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(The News & Observer (NC))   North Carolina cuts $117 million from their school budgets because of socalizim. Immediately turn to federal government for $30 million for education   (newsobserver.com) divider line 107
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2013-08-01 04:07:53 PM  
NC is giving it's neighbor to the north (my state) a run for it's money for derpiest state. Here we just have a corrupt Governor (and family), a kooky Cuccinelli who wants to be Governor, an anti-gay and anti-woman statehouse, and state sponsored rape via transvaginal wands. Lately NC has been trying to top us. We must fend them off!
 
2013-08-01 04:30:20 PM  
Way to make me proud, NC.
 
2013-08-01 05:12:54 PM  
Which state will be the first to get rid of all public schools, yet still require attendance? It'll make the lucky charter school company very rich, much like the health insurance companies.
 
2013-08-01 05:28:23 PM  
Sigh.
 
2013-08-01 05:29:31 PM  
FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.
 
2013-08-01 05:33:08 PM  
Generally, teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years of experience. Teachers who earned master's degrees could reach $40,000 after 10 years, but the new state budget eliminates that pay boost.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Yep, clearly overpaid leeches on society - I can't imagine why the place isnt simply swamped with eager, highly educated people willing to throw themselves on the sword of profits and lower taxes for businesses.
 
2013-08-01 05:36:42 PM  
Teachers who earned master's degrees could reach $40,000 after 10 years

Why the fark would you get a master's degree for a job that pays less then $40,000.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink
 
2013-08-01 05:37:24 PM  

Walker: NC is giving it's neighbor to the north (my state) a run for it's money for derpiest state. Here we just have a corrupt Governor (and family), a kooky Cuccinelli who wants to be Governor, an anti-gay and anti-woman statehouse, and state sponsored rape via transvaginal wands. Lately NC has been trying to top us. We must fend them off!


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

We Kansans look down at you from the top of Derp Mountain and laugh. When you gaze long into Brownback, Brownback also gazes into you.
 
2013-08-01 05:38:06 PM  
That's like evil warlord shiat. Roll into town, steal everyone's food, then have the survivors compete for scraps for your own amusement.
 
2013-08-01 05:38:35 PM  
It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?
 
2013-08-01 05:39:54 PM  

MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Yeah I have a buddy that has a Masters degree and is a teacher in NC. He is paid jack and shiat. Some of the crap I hear about the school system back there makes me shudder.
 
2013-08-01 05:43:45 PM  

qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?


Off-year elections and old white people happened.
 
2013-08-01 05:44:14 PM  
$40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!
 
2013-08-01 05:49:19 PM  

qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?


They just didn't vote in the same numbers in 2010 as they did in 2008. As a result, NC GOP gains both houses of the state legislature (complete with veto-proof majority) and eventually the governor's office. And now, they're herpin' and derpin' as if there was no tomorrow, seemingly for no purpose except sticking it to the libs and/or punishing the people who, in 2008, voted for a ni...

...a bigger threat to America than Al Qaeda, the USSR, the Nazis and Skeletor combined.
 
2013-08-01 05:52:45 PM  

themindiswatching: Which state will be the first to get rid of all public schools, yet still require attendance? It'll make the lucky charter school company very rich, much like the health insurance companies.


That's the whole GOP deal - if the government is spending money on something, a private business MUST take a cut. Even if there's no benefit to the taxpayer.

qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?


Gerrymandering.
 
2013-08-01 05:55:30 PM  

MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.


WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.
 
2013-08-01 06:01:47 PM  

SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.


But they don't like public education. They'd be happy with none at all. Homeschooleratin' fer evryone!
 
2013-08-01 06:03:48 PM  

MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.


My daughter is in what's been called the best school system in NC, Chapel Hill, where we voted ourselves extra taxes that increases the school budget by about 50%.  You know where you can find teachers after work?  Serving up coffee as a barista or moonlighting at the Apple store, the greed bastards.

Not only that, but the legislature made significant changes to charter schools:

* Charter school teachers no longer need a teaching certificate or a college degree.
* Charter schools do not have to run background checks before hiring teachers

Who the hell wants their kids to be taught by teachers with no qualifications and who haven't undergone a background check at the very least?  WTF?
 
2013-08-01 06:10:50 PM  
Liberal teachers always want to preach how the federal government solves all problems. The Feds might as well fund the brainwashing.
/glad to see the talking point of "someone working 9 months a year is grossed underpaid" is covered
 
2013-08-01 06:13:10 PM  

czei: Who the hell wants their kids to be taught by teachers with no qualifications and who haven't undergone a background check at the very least? WTF?


images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-08-01 06:18:58 PM  
The feds should say no.  fark'em.  They want to slash their education budget, fine.  Way to win that race to the bottom.
 
2013-08-01 06:20:47 PM  

DubyaHater: /glad to see the talking point of "someone working 9 months a year is grossed underpaid" is covered


You get what you pay for.  And teachers work a lot of days when students aren't in the classroom.
 
2013-08-01 06:21:49 PM  

Evil High Priest: SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.

But they don't like public education. They'd be happy with none at all. Homeschooleratin' fer evryone!


Very true, but I want some folks to call their hand.  Let the shiat play out for a decade or so.  All decent teachers leave the state immediately.  Let's fill the schools with amateurs & TFA program interns.  Let's watch what they thought were shiatty outcomes get even shiattier.  I WANT someone to finally show what will happen if the GOP gets it's way in regards to education so we can be done with that bullshiat permanently.
 
2013-08-01 06:26:03 PM  
My sister is a teacher in North Carolina, so she's not getting a kick out of this.  In fact, she was one of the teachers who went to protest in Raleigh.  She lives with our parents because she can't afford to support herself on the paycheck that she gets every month, because she's got $83,000 in student loan debt to pay off.

So suffice to say, these asshole legislators can kiss my lily white ass.
 
2013-08-01 06:26:38 PM  

themindiswatching: Which state will be the first to get rid of all public schools, yet still require attendance? It'll make the lucky charter school company very rich, much like the health insurance companies.


