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(Opposing Views)   Judge who sold kids into juvenile facilities over minor offenses is now complaining that the prison sentence given to him was excessive   (opposingviews.com) divider line 65
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2013-08-01 12:49:02 PM  
9 votes:
I concur with the judge's complaint. I believe that he should receive no prison time at all, and that instead he should be beaten so severely that his face is unrecognizable even to his closest family members, and then he should be put on public display as a warning to other corrupt government officials of what will happen should they decide to ruin lives for their own profit.
2013-08-01 10:32:25 AM  
8 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Wiki:
Ciavarella pleaded guilty on February 13, 2009, pursuant to a plea agreement, to federal charges of honest services fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion in connection with receiving $2.6 million in kickbacks from Robert Powell and Robert Mericle, the co-owner and builder respectively, of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities. In exchange for these kickbacks, Ciavarella sentenced children to extended stays in juvenile detention for offenses as minimal as mocking a principal on Myspace, trespassing in a vacant building, and shoplifting DVDs from Wal-mart.

Yeah, fark this guy.


BEHOLD THE WONDERS OF FOR PROFIT PRISONS
2013-08-01 01:16:47 PM  
4 votes:

Aarontology: eah, fark this guy.

BEHOLD THE WONDERS OF FOR PROFIT PRISONS



This is why prisons and healthcare should NOT be for-profit
2013-08-01 10:17:19 AM  
4 votes:
Wiki:
Ciavarella pleaded guilty on February 13, 2009, pursuant to a plea agreement, to federal charges of honest services fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion in connection with receiving $2.6 million in kickbacks from Robert Powell and Robert Mericle, the co-owner and builder respectively, of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities. In exchange for these kickbacks, Ciavarella sentenced children to extended stays in juvenile detention for offenses as minimal as mocking a principal on Myspace, trespassing in a vacant building, and shoplifting DVDs from Wal-mart.

Yeah, fark this guy.
2013-08-01 10:09:26 AM  
4 votes:
If we had a justice tag, that would work here as well.
2013-08-01 02:04:56 PM  
3 votes:

HAMMERTOE: I hate to be the guy who walks into the DMV and yells out, "These are the people you want running your healthcare?", but damn. Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise.


Um... No.

The US has the highest cost-per-citizen healthcare in the world, and that's even when including the tens of millions of our citizens that are not covered  Take the uninsured out of the equation and our per-person rates are even higher!  Every first-world country with nationalized healthcare has better outcomes than the US and pays far less per citizen.  In most cases, the programs are run by the government or not-for-profits with strict government oversight.

Here's the thing I guess a lot of people don't realize.  It's not "Government" that creates inefficiency at places like the DMV, it's bureaucracy.

Ever have to get an issue solved with Verizon? Comcast? A health insurance company?  They're no better or worse than the DMV.  They're the same.  Big bureaucracies are inefficient and suck.  There aren't a lot of ways to run a massive service without a massive bureaucracy.  We're stuck with them.

Based on experiences the world over, if we had nationalized healthcare like all the other first-world nations, our health care costs would plummet, and our outcomes would improve dramatically.
2013-08-01 10:33:49 AM  
3 votes:
The first night's the toughest, no doubt about it. They march you in naked as the day you're born, fresh from a Bible reading, skin burning and half-blind from that delousing shiat they throw on you... and when they put you in that cell, when those bars slam home, that's when you know it's for real. Old life blown away in the blink of an eye... a long cold season in hell stretching out ahead...nothing left but all the time in the world to think about it. Most new fish come close to madness the first night. Somebody always breaks down crying. Happens every time.
2013-08-01 10:31:43 AM  
3 votes:
Good.  Hope you get raped daily, you worthless piece of excrement.
2013-08-01 10:14:31 AM  
3 votes:
F*cking cry about it.
2013-08-01 03:41:26 PM  
2 votes:

kingoomieiii: This text is now purple: kingoomieiii: This judge got 28 years. Another judge involved got 17.

