08:34:56 PM  
Meh, you work for a private catholic high school, you know the rules.  Either you can abide, or you cannot, no one is forcing you to stay there.
 
2013-08-01 08:57:32 PM  
Lemme ask an honest question here... Catholic gay people, why do you stay with the Church?  They clearly don't accept you for who you are.  Why put up with that shiat?  There are other Christian branches that don't expect you to remain celibate.

I just don't understand, on a very fundamental level.
 
2013-08-01 08:59:04 PM  
So he knew the rules and decided to be an attention whore/martyr.
 
2013-08-01 09:02:32 PM  
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"You did WHAT in my name?"
 
2013-08-01 09:13:46 PM  
Boo hoo.

Catholics don't like gays. If you're gay... teaching at a Catholic school seems like not a very good idea.
 
2013-08-01 09:24:11 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Catholics don't like gays. If you're gay... teaching at a Catholic school seems like not a very good idea.


There were three gay teachers at my Catholic high school. No one cared they were gay. Hell one had a partner that everyone knew about who and when I was there he'd been with for 10 years plus.
 
2013-08-01 09:24:39 PM  

Mugato: So he knew the rules and decided to be an attention whore/martyr.


or maybe they just got tired of living a lie.
 
2013-08-01 09:35:25 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Pray 4 Mojo: Catholics don't like gays. If you're gay... teaching at a Catholic school seems like not a very good idea.

There were three gay teachers at my Catholic high school. No one cared they were gay. Hell one had a partner that everyone knew about who and when I was there he'd been with for 10 years plus.


Okay...

Teaching at a Catholic school that has a rule against being gay seems like not a very good idea.

Better?
 
2013-08-01 09:46:35 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: WhyteRaven74: Pray 4 Mojo: Catholics don't like gays. If you're gay... teaching at a Catholic school seems like not a very good idea.

There were three gay teachers at my Catholic high school. No one cared they were gay. Hell one had a partner that everyone knew about who and when I was there he'd been with for 10 years plus.

Okay...

Teaching at a Catholic school that has a rule against being gay seems like not a very good idea.

Better?


There is no rule against being gay. There are rules that say teachers cannot do things that openly violate church teachings and still teach. Some teachers lose their jobs of they have kids out of wedlock. The Church itself says homosexuals are to be treated with dignity and respect, but the church does not recognize gay marriage. Furthermore, since they can't marry, and sex outside of marriage is against Church teachings, they cannot consummate their relationships physically. It's pretty much a "love the sinner, hate the sin." And I'm not saying I am in lockstep with his view, but this guy knew that when he got hired and teaching at a Catholic school for 17 years damned well knew it. It sucks, but them's the breaks. If you work for PeTA and bring a Whopper to work for lunch, you shouldn't be shocked if they can you.
 
2013-08-01 09:52:16 PM  

Nabb1: Pray 4 Mojo: WhyteRaven74: Pray 4 Mojo: Catholics don't like gays. If you're gay... teaching at a Catholic school seems like not a very good idea.

There were three gay teachers at my Catholic high school. No one cared they were gay. Hell one had a partner that everyone knew about who and when I was there he'd been with for 10 years plus.

Okay...

Teaching at a Catholic school that has a rule against being gay seems like not a very good idea.

Better?

There is no rule against being gay. There are rules that say teachers cannot do things that openly violate church teachings and still teach. Some teachers lose their jobs of they have kids out of wedlock. The Church itself says homosexuals are to be treated with dignity and respect, but the church does not recognize gay marriage. Furthermore, since they can't marry, and sex outside of marriage is against Church teachings, they cannot consummate their relationships physically. It's pretty much a "love the sinner, hate the sin." And I'm not saying I am in lockstep with his view, but this guy knew that when he got hired and teaching at a Catholic school for 17 years damned well knew it. It sucks, but them's the breaks. If you work for PeTA and bring a Whopper to work for lunch, you shouldn't be shocked if they can you.


Thank you for putting way more energy into your response than I felt was needed.

/This... pretty much.
 
2013-08-01 09:57:43 PM  
I think i'm glad that my religion doesn't require me care about the particulars of who gets married to whom, or what they're doing during private sexy time while off the clock.
 
2013-08-01 11:00:53 PM  

Weaver95: I think i'm glad that my religion doesn't require me care about the particulars of who gets married to whom, or what they're doing during private sexy time while off the clock.