Probably Ohio; their governor just recently defunded their public education system, in fact. Don't know how they are handling that.
 
2013-08-01 06:31:50 PM  

SubBass49: Very true, but I want some folks to call their hand.  Let the shiat play out for a decade or so.  All decent teachers leave the state immediately.  Let's fill the schools with amateurs & TFA program interns.  Let's watch what they thought were shiatty outcomes get even shiattier.  I WANT someone to finally show what will happen if the GOP gets it's way in regards to education so we can be done with that bullshiat permanently.


It wouldn't work though. Not enough people have the attention span and critical thinking skills to see such a causation long term. By the time a generation of moronic troglodytes comes through, they'll just be blaming all the problems an education desert caused on minorities or television or whatever.
 
2013-08-01 06:32:25 PM  

King Something: qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?

They just didn't vote in the same numbers in 2010 as they did in 2008. As a result, NC GOP gains both houses of the state legislature (complete with veto-proof majority) and eventually the governor's office. And now, they're herpin' and derpin' as if there was no tomorrow, seemingly for no purpose except sticking it to the libs and/or punishing the people who, in 2008, voted for a ni...




The 2010 election was the usual small percentage of voters turning out, and the conservatives ran a well funded, anti Obama, anti Democrat campaign at all levels of state government. They also promised they'd turn around the state's economy if they were elected.

The Republicans gained a strong majority in both state houses that year, but not quite a veto proof majority. The state elected a Democrat governor that year too, so they had to behave themselves or she would veto their bills. One thing she couldn't stop though, was the legislature gerrymandering the state and Congressional districts. With that done, the 2012 election ended up in a landslide for conservatives, giving them a dominating majority everywhere. That's when they started with their true agenda, overturning everything they could find to turn this state into a conservative hellhole.

Oh and we're still waiting for those jobs they promised us.
 
2013-08-01 06:34:27 PM  

qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?


Wouldn't you?
 
2013-08-01 06:35:59 PM  

SubBass49: Evil High Priest: SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.

But they don't like public education. They'd be happy with none at all. Homeschooleratin' fer evryone!

Very true, but I want some folks to call their hand.  Let the shiat play out for a decade or so.  All decent teachers leave the state immediately.  Let's fill the schools with amateurs & TFA program interns.  Let's watch what they thought were shiatty outcomes get even shiattier.  I WANT someone to finally show what will happen if the GOP gets it's way in regards to education so we can be done with that bullshiat permanently.


Aren't we seeing that happen already in Wisconsin?

No matter how bad you make things, you can never, ever, be conservative enough.
 
2013-08-01 06:37:43 PM  

plewis: The feds should say no.  fark'em.  They want to slash their education budget, fine.  Way to win that race to the bottom.

. Well, if Obama hadn't done the whole 'Race to the Top' thing, the GOP wouldn't have been forced to race to the bottom. Obama forced their hand in this.
 
2013-08-01 06:38:30 PM  
But if we pay teachers a decent wage, we'll attract  people who aren't called to teach!
 
2013-08-01 06:42:05 PM  

SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.


But at that salary they will be getting some of those sweet tax cuts.
 
2013-08-01 06:43:25 PM  
So, how long until the Carolinas bring back being able to own and use black people like farm machinery?
 
2013-08-01 06:44:10 PM  
I love how the "capitalist" conservatives just love to abandon their principles when it comes to education.

You people are about as capitalist as Eugene Debs.
 
2013-08-01 06:57:58 PM  

Xetal: $40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!


Because they have no teachers union.

They'll cut their own budgets, then ask the federal government for help.

That federal money will come from New Jersey tax payers, who already pay high property taxes to support their own well paid teachers and high performing schools.

So we'll basically end up supporting both states.

/we should be two countries
 
2013-08-01 07:04:46 PM  

Apik0r0s: So, how long until the Carolinas bring back being able to own and use black people like farm machinery?


Next week.  Right after women are disenfranchised.
 
2013-08-01 07:17:21 PM  

Walker: NC is giving it's neighbor to the north (my state) a run for it's money for derpiest state. Here we just have a corrupt Governor (and family), a kooky Cuccinelli who wants to be Governor, an anti-gay and anti-woman statehouse, and state sponsored rape via transvaginal wands. Lately NC has been trying to top us. We must fend them off!


Fark that. There are enough Cuccinelli and Obenshain signs in my part of Prince William County already, don't encourage them to crank up the derp.

/Near the Loudoun County line... technically Haymarket, but closer to Aldie.
 
2013-08-01 07:18:43 PM  

SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.


There are 10 states with lower average teacher salary than NC. I work in a public school in SD. We're dead last in the nation at $7,000/yr. lower than NC. I have an engineering degree and have worked here for 13 years, and I make just over $40k as the IT director.
 
2013-08-01 07:19:30 PM  

qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?


Redistricting happened.
 
2013-08-01 07:20:33 PM  

Xetal: $40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!


Come to WV. I work for the state AG Dept. MS in entomology and have been there since '99. Gross at $37,600.

Bennies aren't bad, tho'. And the cost of living isn't too high.
 
2013-08-01 07:23:00 PM  

SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.




I think that's already happened...
 
2013-08-01 07:25:59 PM  

HempHead: SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.



I think that's already happened...


Yeah, and my coont of an ex-wife moved our kid INTO the state. Nice to know that I have no choice in whether or not my daughter is raised a farking moron.
 
2013-08-01 07:38:09 PM  
Get rid of this overreach by government where it is involved in education AT ALL.

Outcome:
Federal spending on education: 0
State spending on Education: 0

Everyone happy - problem solved!
 
2013-08-01 07:45:05 PM  

Bendal: King Something: qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008. What changed since then? Did all the Democrats move away, or something?

They just didn't vote in the same numbers in 2010 as they did in 2008. As a result, NC GOP gains both houses of the state legislature (complete with veto-proof majority) and eventually the governor's office. And now, they're herpin' and derpin' as if there was no tomorrow, seemingly for no purpose except sticking it to the libs and/or punishing the people who, in 2008, voted for a ni...