The guys who paid them to ruin lives are likely to get less than two each, plus fines. The only crimes they were charged with were failing to report a felony, lying to a grand jury, and tax evasion.

And I'm fine with that. The judges were the ones who abused their legal privileges. You can't blame the devil for everything sinners do.

When people are found guilty of soliciting murder-for-hire, they often do 5-10 years. Actually going through with the murder is usually life, or the death penalty.

By contrast, what they paid that judge to do put him away for almost three decades, and the guys get 18 months.

What really gets me is that the bribery wasn't even a crime, at least not one they were charged with. It became a crime when they successfully got the judge to commit a felony and then didn't report it. So, what, ATTEMPTING to bribe a judge isn't a crime? Because attempted bribery of police definitely is.


What about RICO? Charge one, charge 'em all for the same thing.
2013-08-01 03:40:45 PM  
2 votes:
Never have I wished the American prison system on someone more than I do now.
2013-08-01 02:19:39 PM  
2 votes:

HAMMERTOE: ltdanman44: This is why prisons and healthcare should NOT be for-profit

Prisons, I'm right there with you on, but Healthcare? I hate to be the guy who walks into the DMV and yells out, "These are the people you want running your healthcare?", but damn. Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise. Not to mention, you've got your cases of entrenchment, where pay is entirely divorced from performance. You know what they call the guy who graduates at the very bottom of his medical class? "Doctor." Now, compound that fact with the ponderous rate of service at your typical DMV, and the lack of accountability legislated into the current Law Enforcement model, and suddenly, you have doctors who take forever to give you the wrong treatment, and no recourse for you when your husband/ wife/ child dies.

The problem with the system is too many bureaucrats have entrenched their selves into it without adding any value whatsoever. Adding several layers of government bureaucrats can only serve to worsen it exponentially.


The NHS in the UK works quite well and costs well under half per capita of healthcare in the US.
2013-08-01 02:12:32 PM  
2 votes:

OtherLittleGuy: This guy is evil. Positively evil. There were a set of investigative articles in the Wilkes-Barre newspaper about the kids-to-jail controversy, before they knew it was a corrupt mpney-making gulag. It was along the lines of "gee, there's a lot of kids getting incarcerated for minor offenses. Maybe we're getting too much into sero tolerance".

He gave an article about how his parents were so strict but loving, and it was that sort of discipline that guided his decisions, so that kids could turn their lives around, because, gosh, he wished there was someone that that in his life when he was young.

This was, of course, while he was pocketing thousands per kid.

Like I said, evil. More evil than if he shot up a schoolroom of kids, because he farked up thousands of kids for money, and even now, shows no remorse.

/and yeah, he's getting off light


Again, between cops who hate libruls and authoritarian judges who take bribes to put innocent kids in jail there is zero reason to trust the legal system in Pennsylvania. Something is very, very wron in my state and I honestly don't know what I can do about it.
2013-08-01 02:10:24 PM  
2 votes:
Before I can fully enjoy this story, I need to know where he is doing his time. It needs to be max or supermax. No farking minimum security country club. This bastard sold children for cash. He needs max gen pop just the same as any other human trafficker.
2013-08-01 01:54:32 PM  
2 votes:
Hmm, this Judge would have gotten away with it if he wasn't so arrogant, the initial claims were dismissed and only came back up after the Judge got investigated for being a dick to co-workers.

It's probably still going on in other Courtrooms.
2013-08-01 01:32:03 PM  
2 votes:
Fine let him out and every kid that got one of his harsh sentences can hit him with a bat 10 times.
2013-08-01 01:30:00 PM  
2 votes:
What a dirt bag. They should sell all his assets and distribute the proceeds to his 4k victims. That way when he finally emerges from prison he will be destitute.

