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(The Atlantic Wire)   Hillary Clinton was right about Barack Obama in 2008 and we probably should have elected her if we actually wanted to get stuff done   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 81
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2013-08-01 07:27:52 PM  

Stone Meadow: jigger: Stone Meadow: How liberal am I? I campaigned for Hillary in '08...and wrote her name in on the general.

Yeah, you know that liberal hippie Hillary Clinton.

Yep, she's a bit of a prude, personally, but she also championed progressive ideas: universal single-payer health care, gays in the military, etc. Moreover, she has matured and gotten wiser since 2008 by virtue of her SoS experience, and imo will make a better POTUS for it.


Yeah the person who voted for both the Iraq war & the Patriot Act; and launched an investigation into the Hot Coffee Mod for GTA is an outstanding "liberal".
 The only thing she'll do as POTUS is make sure we're the bankers biatch even more so than Obama
 
2013-08-01 07:41:27 PM  

Stone Meadow: jigger: Stone Meadow: How liberal am I? I campaigned for Hillary in '08...and wrote her name in on the general.

Yeah, you know that liberal hippie Hillary Clinton.

Yep, she's a bit of a prude, personally, but she also championed progressive ideas: universal single-payer health care, gays in the military, etc. Moreover, she has matured and gotten wiser since 2008 by virtue of her SoS experience, and imo will make a better POTUS for it.


Yeah she would make a very strong POTUS. I just wish I heard her stand up for more liberal causes then she does.
 
2013-08-01 07:42:25 PM  

ShadowKamui: Stone Meadow: jigger: Stone Meadow: How liberal am I? I campaigned for Hillary in '08...and wrote her name in on the general.

Yeah the person who voted for both the Iraq war & the Patriot Act; and launched an investigation into the Hot Coffee Mod for GTA is an outstanding "liberal".
 The only thing she'll do as POTUS is make sure we're the bankers biatch even more so than Obama


In the real world we understand that no one is "perfect", but Hillary stands head and shoulders above anyone else on the 2016 event horizon, and I'm happy to campaign for and vote for her. Pick whichever Republican you like best and do the same. Just understand that she's going to mop the floor with him.

Oh, and don't be too sure about that 'bankers biatch' thingie, either.
 
2013-08-01 07:53:00 PM  

Stone Meadow: ShadowKamui: Stone Meadow: jigger: Stone Meadow: How liberal am I? I campaigned for Hillary in '08...and wrote her name in on the general.

Yeah the person who voted for both the Iraq war & the Patriot Act; and launched an investigation into the Hot Coffee Mod for GTA is an outstanding "liberal".
 The only thing she'll do as POTUS is make sure we're the bankers biatch even more so than Obama

In the real world we understand that no one is "perfect", but Hillary stands head and shoulders above anyone else on the 2016 event horizon, and I'm happy to campaign for and vote for her. Pick whichever Republican you like best and do the same. Just understand that she's going to mop the floor with him.

Oh, and don't be too sure about that 'bankers biatch' thingie, either.


You know you could just campaign for Warren now, there is this thing called the Democratic Primary....
 
2013-08-01 07:55:42 PM  
Sad, but true. Which does not change the fact that Hillary is a DLC tool beholden to very real powers that are anything but liberal.

There is no real political Left in America outside of a few districts. Just words and right-wing accusations.
 
2013-08-01 07:58:04 PM  

ShadowKamui: You know you could just campaign for Warren now, there is this thing called the Democratic Primary....


As much as I admire Warren, I'm going with Hillary.
 
2013-08-01 08:46:59 PM  

jj325: PC LOAD LETTER: She would NEVER have been elected. The GOP had a smear campaign a mile wide and fathoms deep to launch against her. It would have been awful.

Came here to say this.  She had no chance in 2008.  Even less chance in 2016.   The right can dream that they will run against her, but I'm guessing the Dem nominee in 2016 is someone most people have not heard of as of today.  Including me


This^

/Still think it'll be Elizabeth Warren
 
2013-08-01 08:58:59 PM  
Clinton/Warren
As for Hill rather than Obama in 08, elections are just like voting rights in America, it's bros before hoes.
 
2013-08-01 09:03:33 PM  
b...b.but we didn't realize the GOP hated negroes more than they hate women
 
2013-08-01 09:10:38 PM  
The difference is that President Hillary would have McConnell's and Boehner's testicles in a jar on her desk.
 
2013-08-01 10:17:01 PM  

whidbey: Actually, WE were right about Clinton in 2008 and that's why we didn't elect da b*tch.



