If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Atlantic Wire)   Hillary Clinton was right about Barack Obama in 2008 and we probably should have elected her if we actually wanted to get stuff done   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 81
    More: Obvious, Obama, Jedi Mind, American Love, Bill Clinton, James Carville, Maureen Dowd  
•       •       •

1758 clicks; posted to Politics » on 01 Aug 2013 at 4:36 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



81 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2013-08-01 04:17:34 PM
Oh this crap again?  Please.  The man is more than his speeches.  And if you think the GOP would have gone easier on Hillary, or that she wouldn't have faced the same intransigence, you're really deluded.
 
2013-08-01 04:18:39 PM

Diogenes: And if you think the GOP would have gone easier on Hillary, or that she wouldn't have faced the same intransigence, you're really deluded.


^THIS
 
2013-08-01 04:24:37 PM
Because Hillary...

pizen: Diogenes: And if you think the GOP would have gone easier on Hillary, or that she wouldn't have faced the same intransigence, you're really deluded.

^THIS


Ah, already been said.  Fiddlesticks.
 
2013-08-01 04:28:28 PM
The biggest reason NOT to vote for Hillary is so that people like James Carville don't get anywhere near the White House ever again.

If you think the Lib cult of the Obama Messiah is bad, wait until the "Clintonistas" get back into power.
 
2013-08-01 04:31:39 PM
She would NEVER have been elected. The GOP had a smear campaign a mile wide and fathoms deep to launch against her. It would have been awful.
 
2013-08-01 04:32:48 PM
Empty suit week again?
 
2013-08-01 04:33:23 PM

themindiswatching: Empty suit week again?


Next week is "tirelessly working to destroy America" week
 
2013-08-01 04:35:03 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: She would NEVER have been elected. The GOP had a smear campaign a mile wide and fathoms deep to launch against her. It would have been awful.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-01 04:37:14 PM
The argument here is that Obama's mistake is that he thought the Republicans could be reasoned with.
 
2013-08-01 04:41:58 PM
Seems like the narrative this week is:

"Clintons don't like Obama anymore, say he's a total chode"
 
2013-08-01 04:42:02 PM

vernonFL: The biggest reason NOT to vote for Hillary is so that people like James Carville don't get anywhere near the White House ever again.

If you think the Lib cult of the Obama Messiah is bad, wait until the "Clintonistas" get back into power.


Can't wait!
 
2013-08-01 04:44:10 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: She would NEVER have been elected. The GOP had a smear campaign a mile wide and fathoms deep to launch against her. It would have been awful.


maybe in 2008, but people nowadays are more put off by republican "smear campaigns". She could win in 2016.
 
2013-08-01 04:44:12 PM
The problem was not the message the problem was the implementation, specifically Obama does not have and never did have the personality to do a Jedi mind-meld. Obama is the classic INTJ lawyer-type who goes into politics but then can't transcend his introversion. He fundamentally feels most comfortable relating to people via the world of ideas and is awkward at grasping the emotional moment (though he has go better at this as time has gone on). Basically, he had the right message but could never figure out how to get over himself. Welcome to being a human being.
 
2013-08-01 04:44:21 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: She would NEVER have been elected. The GOP had a smear campaign a mile wide and fathoms deep to launch against her. It would have been awful.


So it was Clinton-esqe then?
 
2013-08-01 04:44:55 PM
The temper tantrums and obstructionism from the right would be worse if they had to play with a girl.
 
2013-08-01 04:45:49 PM

Diogenes: Oh this crap again?  Please.  The man is more than his speeches.  And if you think the GOP would have gone easier on Hillary, or that she wouldn't have faced the same intransigence, you're really deluded.


GOP would have gone easier on her out of fear.

I swear they think the woman is a witch capable of placing hexes on their children.
 
2013-08-01 04:47:38 PM
Ambivalence:  She could win in 2016.