The 2010 election was the usual small percentage of voters turning out, and the conservatives ran a well funded, anti Obama, anti Democrat campaign at all levels of state government. They also promised they'd turn around the state's economy if they were elected.

The Republicans gained a strong majority in both state houses that year, but not quite a veto proof majority. The state elected a Democrat governor that year too, so they had to behave themselves or she would veto their bills. One thing she couldn't stop though, was the legislature gerrymandering the state and Congressional districts. With that done, the 2012 election ended up in a landslide for conservatives, giving them a dominating majority everywhere. That's when they started with their true agenda, overturning everything they could find to turn this state into a conservative hellhole.

Oh and we're still waiting for those jobs they promised us.


Bev Purdue was elected in '08, not in 2010.  But her administration was a bit of a shiatshow; it didn't help that her predecessor was grossly incompetent except when he was ridiculously corrupt, but she didn't do a whole lot to fix the state's woes.  But she had a "D" by her name, and 2010 saw the first Republican majority in both halves of the General Assembly since Reconstruction.  And not just Republicans - the teatards backed up by Dick Army and the Koch Brothers' money, and right-wing media's lies.  And when she tried to stem the tide of their bullshiat, she couldn't do it.  She didn't even TRY to veto the bill Time-Warner paid for which banned municipal broadband (something that might have made the state VERY attractive to tech companies), she only put up a token resistance to their derpy 2011-12 budget, and she decided she wasn't going to run for re-election in January, after McCrory had several months' time to build a campaign.  As a result, there was no one to really run against the Republicans for the governor's office.

She REALLY hurt the Democrats down-ballot, and may have cost Obama a few dozen thousand votes (although I'm not sure if a competent candidate on the ballot would have resulted in the turnout necessary to keep NC from scoring for Rmoney).  Now, thanks to a combination of her ineptitude, years of Mike Sleazley's corruption, and the easily lied- and pandered-to mouth-breathers in rural parts of the state, we've got a steaming pile of garbage between Jones and Lane Streets.

/and FARK YOU to all of you wankstains that voted for Amendment One.  This is not the farking 19th century!
 
2013-08-01 07:45:08 PM  

SevenizGud: Get rid of this overreach by government where it is involved in education AT ALL.

Outcome:
Federal spending on education: 0
State spending on Education: 0

Everyone happy - problem solved!


Everyone happy, just as in Idiocracy.
 
2013-08-01 08:01:56 PM  

SevenizGud: Get rid of this overreach by government where it is involved in education AT ALL.

Outcome:
Federal spending on education: 0
State spending on Education: 0

Everyone happy - problem solved!


Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.
 
2013-08-01 08:23:29 PM  
Who the fark needs to know how to read or do maths these days anyway.
 
2013-08-01 08:28:54 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Teachers who earned master's degrees could reach $40,000 after 10 years

Why the fark would you get a master's degree for a job that pays less then $40,000.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink


Welcome to the world of basic scientific research.  7 years getting a phd then BAM post doc getting paid 38-43k and fighting for the chance to 10 years later get tenured for 70k/year.
 
2013-08-01 08:32:21 PM  

HempHead: SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.

I think that's already happened...


There are still a few of us here, for...reasons. Believe me, though - I'm getting the hell out at soon as it's feasible.
 
2013-08-01 08:43:01 PM  

czei: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

My daughter is in what's been called the best school system in NC, Chapel Hill, where we voted ourselves extra taxes that increases the school budget by about 50%.  You know where you can find teachers after work?  Serving up coffee as a barista or moonlighting at the Apple store, the greed bastards.

Not only that, but the legislature made significant changes to charter schools:

* Charter school teachers no longer need a teaching certificate or a college degree.
* Charter schools do not have to run background checks before hiring teachers

Who the hell wants their kids to be taught by teachers with no qualifications and who haven't undergone a background check at the very least?  WTF?


So let me see. Now you can open a charter school and since you don't have to worry about having teachers with degrees or certificates, you can pay somebody $12/hr to teach. How much do the charter schools get per student? And how do you go about getting approved to start a charter school? Might move to NC if the money is right. Xeroxed text books for all.
 
2013-08-01 08:49:38 PM  

Apik0r0s: So, how long until the Carolinas bring back being able to own and use black people like farm machinery?


Well, you people have been asking for a jobs bill, haven't you??!!
 
2013-08-01 09:15:49 PM  

ongbok: Who the hell wants their kids to be taught by teachers with no qualifications and who haven't undergone a background check at the very least?  WTF?

So let me see. Now you can open a charter school and since you don't have to worry about having teachers with degrees or certificates, you can pay somebody $12/hr to teach. How much do the charter schools get per student? And how do you go about getting approved to start a charter school? Might move to NC if the money is right. Xeroxed text books for all.


Its all starting to make sense. Charter schools are starting to crop up in NC, not run by local groups of parents, but by for-profit companies.   One way to maximize profits is to pay your teachers even less than public school teachers make.

http://www.charlottemagazine.com/Charlotte-Magazine/October-2012/Get ti ng-Schooled/
 
2013-08-01 09:24:43 PM  

Apik0r0s: SevenizGud: Get rid of this overreach by government where it is involved in education AT ALL.

Outcome:
Federal spending on education: 0
State spending on Education: 0

Everyone happy - problem solved!

Everyone happy, just as in Idiocracy.


i1.ytimg.com

"There are plenty of North Carolinians out there living really kick ass lives. My wife was North Carolinian - she's a pilot now."
 
2013-08-01 09:40:11 PM  
So... what is the end game?

I get why they're defunding public schools. They want everyone attending them to test so poorly that they can point to them and say "SEE? SEE? GUBMINT DOESN'T WERK!!!" And at the same time, driving many fundies to homeschool their children will ensure a moron class that will always vote for Jeebus.

