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(The Detroit_News)   Taking photos of an illegal campaign sign? That's an assault and handcuffing followed by a bogus trespass charge   (detroitnews.com) divider line 100
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2013-08-01 05:07:42 PM
Detroit. Stopped reading.
 
2013-08-01 05:08:19 PM
Scotty Boman

The greatest Red Wings coach of ALL TIME?!?!?
 
2013-08-01 05:09:05 PM
Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.
 
2013-08-01 05:09:50 PM
There's no such thing as an illegal campaign sign
 
2013-08-01 05:10:09 PM
Appalling.  He could sue the district for...oh, Detroit, never mind.  Maybe if they pooled their resources they could afford a heartfelt apology.
 
2013-08-01 05:10:56 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There's no such thing as an illegal campaign sign


At a polling place, there is.
 
2013-08-01 05:11:05 PM
It's still Detroit.
 
2013-08-01 05:12:43 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.


Far less of a chance than of you being an ignorant douchebag who's entire knowledge of libertarianism was obtained from the Daily Kos.
 
2013-08-01 05:14:23 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.


It's really only ok to judge republicans on the basis of their beliefs alone.

//not really being that sarcastic here.
 
2013-08-01 05:14:41 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: Appalling.  He could sue the district for...oh, Detroit, never mind.  Maybe if they pooled their resources they could afford a heartfelt apology.


Yeah, that was my though. I sympathize with the man, but there's no chance of him get restitution, let alone justice.
 
2013-08-01 05:15:28 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.


Yep. I'd bet my autographed first edition of "The Fountainhead" that this douche was doing something more than just taking pictures and "asking questions." 10:1 says the guy was being a loudmouth, obstinate douchebag, exerting "constitutional rights" that don't actually exist.
 
2013-08-01 05:16:23 PM
Oh goody, CAMPUS cops.  Yeah, expecting them to know the law is a bit much.
 
2013-08-01 05:20:23 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.


Libertarian is synonymous with douchebag.
 
2013-08-01 05:24:13 PM

gadian: Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.

Libertarian is synonymous with douchebag.


Yeah, campus cops on a power trip vs. Libertarian douchebag.  Hard to know who to root for in this one.
 
2013-08-01 05:24:18 PM

OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.

Far less of a chance than of you being an ignorant douchebag who's entire knowledge of libertarianism was obtained from the Daily Kos.


So you're a Libertarian too, that explains so much.
 
2013-08-01 05:25:47 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2013-08-01 05:25:48 PM

OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.

Far less of a chance than of you being an ignorant douchebag who's entire knowledge of libertarianism was obtained from the Daily Kos.


Don't argue with the idiots, they will drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
 
2013-08-01 05:26:30 PM

OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.

Far less of a chance than of you being an ignorant douchebag who's entire knowledge of libertarianism was obtained from the Daily Kos.


Or worse, from the Fark comment section
 
2013-08-01 05:28:00 PM

Uzzah: Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.

Yep. I'd bet my autographed first edition of "The Fountainhead" that this douche was doing something more than just taking pictures and "asking questions." 10:1 says the guy was being a loudmouth, obstinate douchebag, exerting "constitutional rights" that don't actually exist.


I don't know. He doesn't sound like one of those "Area Man" types. He knows its illegal to hang campaign banners in a polling place, and it sounds like he knows his rights, which includes the right to be a douchebag.

What's more, even if he was breaking some law, I don't think community college rent-a-cops have the right to arrest and detain him.
 
2013-08-01 05:28:57 PM
Assulted, restrained, kidnapped ... yep those rights gotta go.
 
2013-08-01 05:29:26 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.


Odds are 3/4 he was being a douchebag, but 5/6 he was still *right* about both the signage and the legality of his actions.

The thought occurs that Detroit being taken, completely, by the Libertarian Party would be a good thing.  Either they would succeed and Detroit would suck less or they would solidly prove, on a much smaller budget than New Hampshire, that their political movement is crap.
 
2013-08-01 05:31:02 PM
gadian: Libertarian is synonymous with douchebag.

Phoenix87ta: Yeah, campus cops on a power trip vs. Libertarian douchebag.  Hard to know who to root for in this one.

It's so much fun getting hate from pussy liberals AND idiot conservatives for being intellectually and morally superior. It's like being caught between two feuding parents.
 
2013-08-01 05:35:19 PM
there is a limit as to how close a sign can be to a polling place by law
 
2013-08-01 05:35:26 PM

Phoenix87ta: gadian: Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.

Libertarian is synonymous with douchebag.

Yeah, campus cops on a power trip vs. Libertarian douchebag.  Hard to know who to root for in this one.


Who to root for? I don't know, maybe the guy who is legally correct, and took pictures of a sign. Also you sound like a campus cop wannabe (If you ever shoot someone carrying skittles I hope they don't find this thread).
 
2013-08-01 05:36:03 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There's no such thing as an illegal campaign sign

At a polling place, there is.


Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.
 
2013-08-01 05:37:22 PM
Interesting.

Since lawsuits would be an unsecured creditors status, and criminal charges don't happen against cops, it really does free up the local LEOs to bust heads at will. Given the fact they are unlikely to get pensions they are likely to be testy too.
 
2013-08-01 05:37:28 PM

FedExPope: gadian: Libertarian is synonymous with douchebag.

Phoenix87ta: Yeah, campus cops on a power trip vs. Libertarian douchebag.  Hard to know who to root for in this one.

It's so much fun getting hate from pussy liberals AND idiot conservatives for being intellectually and morally superior. It's like being caught between two feuding parents.


which, in this simile, makes you the retarded child who keeps getting in trouble.
 
2013-08-01 05:37:56 PM
Funny how schools think they're not public property.

/explains a lot actuallly
 
2013-08-01 05:45:00 PM

starrion: Interesting.

Since lawsuits would be an unsecured creditors status, and criminal charges don't happen against cops, it really does free up the local LEOs to bust heads at will. Given the fact they are unlikely to get pensions they are likely to be testy too.


That's an uncomfortably good point.
 
2013-08-01 05:47:28 PM
I see these articles saying "He/she was stopped while trying to take a picture" and I ask myself, how long does it take these Neanderthals to take a picture? Or are they standing and yelling "I'm gonna count to 10 then take this picture and nobody better stop me" first?
Take your picture, then raise a ruckus.
 
2013-08-01 05:52:13 PM

Warlordtrooper: JohnAnnArbor: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There's no such thing as an illegal campaign sign

At a polling place, there is.

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.


How's that G.E.D. in Constitutional Law working out for you?

Many states prohibit displaying campaign materials at polling places.
 
2013-08-01 05:52:51 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There's no such thing as an illegal campaign sign


It's illegal to have any sort of campaign material within X distance of a polling place during voting.
 
2013-08-01 05:57:54 PM

starrion: Interesting.

Since lawsuits would be an unsecured creditors status, and criminal charges don't happen against cops, it really does free up the local LEOs to bust heads at will. Given the fact they are unlikely to get pensions they are likely to be testy too.


That... is actually pretty scary.
 
2013-08-01 05:58:03 PM

gilgigamesh: What's more, even if he was breaking some law, I don't think community college rent-a-cops have the right to arrest and detain him.


Then you think incorrectly.

WCCCD Security Police Authority, a un-armed law enforcement agency now has complete police authority to apprehend and arrest anyone involved in illegal acts on the campus.
 
2013-08-01 06:02:46 PM
Didn't realize Detroit had any public servants left......
 
2013-08-01 06:03:23 PM

Warlordtrooper: JohnAnnArbor: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There's no such thing as an illegal campaign sign

At a polling place, there is.

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.


Outlawing  electionering at a polling place has been deemed to NOT be a violation of your freedom of speech.
 
2013-08-01 06:05:41 PM
His campaign website, complete with autoplaying video.

Here's this nugget: "As City Clerk, I will not place my name and picture prominently on informational materials at the entrances of polling places while forbidding others from handing out campaign materials at entrances of polling places. I will be fair."

So I'll give you odds that the "banner bearing the name of current City Clerk Janice Winfrey hanging over the building entrance, in violation of election laws" was something along the lines of "Official Early Voting Location" sign that mentioned it issued from the "City Clerk's office, Betty Blahblahblah, City Clerk."  There's a big difference between that and a "VOTE BETTY" sign.
 
2013-08-01 06:06:57 PM

edmo: Funny how schools think they're not public property.

/explains a lot actuallly


Also, during an election, a polling place is temporarily considered public property, even when it is on private property.  The last time I voted it was in someone's garage.  The normal property owner's right to deny access was suspended during polling hours (to the garage, I couldn't go inside their home).  Otherwise we could see a situation where the property owner could deny access to known members of "that other party".
 
2013-08-01 06:07:09 PM

FedExPope: It's so much fun getting hate from pussy liberals AND idiot conservatives for being intellectually and morally superior. It's like being caught between two feuding parents.


Way to prove the point.  I have never met a Libertarian who isn't either so fundamentally confused about how the economy really works or so stubbornly self-centered that it was possible to have a conversation with them for more than a couple minutes without feeling like you were talking to a child.

I agree with them on a couple civil liberties issues, but their understanding of money and taxes are aboutequivalent to the ramblings of a barely verbal toddler who is up way past their bedtime.
 
2013-08-01 06:11:56 PM

OgreMagi: Warlordtrooper: JohnAnnArbor: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There's no such thing as an illegal campaign sign

At a polling place, there is.

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.

Outlawing  electionering at a polling place has been deemed to NOT be a violation of your freedom of speech.


And I may be mistaken but I believe it was to prevent voter intimidation and brawls between electioneers shutting down polling  places.
 
2013-08-01 06:12:18 PM

Uzzah: His campaign website, complete with autoplaying video.