She can but I remain convinced that she won't run even though a lot of people want her too. Many people were convinced after the Lewinsky scandal that she would divorce Bill and she never did. She can go against the crowd. Her tenure at the State Dept. had all the marks of a person in a hurry. That's someone who is likely to retire, not go on to be President.
 
2013-08-01 04:49:05 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: themindiswatching: Empty suit week again?

Next week is "tirelessly working to destroy America" week


When do we circle around to "seekrit Muslin Marxist Kenyan Lizard-person" week again?

I wanna hit the sales before the stores get crowded.
 
2013-08-01 04:51:11 PM
Now that our precious little king is an obvious lame-duck failure, get used to these 'Hero Hillary' stories.

Seriously... GET USED to them.
 
2013-08-01 04:51:15 PM
Why do we have to talk about the same stupid article twice in one day?
 
2013-08-01 04:53:05 PM

vernonFL: If you think the Lib cult of the Obama Messiah is bad, wait until the "Clintonistas" get back into power.


I honestly can't tell if you're mocking right wingers or trolling everyone else.
 
2013-08-01 04:53:47 PM
OK, what the fark?

Another article saying basically the same thing (Hillary's attacks on Obama in 2008 were on the money!) from Politico was greened earlier.

It really, really feels like somebody just passed out some talking points.
 
2013-08-01 04:54:11 PM

worlddan: The problem was not the message the problem was the implementation, specifically Obama does not have and never did have the personality to do a Jedi mind-meld. Obama is the classic INTJ lawyer-type who goes into politics but then can't transcend his introversion. He fundamentally feels most comfortable relating to people via the world of ideas and is awkward at grasping the emotional moment (though he has go better at this as time has gone on). Basically, he had the right message but could never figure out how to get over himself. Welcome to being a human being.


What is this? Can someone bold the references?
 
2013-08-01 04:54:14 PM

clintster: PC LOAD LETTER: themindiswatching: Empty suit week again?

Next week is "tirelessly working to destroy America" week

When do we circle around to "seekrit Muslin Marxist Kenyan Lizard-person" week again?

I wanna hit the sales before the stores get crowded.


Last week of August. I'll be on vacation.
 
2013-08-01 04:54:21 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: She would NEVER have been elected. The GOP had a smear campaign a mile wide and fathoms deep to launch against her. It would have been awful.


Came here to say this.  She had no chance in 2008.  Even less chance in 2016.   The right can dream that they will run against her, but I'm guessing the Dem nominee in 2016 is someone most people have not heard of as of today.  Including me
 
2013-08-01 04:55:21 PM

themindiswatching: Empty suit week again?


does that coincide with libby socialist week or corporatist tool-of-wall-street week?
 
2013-08-01 05:00:57 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: She would NEVER have been elected. The GOP had a smear campaign a mile wide and fathoms deep to launch against her. It would have been awful.


I really think/hope we will never find out, but part of me is curious if Republicans have something big on the Clintons in their back pocket, or just think they do. Remember how they suddenly decided Hillary was the better candidate after Obama went from "also-ran who helps drain the Clinton war chest in the primaries" to "candidate with the most delagates"? Remember how conservative news sources kept suggesting Obama should drop Biden and add Hilary as his VP pick in 2012 (seriously; all the suggestions were coming from conservative media sources at the time)? I'm wondering if they've been sitting on an October Surprise they've been wanting to spring for 5 years or if they thought dragging out Whitewater again (like the Citizen's United video did) was TOTALLY going to turn public opinion against her. At least they have Benghazi to add to the routine if she runs this time around.
 
2013-08-01 05:00:58 PM
Gist of article: Stupid man world!

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-01 05:07:26 PM
Yeah.....that would have made a difference to the old white men who are desperately trying to cling to power by farking up everything
 
2013-08-01 05:10:16 PM

netweavr: Diogenes: Oh this crap again?  Please.  The man is more than his speeches.  And if you think the GOP would have gone easier on Hillary, or that she wouldn't have faced the same intransigence, you're really deluded.