But what comes after that? NC children will continue to perform poorly - especially at charter schools where their "teachers" are little more than underpaid babysitters with PowerPoint slideshows. The students who attend them will be just like the homeschooled kids... uneducated, no social maturity, and no hope of getting anything more than entry-level unskilled jobs for their entire lives. There will be one or two charter schools that are exceptions to this... they'll be exclusively for rich kids. Those privileged schools will actually teach enough to get into college - where they'll party for four or five years, and their parents buy degrees and corporate titles for their favored sons.

Is the NC GOP really going to hitch the state's entire future on a return to the feudal system? Their endgame is really a handful of corporate nobles reigning over a state full of poor, uneducated peasants?
 
2013-08-01 09:46:17 PM  

clkeagle: So... what is the end game?

I get why they're defunding public schools. They want everyone attending them to test so poorly that they can point to them and say "SEE? SEE? GUBMINT DOESN'T WERK!!!" And at the same time, driving many fundies to homeschool their children will ensure a moron class that will always vote for Jeebus.

But what comes after that? NC children will continue to perform poorly - especially at charter schools where their "teachers" are little more than underpaid babysitters with PowerPoint slideshows. The students who attend them will be just like the homeschooled kids... uneducated, no social maturity, and no hope of getting anything more than entry-level unskilled jobs for their entire lives. There will be one or two charter schools that are exceptions to this... they'll be exclusively for rich kids. Those privileged schools will actually teach enough to get into college - where they'll party for four or five years, and their parents buy degrees and corporate titles for their favored sons.

Is the NC GOP really going to hitch the state's entire future on a return to the feudal system? Their endgame is really a handful of corporate nobles reigning over a state full of poor, uneducated peasants?


I said this in a few years ago when the GOP started all of this anti teacher and public schools stuff. They are trying to create two tiers of schools, one that your government voucher for education will cover the cost, and one that will cost 3 or 4 times as much as what the government gives you for a voucher. I guess you can tell what the government voucher will get you as far as schools go.
 
2013-08-01 10:30:11 PM  

vygramul: I love how the "capitalist" conservatives just love to abandon their principles when it comes to education.

You people are about as capitalist as Eugene Debs.


To be fair they're still capitalists when it's time to hire the football coach.
 
2013-08-01 10:51:54 PM  
The Republican party and right wing in the US want the people dumb as farking dirt, mainly due to the fact that by doing that, they'll buy into all of the complete bullshiat that they've been shoveling.  Why do you think that things like critical thinking have been taken almost completely out of schooling and replaced by endless tests?

So in the end, the right wing dismantling of our public school system makes plenty of sense.  When the average citizen is too goddamn dumb to figure out they're being lied to, it makes pulling the wool over their eyes so much easier.
 
2013-08-01 10:58:27 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: The Republican party and right wing in the US want the people dumb as farking dirt, mainly due to the fact that by doing that, they'll buy into all of the complete bullshiat that they've been shoveling.  Why do you think that things like critical thinking have been taken almost completely out of schooling and replaced by endless tests?

So in the end, the right wing dismantling of our public school system makes plenty of sense.  When the average citizen is too goddamn dumb to figure out they're being lied to, it makes pulling the wool over their eyes so much easier.


Yeah, I come to this conclusion as well. Easy to exploit people into taking out loans and debt they can't handle if they can't read the English the contract is written in or the do the math to know they are getting screwed.

Either that, or the GOP is deliberately pulling a false flag to get us to the point where we elect people who will actually get this country moving in the right direction.

/I think both are about as equally likely
 
2013-08-01 10:59:32 PM  

12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.


Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it?
 
2013-08-01 11:03:37 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: The Republican party and right wing in the US want the people dumb as farking dirt


Meanwhile the democrats want people as POOR as possible, so that their vote can be bought for a bottle of Mad Dog.
 
2013-08-01 11:10:18 PM  

SevenizGud: AurizenDarkstar: The Republican party and right wing in the US want the people dumb as farking dirt

Meanwhile the democrats want people as POOR as possible, so that their vote can be bought for a bottle of Mad Dog.


Funny, I've never heard a Democrat say "We'll never get the rich people."

/just doesn't work the same way, no matter how much you try to BSAB it
 
2013-08-01 11:10:36 PM  

SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it?


I'm sure you're in other threads complaining about how "those" parents aren't interested in their child's education.  I'll give you some credit though.  Somalia is doing just fine without government education.
 
2013-08-01 11:14:54 PM  

SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it?


This post perfectly illustrates why we need to invest more in education.
 
2013-08-01 11:15:42 PM  

SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it

So, do you have an explanation as to why the legislature doesnt want teachers to have college degrees or undergo background checks?


Anyone can send their kid to private school right now if they don't like the public school system. The NC changes are all about funneling public money to religious schools and for-profit companies donating to their reelection campaigns.
 
2013-08-01 11:24:45 PM  

SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it?


I see you've crawled back out from under your rock.  You would like us to believe that a since a sizable fraction of the populace would take exactly that approach it can't be a cause for concern because some rich fark would pay for a private education for his kids.  You really are as disgusting as ever.
 
2013-08-01 11:28:27 PM  

MadHatter500: SevenizGud: 12349876: Until you get old and sick and no one can care for you because they're all dumb.

Yeah, because nobody would ever pursue an education withOUT gubmint being involved, right? I mean, all parents everywhere would just look at their kid and say, "well, Jimmy, it looks like a grade zero education for you", and then do nothing about their child's education.

This place really is an MSNBC echo chamber, isn't it?

I see you've crawled back out from under your rock.  You would like us to believe that a since a sizable fraction of the populace would take exactly that approach it can't be a cause for concern because some rich fark would pay for a private education for his kids.  You really are as disgusting as ever.


He can't help it, he was educated in Oklahoma.
 
2013-08-01 11:42:44 PM  

Ashelth: Welcome to the world of basic scientific research. 7 years getting a phd then BAM post doc getting paid 38-43k and fighting for the chance to 10 years later get tenured for 70k/year.


