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2013-08-01 04:25:47 PM
If we're going to treat corporations like people, then we need to remove any liability protections they have.

Why should those people have immunity from their actions when I as a living breathing person, does not?
 
2013-08-01 04:33:12 PM
The 3rd Circuit decision creates a significant split between the appeals courts, because a few short weeks earlier, the Colorado-based 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, finding by a 5-3 margin that corporations  can be persons entitled to assert religious rights. Hobby Lobby is a chain of crafts supply stores located in 41 states. The 10th Circuit upheld an injunction blocking the contraception requirement because it offended the company owners' religious beliefs. The majority in the 3rd Circuit wrote that it "respectfully disagrees" with the 10th Circuit. A split of this nature makes.

SCOTUS hearing this is pretty much necessary for a Circuit split of this magnitude
 
2013-08-01 04:35:44 PM

Aarontology: If we're going to treat corporations like people, then we need to remove any liability protections they have.

Why should those people have immunity from their actions when I as a living breathing person, does not?


Because as part of the 1%, they can get the best get out of jail free card money can buy.
 
2013-08-01 04:38:02 PM

themindiswatching: Aarontology: If we're going to treat corporations like people, then we need to remove any liability protections they have.

Why should those people have immunity from their actions when I as a living breathing person, does not?

Because as part of the 1%, they can get the best get out of jail free card money can buy.


Or, because they own the farking jail.
 
2013-08-01 04:39:19 PM

themindiswatching: Because as part of the 1%, they can get the best get out of jail free card money can buy.


I don't even just mean the huge ones. Any corporation that is treated like a person and given all the rights of a person, while still have the legal protections of being a thing creates a situation in which actual living breathing citizens are treated as inferior to, while being held to a higher standard of behavior than a thing.
 
2013-08-01 04:48:22 PM
WWRJD?
 
2013-08-01 04:48:41 PM

Aarontology: themindiswatching: Because as part of the 1%, they can get the best get out of jail free card money can buy.

I don't even just mean the huge ones. Any corporation that is treated like a person and given all the rights of a person, while still have the legal protections of being a thing creates a situation in which actual living breathing citizens are treated as inferior to, while being held to a higher standard of behavior than a thing.


No, it isn't. It can't marry, adopt or vote. Corporate "personhood" is the same concept that lets you sue a corporation to enforce contractual rights or other claims. If you sign a $1 million endorsement deal with Coca-Cola and they try to back out, do you want to sue Coca-Cola, or just the middle manager who gave you the contract? If a Budwieser beer truck runs you over, do you want to sue the company or be limited to suing the driver?
 
2013-08-01 04:49:24 PM
Stupidmitter, they don't have souls, just like gingers....
 
2013-08-01 04:54:48 PM

Aarontology: themindiswatching: Because as part of the 1%, they can get the best get out of jail free card money can buy.

I don't even just mean the huge ones. Any corporation that is treated like a person and given all the rights of a person, while still have the legal protections of being a thing creates a situation in which actual living breathing citizens are treated as inferior to, while being held to a higher standard of behavior than a thing.


Sadly, this is what we've been building to for awhile. It's been a nice slow burn.
 
2013-08-01 04:54:57 PM
Anyway, emotions aside, this is a fascinating legal issue.
 
2013-08-01 04:55:27 PM
they are people.
 
2013-08-01 04:58:19 PM
"Corporations are people" is as wonderful an idea as "privately-run for-profit prisons".
 
2013-08-01 05:06:34 PM
Just hope you don't work for a Jehovah's Witness and need a blood transfusion.
 
2013-08-01 05:06:51 PM

Nabb1: Anyway, emotions aside, this is a fascinating legal issue.


That Hobby Lobby can treat its employees like those of a church? Not really.
 
2013-08-01 05:27:57 PM

clancifer: Nabb1: Anyway, emotions aside, this is a fascinating legal issue.

That Hobby Lobby can treat its employees like those of a church? Not really.


No actually it is, suppose the case involved a corporation who at the current time refused to offer healthcare to smokers, under the new law they would be required to extend coverage to smokers.  Basically it is an argument over a companies right to withhold benefits to encourage an employee's behavior outside of work.
 
2013-08-01 05:34:22 PM
This is getting way out of hand.

Can we kill this idea already? Corporations are not people, nor are they your friend.
 
2013-08-01 05:34:32 PM
Hmm, can I start an Amish corporation?

Because I really hate having to pay Social Security, unemployment, and general property insurance, and my Amish corporation is morally opposed to insurance programs.
 
2013-08-01 05:36:25 PM
no, corporations shouldn't be able to force their religious beliefs on their workers.  now, if they want to tank their health care plans and just f*ck over people on their health care coverage...that's cool.  I mean...health care isn't something companies want to provide their rank and file anyway.
 
