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(Opposing Views)   Judge who sold kids into juvenile facilities over minor offenses is now complaining that the prison sentence given to him was excessive   (opposingviews.com) divider line 153
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2013-08-01 01:36:04 PM  

Lord Schtupp: vudukungfu: Fark this judge in the ass with a jackhammer for life.


Good thing the USA is 110 volts.
 
2013-08-01 01:38:21 PM  

jayhawk88: I seriously had to read that like 3 times before I believed/processed it. Jeebus. I love that he's still defiant too..."unjustly branded as the `Kids for Cash' judge". Motherfarker if that's the worst thing you're ever called get down on your knees and suck the prosecutor's dick in appreciation.


I think his mouth is going very busy for the next 28 years.  Over a quarter century of sucking inmate dick will leave him little time to reward the DA.
 
2013-08-01 01:38:32 PM  

Intrepid00: Even Ayan Rand knew private policing was wrong.


I been Ayan Randed, nearly branded,
a communist 'cause i'm left handed,
if that's the hand you use... well never mind.

/can't help it.
 
2013-08-01 01:40:00 PM  
You can almost hear him being dragged off to jail yelling "wait I am rich &  white, this is not supposed to happen to me"
 
2013-08-01 01:40:31 PM  
1 year for each person he wrongfully incarcerated, so about 4000 years worth.
 
2013-08-01 01:41:02 PM  
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-01 01:41:17 PM  

IrateShadow: sdd2000: It should be at least 1 year for each year a juvenile served because of his fraud. I could see an argument for some higher multiple.

He's going to die in prison anyway, so I don't see the need for a longer stay.  That said, I'm having a hard time coming up with a punishment that's severe enough to fit his crimes.


Necklacing?
 
2013-08-01 01:43:54 PM  
Aarontology: F*cking cry about it.
 
2013-08-01 01:44:36 PM  

ltdanman44: This is why prisons and healthcare should NOT be for-profit


Prisons, I'm right there with you on, but Healthcare? I hate to be the guy who walks into the DMV and yells out, "These are the people you want running your healthcare?", but damn. Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise. Not to mention, you've got your cases of entrenchment, where pay is entirely divorced from performance. You know what they call the guy who graduates at the very bottom of his medical class? "Doctor." Now, compound that fact with the ponderous rate of service at your typical DMV, and the lack of accountability legislated into the current Law Enforcement model, and suddenly, you have doctors who take forever to give you the wrong treatment, and no recourse for you when your husband/ wife/ child dies.

The problem with the system is too many bureaucrats have entrenched their selves into it without adding any value whatsoever. Adding several layers of government bureaucrats can only serve to worsen it exponentially.
 
2013-08-01 01:46:20 PM  
Give home the Griffen treatment from Berserk.
 
2013-08-01 01:46:40 PM  
Life has a funny, funny way of sneaking up on youuuuu..
 
2013-08-01 01:47:18 PM  
This is amazing. I would have bet everything that he would get off the hook with a slap on the wrist.

I hope it's really hard for him. I'm sure it will be after leaving all that money.

No parole for federal prison either, right?
 
2013-08-01 01:48:15 PM  
That son of a biatch can rot in jail.
 
2013-08-01 01:49:44 PM  

HAMMERTOE: You know what they call the guy who graduates at the very bottom of his medical class? "Doctor."


That's a stupid argument, because no matter how high the standard is for medical school graduates, it'll always be true.
 
2013-08-01 01:50:09 PM  
I am begining to believe that the whole sociopath thing is much more prevalent than we think it is.
 
2013-08-01 01:51:17 PM  
one of those kids commited suicide. I hope they rot in hell.
 
2013-08-01 01:54:17 PM  
I see the two big mega prison corporations got off scott free
 
2013-08-01 01:54:32 PM  
Hmm, this Judge would have gotten away with it if he wasn't so arrogant, the initial claims were dismissed and only came back up after the Judge got investigated for being a dick to co-workers.

It's probably still going on in other Courtrooms.
 
2013-08-01 01:55:43 PM  

HAMMERTOE: ltdanman44: This is why prisons and healthcare should NOT be for-profit

Prisons, I'm right there with you on, but Healthcare? I hate to be the guy who walks into the DMV and yells out, "These are the people you want running your healthcare?", but damn. Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise. Not to mention, you've got your cases of entrenchment, where pay is entirely divorced from performance. You know what they call the guy who graduates at the very bottom of his medical class? "Doctor." Now, compound that fact with the ponderous rate of service at your typical DMV, and the lack of accountability legislated into the current Law Enforcement model, and suddenly, you have doctors who take forever to give you the wrong treatment, and no recourse for you when your husband/ wife/ child dies.