They should have done the smart thing and got a BS in mining engineering.
 
2013-08-01 11:58:31 PM  
Does anybody else remember the old republican platform of investment in education is investment in the future? Does anybody else remember when we wanted all the poor kids to get the best educational opportunities because one poor kid might have an idea that changes the world? Does anybody else remember that all the founding fathers preached a good, free, public education so that even poor people could have upward mobility (a pillar of capitalism) and the ability to participate in a republican form of government? My gosh it must suck to be a teacher- and SevenisGud- we know they are lazy shiftless layabouts.
But by math a 1% raise on $40000 is $400 and if they work 36 weeks that is about $11 a week. You know Governor- you can keep the tax cut- I think somebody who has dedicated their life work to help children, to make children see they can do a little better than their parents- might just deserve $44 more a month.

Wow- our country is really starting to hate the idea of an educated populace and teachers earning a living. It is almost like we don't respect the people who take care of our children any more.
 
2013-08-02 12:21:29 AM  

SevenizGud: Get rid of this overreach by government where it is involved in education AT ALL.

Outcome:
Federal spending on education: 0
State spending on Education: 0

Everyone happy - problem solved!


Once upon a time I used to think you were sincere. 10/10 lifetime score, my friend.
 
2013-08-02 12:38:48 AM  

smellysocksnshoes: Does anybody else remember the old republican platform of investment in education is investment in the future? Does anybody else remember when we wanted all the poor kids to get the best educational opportunities because one poor kid might have an idea that changes the world? Does anybody else remember that all the founding fathers preached a good, free, public education so that even poor people could have upward mobility (a pillar of capitalism) and the ability to participate in a republican form of government? My gosh it must suck to be a teacher- and SevenisGud- we know they are lazy shiftless layabouts.
But by math a 1% raise on $40000 is $400 and if they work 36 weeks that is about $11 a week. You know Governor- you can keep the tax cut- I think somebody who has dedicated their life work to help children, to make children see they can do a little better than their parents- might just deserve $44 more a month.

Wow- our country is really starting to hate the idea of an educated populace and teachers earning a living. It is almost like we don't respect the people who take care of our children any more.


That was before the Evangelical Jews taught the Evangelical Christians that it is not about math, or fact, or reason - only about who has the loudest megaphone.
 
2013-08-02 12:43:44 AM  
where is all the money from the lotteries in NC that was supposed to go to education?

www.nc-educationlottery.org
 
2013-08-02 12:44:38 AM  

Mithiwithi: SevenizGud: Get rid of this overreach by government where it is involved in education AT ALL.

Outcome:
Federal spending on education: 0
State spending on Education: 0

Everyone happy - problem solved!

Once upon a time I used to think you were sincere. 10/10 lifetime score, my friend.


He did a good job in this thread, shat all over it in fact.

Trolls are like the kids running around on the beach kicking over sand castles the pausing to see if the kid building it starts to cry.
 
2013-08-02 12:47:43 AM  

plewis: The feds should say no.  fark'em.  They want to slash their education budget, fine.  Way to win that race to the bottom.


The feds should say no because the Declaration of Independence does not give the feds the authority to spend any money. In theory, all federal spending is unconstitutional.
 
2013-08-02 01:03:26 AM  
Just who are these idiots running these states, and who the fark voted them into power?

Somehow, someway the people have to stop putting up with this idiocy.
 
2013-08-02 01:58:34 AM  

clkeagle: So... what is the end game?

I get why they're defunding public schools. They want everyone attending them to test so poorly that they can point to them and say "SEE? SEE? GUBMINT DOESN'T WERK!!!" And at the same time, driving many fundies to homeschool their children will ensure a moron class that will always vote for Jeebus.

But what comes after that? NC children will continue to perform poorly - especially at charter schools where their "teachers" are little more than underpaid babysitters with PowerPoint slideshows. The students who attend them will be just like the homeschooled kids... uneducated, no social maturity, and no hope of getting anything more than entry-level unskilled jobs for their entire lives. There will be one or two charter schools that are exceptions to this... they'll be exclusively for rich kids. Those privileged schools will actually teach enough to get into college - where they'll party for four or five years, and their parents buy degrees and corporate titles for their favored sons.

Is the NC GOP really going to hitch the state's entire future on a return to the feudal system? Their endgame is really a handful of corporate nobles reigning over a state full of poor, uneducated peasants?


You're giving these people WAY too much credit. As I stated earlier, I work in a public school in SD, the lowest paying state in the nation. People around here STILL biatch that teachers are overpaid. I've sat and listened to these people. It's not some grand conspiracy to make people dumber. I hear a few different things, depending on the individual.

1.) I went to school in a one-room schoolhouse with a single teacher who made $0.35/week, and I turned out just fine. Things are (or should be) exactly the same as they were in 1930, so there is no reason these schools need to spend so much of MY tax money!! (Do NOT ask these people how much money they get from the federal government in farm subsidies and/or social security. That's different - they DESERVE that money, dammit!!!!!)

2.) I've gotten MY education and my kids are all out of school now, so why the hell should I pay taxes to educate other people's kids???

3.) I dropped out of school in the eighth grade and dig holes for a living, and I don't make as much as these lazy teachers who only work 9 months a year and get to be inside all of the time! If I can get by on $8/hr., a teacher with a bachelor or master's degree should be able to as well!

It basically boils down to greed and/or envy. I don't want to pay taxes, and/or I don't want anybody else to make more money than I do, especially some fancy-pants college boy who doesn't even do any actual work. I sat in the bar one night and listened to a guy who owns several sections of land worth millions of dollars and who collects well over $100,000 in payments from the federal government every year for doing nothing piss and moan about how high his taxes are and how the school spends money "like drunken sailors" because the new teacher they hired was going to make $28,000. This was just a few years ago. You can't argue with people like that, you'll hurt yourself.
 