2013-08-01 05:49:29 PM
Of course corporations aren't people.
They're BETTER than people.
 
2013-08-01 05:50:10 PM
What if it's against the owner's religion to serve coloreds?
 
2013-08-01 05:54:57 PM
Watch this blow its wad right in your unwilling little faces, churchies.
 
2013-08-01 05:58:35 PM

Nabb1: It can't marry, adopt or vote.


It can however merger, acquisition, and fund (buy) political campaigns.

Or were you just being silly on purpose?  Sorry, if it was a joke.
 
2013-08-01 06:02:23 PM

doyner: What if it's against the owner's religion to serve coloreds?


That's the Southeast's fastest growing religion.
 
2013-08-01 06:07:29 PM
Why do i have the feeling this is going to go the way of 5-4 with the usual suspects and a piss poor reason for voting for keeping it like with the VRA had.
 
2013-08-01 06:07:38 PM

Aarontology: If we're going to treat corporations like people, then we need to remove any liability protections they have.

Why should those people have immunity from their actions when I as a living breathing person, does not?


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2013-08-01 06:08:10 PM
This is awesome!

If this kind of thing doesn't represent that America I know and love, I don't know what does.

Land of the Believer, Home of the Dollar!
 
2013-08-01 06:08:17 PM

Nabb1: Aarontology: themindiswatching: Because as part of the 1%, they can get the best get out of jail free card money can buy.

I don't even just mean the huge ones. Any corporation that is treated like a person and given all the rights of a person, while still have the legal protections of being a thing creates a situation in which actual living breathing citizens are treated as inferior to, while being held to a higher standard of behavior than a thing.

No, it isn't. It can't marry, adopt or vote. Corporate "personhood" is the same concept that lets you sue a corporation to enforce contractual rights or other claims. If you sign a $1 million endorsement deal with Coca-Cola and they try to back out, do you want to sue Coca-Cola, or just the middle manager who gave you the contract? If a Budwieser beer truck runs you over, do you want to sue the company or be limited to suing the driver?


Why not both.  And allow suing of the owners too.  Why should the owners of a company be protected from the consequences of the actions of said company?
 
2013-08-01 06:08:42 PM
They are people, my friend. Sociopathic, horrible people with no scruples or morals whatsoever.
 
2013-08-01 06:09:27 PM

edmo: Aarontology: If we're going to treat corporations like people, then we need to remove any liability protections they have.

Why should those people have immunity from their actions when I as a living breathing person, does not?

[img1.etsystatic.com image 800x800]


They have.
 
2013-08-01 06:09:36 PM
Corporation is a good guy, he always tips well & never says much. 

so corporate overlords (the real people) which shall it be? are you the person or is corporation the person? and why should you be able to tell corporate person what his/her political and religious beliefs are?
 
2013-08-01 06:12:03 PM

Evil High Priest: They are people, my friend. Sociopathic, horrible people with no scruples or morals whatsoever.


No it's much worse than that, increasing profits is a moral act for them.
 
2013-08-01 06:12:12 PM
As an employee, publicly murder the CEO and claim the company is now your as per the rights of your Sith religion
 
2013-08-01 06:12:17 PM

Evil High Priest: They are people, my friend. Sociopathic, horrible people with no scruples or morals whatsoever.


...and religious!
 
2013-08-01 06:12:55 PM

ShadowKamui: As an employee, publicly murder the CEO and claim the company is now your as per the rights of your Sith religion


It's the necromonger way, as well.
 
2013-08-01 06:15:18 PM

Etchy333: Hmm, can I start an Amish corporation?

Because I really hate having to pay Social Security, unemployment, and general property insurance, and my Amish corporation is morally opposed to insurance programs.


Actually, federal statutory law and case law does exempt the Amish from paying these sorts of things. However, because they are exempt, they are also ineligible to use them as well.
 
2013-08-01 06:16:06 PM

Testiclaw: ShadowKamui: As an employee, publicly murder the CEO and claim the company is now your as per the rights of your Sith religion

It's the necromonger way, as well.


you keep what you kill.
 
2013-08-01 06:17:25 PM

Warlordtrooper: Nabb1: Aarontology: themindiswatching: Because as part of the 1%, they can get the best get out of jail free card money can buy.

I don't even just mean the huge ones. Any corporation that is treated like a person and given all the rights of a person, while still have the legal protections of being a thing creates a situation in which actual living breathing citizens are treated as inferior to, while being held to a higher standard of behavior than a thing.