Who are 'WE'?

Would 'WE' vote for her when she wins the democrat domination?
 
2013-08-01 10:18:01 PM  
In 2008 I considered Clinton as someone who could get the healthcare system sorted out better than Obama, but I pulled the lever for Obama because he seemed as the more moderate who could get more things done. And I was right! The assumption of the article that Obama cannot lead is bull. He has been extraordinary in the face of unprecedented obstruction. Perhaps we will see if Clinton is better at presiding than Obama next time. Unless of course the GOP has some wizard pizza delivery guy we don't know about yet.
 
2013-08-01 10:22:44 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: She would have been a great President and was my choice over anyone else in the field, especially over McCain.

She knew enough about how Washington works and the importance of working with others and wouldn't have started her presidency by declaring "I won" when faced with a proposal by the GOP to cut taxes on the poor.


She knew that Republicans were emotionally immature, intellectually bankrupt assholes? Maybe. But we all sort of know that. Kill yourself.
 
2013-08-01 10:28:43 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: whidbey: Actually, WE were right about Clinton in 2008 and that's why we didn't elect da b*tch.


Who are 'WE'?

Would 'WE' vote for her when she wins the democrat domination?


I still find it funny that so many people, particularly right-wing shills and trolls pretending to be such, assume that Hillary will even RUN for the nomination (when she has said she has no intention to), let alone win it. Good to see the Republicans haven't learned a damn thing from the '08 election!
 
2013-08-01 10:33:06 PM  

LordJiro: I still find it funny that so many people, particularly right-wing shills and trolls pretending to be such, assume that Hillary will even RUN for the nomination (when she has said she has no intention to), let alone win it. Good to see the Republicans haven't learned a damn thing from the '08 election!


I stand corrected, sir.  When a Clinton speaks, it's the TRUTH.
 
2013-08-01 10:38:41 PM  
The Bacon King '16
 
2013-08-01 10:43:17 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: LordJiro: I still find it funny that so many people, particularly right-wing shills and trolls pretending to be such, assume that Hillary will even RUN for the nomination (when she has said she has no intention to), let alone win it. Good to see the Republicans haven't learned a damn thing from the '08 election!

I stand corrected, sir.  When a Clinton speaks, it's the TRUTH.


Even on the off chance she DOES run, there are enough Democrats who don't like her for whatever reason. She won't get the nomination, and Republicans will have wasted all this smearing on a candidate who has no realistic shot at the nomination, so they'll have used up a lot of their outrage on nothing, and will have to make shiat up for the ACTUAL nominee. Like complaining about their birth certificate, or biatching about what vegetables or condiments they like.

Just like 08.
 
2013-08-01 10:43:32 PM  
We should elect someone who thinks a poetry reading is sniper fire.

Sorry, Hilly-baby, but when people live out paranoid fantasies...that disqualifies them from the position.
 
2013-08-01 10:44:50 PM  

SevenizGud: We should elect someone who thinks a poetry reading is sniper fire.

Sorry, Hilly-baby, but when people live out paranoid fantasies...that disqualifies them from the position.


Like believing Democrats are "liberals" hell-bent on turning America into the USSR, rather than center-right corporatists?
 
2013-08-01 11:07:26 PM  

LordJiro: Even on the off chance she DOES run, there are enough Democrats who don't like her for whatever reason. She won't get the nomination, and Republicans will have wasted all this smearing on a candidate who has no realistic shot at the nomination, so they'll have used up a lot of their outrage on nothing, and will have to make shiat up for the ACTUAL nominee. Like complaining about their birth certificate, or biatching about what vegetables or condiments they like. Just like 08.


What rock have you been living under? Name someone...ANYONE in the DNC who is going to sneak up and upset the Hillary juggernaut. Even Joe Biden acknowledges he will bow out if she runs.

And what happened to you, LordJiro? You used to be a cool guy, as I recall. Why the bitter notes?

LordJiro: SevenizGud: We should elect someone who thinks a poetry reading is sniper fire.

Sorry, Hilly-baby, but when people live out paranoid fantasies...that disqualifies them from the position.

Like believing Democrats are "liberals" hell-bent on turning America into the USSR, rather than center-right corporatists?


Who believes that? In the world of Realpolitik we have to play the hand we're dealt, and you know that. I take it you aren't arguing for a Right Wing GOP Administration.
 
2013-08-02 12:16:33 AM  

Stone Meadow: ShadowKamui: You know you could just campaign for Warren now, there is this thing called the Democratic Primary....