No one cares what you Tremere think anyway.
 
2013-08-01 11:02:20 PM  

Weaver95: I think i'm glad that my religion doesn't require me care about the particulars of who gets married to whom, or what they're doing during private sexy time while off the clock.


Great. You want a cookie or something?
 
2013-08-01 11:21:19 PM  

Makh: Weaver95: I think i'm glad that my religion doesn't require me care about the particulars of who gets married to whom, or what they're doing during private sexy time while off the clock.

No one cares what you Tremere think anyway.


Says the guy who has this in his profile
img.fark.net
 
2013-08-01 11:46:55 PM  

RodneyToady: Lemme ask an honest question here... Catholic gay people, why do you stay with the Church?


Keep in mind that you don't necessarily need to be a Catholic yourself to work at a Catholic school.

Not really sure why that works with the whole "behavior that is counter to church teaching" thing.  Sure, it's ok to violate the first farking commandment by worshiping other gods, but being openly gay?  Nopers.
 
2013-08-01 11:50:22 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Pray 4 Mojo: Catholics don't like gays. If you're gay... teaching at a Catholic school seems like not a very good idea.

There were three gay teachers at my Catholic high school. No one cared they were gay. Hell one had a partner that everyone knew about who and when I was there he'd been with for 10 years plus.


Catholic school should probably still be plan B in that case though.  School might change its opinion as soon as one well-connected asshat donates a library.
 
2013-08-01 11:52:30 PM  
Didn't NPR fire Juan Williams because he was not liberal enough? How is this any different? If you work in a way counter productive to your employer, screw you.
 
2013-08-01 11:54:01 PM  
I thought Jesus was just against homosexual acts, not homosexuals. So as long as these dudes don't ever have sex, everything should be papal-kosher.
 
2013-08-01 11:54:09 PM  

Makh: Weaver95: I think i'm glad that my religion doesn't require me care about the particulars of who gets married to whom, or what they're doing during private sexy time while off the clock.

No one cares what you Tremere think anyway.


He's one of the Aspects from Werewolf, not from Clan Tremere..... Wild Weaver and Wyrm, remember?
 
2013-08-01 11:54:17 PM  
Think

Stopped reading right there.
 
2013-08-01 11:55:38 PM  

exick: ArkAngel: But if you're working for a flagrantly anti-gay marriage place like the Catholic Church, getting gay married is kind of a career killer.

I agree and I would think this guy should have seen it coming. As an aside, though, I find it odd that the Diocese would tacitly support the idea that dishonesty is better than honesty while still staking a claim in the moral high ground.


Where have you been for the last 2,000 years?
 
2013-08-01 11:55:46 PM  
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2013-08-01 11:58:02 PM  

ArkAngel: exick: ArkAngel: Discretion is the better part of keeping your job working for a church

I'm pretty sure one of those 10 commando thingies says something about lying. But then again, who cares about a silly thing like that when there are queers out there being queer and eating crackers like they own the place.

I don't care if they're gay or not. While I feel the behavior is sinful, I am sinful as well and it is not my place to judge.

But if you're working for a flagrantly anti-gay marriage place like the Catholic Church, getting gay married is kind of a career killer.


But butt-farking kids is A-OK!
 
2013-08-01 11:58:36 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: /will they fired divorced teachers?


I know of an evangelical school who fired a teacher who had an affair, not with a student just with another consenting adult of the opposite sex.  Where I work, that would fall under nobody's farking business.
 
2013-08-02 12:00:09 AM  
I read "Catholic school" "17" and "getting married" and got all excited, and then all I got was two guys who want to fark each other. :(
 
2013-08-02 12:00:49 AM  
Glad to see this was the Catholic High School I went to. I'd saves me the trouble of organizing all my old friends to protest the school for massively embarrassing us.
 
2013-08-02 12:00:49 AM  

lohphat: ArkAngel: exick: ArkAngel: Discretion is the better part of keeping your job working for a church

I'm pretty sure one of those 10 commando thingies says something about lying. But then again, who cares about a silly thing like that when there are queers out there being queer and eating crackers like they own the place.

I don't care if they're gay or not. While I feel the behavior is sinful, I am sinful as well and it is not my place to judge.