GOP would have gone easier on her out of fear.

I swear they think the woman is a witch capable of placing hexes on their children.


Scroll down a bit to the article where Texan wants Wendy Davis to pay for the new special session she caused them to call.
 
2013-08-01 05:10:19 PM

Diogenes: Oh this crap again?  Please.  The man is more than his speeches.  And if you think the GOP would have gone easier on Hillary, or that she wouldn't have faced the same intransigence, you're really deluded.


On health care I think Clinton would have moved much faster to use reconciliation to push the law through the Senate rather than let Max Baucus spend all summer pleading with the GOP in his committee, and as a result, we would have gotten a single payer system.
 
2013-08-01 05:13:29 PM
She'll get her chance.
 
2013-08-01 05:18:22 PM
Its a fluff propaganda piece...Yawn. Is anyone surprised by these articles? They are just beating the drum for 2016, its like all those derpfests "OMG! Did You Know Clinton is over 6,000,000 years Old!" or "Ted Cruz is America's Last Hope!" and anyone who takes them any more seriously than that is a moron. But it amuses me that people are getting bent out of shape over what is essentially the online equivalent of an infomercial. Especially one pushing a candidate that has yet to say they are going to run.
 
2013-08-01 05:24:04 PM
Actually, WE were right about Clinton in 2008 and that's why we didn't elect da b*tch.
 
2013-08-01 05:24:36 PM

netweavr: Diogenes: Oh this crap again?  Please.  The man is more than his speeches.  And if you think the GOP would have gone easier on Hillary, or that she wouldn't have faced the same intransigence, you're really deluded.

GOP would have gone easier on her out of fear.

I swear they think the woman is a witch capable of placing hexes on their children.


Fear of what? Fear of this battlestation?
 
2013-08-01 05:26:52 PM
hillary would have been a huge step up... anyway, no matter who wins in 2016, getting obama out will be a great consolation prize
 
2013-08-01 05:36:26 PM

thornhill: Diogenes: Oh this crap again?  Please.  The man is more than his speeches.  And if you think the GOP would have gone easier on Hillary, or that she wouldn't have faced the same intransigence, you're really deluded.

On health care I think Clinton would have moved much faster to use reconciliation to push the law through the Senate rather than let Max Baucus spend all summer pleading with the GOP in his committee, and as a result, we would have gotten a single payer system.


Maybe. She wouldn't have had the "angry black man" albatross. But maybe "biatchy woman" is just as bad. Or, she wouldn't have even tried to tackle health care at all. Kinda hard to say at this point.
 
2013-08-01 05:43:19 PM
She would have been a great President and was my choice over anyone else in the field, especially over McCain.

She knew enough about how Washington works and the importance of working with others and wouldn't have started her presidency by declaring "I won" when faced with a proposal by the GOP to cut taxes on the poor.
 
2013-08-01 05:49:21 PM
That does it, I'm not voting for Obama next time.
 
2013-08-01 05:52:22 PM

Evil High Priest: thornhill: Diogenes: Oh this crap again?  Please.  The man is more than his speeches.  And if you think the GOP would have gone easier on Hillary, or that she wouldn't have faced the same intransigence, you're really deluded.

On health care I think Clinton would have moved much faster to use reconciliation to push the law through the Senate rather than let Max Baucus spend all summer pleading with the GOP in his committee, and as a result, we would have gotten a single payer system.

Maybe. She wouldn't have had the "angry black man" albatross. But maybe "biatchy woman" is just as bad. Or, she wouldn't have even tried to tackle health care at all. Kinda hard to say at this point.


I think it's more that Obama's rhetoric of restoring bipartisanship and reaching across the aisle was so central to his platform that he was obligated to go through the motions. In fact, a lot of his actions during his first term seemed aimed at avoiding being accused of hypocrisy on that rhetoric.
 