2013-08-02 02:40:48 AM  

wjmorris3: The feds should say no because the Declaration of Independence does not give the feds the authority to spend any money. In theory, all federal spending is unconstitutional.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-02 03:14:17 AM  

Apik0r0s: That was before the Evangelical Jews taught the Evangelical Christians that it is not about math, or fact, or reason - only about who has the loudest megaphone.


There is no such thing as an Evangelical Jew.
 
2013-08-02 05:56:34 AM  
I have several friends that are teachers back in Florida. The fact that they are anti-union tea party members somehow strikes me as odd, because they basically oppose themselves. How does that even work?
 
2013-08-02 06:38:45 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Apik0r0s: That was before the Evangelical Jews taught the Evangelical Christians that it is not about math, or fact, or reason - only about who has the loudest megaphone.

There is no such thing as an Evangelical Jew.


Oh yes there is.
 
2013-08-02 06:45:29 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: where is all the money from the lotteries in NC that was supposed to go to education?

[www.nc-educationlottery.org image 640x480]


Oh, it's still there!  It's just all the other funding sources being drained.  Sadly, that's exactly what the AM radio folks said would happen - they were just convinced a different political party was going to do it.
 
2013-08-02 06:55:02 AM  

rabidarmadillo24: I have several friends that are teachers back in Florida. The fact that they are anti-union tea party members somehow strikes me as odd, because they basically oppose themselves. How does that even work?


One of my friends worked for the State of Wisconsin in the IT department. He worked with several Tea Party, pro Walker people. Even after those people were laid off, they were still Tea Party pro Walker people.It is just a sickness.
 
2013-08-02 07:44:03 AM  

clkeagle: Is the NC GOP really going to hitch the state's entire future on a return to the feudal system? Their endgame is really a handful of corporate nobles reigning over a state full of poor, uneducated peasants?


Sounds like a Randian paradise in the eyes of the GOP.

/"Atlas Shrugged" is not an instruction book, people.
 
2013-08-02 07:59:15 AM  

Evil High Priest: SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.

But they don't like public education. They'd be happy with none at all. Homeschooleratin' fer evryone!


Fine.  Withhold *All* national accredtaion from any homeschooler in NC.  "Kollidge"?  We dont need no fancy book larnin'".  Because Jeebus.
 
2013-08-02 08:12:47 AM  

rabidarmadillo24: I have several friends that are teachers back in Florida. The fact that they are anti-union tea party members somehow strikes me as odd, because they basically oppose themselves. How does that even work?


I used to see a car in an FDA employee parking lot with "RON PAUL" stickers all over it.  As memory serves, RON PAUL was all about disestablishing the EPA.... and the FDA.
 
2013-08-02 08:24:17 AM  
Will be fun when none of their kids get degrees because they can't pass freshman English comp or algebra.

/wonders what the unintended consequence of that will be
 
2013-08-02 08:30:04 AM  

Peki: Will be fun when none of their kids get degrees because they can't pass freshman English comp or algebra.

/wonders what the unintended consequence of that will be


Or any 100 level science classes
 
2013-08-02 08:34:19 AM  

ongbok: Peki: Will be fun when none of their kids get degrees because they can't pass freshman English comp or algebra.

/wonders what the unintended consequence of that will be

Or any 100 level science classes


I thought of that after I posted. Physical anthropology would be downright entertaining.
 
2013-08-02 08:57:13 AM  

rabidarmadillo24: I have several friends that are teachers back in Florida. The fact that they are anti-union tea party members somehow strikes me as odd, because they basically oppose themselves. How does that even work?


My wife is a teacher in Florida. They hate thier union because teachers have not gotten a raise of any kind in 6 years, meanwhile the union head makes over 100k a year.
 
2013-08-02 08:58:18 AM  

hiker9999: Evil High Priest: SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.

But they don't like public education. They'd be happy with none at all. Homeschooleratin' fer evryone!

Fine.  Withhold *All* national accredtaion from any homeschooler in NC.  "Kollidge"?  We dont need no fancy book larnin'".  Because Jeebus.


Are home-school curricula nationally accredited as opposed to regionally accredited?  That would explain quite a bit.  Places like University of Phoenix and ITT Tech tend to be nationally accredited because the regional organizations have higher standards.

/wasn't it Cobb County in GA that got its accreditation revoked by SACS a few years ago?
 
2013-08-02 09:06:10 AM  

UNC_Samurai: hiker9999: Evil High Priest: SubBass49: MSFT: FTA:
teachers with bachelor's degrees reach $40,000 salaries after 15 years


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/01/3075005/mccrory-backs-nc-schoo l s-spending.html#storylink=cpy
Wow.

WTF?  Damn...I'd be homeless if I was paid that poorly here in Southern California.  Of course, I'm about 12 years deep into my teaching career, with a masters degree, and am making about $57,000 (which isn't very good given the cost-of-living here).  But damn...$40,000 after 15 years?  Fark that.

I hope every decent teacher moves out of that state ASAP.  Let's play out this little GOP game of chicken and see who wins.

But they don't like public education. They'd be happy with none at all. Homeschooleratin' fer evryone!

Fine.  Withhold *All* national accredtaion from any homeschooler in NC.  "Kollidge"?  We dont need no fancy book larnin'".  Because Jeebus.

Are home-school curricula nationally accredited as opposed to regionally accredited?  That would explain quite a bit.  Places like University of Phoenix and ITT Tech tend to be nationally accredited because the regional organizations have higher standards.

/wasn't it Cobb County in GA that got its accreditation revoked by SACS a few years ago?


I believe so....
 
2013-08-02 09:36:47 AM  
In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.
 
2013-08-02 10:31:41 AM  

cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.


Or they could get a voucher and send their kids to a better private school.

Oh wait, we can't do that because it would take the corrupt connected people (like unions and contractors) out of the loop, oh darn, screw you kids!
 
2013-08-02 10:34:31 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: where is all the money from the lotteries in NC that was supposed to go to education?

[www.nc-educationlottery.org image 640x480]


Lol, that is what they told you

School systems are just a method that connected people use to steal from
 
2013-08-02 10:48:20 AM  

organizmx: Xetal: $40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!