But if you're working for a flagrantly anti-gay marriage place like the Catholic Church, getting gay married is kind of a career killer.

But butt-farking kids is A-OK!


Prist's junk: Jesus
Kid's starfish: the world
Buttsecks: second coming

#sodeep
 
2013-08-02 12:01:23 AM  
What's REALLY asinine is thinking you can be openly gay and keep your job as a catholic school teacher... I mean, c'mon. Why take the job in the first place if you know you're gay?
 
2013-08-02 12:01:50 AM  
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: So as long as these dudes don't ever have sex, everything should be papal-kosher.

Provided they're not greedy, wrathful, slothful, prideful, lustful, envious, and gluttonous homos, I guess there's no sin.
 
2013-08-02 12:01:52 AM  

Neeek: Glad to see this was the Catholic High School I went to. I'd saves me the trouble of organizing all my old friends to protest the school for massively embarrassing us.


Err...wasn't the school I went to...
 
2013-08-02 12:04:32 AM  

Neeek: Glad to see this was the Catholic High School I went to. I'd saves me the trouble of organizing all my old friends to protest the school for massively embarrassing us.


I guess by the time you attended the nuns had stopped beating students for poor grammar.
 
2013-08-02 12:05:59 AM  
Just so long as no one there's wearing mixed fibres.
 
2013-08-02 12:08:20 AM  

exick: The Diocese of San Bernardino said its Catholic schools prohibit discrimination against teachers or other school employees based on their lifestyle choices.

"However, if a teacher or school employee makes a public display of behavior that is counter to church teaching - such as homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, having a child outside of marriage - that can impact their employment status,"

Those two stances seem diametrically opposed, frankly.


So they fired him for CEASING to have sex outside of marriage?
 
2013-08-02 12:08:33 AM  
St Lucy's?  I would have had my money on the nearby Damien High being the one that kicked out the gays.
 
2013-08-02 12:09:28 AM  

exick: ArkAngel: Discretion is the better part of keeping your job working for a church

I'm pretty sure one of those 10 commando thingies says something about lying. But then again, who cares about a silly thing like that when there are queers out there being queer and eating crackers like they own the place.


Mmmmmm.... yummy queer crackers.  Delicious!  *munch*
 
2013-08-02 12:10:28 AM  
Nothing asinine about it. This isn't some public school. It's part of a church. It should be pretty obvious to anyone of working age, that working for a church might entail taking on some of the behavior patterns endorsed by said church. I highly doubt that one would be employed for very long at a Muslim or Buddhist mosque/temple/school if one was eating a ham sandwich for lunch everyday, worked as a bartender or at a slaughterhouse as a side job. Eating pork, killing animals, drinking alcohol, etc are violations of either Islam, Buddhism, or both and if one make a job  teaching the children of adherents to said religions, it's pretty reasonable for the religious officials to at least act like you believe the stuff you're teaching.

And yes, same for engaging in homosexual acts. The Catholic/most Christian churches consider the acts sinful. Same as stealing, lying, etc. They believe that everyone has sinful inclinations, but to deliberately, un-apologetically and openly continue sinful acts is contrary to Church teachings. For one to do so should (and this goes for pedo priests who should be in prison) reasonably bar such a person from employment and/or teaching until something has been done to deal with the sin. As an example, an (married) assistant pastor at my church a few years ago admitted to the whole church that he had a problem with going to strip clubs and voluntarily stepped down as assistant pastor for about a year. He rightly felt that he could not lead until his problem was admitted, dealt with, and he moved on.

If an employee of a church deliberately engages in acts that are contrary to the churches teaching, they should expect their employer to have an issue with that.

Separation of church and state goes both ways.
 
2013-08-02 12:10:43 AM  
Article is from "Think Progress" ... which is code for "I Hate Everything That's Not Like Me"
 
2013-08-02 12:12:21 AM  

Mugato: So he knew the rules and decided to be an attention whore/martyr.


This.

I see this story as similar to yesterday's story of a food truck driver who was fired for tip-shaming a customer.  It wasn't what he did, it was how he went and made a public thing out of it.  It obviously wasn't a problem for many years when he was quietly gay and he probably wouldn't have been if he'd stayed out of the paper.  But once the "gay catholic school teacher marries" headline hit the paper there was no way he could expect to stay.
 
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