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(The News & Observer (NC))   North Carolina cuts $117 million from their school budgets because of socalizim. Immediately turn to federal government for $30 million for education   (newsobserver.com) divider line 107
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2013-08-01 08:49:38 PM  

Apik0r0s: So, how long until the Carolinas bring back being able to own and use black people like farm machinery?


Well, you people have been asking for a jobs bill, haven't you??!!
 
2013-08-01 09:15:49 PM  

ongbok: Who the hell wants their kids to be taught by teachers with no qualifications and who haven't undergone a background check at the very least?  WTF?

So let me see. Now you can open a charter school and since you don't have to worry about having teachers with degrees or certificates, you can pay somebody $12/hr to teach. How much do the charter schools get per student? And how do you go about getting approved to start a charter school? Might move to NC if the money is right. Xeroxed text books for all.


Its all starting to make sense. Charter schools are starting to crop up in NC, not run by local groups of parents, but by for-profit companies.   One way to maximize profits is to pay your teachers even less than public school teachers make.

http://www.charlottemagazine.com/Charlotte-Magazine/October-2012/Get ti ng-Schooled/
 
2013-08-01 09:24:43 PM  

Apik0r0s: SevenizGud: Get rid of this overreach by government where it is involved in education AT ALL.

Outcome:
Federal spending on education: 0
State spending on Education: 0

Everyone happy - problem solved!

Everyone happy, just as in Idiocracy.


i1.ytimg.com

"There are plenty of North Carolinians out there living really kick ass lives. My wife was North Carolinian - she's a pilot now."
 
2013-08-01 09:40:11 PM  
So... what is the end game?

I get why they're defunding public schools. They want everyone attending them to test so poorly that they can point to them and say "SEE? SEE? GUBMINT DOESN'T WERK!!!" And at the same time, driving many fundies to homeschool their children will ensure a moron class that will always vote for Jeebus.

But what comes after that? NC children will continue to perform poorly - especially at charter schools where their "teachers" are little more than underpaid babysitters with PowerPoint slideshows. The students who attend them will be just like the homeschooled kids... uneducated, no social maturity, and no hope of getting anything more than entry-level unskilled jobs for their entire lives. There will be one or two charter schools that are exceptions to this... they'll be exclusively for rich kids. Those privileged schools will actually teach enough to get into college - where they'll party for four or five years, and their parents buy degrees and corporate titles for their favored sons.

Is the NC GOP really going to hitch the state's entire future on a return to the feudal system? Their endgame is really a handful of corporate nobles reigning over a state full of poor, uneducated peasants?
 
2013-08-01 09:46:17 PM  

clkeagle: So... what is the end game?

I get why they're defunding public schools. They want everyone attending them to test so poorly that they can point to them and say "SEE? SEE? GUBMINT DOESN'T WERK!!!" And at the same time, driving many fundies to homeschool their children will ensure a moron class that will always vote for Jeebus.

But what comes after that? NC children will continue to perform poorly - especially at charter schools where their "teachers" are little more than underpaid babysitters with PowerPoint slideshows. The students who attend them will be just like the homeschooled kids... uneducated, no social maturity, and no hope of getting anything more than entry-level unskilled jobs for their entire lives. There will be one or two charter schools that are exceptions to this... they'll be exclusively for rich kids. Those privileged schools will actually teach enough to get into college - where they'll party for four or five years, and their parents buy degrees and corporate titles for their favored sons.

Is the NC GOP really going to hitch the state's entire future on a return to the feudal system? Their endgame is really a handful of corporate nobles reigning over a state full of poor, uneducated peasants?


I said this in a few years ago when the GOP started all of this anti teacher and public schools stuff. They are trying to create two tiers of schools, one that your government voucher for education will cover the cost, and one that will cost 3 or 4 times as much as what the government gives you for a voucher. I guess you can tell what the government voucher will get you as far as schools go.
 
2013-08-01 10:30:11 PM  

vygramul: I love how the "capitalist" conservatives just love to abandon their principles when it comes to education.