2013-08-01 05:52:29 PM

Stone Meadow: vernonFL: The biggest reason NOT to vote for Hillary is so that people like James Carville don't get anywhere near the White House ever again.

If you think the Lib cult of the Obama Messiah is bad, wait until the "Clintonistas" get back into power.

Can't wait!


I find your hyperbole entertaining.

After all, Republicans have never EVER placed a president on a ridiculously undeserved pedestal.  Republicans have never taken the words of individual men as gospel truth, with no respect to the actual truthfulness of those words, followed these men blindly.  Republicans have never put forth a candidate with a cultish following that nodded their head vigorously at the exceptionally radical ideas proclaimed from a stage before a riotous audience.

You know what the difference between Obama and those other men is?  Obama knows he is not a messiah, never wanted to be that person.  He has tried to compromise, he has tried to reason, he has really tried to work with the other side.  He has never acted like his word is holy writ, whispered to him by some deity, infallible in every way.

I can understand why you people see the whole messiah thing though.  Anytime someone doesn't agree with you, you want to torture and crucify them.  Every messiah needs a good set of pharisees to work off of, amirite?
 
2013-08-01 05:55:39 PM
there's that famous progressive humor

HAY GUYS OBAMA WON"T WIN REELECTION IN 2016 HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
 
2013-08-01 06:13:17 PM
Ok so to fix that mistake let's elect Hillary in 2016 and 2020 then follow that up with Elizabeth Warren in 2024, meanwhile the GOP will be gnashing and wailing that someone didn't put their cream corn through a blender first to get rid of any left over chunks, and screaming to keep the government out of their obamacare.
 
2013-08-01 06:13:40 PM
Oh please, the Republicans would simply have taken the chance to spend another $50 million appointing an "independent investigator" to sniff the Clintons' underwear, again, to finally answer the burning questions about when Hillary knew about the Clinton/Monica blowjobs, why she had Vince Foster murdered, how much money they made running drugs out of Mena airport, on cattle futures and White Water real estate investment.  It would be 1998 all over again, only without the great economy.
 
2013-08-01 06:21:43 PM

deeyablo: Stone Meadow: vernonFL: The biggest reason NOT to vote for Hillary is so that people like James Carville don't get anywhere near the White House ever again.

If you think the Lib cult of the Obama Messiah is bad, wait until the "Clintonistas" get back into power.

Can't wait!

I find your hyperbole entertaining.

After all, Republicans have never EVER placed a president on a ridiculously undeserved pedestal.  Republicans have never taken the words of individual men as gospel truth, with no respect to the actual truthfulness of those words, followed these men blindly.  Republicans have never put forth a candidate with a cultish following that nodded their head vigorously at the exceptionally radical ideas proclaimed from a stage before a riotous audience.

You know what the difference between Obama and those other men is?  Obama knows he is not a messiah, never wanted to be that person.  He has tried to compromise, he has tried to reason, he has really tried to work with the other side.  He has never acted like his word is holy writ, whispered to him by some deity, infallible in every way.

I can understand why you people see the whole messiah thing though.  Anytime someone doesn't agree with you, you want to torture and crucify them.  Every messiah needs a good set of pharisees to work off of, amirite?


LOL...wut? Dude, I'm as liberal as it gets and was just riffing off vernonFL's comment.

How liberal am I? I helped organize my local Earth Day in 1970.
How liberal am I? I voted for George McGovern in 1972.
How liberal am I? I voted for Jimmy Carter...TWICE.
How liberal am I? I served in the Peace Corps.
How liberal am I? I campaigned for Hillary in '08...and wrote her name in on the general.
How liberal am I? I voted for Obama in '12.
How liberal am I? I'm gonna campaign again for Hillary in '16.

How liberal am I? I CAN'T WAIT for the Clintonistas to take over the White House again. :^)
 
2013-08-01 06:24:42 PM
So the Democrats should run away from Obama?  Yea, that worked so well for Al Gore.