Considering he unjustly punished children for money, the loss of all his worldly assets would hit a guy like that hard.
2013-08-01 01:27:44 PM  
2 votes:
Even Ayan Rand knew private policing was wrong.
2013-08-01 01:16:29 PM  
2 votes:
Can I pay someone to make his sentence longer?
2013-08-01 01:15:25 PM  
2 votes:
If he thinks that's bad, wait till he gets to hell.
2013-08-01 04:16:55 PM  
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Wiki:
Ciavarella pleaded guilty on February 13, 2009, pursuant to a plea agreement, to federal charges of honest services fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion in connection with receiving $2.6 million in kickbacks from Robert Powell and Robert Mericle, the co-owner and builder respectively, of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities. In exchange for these kickbacks, Ciavarella sentenced children to extended stays in juvenile detention for offenses as minimal as mocking a principal on Myspace, trespassing in a vacant building, and shoplifting DVDs from Wal-mart.

Yeah, fark this guy.


Hopefully that's what his cellmate Bubba will do for the next 28 years.
2013-08-01 04:13:12 PM  
1 votes:
Have yourself some of that fine sodomy and gruel, ol' massa Ciavarella.  You c*nt
2013-08-01 04:11:15 PM  
1 votes:

ltdanman44: Post office is a mess, ill concede that. But i don't want the private sector charging a buck or more per stamp. I just don't buy the argument that the government is so much worse than the private sector that it shouldn't even be considered as an option. If there are problems in the system then lets make some changes to make it better.


The usual counterargument is that the USPS is required to deliver to everyone in the USA for the same rate; if you opened up the field to true private sector competition, private firms would cherry pick the profitable routes and ignore the rest.  And of course there would numerous services that would deliver only junk mail and not bother with picking up mail from residences at all.
2013-08-01 03:47:46 PM  
1 votes:

Dimensio: I concur with the judge's complaint. I believe that he should receive no prison time at all, and that instead he should be beaten so severely that his face is unrecognizable even to his closest family members, and then he should be put on public display as a warning to other corrupt government officials of what will happen should they decide to ruin lives for their own profit.


Approves...

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2013-08-01 03:26:57 PM  
1 votes:

yet_another_wumpus: Let's do the math. Castro imprisoned what, 4? for 20 years. This guy imprisoned 4000, and they were juveniles. Something tells me that oh high and mighty judge didn't have to plead guilty to avoid the death penalty. I fail to understand why he should have such an option.


No, Castro got "life in prison plus 1000 years, with no possibility of parole".

/sounds about right
2013-08-01 03:24:00 PM  
1 votes:

Dimensio: I concur with the judge's complaint. I believe that he should receive no prison time at all, and that instead he should be beaten so severely that his face is unrecognizable even to his closest family members, and then he should be put on public display as a warning to other corrupt government officials of what will happen should they decide to ruin lives for their own profit.


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2013-08-01 03:09:45 PM  
1 votes:
The dude ruined children's lives for money.  Justice would involve gallows.  He got off easy.
2013-08-01 03:07:24 PM  
1 votes:

IrateShadow: He's going to die in prison anyway, so I don't see the need for a longer stay. That said, I'm having a hard time coming up with a punishment that's severe enough to fit his crimes.


I think putting him in the general prison population would be a nice start.
2013-08-01 02:45:27 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: OtherLittleGuy: This guy is evil. Positively evil. There were a set of investigative articles in the Wilkes-Barre newspaper about the kids-to-jail controversy, before they knew it was a corrupt mpney-making gulag. It was along the lines of "gee, there's a lot of kids getting incarcerated for minor offenses. Maybe we're getting too much into sero tolerance".

He gave an article about how his parents were so strict but loving, and it was that sort of discipline that guided his decisions, so that kids could turn their lives around, because, gosh, he wished there was someone that that in his life when he was young.

This was, of course, while he was pocketing thousands per kid.