You people are about as capitalist as Eugene Debs.


To be fair they're still capitalists when it's time to hire the football coach.
 
2013-08-01 10:51:54 PM  
The Republican party and right wing in the US want the people dumb as farking dirt, mainly due to the fact that by doing that, they'll buy into all of the complete bullshiat that they've been shoveling.  Why do you think that things like critical thinking have been taken almost completely out of schooling and replaced by endless tests?

So in the end, the right wing dismantling of our public school system makes plenty of sense.  When the average citizen is too goddamn dumb to figure out they're being lied to, it makes pulling the wool over their eyes so much easier.
 
2013-08-01 10:58:27 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: The Republican party and right wing in the US want the people dumb as farking dirt, mainly due to the fact that by doing that, they'll buy into all of the complete bullshiat that they've been shoveling.  Why do you think that things like critical thinking have been taken almost completely out of schooling and replaced by endless tests?

So in the end, the right wing dismantling of our public school system makes plenty of sense.  When the average citizen is too goddamn dumb to figure out they're being lied to, it makes pulling the wool over their eyes so much easier.


Yeah, I come to this conclusion as well. Easy to exploit people into taking out loans and debt they can't handle if they can't read the English the contract is written in or the do the math to know they are getting screwed.

Either that, or the GOP is deliberately pulling a false flag to get us to the point where we elect people who will actually get this country moving in the right direction.

/I think both are about as equally likely
 
2013-08-01 10:59:32 PM  

12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.


Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it?
 
2013-08-01 11:03:37 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: The Republican party and right wing in the US want the people dumb as farking dirt


Meanwhile the democrats want people as POOR as possible, so that their vote can be bought for a bottle of Mad Dog.
 
2013-08-01 11:10:18 PM  

SevenizGud: AurizenDarkstar: The Republican party and right wing in the US want the people dumb as farking dirt

Meanwhile the democrats want people as POOR as possible, so that their vote can be bought for a bottle of Mad Dog.


Funny, I've never heard a Democrat say "We'll never get the rich people."

/just doesn't work the same way, no matter how much you try to BSAB it
 
2013-08-01 11:10:36 PM  

SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it?


I'm sure you're in other threads complaining about how "those" parents aren't interested in their child's education.  I'll give you some credit though.  Somalia is doing just fine without government education.
 
2013-08-01 11:14:54 PM  

SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it?


This post perfectly illustrates why we need to invest more in education.
 
2013-08-01 11:15:42 PM  

SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it

So, do you have an explanation as to why the legislature doesnt want teachers to have college degrees or undergo background checks?


Anyone can send their kid to private school right now if they don't like the public school system. The NC changes are all about funneling public money to religious schools and for-profit companies donating to their reelection campaigns.
 
2013-08-01 11:24:45 PM  

SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it?


I see you've crawled back out from under your rock.  You would like us to believe that a since a sizable fraction of the populace would take exactly that approach it can't be a cause for concern because some rich fark would pay for a private education for his kids.  You really are as disgusting as ever.
 
2013-08-01 11:28:27 PM  

MadHatter500: SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it?

I see you've crawled back out from under your rock.  You would like us to believe that a since a sizable fraction of the populace would take exactly that approach it can't be a cause for concern because some rich fark would pay for a private education for his kids.  You really are as disgusting as ever.


He can't help it, he was educated in Oklahoma.
 
2013-08-01 11:42:44 PM  

Ashelth: Welcome to the world of basic scientific research. 7 years getting a phd then BAM post doc getting paid 38-43k and fighting for the chance to 10 years later get tenured for 70k/year.


They should have done the smart thing and got a BS in mining engineering.
 