Here's this nugget: "As City Clerk, I will not place my name and picture prominently on informational materials at the entrances of polling places while forbidding others from handing out campaign materials at entrances of polling places. I will be fair."

So I'll give you odds that the "banner bearing the name of current City Clerk Janice Winfrey hanging over the building entrance, in violation of election laws" was something along the lines of "Official Early Voting Location" sign that mentioned it issued from the "City Clerk's office, Betty Blahblahblah, City Clerk."  There's a big difference between that and a "VOTE BETTY" sign.


Why would such a sign have the name and PICTURE of the city clerk on it, except as an attempt to sneak in an illegal campaign sign?

It really does sound like this guy was actually right, which is a hell of a thing for me to say about a libertardian
 
2013-08-01 06:17:03 PM
I will get outraged about such things when it happens to someone who is on my political team. The rest of you can fark yourselves. I'm sure this philosophy will cause no problems whatsoever.
 
2013-08-01 06:18:28 PM

pedobearapproved: Phoenix87ta: gadian: Satanic_Hamster: Libertarian party, eh.

Wonder what the odds are he was being a douchebag.

Libertarian is synonymous with douchebag.

Yeah, campus cops on a power trip vs. Libertarian douchebag.  Hard to know who to root for in this one.

Who to root for? I don't know, maybe the guy who is legally correct, and took pictures of a sign. Also you sound like a campus cop wannabe (If you ever shoot someone carrying skittles I hope they don't find this thread).


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2013-08-01 06:18:29 PM

TheBigJerk: OgreMagi: Warlordtrooper: JohnAnnArbor: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There's no such thing as an illegal campaign sign

At a polling place, there is.

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.

Outlawing  electionering at a polling place has been deemed to NOT be a violation of your freedom of speech.

And I may be mistaken but I believe it was to prevent voter intimidation and brawls between electioneers shutting down polling  places.


It doesn't matter the original reason.  Electionering is at a polling place is not legal.  No exceptions.  No signs.  No handing out pamphlets.  And no suggesting to people how they should vote.

The one instance I saw a violation was when an election worker said, "we need to vote him out of office."
 
2013-08-01 06:33:53 PM
HoratioGates:
I agree with them on a couple civil liberties issues, but their understanding of money and taxes are aboutequivalent to the ramblings of a barely verbal toddler who is up way past their bedtime.

Well, obviously - the liberals and conservatives have such a solid grasp on economics, business, finance and money issues, which is precisely why our nation is fiscally solvent...

The Libertarian party goes off into the weeds when taken to the philosophical extreme. The trouble is, so does every other political philosophy. If the Democrats had their way, we would be living in a high-tax, socialist nation with no economic engine as businesses would shift to friendlier climates. If Republicans have their way, this country would be a corporate oligarchy. As it currently stands, we have a hybrid of both those political notions and the country is basically headed for financial ruin.

The core problem we have is that we, as individuals, take up a particular political philosophy and believe that it needs to be applied to all areas of law blindly. Really, what we need to do is begin to recognize that different systems often require intrinsically different base political philosophies for good governance.  Health care is likely better suited to a nearly socialist philosophy that spreads the equal risk of sickness amongst the entire population (with some surcharges and limitations for health choices such as smoking or being overweight). Local retailers are best left to a purely libertarian system of governance where the market is free to Darwinistically evolve. Something like aircraft manufacturing requires a well managed balance between free-market competition and effective (yet flexible) safety regulation combined with some government economic involvement given the massive job footprint of the industry.

Holding a particular political ideology strongly and attempting to spread it around the entirety of a national economy the size of the United States simply is not possible to do without that philosophy getting awfully tortured around the edges.
 
2013-08-01 06:36:50 PM

gilgigamesh: I don't know. He doesn't sound like one of those "Area Man" types. He knows its illegal to hang campaign banners in a polling place, and it sounds like he knows his rights, which includes the right to be a douchebag.


I have found through experience that the ones who start resisting while repeatedly asking what law they are breaking are the biggest epic douches of all time, as if the officers had any requirement what so ever to tell you what crime you might be charged with and they have no right to detain you until they tell you what it is and you agree with them that you've violated a law.

Comply with the police on the street, sue the ever living hell out of everyone involved later if it wasn't legal.
 
2013-08-01 06:37:06 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There's no such thing as an illegal campaign sign


Yes there is?

My own dad got involved in a kerfluffle when he physically removed an illegal sign and threw it in the dumpster.  The opponents jumped him with a video camera and attacked him.  It made the local news.  My dad was not wrong for doing so even though his method was too direct.

One thing I'll tell you is that local races are farking brutal.
 
2013-08-01 06:38:16 PM
No matter what happened here or why, that guys sounds like an asshole.
 
2013-08-01 06:42:21 PM

Mr.Hawk: No matter what happened here or why, that guys

(or everybody involved) sounds like an asshole.

FTFM
 
2013-08-01 07:08:37 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Nice haul!
 
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