Like I said, evil. More evil than if he shot up a schoolroom of kids, because he farked up thousands of kids for money, and even now, shows no remorse.

/and yeah, he's getting off light

Again, between cops who hate libruls and authoritarian judges who take bribes to put innocent kids in jail there is zero reason to trust the legal system in Pennsylvania. Something is very, very wron in my state and I honestly don't know what I can do about it.


It's the same everywhere you go.

Cops need a good old fashioned uprising to put them back in their place. They serve the people, not the other way around.
2013-08-01 02:44:00 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: ltdanman44: This is why prisons and healthcare should NOT be for-profit

Prisons, I'm right there with you on, but Healthcare? I hate to be the guy who walks into the DMV and yells out, "These are the people you want running your healthcare?", but damn. Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise. Not to mention, you've got your cases of entrenchment, where pay is entirely divorced from performance. You know what they call the guy who graduates at the very bottom of his medical class? "Doctor." Now, compound that fact with the ponderous rate of service at your typical DMV, and the lack of accountability legislated into the current Law Enforcement model, and suddenly, you have doctors who take forever to give you the wrong treatment, and no recourse for you when your husband/ wife/ child dies.

The problem with the system is too many bureaucrats have entrenched their selves into it without adding any value whatsoever. Adding several layers of government bureaucrats can only serve to worsen it exponentially.


1 - I pay about the same in taxes as you. If there's a difference, it's negligible.

2 - I have access to literally unlimited health care, should I need it.

3 - There is less waste in our system than any for profit system in the world.

It doesn't even matter where I'm from. You are wrong. The big problem is that you aren't considering profit as a problem. That is money that should go into health care instead simply lines people's pockets. Long story short, you cannot have a for profit system that doesn't take away from actual healthcare delivered. That profit has to come from somewhere.
2013-08-01 02:37:44 PM  
1 votes:

RandomRandom: The US has the highest cost-per-citizen healthcare in the world, and that's even when including the tens of millions of our citizens that are not covered Take the uninsured out of the equation and our per-person rates are even higher! Every first-world country with nationalized healthcare has better outcomes than the US and pays far less per citizen. In most cases, the programs are run by the government or not-for-profits with strict government oversight.


What happens when you normalize for neonatal and end-of-life care? The US spends a huge amount on terminal disease treatment.
2013-08-01 02:25:52 PM  
1 votes:
 Oh the poor dear. I  should play him a song. Now where did that violin go? I'm always misplacing that thing, so very small ya know.
2013-08-01 02:17:44 PM  
1 votes:
Last week, a federal appeals court said it would not reconsider a decision upholding the ruling.

www.iruntheinternet.com
2013-08-01 02:16:09 PM  
1 votes:
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"Long arm of the law"
2013-08-01 02:15:51 PM  
1 votes:

BunkoSquad: The first night's the toughest, no doubt about it. They march you in naked as the day you're born, fresh from a Bible reading, skin burning and half-blind from that delousing shiat they throw on you... and when they put you in that cell, when those bars slam home, that's when you know it's for real. Old life blown away in the blink of an eye... a long cold season in hell stretching out ahead...nothing left but all the time in the world to think about it. Most new fish come close to madness the first night. Somebody always breaks down crying. Happens every time.


And the first words he hears are "So you're the MoFo who farked my little brother over. Welcome to Hell".
2013-08-01 02:07:13 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Private_Citizen: /I'll see your bureaucrat and raise you with CEOs, CIOs, CFOs, Pres, VPs, Board of directors and shareholders.

Exactly. You think government bureaucracies don't have those as well?


Show me any government official who makes 106million a year ( CEO of United Healthcare Stephen Hemsley 2009). Heck, add up any hundred government offiicals pay.

Then keep in mind Mr. Hemsley was One of many people at that company with epic pay.
2013-08-01 02:06:05 PM  
1 votes:
This guy is evil. Positively evil. There were a set of investigative articles in the Wilkes-Barre newspaper about the kids-to-jail controversy, before they knew it was a corrupt mpney-making gulag. It was along the lines of "gee, there's a lot of kids getting incarcerated for minor offenses. Maybe we're getting too much into sero tolerance".