2013-08-01 11:58:31 PM  
Does anybody else remember the old republican platform of investment in education is investment in the future? Does anybody else remember when we wanted all the poor kids to get the best educational opportunities because one poor kid might have an idea that changes the world? Does anybody else remember that all the founding fathers preached a good, free, public education so that even poor people could have upward mobility (a pillar of capitalism) and the ability to participate in a republican form of government? My gosh it must suck to be a teacher- and SevenisGud- we know they are lazy shiftless layabouts.
But by math a 1% raise on $40000 is $400 and if they work 36 weeks that is about $11 a week. You know Governor- you can keep the tax cut- I think somebody who has dedicated their life work to help children, to make children see they can do a little better than their parents- might just deserve $44 more a month.

Wow- our country is really starting to hate the idea of an educated populace and teachers earning a living. It is almost like we don't respect the people who take care of our children any more.
 
2013-08-02 12:21:29 AM  

SevenizGud: Get rid of this overreach by government where it is involved in education AT ALL.

Outcome:
Federal spending on education: 0
State spending on Education: 0

Everyone happy - problem solved!


Once upon a time I used to think you were sincere. 10/10 lifetime score, my friend.
 
2013-08-02 12:38:48 AM  

smellysocksnshoes: Does anybody else remember the old republican platform of investment in education is investment in the future? Does anybody else remember when we wanted all the poor kids to get the best educational opportunities because one poor kid might have an idea that changes the world? Does anybody else remember that all the founding fathers preached a good, free, public education so that even poor people could have upward mobility (a pillar of capitalism) and the ability to participate in a republican form of government? My gosh it must suck to be a teacher- and SevenisGud- we know they are lazy shiftless layabouts.
But by math a 1% raise on $40000 is $400 and if they work 36 weeks that is about $11 a week. You know Governor- you can keep the tax cut- I think somebody who has dedicated their life work to help children, to make children see they can do a little better than their parents- might just deserve $44 more a month.

Wow- our country is really starting to hate the idea of an educated populace and teachers earning a living. It is almost like we don't respect the people who take care of our children any more.


That was before the Evangelical Jews taught the Evangelical Christians that it is not about math, or fact, or reason - only about who has the loudest megaphone.
 
2013-08-02 12:43:44 AM  
where is all the money from the lotteries in NC that was supposed to go to education?

www.nc-educationlottery.org
 
2013-08-02 12:44:38 AM  

Mithiwithi: SevenizGud: Get rid of this overreach by government where it is involved in education AT ALL.

Outcome:
Federal spending on education: 0
State spending on Education: 0

Everyone happy - problem solved!

Once upon a time I used to think you were sincere. 10/10 lifetime score, my friend.


He did a good job in this thread, shat all over it in fact.

Trolls are like the kids running around on the beach kicking over sand castles the pausing to see if the kid building it starts to cry.
 
2013-08-02 12:47:43 AM  

plewis: The feds should say no.  fark'em.  They want to slash their education budget, fine.  Way to win that race to the bottom.


The feds should say no because the Declaration of Independence does not give the feds the authority to spend any money. In theory, all federal spending is unconstitutional.
 
2013-08-02 01:03:26 AM  
Just who are these idiots running these states, and who the fark voted them into power?

Somehow, someway the people have to stop putting up with this idiocy.
 
2013-08-02 01:58:34 AM  

clkeagle: So... what is the end game?

I get why they're defunding public schools. They want everyone attending them to test so poorly that they can point to them and say "SEE? SEE? GUBMINT DOESN'T WERK!!!" And at the same time, driving many fundies to homeschool their children will ensure a moron class that will always vote for Jeebus.

But what comes after that? NC children will continue to perform poorly - especially at charter schools where their "teachers" are little more than underpaid babysitters with PowerPoint slideshows. The students who attend them will be just like the homeschooled kids... uneducated, no social maturity, and no hope of getting anything more than entry-level unskilled jobs for their entire lives. There will be one or two charter schools that are exceptions to this... they'll be exclusively for rich kids. Those privileged schools will actually teach enough to get into college - where they'll party for four or five years, and their parents buy degrees and corporate titles for their favored sons.

Is the NC GOP really going to hitch the state's entire future on a return to the feudal system? Their endgame is really a handful of corporate nobles reigning over a state full of poor, uneducated peasants?