Obama is/was (speaking from the 2016 campaign standpoint) a fine effective president who handled a lot of difficult things quite well.  I wish he had done more but he is hardly a son i am dissapoint.  An 'Obama who?' campaign on the part of a Democratic candidate is playing into GOP hands. 

Obama won 2 elections and left the country in much better shape than he found it, do not run away from his record.
 
2013-08-01 06:31:38 PM

asmodeus224: So the Democrats should run away from Obama?  Yea, that worked so well for Al Gore.

Obama is/was (speaking from the 2016 campaign standpoint) a fine effective president who handled a lot of difficult things quite well.  I wish he had done more but he is hardly a son i am dissapoint.  An 'Obama who?' campaign on the part of a Democratic candidate is playing into GOP hands. 

Obama won 2 elections and left the country in much better shape than he found it, do not run away from his record.


AMEN!
 
2013-08-01 06:41:20 PM
But she's also suggested Obama could learn from the Clintons' experience in the '90s. "The Clintons have emerged stronger on the back end of their scandals," Dowd said. "America's ultimate survivors are now truly potent or dangerous, depending on how you look at it, because Americans love them Bridget Jones-style, just the way they are, warts and all."


So what did the Clinton's do in the 90's that moved things more to the left than Obama has? Obama passed Healthcare Reform, Clinton didn't. Everything big I can think Clinton did was things actually moving things to the right like NAFTA and DOMA.
 
2013-08-01 06:45:33 PM

Stone Meadow: How liberal am I? I campaigned for Hillary in '08...and wrote her name in on the general.


Yeah, you know that liberal hippie Hillary Clinton.
 
2013-08-01 07:15:35 PM

jigger: Stone Meadow: How liberal am I? I campaigned for Hillary in '08...and wrote her name in on the general.

Yeah, you know that liberal hippie Hillary Clinton.


Yep, she's a bit of a prude, personally, but she also championed progressive ideas: universal single-payer health care, gays in the military, etc. Moreover, she has matured and gotten wiser since 2008 by virtue of her SoS experience, and imo will make a better POTUS for it.
 
2013-08-01 07:27:52 PM

Stone Meadow: jigger: Stone Meadow: How liberal am I? I campaigned for Hillary in '08...and wrote her name in on the general.

Yeah, you know that liberal hippie Hillary Clinton.

Yep, she's a bit of a prude, personally, but she also championed progressive ideas: universal single-payer health care, gays in the military, etc. Moreover, she has matured and gotten wiser since 2008 by virtue of her SoS experience, and imo will make a better POTUS for it.


Yeah the person who voted for both the Iraq war & the Patriot Act; and launched an investigation into the Hot Coffee Mod for GTA is an outstanding "liberal".
 The only thing she'll do as POTUS is make sure we're the bankers biatch even more so than Obama
 
2013-08-01 07:41:27 PM

Stone Meadow: jigger: Stone Meadow: How liberal am I? I campaigned for Hillary in '08...and wrote her name in on the general.

Yeah, you know that liberal hippie Hillary Clinton.

Yep, she's a bit of a prude, personally, but she also championed progressive ideas: universal single-payer health care, gays in the military, etc. Moreover, she has matured and gotten wiser since 2008 by virtue of her SoS experience, and imo will make a better POTUS for it.


Yeah she would make a very strong POTUS. I just wish I heard her stand up for more liberal causes then she does.
 
2013-08-01 07:42:25 PM

ShadowKamui: Stone Meadow: jigger: Stone Meadow: How liberal am I? I campaigned for Hillary in '08...and wrote her name in on the general.