Because they have no teachers union.

They'll cut their own budgets, then ask the federal government for help.

That federal money will come from New Jersey tax payers, who already pay high property taxes to support their own well paid teachers and high mediocre performing schools. (fixed that for you)

So we'll basically end up supporting both states.

/we should be two countries


New Jersey has some of the worse performing districts in the country and are the most expensive ones too. Newark school districts has almost a 1 Billion Dollar a year school budget. You don't get what you pay for in New Jersey

The reason property taxes are so high in the suburbs is because we are paying for both your local school district (corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration) and for the schools of the inner cities, their corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration, etc. So we get a double whammy, it is like getting kicked in the rear and in the balls at the same time. Get rid of the state Abbott districts, equalize funding across all districts based on enrollment through income taxes, instead of income taxes only going to the "poor" districts, get rid of or neutralize the teachers unions, state wide procurement of equipment, supplies, books and services. Allow vouchers across the board. Eliminate local school districts, boards, administrations, supervisors and regionalize by county or geographical area and we should be able to cut property taxes in this state by half, improve education and nail down corruption.
 
2013-08-02 11:11:53 AM  

cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.


In NC the worst school districts are in poor rural areas; the major metro areas in NC have the best school systems, largely because those areas are populated with people with higher education, higher incomes, and higher property values.  The state funds about 3/4 of the per-pupil spending for school districts on average, and the rest is made up with property taxes, and in the case of Chapel Hill/Carrboro, an extra property tax of .18%.  This implies that areas with higher property values are able to offset the low state spending, so that in Chapel Hill again, state spending makes up about half of the funding.
 
2013-08-02 11:21:59 AM  

dantheman195: cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.

Or they could get a voucher and send their kids to a better private school.

Oh wait, we can't do that because it would take the corrupt connected people (like unions and contractors) out of the loop, oh darn, screw you kids!


Great!  Here's a voucher for the $8,000, equal to the amount of money a public school would use to educate your children.  But the "good" charter school costs $20,000!  Uh oh!  Fortunately Paste Eater Charter Academy for Advanced Teabagger Studies only charges $8k, but that is in the neighborhood with  those people.
 
2013-08-02 11:26:31 AM  

dantheman195: New Jersey has some of the worse performing districts in the country and are the most expensive ones too. Newark school districts has almost a 1 Billion Dollar a year school budget. You don't get what you pay for in New Jersey


NJ's big problem is corruption and incompetence in the land procurement and building of schools.
 
2013-08-02 11:42:11 AM  

dantheman195: organizmx: Xetal: $40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!

Because they have no teachers union.

They'll cut their own budgets, then ask the federal government for help.

That federal money will come from New Jersey tax payers, who already pay high property taxes to support their own well paid teachers and high mediocre performing schools. (fixed that for you)

So we'll basically end up supporting both states.

/we should be two countries

New Jersey has some of the worse performing districts in the country and are the most expensive ones too. Newark school districts has almost a 1 Billion Dollar a year school budget. You don't get what you pay for in New Jersey

The reason property taxes are so high in the suburbs is because we are paying for both your local school district (corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration) and for the schools of the inner cities, their corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration, etc. So we get a double whammy, it is like getting kicked in the rear and in the balls at the same time. Get rid of the state Abbott districts, equalize funding across all districts based on enrollment through income taxes, instead of income taxes only going to the "poor" districts, get rid of or neutralize the teachers unions, state wide procurement of equipment, supplies, books and services. Allow vouchers across the board. Eliminate local school districts, boards, administrations, supervisors and regionalize by county or geographical area and we should be able to cut property taxes in this state by half, improve education and nail down corruption.


Regionalize schools?  I'm sure the fine people of Summit will be glad to send their children to Union County schools with kids from Plainfield and Elizabeth.  Likewise, the distinguished citizens of Cherry Hill would be proud to chip in to send their kids to schools with kids from Camden.

/simplistic solution is simplistic
 
2013-08-02 11:43:28 AM  

dantheman195: organizmx: Xetal: $40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!

Because they have no teachers union.

They'll cut their own budgets, then ask the federal government for help.

That federal money will come from New Jersey tax payers, who already pay high property taxes to support their own well paid teachers and high mediocre performing schools. (fixed that for you)

So we'll basically end up supporting both states.

/we should be two countries

New Jersey has some of the worse performing districts in the country and are the most expensive ones too. Newark school districts has almost a 1 Billion Dollar a year school budget. You don't get what you pay for in New Jersey



By the way you do understand that the "Newark School District" has been run by the state for almost a generation, right?
 
2013-08-02 12:13:31 PM  

qorkfiend: It's hard to believe this state went for Obama in 2008.


After their new voting laws, they'll never elect a Democrat again.
 
2013-08-02 12:30:04 PM  

dantheman195: cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.

Or they could get a voucher and send their kids to a better private school.

Oh wait, we can't do that because it would take the corrupt connected people (like unions and contractors) out of the loop, oh darn, screw you kids!


I see you have no farking clue about education in North Carolina.

We WISH we had a halfway decent teachers' union in this state.  Maybe if they had any collective bargaining powers, they wouldn't be losing their "tenure" in this new budget - "tenure" in this case meaning "we have to have a hearing before we fire you".

And private schools are never going to be the answer - all vouchers do is let people with just enough money escape a system that's being grossly neglected, while only making worse for the folks that can't afford to send their kids to private school even with the voucher, assuming the rural areas will even sniff a private school.
 
2013-08-02 12:56:47 PM  

UNC_Samurai: And private schools are never going to be the answer - all vouchers do is let people with just enough money escape a system that's being grossly neglected, while only making worse for the folks that can't afford to send their kids to private school even with the voucher, assuming the rural areas will even sniff a private school.