The problem with the system is too many bureaucrats have entrenched their selves into it without adding any value whatsoever. Adding several layers of government bureaucrats can only serve to worsen it exponentially.


Not trying to buy into your threadjack, but medicare handles the oldest and the sickest, and does it for a fraction of the cost private insurers charge the young and healthy.

/I'll see your bureaucrat and raise you with CEOs, CIOs, CFOs, Pres, VPs, Board of directors and shareholders.
 
2013-08-01 01:55:47 PM  
I hope that none of the kids that he sent away are related in any way to any of his jailmates.
 
2013-08-01 01:57:17 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise.


Canadians can do it, why can't you?

(PROTIP: Med system still free-market, but Med insurance is run by the govt.)
 
2013-08-01 02:00:16 PM  

Private_Citizen: HAMMERTOE: ltdanman44: This is why prisons and healthcare should NOT be for-profit

Prisons, I'm right there with you on, but Healthcare? I hate to be the guy who walks into the DMV and yells out, "These are the people you want running your healthcare?", but damn. Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise. Not to mention, you've got your cases of entrenchment, where pay is entirely divorced from performance. You know what they call the guy who graduates at the very bottom of his medical class? "Doctor." Now, compound that fact with the ponderous rate of service at your typical DMV, and the lack of accountability legislated into the current Law Enforcement model, and suddenly, you have doctors who take forever to give you the wrong treatment, and no recourse for you when your husband/ wife/ child dies.

The problem with the system is too many bureaucrats have entrenched their selves into it without adding any value whatsoever. Adding several layers of government bureaucrats can only serve to worsen it exponentially.

Not trying to buy into your threadjack, but medicare handles the oldest and the sickest, and does it for a fraction of the cost private insurers charge the young and healthy.

/I'll see your bureaucrat and raise you with CEOs, CIOs, CFOs, Pres, VPs, Board of directors and shareholders.


Also also, part of the reason this works is that everyone is part of the insurance pool.  Republicans suggested that there be an insurance requirement to help make the ACA more friendly to existing insurance companies as opposed to going single payer.  They hate this idea now.
 
2013-08-01 02:01:04 PM  

This text is now purple: kingoomieiii: This judge got 28 years. Another judge involved got 17.

The guys who paid them to ruin lives are likely to get less than two each, plus fines. The only crimes they were charged with were failing to report a felony, lying to a grand jury, and tax evasion.

And I'm fine with that. The judges were the ones who abused their legal privileges. You can't blame the devil for everything sinners do.


Well, I would certainly like to keep these other asshats in prison until we can get the devil in front of a jury.
 
2013-08-01 02:01:07 PM  

monoski: You can almost hear him being dragged off to jail yelling "wait I am rich &  white, this is not supposed to happen to me"


They agree
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2013-08-01 02:01:10 PM  

Private_Citizen: /I'll see your bureaucrat and raise you with CEOs, CIOs, CFOs, Pres, VPs, Board of directors and shareholders.


Exactly. You think government bureaucracies don't have those as well?
 
2013-08-01 02:01:15 PM  

BunkoSquad: The first night's the toughest, no doubt about it. They march you in naked as the day you're born, fresh from a Bible reading, skin burning and half-blind from that delousing shiat they throw on you... and when they put you in that cell, when those bars slam home, that's when you know it's for real. Old life blown away in the blink of an eye... a long cold season in hell stretching out ahead...nothing left but all the time in the world to think about it. Most new fish come close to madness the first night. Somebody always breaks down crying. Happens every time.


And you got how many people to bite on this?

/apparently the sarcasm tag is out of the office today.

12/10
 
2013-08-01 02:02:44 PM  

ongbok: I hope that none of the kids that he sent away are related in any way to any of his jailmates.


Karma would be that some of his jailmates are related to those kids and are aware of what he did to them.
 
2013-08-01 02:04:22 PM  

funmonger: HAMMERTOE: Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise.

Canadians can do it, why can't you?

(PROTIP: Med system still free-market, but Med insurance is run by the govt.)


HAMMERTOE is just saying the United States government is at least three times as incompetent as every other industrialized nation on the planet. To be fair, he might be right, given the heroic efforts Republicans have put in over the past thirty years to make it that way.

/my DMV's been a pretty good experience for me
 
2013-08-01 02:04:56 PM  

HAMMERTOE: I hate to be the guy who walks into the DMV and yells out, "These are the people you want running your healthcare?", but damn. Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise.


Um... No.