As much as I admire Warren, I'm going with Hillary.


Why?  What does Hillary bring to the table that random Dem doesn't also.  Unless of course you're into massive narcissism, grossly incompetent underlings and a pro-banker authoritarianism agenda.
 
2013-08-02 12:18:07 AM  
The Democrats need to look at other candidates *besides* Hillary for 2016. They're setting themselves up for disaster if they're pinning all their hopes upon her and only her.
 
2013-08-02 05:56:47 AM  

Diogenes: Oh this crap again?  Please.  The man is more than his speeches.  And if you think the GOP would have gone easier on Hillary, or that she wouldn't have faced the same intransigence, you're really deluded.


I think the difference between the two, is that she is a lot less likely to play nice like Obama. He was (and apparently) still is pretty naive about the republican party playing nice, being bipartisan, and getting stuff done....she's been down that road and knows it's not true.
 
2013-08-02 07:39:25 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: The Democrats need to look at other candidates *besides* Hillary for 2016. They're setting themselves up for disaster if they're pinning all their hopes upon her and only her.


It is weird to hear people who predicted a Clinton presidency in 2008 be so unwilling to learn from history.
 
2013-08-02 09:18:06 AM  

ShadowKamui: Stone Meadow: ShadowKamui: You know you could just campaign for Warren now, there is this thing called the Democratic Primary....

As much as I admire Warren, I'm going with Hillary.

Why?  What does Hillary bring to the table that random Dem doesn't also.  Unless of course you're into massive narcissism, grossly incompetent underlings and a pro-banker authoritarianism agenda.


In short? The ability to win the election. Biden doesn't have that. Warren certainly does not. And neither does any even remotely likely Democratic candidate. Moreover, they all know it because they don't listen to people like the Skewed Polls guy.

You see this photo? It was taken 4 days ago at a private lunch at the White House.

i.huffpost.com

Officially, the President and Hillary were "catching up" on news and events. In my completely unofficial view, they are sending the message that she is the heir apparent. No need to leave openings for the GOP, so to speak.

And AFAIK, no other Democrat is laying the groundwork for a national campaign. Sure, it's early days yet, but SHE is...or at least her supporters are. Campaign volunteers are being lined up; money is being raised -- LOTS of money, and the message is getting out. Sure, another Democrat(s) could start campaigning, but what are we hearing from them? Crickets.

Likewise, what do we hear from the GOP? Well, they plan to hold the House, and hope to make inroads in the Senate, but what about the White House? Anybody? Bueller? I'm beginning to suspect they've emotionally internalized that they can't win the WH, but only time will tell.
 
2013-08-02 09:36:38 AM  
You mean to suggest an experienced woman wouldn't be as good as an inexperienced man?
 
2013-08-02 10:07:00 AM  
I voted for her in the 2008 Texas Democratic primary & was surprised to see so many people show up to vote at my precinct in an overwhelmingly staunch GOP Houston suburb. My first thought was, "Where did all these Democrats come from?" I even saw a few acquaintances that I never knew where Democrats. Then I realized that they weren't secretly Democrats but were there to vote for Obama against Hillary. They hated her so much & they didn't believe Obama could ever win. They've been complaining about it ever since, to my great satisfaction.
 
2013-08-02 10:22:14 AM  

BinderWoman: I voted for her in the 2008 Texas Democratic primary & was surprised to see so many people show up to vote at my precinct in an overwhelmingly staunch GOP Houston suburb. My first thought was, "Where did all these Democrats come from?" I even saw a few acquaintances that I never knew where Democrats. Then I realized that they weren't secretly Democrats but were there to vote for Obama against Hillary. They hated her so much & they didn't believe Obama could ever win. They've been complaining about it ever since, to my great satisfaction.


IIRC Texas is one of a small number of states with open primaries, so that actually sounds feasible.
 
2013-08-02 05:36:26 PM  
And if Romney was elected he'd have made 400 million new jobs by now.  Alternate-reality-sight is 20/20.
 
2013-08-02 05:48:46 PM  

Stone Meadow: In my completely unofficial view, they are sending the message that she is the heir apparent. No need to leave openings for the GOP, so to speak.


You sound concerned.
 
2013-08-02 06:22:13 PM  

whidbey: Stone Meadow: In my completely unofficial view, they are sending the message that she is the heir apparent. No need to leave openings for the GOP, so to speak.

You sound concerned pleased.


Fixed
 
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