Yeah the person who voted for both the Iraq war & the Patriot Act; and launched an investigation into the Hot Coffee Mod for GTA is an outstanding "liberal".
 The only thing she'll do as POTUS is make sure we're the bankers biatch even more so than Obama


In the real world we understand that no one is "perfect", but Hillary stands head and shoulders above anyone else on the 2016 event horizon, and I'm happy to campaign for and vote for her. Pick whichever Republican you like best and do the same. Just understand that she's going to mop the floor with him.

Oh, and don't be too sure about that 'bankers biatch' thingie, either.
 
2013-08-01 07:53:00 PM

Stone Meadow: ShadowKamui: Stone Meadow: jigger: Stone Meadow: How liberal am I? I campaigned for Hillary in '08...and wrote her name in on the general.

Yeah the person who voted for both the Iraq war & the Patriot Act; and launched an investigation into the Hot Coffee Mod for GTA is an outstanding "liberal".
 The only thing she'll do as POTUS is make sure we're the bankers biatch even more so than Obama

In the real world we understand that no one is "perfect", but Hillary stands head and shoulders above anyone else on the 2016 event horizon, and I'm happy to campaign for and vote for her. Pick whichever Republican you like best and do the same. Just understand that she's going to mop the floor with him.

Oh, and don't be too sure about that 'bankers biatch' thingie, either.


You know you could just campaign for Warren now, there is this thing called the Democratic Primary....
 
2013-08-01 07:55:42 PM
Sad, but true. Which does not change the fact that Hillary is a DLC tool beholden to very real powers that are anything but liberal.

There is no real political Left in America outside of a few districts. Just words and right-wing accusations.
 
2013-08-01 07:58:04 PM

ShadowKamui: You know you could just campaign for Warren now, there is this thing called the Democratic Primary....


As much as I admire Warren, I'm going with Hillary.
 
2013-08-01 08:46:59 PM

jj325: PC LOAD LETTER: She would NEVER have been elected. The GOP had a smear campaign a mile wide and fathoms deep to launch against her. It would have been awful.

Came here to say this.  She had no chance in 2008.  Even less chance in 2016.   The right can dream that they will run against her, but I'm guessing the Dem nominee in 2016 is someone most people have not heard of as of today.  Including me


This^

/Still think it'll be Elizabeth Warren
 
2013-08-01 08:58:59 PM
Clinton/Warren
As for Hill rather than Obama in 08, elections are just like voting rights in America, it's bros before hoes.
 
2013-08-01 09:03:33 PM
b...b.but we didn't realize the GOP hated negroes more than they hate women
 
2013-08-01 09:10:38 PM
The difference is that President Hillary would have McConnell's and Boehner's testicles in a jar on her desk.
 
2013-08-01 10:17:01 PM

whidbey: Actually, WE were right about Clinton in 2008 and that's why we didn't elect da b*tch.



Who are 'WE'?

Would 'WE' vote for her when she wins the democrat domination?
 
2013-08-01 10:18:01 PM
In 2008 I considered Clinton as someone who could get the healthcare system sorted out better than Obama, but I pulled the lever for Obama because he seemed as the more moderate who could get more things done. And I was right! The assumption of the article that Obama cannot lead is bull. He has been extraordinary in the face of unprecedented obstruction. Perhaps we will see if Clinton is better at presiding than Obama next time. Unless of course the GOP has some wizard pizza delivery guy we don't know about yet.
 
2013-08-01 10:22:44 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: She would have been a great President and was my choice over anyone else in the field, especially over McCain.

She knew enough about how Washington works and the importance of working with others and wouldn't have started her presidency by declaring "I won" when faced with a proposal by the GOP to cut taxes on the poor.


She knew that Republicans were emotionally immature, intellectually bankrupt assholes? Maybe. But we all sort of know that. Kill yourself.
 
2013-08-01 10:28:43 PM

Neighborhood Watch: whidbey: Actually, WE were right about Clinton in 2008 and that's why we didn't elect da b*tch.


Who are 'WE'?

Would 'WE' vote for her when she wins the democrat domination?