The US has the highest cost-per-citizen healthcare in the world, and that's even when including the tens of millions of our citizens that are not covered  Take the uninsured out of the equation and our per-person rates are even higher!  Every first-world country with nationalized healthcare has better outcomes than the US and pays far less per citizen.  In most cases, the programs are run by the government or not-for-profits with strict government oversight.

Here's the thing I guess a lot of people don't realize.  It's not "Government" that creates inefficiency at places like the DMV, it's bureaucracy.

Ever have to get an issue solved with Verizon? Comcast? A health insurance company?  They're no better or worse than the DMV.  They're the same.  Big bureaucracies are inefficient and suck.  There aren't a lot of ways to run a massive service without a massive bureaucracy.  We're stuck with them.

Based on experiences the world over, if we had nationalized healthcare like all the other first-world nations, our health care costs would plummet, and our outcomes would improve dramatically.
 
2013-08-01 02:06:05 PM  
This guy is evil. Positively evil. There were a set of investigative articles in the Wilkes-Barre newspaper about the kids-to-jail controversy, before they knew it was a corrupt mpney-making gulag. It was along the lines of "gee, there's a lot of kids getting incarcerated for minor offenses. Maybe we're getting too much into sero tolerance".

He gave an article about how his parents were so strict but loving, and it was that sort of discipline that guided his decisions, so that kids could turn their lives around, because, gosh, he wished there was someone that that in his life when he was young.

This was, of course, while he was pocketing thousands per kid.

Like I said, evil. More evil than if he shot up a schoolroom of kids, because he farked up thousands of kids for money, and even now, shows no remorse.

/and yeah, he's getting off light
 
2013-08-01 02:06:32 PM  

Mithiwithi: HAMMERTOE is just saying the United States government is at least three times as incompetent as every other industrialized nation on the planet.


He knows your flag is on the moon, right?
 
2013-08-01 02:07:13 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Private_Citizen: /I'll see your bureaucrat and raise you with CEOs, CIOs, CFOs, Pres, VPs, Board of directors and shareholders.

Exactly. You think government bureaucracies don't have those as well?


Show me any government official who makes 106million a year ( CEO of United Healthcare Stephen Hemsley 2009). Heck, add up any hundred government offiicals pay.

Then keep in mind Mr. Hemsley was One of many people at that company with epic pay.
 
2013-08-01 02:09:26 PM  

ringersol: Can I pay someone to make his sentence longer?


I'll chip in. And for a daily ass kicking.
 
2013-08-01 02:09:54 PM  
He should be counting his blessings.  That kind of cartoonish supervilliany should be an immediate death sentence.
 
2013-08-01 02:10:24 PM  
Before I can fully enjoy this story, I need to know where he is doing his time. It needs to be max or supermax. No farking minimum security country club. This bastard sold children for cash. He needs max gen pop just the same as any other human trafficker.
 
2013-08-01 02:10:38 PM  

kingoomieiii: Nina Haagen Dazs: This is how we know he was given a proper sentence.

This judge got 28 years. Another judge involved got 17.

The guys who paid them to ruin lives are likely to get less than two each, plus fines. The only crimes they were charged with were failing to report a felony, lying to a grand jury, and tax evasion.

Apparently bribing a federal judge isn't a crime, but knowing about the bride and not going to the police is.


Maybe that's a point they'd have a harder time proving, so they went after the charges they could prove. Like Capone and his taxes.
 
2013-08-01 02:12:01 PM  
Capital punishment for corrupt politicians and upper level government employees,
 
2013-08-01 02:12:32 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: This guy is evil. Positively evil. There were a set of investigative articles in the Wilkes-Barre newspaper about the kids-to-jail controversy, before they knew it was a corrupt mpney-making gulag. It was along the lines of "gee, there's a lot of kids getting incarcerated for minor offenses. Maybe we're getting too much into sero tolerance".

He gave an article about how his parents were so strict but loving, and it was that sort of discipline that guided his decisions, so that kids could turn their lives around, because, gosh, he wished there was someone that that in his life when he was young.

This was, of course, while he was pocketing thousands per kid.

Like I said, evil. More evil than if he shot up a schoolroom of kids, because he farked up thousands of kids for money, and even now, shows no remorse.

/and yeah, he's getting off light


Again, between cops who hate libruls and authoritarian judges who take bribes to put innocent kids in jail there is zero reason to trust the legal system in Pennsylvania. Something is very, very wron in my state and I honestly don't know what I can do about it.
 
2013-08-01 02:12:58 PM  

nytmare: kingoomieiii: Nina Haagen Dazs: This is how we know he was given a proper sentence.

This judge got 28 years. Another judge involved got 17.