The elite schools will just raise the price beyond the voucher to keep out the riff raff, and the rest of the schools will be very hit or miss because many will be more concerned about profit and/or religious indoctrination than education, and they will struggle just as much as public schools with parental motivation (they have a leg up here when it's voluntary by only getting those motivated enough to do it, that goes away if it were mandatory) and getting good employees in shiatty locations.
 
2013-08-03 12:01:59 AM  

Job Creator: dantheman195: cefm: In areas with truly terrible education systems (think major metropolitan areas) you see a massive flight of families with children as soon as they can afford to get out because they're absolutely terrified of sending their kids to shiatty school.  The parents will suck up a horrible commute and higher housing costs just to offer their kids a better opportunity.

What I don't understand is how North Carolinians can't figure this out - they are driving away their own residents.  If I was a NC parent with a kid about to enter school I'd be thinking very strongly about finding another place to live.

Or they could get a voucher and send their kids to a better private school.

Oh wait, we can't do that because it would take the corrupt connected people (like unions and contractors) out of the loop, oh darn, screw you kids!

Great!  Here's a voucher for the $8,000, equal to the amount of money a public school would use to educate your children.  But the "good" charter school costs $20,000!  Uh oh!  Fortunately Paste Eater Charter Academy for Advanced Teabagger Studies only charges $8k, but that is in the neighborhood with  those people.


Asbury Park School district spends about $39,000 per pupil and is one of the worst school districts in the state

If Paste Eater Charter Academy for Advanced Teabagger Studies can efficiently educate students at 8K a year in Asbury Park, they would say the tax payers of new jersey countless millions of dollars. And Paste Eater Charter Academy for Advance Teabagger Studies would have a big incentive to demonstrate that liberal education policies have been over the past 4 decades have been nothing but a giant government failure.

Paste Eater Charter Academy for Advanced Teabagger Studies would sound like filet mignon compared to the Asbury Park School's Turd Sandwich

Why continue with failed schools when we could give the students and parents who want something better, a choice and a chance?
 
2013-08-03 12:18:08 AM  

dantheman195: Why continue with failed schools when we could give the students and parents who want something better, a choice and a chance?


Because no one believes that the Republicans in power are actually offering a choice or a chance. At best it's a subsidy for the wealthy to send their kinds to private school, at worst it's a backdoor to get public money into private hands.
Did you not see where they don't even require background checks or college degrees to teach in charter schools? What kind of educational standards are you expecting out of that?
 
2013-08-03 12:41:18 AM  

Job Creator: dantheman195: organizmx: Xetal: $40,000 after 15 years experience with a Bachelor's degree or 10 years with a Master's degree? That is pathetic... No wonder they''re having problems!

Because they have no teachers union.

They'll cut their own budgets, then ask the federal government for help.

That federal money will come from New Jersey tax payers, who already pay high property taxes to support their own well paid teachers and high mediocre performing schools. (fixed that for you)

So we'll basically end up supporting both states.

/we should be two countries

New Jersey has some of the worse performing districts in the country and are the most expensive ones too. Newark school districts has almost a 1 Billion Dollar a year school budget. You don't get what you pay for in New Jersey

The reason property taxes are so high in the suburbs is because we are paying for both your local school district (corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration) and for the schools of the inner cities, their corrupt unions, contractors, board members, administration, etc. So we get a double whammy, it is like getting kicked in the rear and in the balls at the same time. Get rid of the state Abbott districts, equalize funding across all districts based on enrollment through income taxes, instead of income taxes only going to the "poor" districts, get rid of or neutralize the teachers unions, state wide procurement of equipment, supplies, books and services. Allow vouchers across the board. Eliminate local school districts, boards, administrations, supervisors and regionalize by county or geographical area and we should be able to cut property taxes in this state by half, improve education and nail down corruption.

Regionalize schools?  I'm sure the fine people of Summit will be glad to send their children to Union County schools with kids from Plainfield and Elizabeth.  Likewise, the distinguished citizens of Cherry Hill would be proud to chip in to send their kids to sc ...


Just because the districts merge does not mean all the local schools get closed and they bus the kids to "one big school". That would be dumb and inefficient as having a bunch of small school districts. The regional district will be setting and implementing educational standards, purchasing all needed supplies, services and equipment for all the schools in bulk bidding, oversee maintenance schedules, hire/fire/payroll, conduct public school board meetings, etc. The local, community schools will still have a school principal and the necessary teachers and staff. What you won't find in the local community schools are Superintendents, business administrators, book keepers, IT Directors, Building and grounds directors, reading supervisors, math supervisors, and their entourages.

Regionalization brings other benefits that a bunch of small school districts can't offer. The communities could organize their high schools by academic goals, for example have a high school that focuses on college bound students, another on vocational skills and trades, another on professional career bound, and so forth. Instead of 11th and 12th year (wasted years in my opinion) students could be taking freshman college credit courses or starting the path towards obtaining a electrical license.
 
2013-08-03 12:56:47 AM  

Sergeant Grumbles: dantheman195: Why continue with failed schools when we could give the students and parents who want something better, a choice and a chance?

Because no one believes that the Republicans in power are actually offering a choice or a chance. At best it's a subsidy for the wealthy to send their kinds to private school, at worst it's a backdoor to get public money into private hands.
Did you not see where they don't even require background checks or college degrees to teach in charter schools? What kind of educational standards are you expecting out of that?


There are a lot easier ways to rob a school district than creating a "fake" charter school. Even a "fake" charter school is going to require paper work, structure, a building, staff, curriculum and so forth. Why do all that when you can just bid on school construction jobs and bilk the district with "overages"? Just research the School Construction Corp, that is a prime example of how one can steal a billion dollars undetected.
 
2013-08-03 03:32:58 AM  

dantheman195: There are a lot easier ways to rob a school district than creating a "fake" charter school. Even a "fake" charter school is going to require paper work, structure, a building, staff, curriculum and so forth. Why do all that when you can just bid on school construction jobs and bilk the district with "overages"? Just research the School Construction Corp, that is a prime example of how one can steal a billion dollars undetected.


Your complete failure to address any of my concerns is noted.
 
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