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(The News & Observer (NC))   North Carolina cuts $117 million from their school budgets because of socalizim. Immediately turn to federal government for $30 million for education   (newsobserver.com) divider line 107
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2013-08-02 12:30:04 PM

dantheman195: cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.

Or they could get a voucher and send their kids to a better private school.

Oh wait, we can't do that because it would take the corrupt connected people (like unions and contractors) out of the loop, oh darn, screw you kids!


I see you have no farking clue about education in North Carolina.

We WISH we had a halfway decent teachers' union in this state.  Maybe if they had any collective bargaining powers, they wouldn't be losing their "tenure" in this new budget - "tenure" in this case meaning "we have to have a hearing before we fire you".

And private schools are never going to be the answer - all vouchers do is let people with just enough money escape a system that's being grossly neglected, while only making worse for the folks that can't afford to send their kids to private school even with the voucher, assuming the rural areas will even sniff a private school.
 
2013-08-02 12:56:47 PM

UNC_Samurai: And private schools are never going to be the answer - all vouchers do is let people with just enough money escape a system that's being grossly neglected, while only making worse for the folks that can't afford to send their kids to private school even with the voucher, assuming the rural areas will even sniff a private school.


The elite schools will just raise the price beyond the voucher to keep out the riff raff, and the rest of the schools will be very hit or miss because many will be more concerned about profit and/or religious indoctrination than education, and they will struggle just as much as public schools with parental motivation (they have a leg up here when it's voluntary by only getting those motivated enough to do it, that goes away if it were mandatory) and getting good employees in shiatty locations.
 
2013-08-03 12:01:59 AM

Job Creator: dantheman195: cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.

Or they could get a voucher and send their kids to a better private school.

Oh wait, we can't do that because it would take the corrupt connected people (like unions and contractors) out of the loop, oh darn, screw you kids!

Great!  Here's a voucher for the $8,000, equal to the amount of money a public school would use to educate your children.  But the "good" charter school costs $20,000!  Uh oh!  Fortunately Paste Eater Charter Academy for Advanced Teabagger Studies only charges $8k, but that is in the neighborhood with  those people.


Asbury Park School district spends about $39,000 per pupil and is one of the worst school districts in the state

If Paste Eater Charter Academy for Advanced Teabagger Studies can efficiently educate students at 8K a year in Asbury Park, they would say the tax payers of new jersey countless millions of dollars. And Paste Eater Charter Academy for Advance Teabagger Studies would have a big incentive to demonstrate that liberal education policies have been over the past 4 decades have been nothing but a giant government failure.

Paste Eater Charter Academy for Advanced Teabagger Studies would sound like filet mignon compared to the Asbury Park School's Turd Sandwich

Why continue with failed schools when we could give the students and parents who want something better, a choice and a chance?
 
2013-08-03 12:18:08 AM

dantheman195: Why continue with failed schools when we could give the students and parents who want something better, a choice and a chance?


Because no one believes that the Republicans in power are actually offering a choice or a chance. At best it's a subsidy for the wealthy to send their kinds to private school, at worst it's a backdoor to get public money into private hands.
Did you not see where they don't even require background checks or college degrees to teach in charter schools? What kind of educational standards are you expecting out of that?
 
2013-08-03 12:41:18 AM

Job Creator: dantheman195: organizmx: Xetal: $40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!

Because they have no teachers union.

They'll cut their own budgets, then ask the federal government for help.

That federal money will come from New Jersey tax payers, who already pay high property taxes to support their own well paid teachers and high mediocre performing schools. (fixed that for you)

So we'll basically end up supporting both states.

/we should be two countries

New Jersey has some of the worse performing districts in the country and are the most expensive ones too. Newark school districts has almost a 1 Billion Dollar a year school budget. You don't get what you pay for in New Jersey

The reason property taxes are so high in the suburbs is because we are paying for both your local school district (corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration) and for the schools of the inner cities, their corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration, etc. So we get a double whammy, it is like getting kicked in the rear and in the balls at the same time. Get rid of the state Abbott districts, equalize funding across all districts based on enrollment through income taxes, instead of income taxes only going to the "poor" districts, get rid of or neutralize the teachers unions, state wide procurement of equipment, supplies, books and services. Allow vouchers across the board. Eliminate local school districts, boards, administrations, supervisors and regionalize by county or geographical area and we should be able to cut property taxes in this state by half, improve education and nail down corruption.

Regionalize schools?  I'm sure the fine people of Summit will be glad to send their children to Union County schools with kids from Plainfield and Elizabeth.  Likewise, the distinguished citizens of Cherry Hill would be proud to chip in to send their kids to sc ...


Just because the districts merge does not mean all the local schools get closed and they bus the kids to "one big school". That would be dumb and inefficient as having a bunch of small school districts. The regional district will be setting and implementing educational standards, purchasing all needed supplies, services and equipment for all the schools in bulk bidding, oversee maintenance schedules, hire/fire/payroll, conduct public school board meetings, etc. The local, community schools will still have a school principal and the necessary teachers and staff. What you won't find in the local community schools are Superintendents, business administrators, book keepers, IT Directors, Building and grounds directors, reading supervisors, math supervisors, and their entourages.

Regionalization brings other benefits that a bunch of small school districts can't offer. The communities could organize their high schools by academic goals, for example have a high school that focuses on college bound students, another on vocational skills and trades, another on professional career bound, and so forth. Instead of 11th and 12th year (wasted years in my opinion) students could be taking freshman college credit courses or starting the path towards obtaining a electrical license.
 
2013-08-03 12:56:47 AM

Sergeant Grumbles: dantheman195: Why continue with failed schools when we could give the students and parents who want something better, a choice and a chance?

Because no one believes that the Republicans in power are actually offering a choice or a chance. At best it's a subsidy for the wealthy to send their kinds to private school, at worst it's a backdoor to get public money into private hands.
Did you not see where they don't even require background checks or college degrees to teach in charter schools? What kind of educational standards are you expecting out of that?


There are a lot easier ways to rob a school district than creating a "fake" charter school. Even a "fake" charter school is going to require paper work, structure, a building, staff, curriculum and so forth. Why do all that when you can just bid on school construction jobs and bilk the district with "overages"? Just research the School Construction Corp, that is a prime example of how one can steal a billion dollars undetected.
 
2013-08-03 03:32:58 AM

dantheman195: There are a lot easier ways to rob a school district than creating a "fake" charter school. Even a "fake" charter school is going to require paper work, structure, a building, staff, curriculum and so forth. Why do all that when you can just bid on school construction jobs and bilk the district with "overages"? Just research the School Construction Corp, that is a prime example of how one can steal a billion dollars undetected.


Your complete failure to address any of my concerns is noted.
 
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