The guys who paid them to ruin lives are likely to get less than two each, plus fines. The only crimes they were charged with were failing to report a felony, lying to a grand jury, and tax evasion.

Apparently bribing a federal judge isn't a crime, but knowing about the bride and not going to the police is.

Maybe that's a point they'd have a harder time proving, so they went after the charges they could prove. Like Capone and his taxes.


Or the process by which the bribes were paid was (and still is) perfectly legal. The only illegal part was the judge maximizing his payouts via extended sentences.

As in, this is a systematic problem, not a personal problem.
 
2013-08-01 02:15:50 PM  

Dimensio: I concur with the judge's complaint. I believe that he should receive no prison time at all, and that instead he should be beaten so severely that his face is unrecognizable even to his closest family members, and then he should be put on public display as a warning to other corrupt government officials of what will happen should they decide to ruin lives for their own profit.


I wonder if this guy is still available.
 
2013-08-01 02:15:51 PM  

BunkoSquad: The first night's the toughest, no doubt about it. They march you in naked as the day you're born, fresh from a Bible reading, skin burning and half-blind from that delousing shiat they throw on you... and when they put you in that cell, when those bars slam home, that's when you know it's for real. Old life blown away in the blink of an eye... a long cold season in hell stretching out ahead...nothing left but all the time in the world to think about it. Most new fish come close to madness the first night. Somebody always breaks down crying. Happens every time.


And the first words he hears are "So you're the MoFo who farked my little brother over. Welcome to Hell".
 
2013-08-01 02:16:09 PM  
queerty-prodweb.s3.amazonaws.com
"Long arm of the law"
 
2013-08-01 02:17:44 PM  
Last week, a federal appeals court said it would not reconsider a decision upholding the ruling.

www.iruntheinternet.com
 
2013-08-01 02:19:34 PM  
he will forever be unjustly branded as the `Kids for Cash' judge,

i.qkme.me
 
2013-08-01 02:19:39 PM  

HAMMERTOE: ltdanman44: This is why prisons and healthcare should NOT be for-profit

Prisons, I'm right there with you on, but Healthcare? I hate to be the guy who walks into the DMV and yells out, "These are the people you want running your healthcare?", but damn. Every last thing the government gets involved in, costs a minimum of twice as much as it did when left up to private enterprise. Not to mention, you've got your cases of entrenchment, where pay is entirely divorced from performance. You know what they call the guy who graduates at the very bottom of his medical class? "Doctor." Now, compound that fact with the ponderous rate of service at your typical DMV, and the lack of accountability legislated into the current Law Enforcement model, and suddenly, you have doctors who take forever to give you the wrong treatment, and no recourse for you when your husband/ wife/ child dies.

The problem with the system is too many bureaucrats have entrenched their selves into it without adding any value whatsoever. Adding several layers of government bureaucrats can only serve to worsen it exponentially.


The NHS in the UK works quite well and costs well under half per capita of healthcare in the US.
 
2013-08-01 02:21:46 PM  
I don't see the problem. This is exactly how the free market should work in the absence of regulation. Money, incentives & all that.
 
2013-08-01 02:22:58 PM  

addy2: ringersol: Can I pay someone to make his sentence longer?

I'll chip in. And for a daily ass kicking.


I'm down for $100 of that ... especially the ass kicking.
 
2013-08-01 02:25:00 PM  

Raging Thespian: It's a start.


Yeah. Now I want to hear about the guys who bribed the judge up on trial for it and how they're going to revisit all the cases of the kids who were convicted by that judge and how they're going to reduce sentences and/or parole them where appropriate. Prolly not gonna happen though.
 
2013-08-01 02:25:52 PM  
 Oh the poor dear. I  should play him a song. Now where did that violin go? I'm always misplacing that thing, so very small ya know.
 
2013-08-01 02:29:03 PM  

This text is now purple: kingoomieiii: This judge got 28 years. Another judge involved got 17.

The guys who paid them to ruin lives are likely to get less than two each, plus fines. The only crimes they were charged with were failing to report a felony, lying to a grand jury, and tax evasion.

And I'm fine with that. The judges were the ones who abused their legal privileges. You can't blame the devil for everything sinners do.


When people are found guilty of soliciting murder-for-hire, they often do 5-10 years. Actually going through with the murder is usually life, or the death penalty.

By contrast, what they paid that judge to do put him away for almost three decades, and the guys get 18 months.

What really gets me is that the bribery wasn't even a crime, at least not one they were charged with. It became a crime when they successfully got the judge to commit a felony and then didn't report it. So, what, ATTEMPTING to bribe a judge isn't a crime? Because attempted bribery of police definitely is.
 
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