You're giving these people WAY too much credit. As I stated earlier, I work in a public school in SD, the lowest paying state in the nation. People around here STILL biatch that teachers are overpaid. I've sat and listened to these people. It's not some grand conspiracy to make people dumber. I hear a few different things, depending on the individual.

1.) I went to school in a one-room schoolhouse with a single teacher who made $0.35/week, and I turned out just fine. Things are (or should be) exactly the same as they were in 1930, so there is no reason these schools need to spend so much of MY tax money!! (Do NOT ask these people how much money they get from the federal government in farm subsidies and/or social security. That's different - they DESERVE that money, dammit!!!!!)

2.) I've gotten MY education and my kids are all out of school now, so why the hell should I pay taxes to educate other people's kids???

3.) I dropped out of school in the eighth grade and dig holes for a living, and I don't make as much as these lazy teachers who only work 9 months a year and get to be inside all of the time! If I can get by on $8/hr., a teacher with a bachelor or master's degree should be able to as well!

It basically boils down to greed and/or envy. I don't want to pay taxes, and/or I don't want anybody else to make more money than I do, especially some fancy-pants college boy who doesn't even do any actual work. I sat in the bar one night and listened to a guy who owns several sections of land worth millions of dollars and who collects well over $100,000 in payments from the federal government every year for doing nothing piss and moan about how high his taxes are and how the school spends money "like drunken sailors" because the new teacher they hired was going to make $28,000. This was just a few years ago. You can't argue with people like that, you'll hurt yourself.
 
2013-08-02 02:40:48 AM  

wjmorris3: The feds should say no because the Declaration of Independence does not give the feds the authority to spend any money. In theory, all federal spending is unconstitutional.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-02 03:14:17 AM  

Apik0r0s: That was before the Evangelical Jews taught the Evangelical Christians that it is not about math, or fact, or reason - only about who has the loudest megaphone.


There is no such thing as an Evangelical Jew.
 
2013-08-02 05:56:34 AM  
I have several friends that are teachers back in Florida. The fact that they are anti-union tea party members somehow strikes me as odd, because they basically oppose themselves. How does that even work?
 
2013-08-02 06:38:45 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Apik0r0s: That was before the Evangelical Jews taught the Evangelical Christians that it is not about math, or fact, or reason - only about who has the loudest megaphone.

There is no such thing as an Evangelical Jew.


Oh yes there is.
 
2013-08-02 06:45:29 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: where is all the money from the lotteries in NC that was supposed to go to education?

[www.nc-educationlottery.org image 640x480]


Oh, it's still there!  It's just all the other funding sources being drained.  Sadly, that's exactly what the AM radio folks said would happen - they were just convinced a different political party was going to do it.
 
2013-08-02 06:55:02 AM  

rabidarmadillo24: I have several friends that are teachers back in Florida. The fact that they are anti-union tea party members somehow strikes me as odd, because they basically oppose themselves. How does that even work?


One of my friends worked for the State of Wisconsin in the IT department. He worked with several Tea Party, pro Walker people. Even after those people were laid off, they were still Tea Party pro Walker people.It is just a sickness.
 
2013-08-02 07:44:03 AM  

clkeagle: Is the NC GOP really going to hitch the state's entire future on a return to the feudal system? Their endgame is really a handful of corporate nobles reigning over a state full of poor, uneducated peasants?


Sounds like a Randian paradise in the eyes of the GOP.

/"Atlas Shrugged" is not an instruction book, people.
 
2013-08-02 07:59:15 AM  

Evil High Priest: SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.

But they don't like public education. They'd be happy with none at all. Homeschooleratin' fer evryone!


Fine.  Withhold *All* national accredtaion from any homeschooler in NC.  "Kollidge"?  We dont need no fancy book larnin'".  Because Jeebus.
 
2013-08-02 08:12:47 AM  

rabidarmadillo24: I have several friends that are teachers back in Florida. The fact that they are anti-union tea party members somehow strikes me as odd, because they basically oppose themselves. How does that even work?