He gave an article about how his parents were so strict but loving, and it was that sort of discipline that guided his decisions, so that kids could turn their lives around, because, gosh, he wished there was someone that that in his life when he was young.

This was, of course, while he was pocketing thousands per kid.

Like I said, evil. More evil than if he shot up a schoolroom of kids, because he farked up thousands of kids for money, and even now, shows no remorse.

/and yeah, he's getting off light
2013-08-01 02:00:16 PM  
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: HAMMERTOE: ltdanman44: This is why prisons and healthcare should NOT be for-profit

Prisons, I'm right there with you on, but Healthcare? I hate to be the guy who walks into the DMV and yells out, "These are the people you want running your healthcare?", but damn. Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise. Not to mention, you've got your cases of entrenchment, where pay is entirely divorced from performance. You know what they call the guy who graduates at the very bottom of his medical class? "Doctor." Now, compound that fact with the ponderous rate of service at your typical DMV, and the lack of accountability legislated into the current Law Enforcement model, and suddenly, you have doctors who take forever to give you the wrong treatment, and no recourse for you when your husband/ wife/ child dies.

The problem with the system is too many bureaucrats have entrenched their selves into it without adding any value whatsoever. Adding several layers of government bureaucrats can only serve to worsen it exponentially.

Not trying to buy into your threadjack, but medicare handles the oldest and the sickest, and does it for a fraction of the cost private insurers charge the young and healthy.

/I'll see your bureaucrat and raise you with CEOs, CIOs, CFOs, Pres, VPs, Board of directors and shareholders.


Also also, part of the reason this works is that everyone is part of the insurance pool.  Republicans suggested that there be an insurance requirement to help make the ACA more friendly to existing insurance companies as opposed to going single payer.  They hate this idea now.
2013-08-01 01:57:17 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise.


Canadians can do it, why can't you?

(PROTIP: Med system still free-market, but Med insurance is run by the govt.)
2013-08-01 01:55:47 PM  
1 votes:
I hope that none of the kids that he sent away are related in any way to any of his jailmates.
2013-08-01 01:55:43 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: ltdanman44: This is why prisons and healthcare should NOT be for-profit

Prisons, I'm right there with you on, but Healthcare? I hate to be the guy who walks into the DMV and yells out, "These are the people you want running your healthcare?", but damn. Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise. Not to mention, you've got your cases of entrenchment, where pay is entirely divorced from performance. You know what they call the guy who graduates at the very bottom of his medical class? "Doctor." Now, compound that fact with the ponderous rate of service at your typical DMV, and the lack of accountability legislated into the current Law Enforcement model, and suddenly, you have doctors who take forever to give you the wrong treatment, and no recourse for you when your husband/ wife/ child dies.

The problem with the system is too many bureaucrats have entrenched their selves into it without adding any value whatsoever. Adding several layers of government bureaucrats can only serve to worsen it exponentially.


Not trying to buy into your threadjack, but medicare handles the oldest and the sickest, and does it for a fraction of the cost private insurers charge the young and healthy.

/I'll see your bureaucrat and raise you with CEOs, CIOs, CFOs, Pres, VPs, Board of directors and shareholders.
2013-08-01 01:54:17 PM  
1 votes:
I see the two big mega prison corporations got off scott free
2013-08-01 01:51:17 PM  
1 votes:
one of those kids commited suicide. I hope they rot in hell.
2013-08-01 01:49:44 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: You know what they call the guy who graduates at the very bottom of his medical class? "Doctor."


That's a stupid argument, because no matter how high the standard is for medical school graduates, it'll always be true.
2013-08-01 01:48:15 PM  
1 votes:
That son of a biatch can rot in jail.
2013-08-01 01:47:18 PM  
1 votes:
This is amazing. I would have bet everything that he would get off the hook with a slap on the wrist.