I still find it funny that so many people, particularly right-wing shills and trolls pretending to be such, assume that Hillary will even RUN for the nomination (when she has said she has no intention to), let alone win it. Good to see the Republicans haven't learned a damn thing from the '08 election!
 
2013-08-01 10:33:06 PM

LordJiro: I still find it funny that so many people, particularly right-wing shills and trolls pretending to be such, assume that Hillary will even RUN for the nomination (when she has said she has no intention to), let alone win it. Good to see the Republicans haven't learned a damn thing from the '08 election!


I stand corrected, sir.  When a Clinton speaks, it's the TRUTH.
 
2013-08-01 10:38:41 PM
The Bacon King '16
 
2013-08-01 10:43:17 PM

Neighborhood Watch: LordJiro: I still find it funny that so many people, particularly right-wing shills and trolls pretending to be such, assume that Hillary will even RUN for the nomination (when she has said she has no intention to), let alone win it. Good to see the Republicans haven't learned a damn thing from the '08 election!

I stand corrected, sir.  When a Clinton speaks, it's the TRUTH.


Even on the off chance she DOES run, there are enough Democrats who don't like her for whatever reason. She won't get the nomination, and Republicans will have wasted all this smearing on a candidate who has no realistic shot at the nomination, so they'll have used up a lot of their outrage on nothing, and will have to make shiat up for the ACTUAL nominee. Like complaining about their birth certificate, or biatching about what vegetables or condiments they like.

Just like 08.
 
2013-08-01 10:43:32 PM
We should elect someone who thinks a poetry reading is sniper fire.

Sorry, Hilly-baby, but when people live out paranoid fantasies...that disqualifies them from the position.
 
2013-08-01 10:44:50 PM

SevenizGud: We should elect someone who thinks a poetry reading is sniper fire.

Sorry, Hilly-baby, but when people live out paranoid fantasies...that disqualifies them from the position.


Like believing Democrats are "liberals" hell-bent on turning America into the USSR, rather than center-right corporatists?
 
2013-08-01 11:07:26 PM

LordJiro: Even on the off chance she DOES run, there are enough Democrats who don't like her for whatever reason. She won't get the nomination, and Republicans will have wasted all this smearing on a candidate who has no realistic shot at the nomination, so they'll have used up a lot of their outrage on nothing, and will have to make shiat up for the ACTUAL nominee. Like complaining about their birth certificate, or biatching about what vegetables or condiments they like. Just like 08.


What rock have you been living under? Name someone...ANYONE in the DNC who is going to sneak up and upset the Hillary juggernaut. Even Joe Biden acknowledges he will bow out if she runs.

And what happened to you, LordJiro? You used to be a cool guy, as I recall. Why the bitter notes?

LordJiro: SevenizGud: We should elect someone who thinks a poetry reading is sniper fire.

Sorry, Hilly-baby, but when people live out paranoid fantasies...that disqualifies them from the position.

Like believing Democrats are "liberals" hell-bent on turning America into the USSR, rather than center-right corporatists?


Who believes that? In the world of Realpolitik we have to play the hand we're dealt, and you know that. I take it you aren't arguing for a Right Wing GOP Administration.
 
2013-08-02 12:16:33 AM

Stone Meadow: ShadowKamui: You know you could just campaign for Warren now, there is this thing called the Democratic Primary....

As much as I admire Warren, I'm going with Hillary.


Why?  What does Hillary bring to the table that random Dem doesn't also.  Unless of course you're into massive narcissism, grossly incompetent underlings and a pro-banker authoritarianism agenda.
 
2013-08-02 12:18:07 AM
The Democrats need to look at other candidates *besides* Hillary for 2016. They're setting themselves up for disaster if they're pinning all their hopes upon her and only her.
 
2013-08-02 05:56:47 AM

Diogenes: Oh this crap again?  Please.  The man is more than his speeches.  And if you think the GOP would have gone easier on Hillary, or that she wouldn't have faced the same intransigence, you're really deluded.