I used to see a car in an FDA employee parking lot with "RON PAUL" stickers all over it.  As memory serves, RON PAUL was all about disestablishing the EPA.... and the FDA.
 
2013-08-02 08:24:17 AM  
Will be fun when none of their kids get degrees because they can't pass freshman English comp or algebra.

/wonders what the unintended consequence of that will be
 
2013-08-02 08:30:04 AM  

Peki: Will be fun when none of their kids get degrees because they can't pass freshman English comp or algebra.

/wonders what the unintended consequence of that will be


Or any 100 level science classes
 
2013-08-02 08:34:19 AM  

ongbok: Peki: Will be fun when none of their kids get degrees because they can't pass freshman English comp or algebra.

/wonders what the unintended consequence of that will be

Or any 100 level science classes


I thought of that after I posted. Physical anthropology would be downright entertaining.
 
2013-08-02 08:57:13 AM  

rabidarmadillo24: I have several friends that are teachers back in Florida. The fact that they are anti-union tea party members somehow strikes me as odd, because they basically oppose themselves. How does that even work?


My wife is a teacher in Florida. They hate thier union because teachers have not gotten a raise of any kind in 6 years, meanwhile the union head makes over 100k a year.
 
2013-08-02 08:58:18 AM  

hiker9999: Evil High Priest: SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.

But they don't like public education. They'd be happy with none at all. Homeschooleratin' fer evryone!

Fine.  Withhold *All* national accredtaion from any homeschooler in NC.  "Kollidge"?  We dont need no fancy book larnin'".  Because Jeebus.


Are home-school curricula nationally accredited as opposed to regionally accredited?  That would explain quite a bit.  Places like University of Phoenix and ITT Tech tend to be nationally accredited because the regional organizations have higher standards.

/wasn't it Cobb County in GA that got its accreditation revoked by SACS a few years ago?
 
2013-08-02 09:06:10 AM  

UNC_Samurai: hiker9999: Evil High Priest: SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.

But they don't like public education. They'd be happy with none at all. Homeschooleratin' fer evryone!

Fine.  Withhold *All* national accredtaion from any homeschooler in NC.  "Kollidge"?  We dont need no fancy book larnin'".  Because Jeebus.

Are home-school curricula nationally accredited as opposed to regionally accredited?  That would explain quite a bit.  Places like University of Phoenix and ITT Tech tend to be nationally accredited because the regional organizations have higher standards.

/wasn't it Cobb County in GA that got its accreditation revoked by SACS a few years ago?


I believe so....
 
2013-08-02 09:36:47 AM  
In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.
 
2013-08-02 10:31:41 AM  

cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.


Or they could get a voucher and send their kids to a better private school.

Oh wait, we can't do that because it would take the corrupt connected people (like unions and contractors) out of the loop, oh darn, screw you kids!
 
2013-08-02 10:34:31 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: where is all the money from the lotteries in NC that was supposed to go to education?

[www.nc-educationlottery.org image 640x480]


Lol, that is what they told you

School systems are just a method that connected people use to steal from
 
2013-08-02 10:48:20 AM  

organizmx: Xetal: $40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!

Because they have no teachers union.

They'll cut their own budgets, then ask the federal government for help.

That federal money will come from New Jersey tax payers, who already pay high property taxes to support their own well paid teachers and high mediocre performing schools. (fixed that for you)

So we'll basically end up supporting both states.

/we should be two countries


New Jersey has some of the worse performing districts in the country and are the most expensive ones too. Newark school districts has almost a 1 Billion Dollar a year school budget. You don't get what you pay for in New Jersey

The reason property taxes are so high in the suburbs is because we are paying for both your local school district (corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration) and for the schools of the inner cities, their corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration, etc. So we get a double whammy, it is like getting kicked in the rear and in the balls at the same time. Get rid of the state Abbott districts, equalize funding across all districts based on enrollment through income taxes, instead of income taxes only going to the "poor" districts, get rid of or neutralize the teachers unions, state wide procurement of equipment, supplies, books and services. Allow vouchers across the board. Eliminate local school districts, boards, administrations, supervisors and regionalize by county or geographical area and we should be able to cut property taxes in this state by half, improve education and nail down corruption.
 