I hope it's really hard for him. I'm sure it will be after leaving all that money.

No parole for federal prison either, right?
2013-08-01 01:43:54 PM  
1 votes:
Aarontology: F*cking cry about it.
2013-08-01 01:32:10 PM  
1 votes:
Shoot the ex-judge once in the back of each knee. Try not to hit an artery. After the wounds have healed, shoot him again in the back of each knee. Repeat ad infinitum.

(I'm feeling merciful today.)
2013-08-01 01:30:07 PM  
1 votes:
If i had my way this asshat would have gotten life with out parole.
2013-08-01 01:30:02 PM  
1 votes:
How is it that he received 2.6 million but was ordered to pay back 1 million?
2013-08-01 01:28:58 PM  
1 votes:
Karma can be a biatch.
2013-08-01 01:27:08 PM  
1 votes:
It should be at least 1 year for each year a juvenile served because of his fraud. I could see an argument for some higher multiple.
2013-08-01 01:25:00 PM  
1 votes:

vudukungfu: Fark this judge in the ass with a jackhammer for life.


FTA : Ciavarella filled the beds of juvenile detention centers with first-time offenders, convicts of minor-crimes and children as young as 10 years old.

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"I didnt want to do it. I felt I owed it to them."
2013-08-01 01:19:31 PM  
1 votes:

BunkoSquad: The first night's the toughest, no doubt about it. They march you in naked as the day you're born, fresh from a Bible reading, skin burning and half-blind from that delousing shiat they throw on you... and when they put you in that cell, when those bars slam home, that's when you know it's for real. Old life blown away in the blink of an eye... a long cold season in hell stretching out ahead...nothing left but all the time in the world to think about it. Most new fish come close to madness the first night. Somebody always breaks down crying. Happens every time.


You went to Jesus Camp, too?
2013-08-01 01:18:42 PM  
1 votes:
I seriously had to read that like 3 times before I believed/processed it. Jeebus. I love that he's still defiant too..."unjustly branded as the `Kids for Cash' judge". Motherfarker if that's the worst thing you're ever called get down on your knees and suck the prosecutor's dick in appreciation.
2013-08-01 01:14:45 PM  
1 votes:
Fark this judge in the ass with a jackhammer for life.
2013-08-01 12:49:01 PM  
1 votes:
can the appellate judge add time to the sentence? cuz that would be awesome
2013-08-01 12:27:38 PM  
1 votes:
It's a start.
2013-08-01 12:25:13 PM  
1 votes:

kingoomieiii: Nina Haagen Dazs: This is how we know he was given a proper sentence.

This judge got 28 years. Another judge involved got 17.

The guys who paid them to ruin lives are likely to get less than two each, plus fines. The only crimes they were charged with were failing to report a felony, lying to a grand jury, and tax evasion.

Apparently bribing a federal judge isn't a crime, but knowing about the bride and not going to the police is.


There's no greater sin in our culture than incarcerating Job CreatorsTM
2013-08-01 12:03:52 PM  
1 votes:
fark that guy.

Time to be served in general population in a juvie prison, and may dog have mercy on his soul.
2013-08-01 11:51:12 AM  
1 votes:
This whole mess happened in my home town.

If that dirtbag was smart, he'd want to stay in jail...much safer.
2013-08-01 11:17:22 AM  
1 votes:
If there's a contest for "saddest song played on world's tiniest violin", this is my entry.
2013-08-01 10:46:45 AM  
1 votes:
Tough shiat.
2013-08-01 10:42:01 AM  
1 votes:
This is how we know he was given a proper sentence.
2013-08-01 10:39:26 AM  
1 votes:
For once, the justice system is working.  Fark YOU, Judge.  You, and the Bobs, and the horses you all rode in on.
 
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