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(The News & Observer (NC))   North Carolina cuts $117 million from their school budgets because of socalizim. Immediately turn to federal government for $30 million for education   (newsobserver.com) divider line 21
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2013-08-01 06:32:25 PM
3 votes:

King Something: qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?

They just didn't vote in the same numbers in 2010 as they did in 2008. As a result, NC GOP gains both houses of the state legislature (complete with veto-proof majority) and eventually the governor's office. And now, they're herpin' and derpin' as if there was no tomorrow, seemingly for no purpose except sticking it to the libs and/or punishing the people who, in 2008, voted for a ni...




The 2010 election was the usual small percentage of voters turning out, and the conservatives ran a well funded, anti Obama, anti Democrat campaign at all levels of state government. They also promised they'd turn around the state's economy if they were elected.

The Republicans gained a strong majority in both state houses that year, but not quite a veto proof majority. The state elected a Democrat governor that year too, so they had to behave themselves or she would veto their bills. One thing she couldn't stop though, was the legislature gerrymandering the state and Congressional districts. With that done, the 2012 election ended up in a landslide for conservatives, giving them a dominating majority everywhere. That's when they started with their true agenda, overturning everything they could find to turn this state into a conservative hellhole.

Oh and we're still waiting for those jobs they promised us.
2013-08-01 05:12:54 PM
3 votes:
Which state will be the first to get rid of all public schools, yet still require attendance? It'll make the lucky charter school company very rich, much like the health insurance companies.
2013-08-02 12:56:47 PM
2 votes:

UNC_Samurai: And private schools are never going to be the answer - all vouchers do is let people with just enough money escape a system that's being grossly neglected, while only making worse for the folks that can't afford to send their kids to private school even with the voucher, assuming the rural areas will even sniff a private school.


The elite schools will just raise the price beyond the voucher to keep out the riff raff, and the rest of the schools will be very hit or miss because many will be more concerned about profit and/or religious indoctrination than education, and they will struggle just as much as public schools with parental motivation (they have a leg up here when it's voluntary by only getting those motivated enough to do it, that goes away if it were mandatory) and getting good employees in shiatty locations.
2013-08-01 07:45:05 PM
2 votes:

Bendal: King Something: qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?

They just didn't vote in the same numbers in 2010 as they did in 2008. As a result, NC GOP gains both houses of the state legislature (complete with veto-proof majority) and eventually the governor's office. And now, they're herpin' and derpin' as if there was no tomorrow, seemingly for no purpose except sticking it to the libs and/or punishing the people who, in 2008, voted for a ni...

The 2010 election was the usual small percentage of voters turning out, and the conservatives ran a well funded, anti Obama, anti Democrat campaign at all levels of state government. They also promised they'd turn around the state's economy if they were elected.

The Republicans gained a strong majority in both state houses that year, but not quite a veto proof majority. The state elected a Democrat governor that year too, so they had to behave themselves or she would veto their bills. One thing she couldn't stop though, was the legislature gerrymandering the state and Congressional districts. With that done, the 2012 election ended up in a landslide for conservatives, giving them a dominating majority everywhere. That's when they started with their true agenda, overturning everything they could find to turn this state into a conservative hellhole.

Oh and we're still waiting for those jobs they promised us.


Bev Purdue was elected in '08, not in 2010.  But her administration was a bit of a shiatshow; it didn't help that her predecessor was grossly incompetent except when he was ridiculously corrupt, but she didn't do a whole lot to fix the state's woes.  But she had a "D" by her name, and 2010 saw the first Republican majority in both halves of the General Assembly since Reconstruction.  And not just Republicans - the teatards backed up by Dick Army and the Koch Brothers' money, and right-wing media's lies.  And when she tried to stem the tide of their bullshiat, she couldn't do it.  She didn't even TRY to veto the bill Time-Warner paid for which banned municipal broadband (something that might have made the state VERY attractive to tech companies), she only put up a token resistance to their derpy 2011-12 budget, and she decided she wasn't going to run for re-election in January, after McCrory had several months' time to build a campaign.  As a result, there was no one to really run against the Republicans for the governor's office.

She REALLY hurt the Democrats down-ballot, and may have cost Obama a few dozen thousand votes (although I'm not sure if a competent candidate on the ballot would have resulted in the turnout necessary to keep NC from scoring for Rmoney).  Now, thanks to a combination of her ineptitude, years of Mike Sleazley's corruption, and the easily lied- and pandered-to mouth-breathers in rural parts of the state, we've got a steaming pile of garbage between Jones and Lane Streets.

/and FARK YOU to all of you wankstains that voted for Amendment One.  This is not the farking 19th century!
2013-08-02 12:30:04 PM
1 votes:

dantheman195: cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.