2013-08-02 11:11:53 AM  

cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.


In NC the worst school districts are in poor rural areas; the major metro areas in NC have the best school systems, largely because those areas are populated with people with higher education, higher incomes, and higher property values.  The state funds about 3/4 of the per-pupil spending for school districts on average, and the rest is made up with property taxes, and in the case of Chapel Hill/Carrboro, an extra property tax of .18%.  This implies that areas with higher property values are able to offset the low state spending, so that in Chapel Hill again, state spending makes up about half of the funding.
 
2013-08-02 11:21:59 AM  

dantheman195: cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.

Or they could get a voucher and send their kids to a better private school.

Oh wait, we can't do that because it would take the corrupt connected people (like unions and contractors) out of the loop, oh darn, screw you kids!


Great!  Here's a voucher for the $8,000, equal to the amount of money a public school would use to educate your children.  But the "good" charter school costs $20,000!  Uh oh!  Fortunately Paste Eater Charter Academy for Advanced Teabagger Studies only charges $8k, but that is in the neighborhood with  those people.
 
2013-08-02 11:26:31 AM  

dantheman195: New Jersey has some of the worse performing districts in the country and are the most expensive ones too. Newark school districts has almost a 1 Billion Dollar a year school budget. You don't get what you pay for in New Jersey


NJ's big problem is corruption and incompetence in the land procurement and building of schools.
 
2013-08-02 11:42:11 AM  

dantheman195: organizmx: Xetal: $40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!

Because they have no teachers union.

They'll cut their own budgets, then ask the federal government for help.

That federal money will come from New Jersey tax payers, who already pay high property taxes to support their own well paid teachers and high mediocre performing schools. (fixed that for you)

So we'll basically end up supporting both states.

/we should be two countries

New Jersey has some of the worse performing districts in the country and are the most expensive ones too. Newark school districts has almost a 1 Billion Dollar a year school budget. You don't get what you pay for in New Jersey

The reason property taxes are so high in the suburbs is because we are paying for both your local school district (corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration) and for the schools of the inner cities, their corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration, etc. So we get a double whammy, it is like getting kicked in the rear and in the balls at the same time. Get rid of the state Abbott districts, equalize funding across all districts based on enrollment through income taxes, instead of income taxes only going to the "poor" districts, get rid of or neutralize the teachers unions, state wide procurement of equipment, supplies, books and services. Allow vouchers across the board. Eliminate local school districts, boards, administrations, supervisors and regionalize by county or geographical area and we should be able to cut property taxes in this state by half, improve education and nail down corruption.


Regionalize schools?  I'm sure the fine people of Summit will be glad to send their children to Union County schools with kids from Plainfield and Elizabeth.  Likewise, the distinguished citizens of Cherry Hill would be proud to chip in to send their kids to schools with kids from Camden.

/simplistic solution is simplistic
 
2013-08-02 11:43:28 AM  

dantheman195: organizmx: Xetal: $40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!

Because they have no teachers union.

They'll cut their own budgets, then ask the federal government for help.

That federal money will come from New Jersey tax payers, who already pay high property taxes to support their own well paid teachers and high mediocre performing schools. (fixed that for you)

So we'll basically end up supporting both states.

/we should be two countries

New Jersey has some of the worse performing districts in the country and are the most expensive ones too. Newark school districts has almost a 1 Billion Dollar a year school budget. You don't get what you pay for in New Jersey



By the way you do understand that the "Newark School District" has been run by the state for almost a generation, right?
 
2013-08-02 12:13:31 PM  

qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008.


After their new voting laws, they'll never elect a Democrat again.
 
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