I think the difference between the two, is that she is a lot less likely to play nice like Obama. He was (and apparently) still is pretty naive about the republican party playing nice, being bipartisan, and getting stuff done....she's been down that road and knows it's not true.
 
2013-08-02 07:39:25 AM

Bith Set Me Up: The Democrats need to look at other candidates *besides* Hillary for 2016. They're setting themselves up for disaster if they're pinning all their hopes upon her and only her.


It is weird to hear people who predicted a Clinton presidency in 2008 be so unwilling to learn from history.
 
2013-08-02 09:18:06 AM

ShadowKamui: Stone Meadow: ShadowKamui: You know you could just campaign for Warren now, there is this thing called the Democratic Primary....

As much as I admire Warren, I'm going with Hillary.

Why?  What does Hillary bring to the table that random Dem doesn't also.  Unless of course you're into massive narcissism, grossly incompetent underlings and a pro-banker authoritarianism agenda.


In short? The ability to win the election. Biden doesn't have that. Warren certainly does not. And neither does any even remotely likely Democratic candidate. Moreover, they all know it because they don't listen to people like the Skewed Polls guy.

You see this photo? It was taken 4 days ago at a private lunch at the White House.

i.huffpost.com

Officially, the President and Hillary were "catching up" on news and events. In my completely unofficial view, they are sending the message that she is the heir apparent. No need to leave openings for the GOP, so to speak.

And AFAIK, no other Democrat is laying the groundwork for a national campaign. Sure, it's early days yet, but SHE is...or at least her supporters are. Campaign volunteers are being lined up; money is being raised -- LOTS of money, and the message is getting out. Sure, another Democrat(s) could start campaigning, but what are we hearing from them? Crickets.

Likewise, what do we hear from the GOP? Well, they plan to hold the House, and hope to make inroads in the Senate, but what about the White House? Anybody? Bueller? I'm beginning to suspect they've emotionally internalized that they can't win the WH, but only time will tell.
 
2013-08-02 09:36:38 AM
You mean to suggest an experienced woman wouldn't be as good as an inexperienced man?
 
2013-08-02 10:07:00 AM
I voted for her in the 2008 Texas Democratic primary & was surprised to see so many people show up to vote at my precinct in an overwhelmingly staunch GOP Houston suburb. My first thought was, "Where did all these Democrats come from?" I even saw a few acquaintances that I never knew where Democrats. Then I realized that they weren't secretly Democrats but were there to vote for Obama against Hillary. They hated her so much & they didn't believe Obama could ever win. They've been complaining about it ever since, to my great satisfaction.
 
2013-08-02 10:22:14 AM

BinderWoman: I voted for her in the 2008 Texas Democratic primary & was surprised to see so many people show up to vote at my precinct in an overwhelmingly staunch GOP Houston suburb. My first thought was, "Where did all these Democrats come from?" I even saw a few acquaintances that I never knew where Democrats. Then I realized that they weren't secretly Democrats but were there to vote for Obama against Hillary. They hated her so much & they didn't believe Obama could ever win. They've been complaining about it ever since, to my great satisfaction.


IIRC Texas is one of a small number of states with open primaries, so that actually sounds feasible.
 
2013-08-02 05:36:26 PM
And if Romney was elected he'd have made 400 million new jobs by now.  Alternate-reality-sight is 20/20.
 
2013-08-02 05:48:46 PM

Stone Meadow: In my completely unofficial view, they are sending the message that she is the heir apparent. No need to leave openings for the GOP, so to speak.


You sound concerned.
 
2013-08-02 06:22:13 PM

whidbey: Stone Meadow: In my completely unofficial view, they are sending the message that she is the heir apparent. No need to leave openings for the GOP, so to speak.

You sound concerned pleased.


Fixed
 
Displayed 81 of 81 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report