Or they could get a voucher and send their kids to a better private school.

Oh wait, we can't do that because it would take the corrupt connected people (like unions and contractors) out of the loop, oh darn, screw you kids!


I see you have no farking clue about education in North Carolina.

We WISH we had a halfway decent teachers' union in this state.  Maybe if they had any collective bargaining powers, they wouldn't be losing their "tenure" in this new budget - "tenure" in this case meaning "we have to have a hearing before we fire you".

And private schools are never going to be the answer - all vouchers do is let people with just enough money escape a system that's being grossly neglected, while only making worse for the folks that can't afford to send their kids to private school even with the voucher, assuming the rural areas will even sniff a private school.
2013-08-02 11:21:59 AM
1 votes:

dantheman195: cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.

Or they could get a voucher and send their kids to a better private school.

Oh wait, we can't do that because it would take the corrupt connected people (like unions and contractors) out of the loop, oh darn, screw you kids!


Great!  Here's a voucher for the $8,000, equal to the amount of money a public school would use to educate your children.  But the "good" charter school costs $20,000!  Uh oh!  Fortunately Paste Eater Charter Academy for Advanced Teabagger Studies only charges $8k, but that is in the neighborhood with  those people.
2013-08-02 02:40:48 AM
1 votes:

wjmorris3: The feds should say no because the Declaration of Independence does not give the feds the authority to spend any money. In theory, all federal spending is unconstitutional.


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2013-08-02 01:58:34 AM
1 votes:

clkeagle: So... what is the end game?

I get why they're defunding public schools. They want everyone attending them to test so poorly that they can point to them and say "SEE? SEE? GUBMINT DOESN'T WERK!!!" And at the same time, driving many fundies to homeschool their children will ensure a moron class that will always vote for Jeebus.

But what comes after that? NC children will continue to perform poorly - especially at charter schools where their "teachers" are little more than underpaid babysitters with PowerPoint slideshows. The students who attend them will be just like the homeschooled kids... uneducated, no social maturity, and no hope of getting anything more than entry-level unskilled jobs for their entire lives. There will be one or two charter schools that are exceptions to this... they'll be exclusively for rich kids. Those privileged schools will actually teach enough to get into college - where they'll party for four or five years, and their parents buy degrees and corporate titles for their favored sons.

Is the NC GOP really going to hitch the state's entire future on a return to the feudal system? Their endgame is really a handful of corporate nobles reigning over a state full of poor, uneducated peasants?


You're giving these people WAY too much credit. As I stated earlier, I work in a public school in SD, the lowest paying state in the nation. People around here STILL biatch that teachers are overpaid. I've sat and listened to these people. It's not some grand conspiracy to make people dumber. I hear a few different things, depending on the individual.

1.) I went to school in a one-room schoolhouse with a single teacher who made $0.35/week, and I turned out just fine. Things are (or should be) exactly the same as they were in 1930, so there is no reason these schools need to spend so much of MY tax money!! (Do NOT ask these people how much money they get from the federal government in farm subsidies and/or social security. That's different - they DESERVE that money, dammit!!!!!)

2.) I've gotten MY education and my kids are all out of school now, so why the hell should I pay taxes to educate other people's kids???

3.) I dropped out of school in the eighth grade and dig holes for a living, and I don't make as much as these lazy teachers who only work 9 months a year and get to be inside all of the time! If I can get by on $8/hr., a teacher with a bachelor or master's degree should be able to as well!

It basically boils down to greed and/or envy. I don't want to pay taxes, and/or I don't want anybody else to make more money than I do, especially some fancy-pants college boy who doesn't even do any actual work. I sat in the bar one night and listened to a guy who owns several sections of land worth millions of dollars and who collects well over $100,000 in payments from the federal government every year for doing nothing piss and moan about how high his taxes are and how the school spends money "like drunken sailors" because the new teacher they hired was going to make $28,000. This was just a few years ago. You can't argue with people like that, you'll hurt yourself.
2013-08-01 11:58:31 PM
1 votes:
Does anybody else remember the old republican platform of investment in education is investment in the future? Does anybody else remember when we wanted all the poor kids to get the best educational opportunities because one poor kid might have an idea that changes the world? Does anybody else remember that all the founding fathers preached a good, free, public education so that even poor people could have upward mobility (a pillar of capitalism) and the ability to participate in a republican form of government? My gosh it must suck to be a teacher- and SevenisGud- we know they are lazy shiftless layabouts.
But by math a 1% raise on $40000 is $400 and if they work 36 weeks that is about $11 a week. You know Governor- you can keep the tax cut- I think somebody who has dedicated their life work to help children, to make children see they can do a little better than their parents- might just deserve $44 more a month.