No, it isn't. It can't marry, adopt or vote. Corporate "personhood" is the same concept that lets you sue a corporation to enforce contractual rights or other claims. If you sign a $1 million endorsement deal with Coca-Cola and they try to back out, do you want to sue Coca-Cola, or just the middle manager who gave you the contract? If a Budwieser beer truck runs you over, do you want to sue the company or be limited to suing the driver?

Why not both.  And allow suing of the owners too.  Why should the owners of a company be protected from the consequences of the actions of said company?


You can sue the owners under certain circumstances. Things like actions they committed directly or actions they should have been aware of given their status as owners. They can also be prosecuted in this manner. But to sue the owners directly for something like a random HL employee hitting a customer is stupid. You sue the corp.
 
2013-08-01 06:20:04 PM

Testiclaw: ShadowKamui: As an employee, publicly murder the CEO and claim the company is now your as per the rights of your Sith religion

It's the necromonger way, as well.


Yeah but Jedi is officially recognized religion in multiple countries so might get more legal force w/ Sith
 
2013-08-01 06:20:21 PM
Yes, corporations should have exemptions. If one corporation believes that giving benefits to same-sex couples with Obamarriage being legalized is immoral and violates their religious beliefs, then they should be granted that exemption. Same thing with Obamacare.

Hobby Lobby might go out of business if they lose this case.
 
2013-08-01 06:21:25 PM

ShadowKamui: Testiclaw: ShadowKamui: As an employee, publicly murder the CEO and claim the company is now your as per the rights of your Sith religion

It's the necromonger way, as well.

Yeah but Jedi is officially recognized religion in multiple countries so might get more legal force w/ Sith


now that is a very interesting argument.
 
2013-08-01 06:22:20 PM

cretinbob: Stupidmitter, they don't have souls, just like gingers....


Gingers are more fun in the sack.
 
2013-08-01 06:22:46 PM

Nabb1: Anyway, emotions aside, this is a fascinating legal issue.


No it's sad we have gotten to hear from stupid rulings that is causing these issues because the conservative majority doesn't think through their rulings.

You thinking it's "fascinating" shows you are of a similar limited mind set. The rest of us who have brains saw this becoming a problem with the earlier rulings. Just like we see if they side with corporations having a religion, it will open up even more issues.
 
2013-08-01 06:22:56 PM

ShadowKamui: Testiclaw: ShadowKamui: As an employee, publicly murder the CEO and claim the company is now your as per the rights of your Sith religion

It's the necromonger way, as well.

Yeah but Jedi is officially recognized religion in multiple countries so might get more legal force w/ Sith


"Your honor: suck my force!"
 
2013-08-01 06:23:50 PM

GoldSpider: cretinbob: Stupidmitter, they don't have souls, just like gingers....

Gingers are more fun in the sack.


I would desperately like to test this hypothesis at some point in my lifetime.

/love gingers
 
2013-08-01 06:23:59 PM

Warlordtrooper: And allow suing of the owners too. Why should the owners of a company be protected from the consequences of the actions of said company?


It gets a bit more complicated when the company's "owners" are hundreds of thousands of mutual fund investors.
 
2013-08-01 06:24:05 PM

Aarontology: If we're going to treat corporations like people, then we need to remove any liability protections they have.

Why should those people have immunity from their actions when I as a living breathing person, does not?


You absolutely have the right not to associate with folks of a certain religion. You also have the right not to hire folks of a certain religion (or folks how are just religious). The corporations here aren't being given any special immunity.
 
2013-08-01 06:24:24 PM

Nabb1: Corporate "personhood" is the same concept that lets you sue a corporation to enforce contractual rights or other claims. If you sign a $1 million endorsement deal with Coca-Cola and they try to back out, do you want to sue Coca-Cola, or just the middle manager who gave you the contract? If a Budwieser beer truck runs you over, do you want to sue the company or be limited to suing the driver?


And what you mentioned says NOTHING about corporations have a right to free political speech.
 
2013-08-01 06:25:27 PM

Testiclaw: I would desperately like to test this hypothesis at some point in my lifetime.

/love gingers


Not to threadjack, but it's as good as you've heard.

/little runner chick, chain smoker, fun!
 
2013-08-01 06:25:55 PM

GoldSpider: Warlordtrooper: And allow suing of the owners too. Why should the owners of a company be protected from the consequences of the actions of said company?

It gets a bit more complicated when the company's "owners" are hundreds of thousands of mutual fund investors.


No, it doesn't.

Hold them all liable. List of defendants gets longer, that's all.
 
2013-08-01 06:26:32 PM

GoldSpider: Testiclaw: I would desperately like to test this hypothesis at some point in my lifetime.

/love gingers

Not to threadjack, but it's as good as you've heard.

/little runner chick, chain smoker, fun!


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