Wow- our country is really starting to hate the idea of an educated populace and teachers earning a living. It is almost like we don't respect the people who take care of our children any more.
2013-08-01 11:15:42 PM
1 votes:

SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it

So, do you have an explanation as to why the legislature doesnt want teachers to have college degrees or undergo background checks?


Anyone can send their kid to private school right now if they don't like the public school system. The NC changes are all about funneling public money to religious schools and for-profit companies donating to their reelection campaigns.
2013-08-01 11:14:54 PM
1 votes:

SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it?


This post perfectly illustrates why we need to invest more in education.
2013-08-01 09:46:17 PM
1 votes:

clkeagle: So... what is the end game?

I get why they're defunding public schools. They want everyone attending them to test so poorly that they can point to them and say "SEE? SEE? GUBMINT DOESN'T WERK!!!" And at the same time, driving many fundies to homeschool their children will ensure a moron class that will always vote for Jeebus.

But what comes after that? NC children will continue to perform poorly - especially at charter schools where their "teachers" are little more than underpaid babysitters with PowerPoint slideshows. The students who attend them will be just like the homeschooled kids... uneducated, no social maturity, and no hope of getting anything more than entry-level unskilled jobs for their entire lives. There will be one or two charter schools that are exceptions to this... they'll be exclusively for rich kids. Those privileged schools will actually teach enough to get into college - where they'll party for four or five years, and their parents buy degrees and corporate titles for their favored sons.

Is the NC GOP really going to hitch the state's entire future on a return to the feudal system? Their endgame is really a handful of corporate nobles reigning over a state full of poor, uneducated peasants?


I said this in a few years ago when the GOP started all of this anti teacher and public schools stuff. They are trying to create two tiers of schools, one that your government voucher for education will cover the cost, and one that will cost 3 or 4 times as much as what the government gives you for a voucher. I guess you can tell what the government voucher will get you as far as schools go.
2013-08-01 09:24:43 PM
1 votes:

Apik0r0s: SevenizGud: Get rid of this overreach by government where it is involved in education AT ALL.

Outcome:
Federal spending on education: 0
State spending on Education: 0

Everyone happy - problem solved!

Everyone happy, just as in Idiocracy.


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"There are plenty of North Carolinians out there living really kick ass lives. My wife was North Carolinian - she's a pilot now."
2013-08-01 06:57:58 PM
1 votes:

Xetal: $40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!


Because they have no teachers union.

They'll cut their own budgets, then ask the federal government for help.

That federal money will come from New Jersey tax payers, who already pay high property taxes to support their own well paid teachers and high performing schools.

So we'll basically end up supporting both states.

/we should be two countries
2013-08-01 05:49:19 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?


They just didn't vote in the same numbers in 2010 as they did in 2008. As a result, NC GOP gains both houses of the state legislature (complete with veto-proof majority) and eventually the governor's office. And now, they're herpin' and derpin' as if there was no tomorrow, seemingly for no purpose except sticking it to the libs and/or punishing the people who, in 2008, voted for a ni...

...a bigger threat to America than Al Qaeda, the USSR, the Nazis and Skeletor combined.
2013-08-01 05:43:45 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?


Off-year elections and old white people happened.
2013-08-01 05:38:06 PM
1 votes:
That's like evil warlord shiat. Roll into town, steal everyone's food, then have the survivors compete for scraps for your own amusement.
2013-08-01 05:37:24 PM
1 votes:

Walker: NC is giving it's neighbor to the north (my state) a run for it's money for derpiest state. Here we just have a corrupt Governor (and family), a kooky Cuccinelli who wants to be Governor, an anti-gay and anti-woman statehouse, and state sponsored rape via transvaginal wands. Lately NC has been trying to top us. We must fend them off!


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We Kansans look down at you from the top of Derp Mountain and laugh. When you gaze long into Brownback, Brownback also gazes into you.
2013-08-01 05:36:42 PM
1 votes:
Teachers who earned master's degrees could reach $40,000 after 10 years

Why the fark would you get a master's degree for a job that pays less then $40,000.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink
2013-08-01 05:33:08 PM
1 votes:
Generally, teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years of experience. Teachers who earned master's degrees could reach $40,000 after 10 years, but the new state budget eliminates that pay boost.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Yep, clearly overpaid leeches on society - I can't imagine why the place isnt simply swamped with eager, highly educated people willing to throw themselves on the sword of profits and lower taxes for businesses.
2013-08-01 04:07:53 PM
1 votes:
NC is giving it's neighbor to the north (my state) a run for it's money for derpiest state. Here we just have a corrupt Governor (and family), a kooky Cuccinelli who wants to be Governor, an anti-gay and anti-woman statehouse, and state sponsored rape via transvaginal wands. Lately NC has been trying to top us. We must fend them off!
 
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