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2013-08-01 02:29:01 PM

Neighborhood Watch: From the Yahoo story:  "They seem to have the conservative base on their side."


Lovin' it.

/62 day countdown


You should ask yourself what the median age is of that "conservative base".
 
2013-08-01 02:30:26 PM

MSFT: You should ask yourself what the median age is of that "conservative base".



Couldn't care less.  I just needs the votes within 62 days, baby.
 
2013-08-01 02:32:35 PM

Magorn: This is what infuriates me about Ted Cruz:  He is NOT a Stupid man.   If this crap came from Steve King or Michele Bachmann, or Steve Stockman, I would believe that they actually believed something that stupid.  But cruz is a Harvard law Alum, with a pretty good W-L record arguing ccases in front of the US Supreme Court, which, whatever you feel about its current make-up, is no place for intellectual lightweihts (Clarence Thomas obviously excepted).

So Cruz KNOWS this is utter horseshiat.  He's playing pure demagogue and saying stuff that will rile up the credulous portions of his base that eat this crap up with spoon to increase his chances of getting the nomination in 2016, damage to the country be damned


Not necessarily.  There are plenty of educated, accomplished, accredited people who are still idiots. Paul Brown from GA has a medical degree yet thinks evolution is a fad/6000 year old earth.

You mention he was good at arguing cases.  To argue a case, your own beliefs don't have to be involved, you just need to present your side of the case.  Everyone who took a debate class has experienced this.  You believe one thing, but have to argue the other side.

It could be he has a talent for defending other peoples ideas/actions, but is very poor at coming up with his own, well reasoned ideas/plans.

Some people are great at being lieutenant (carrying out other people's orders) but are terrible when they assume the mantle of leadership and decision making.
 
2013-08-01 02:33:28 PM

timujin: nmrsnr: "I temporarily, partially deprive oxygen to my brain every time I hold my breath while swimming, so I'm sure extending those 30 seconds to 3-5 minutes won't cause any serious or permanent harm."

While I get the point you're going for, it actually won't.  You could learn to hold your breath for four or five minutes with about two weeks worth of practice.

/free diving ftw


I suspect that Senator Cruz has already practiced depriving himself of oxygen for periods of up to thirty minutes.
 
2013-08-01 02:39:19 PM

Neighborhood Watch: MSFT: You should ask yourself what the median age is of that "conservative base".


Couldn't care less.  I just needs the votes within 62 days, baby.


Good point - the republican base has never really cared about the long term effects of... anything. Probably why most of them ride around on mobility scooters with type 2 diabetes.
 
2013-08-01 02:42:51 PM
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2013-08-01 02:43:49 PM
NEXT:  Ted Cruz will say that a government shutdown is like rain on your wedding day.
 
2013-08-01 02:43:51 PM
It's a little redundant that someone who looks that damn stupid actually is.
 
2013-08-01 02:44:07 PM

jjorsett: Ted Cruz thinks it would be no big deal to force a government shutdown over a fight to de-fund Obamacare because "Saturdays and Sundays we see temporary partial government shutdowns, and the world doesn't end"

The utter devastation and suffering that was promised and came about as a result of the sequester puts the lie to that statement. The breadlines, the people dying in the street, the complete collapse of our infrastructure and economy from a few tenths of one percent of cuts should serve as a valuable lesson that the government is as essential to our existence as air.


Show where people were saying there would be societal collapse and bodies in the streets as a result of the sequester? The sequester did exactly what it was projected to do per the CBO estimates: cause more service congestion with furloughs (though Congress changed their tune on the TSA when they realized it was a personal inconvenience) and a slowdown of government spending that slowed GDP growth as a result. The problem with the sequester is that it was a lazy and unfortunate across the board cut, with no wasteful programs being eliminated but programs that are already underfunded saw equally significant cuts.

Also, you're saying that since the small cuts of the sequester didn't cause major harm that reducing the government's budget to zero until one side or the other caved on their demands would be equally harmless? Federal discretionary spending is $1.258 trillion, or about 7.73% of GDP. If the government doesn't pass a continuing resolution or a budget, that number drops to 0. That's not even taking into account the procedural delays caused by loss of federal services. You really think that going weeks, months, or potentially the rest of the year without that cashflow can be dismissed as nothing to concern yourself with?
 
2013-08-01 02:48:47 PM
Do it, you farking pussy. Do it.

See where that gets you.  Farking go for it.
 
2013-08-01 02:49:21 PM

jjorsett: Ted Cruz thinks it would be no big deal to force a government shutdown over a fight to de-fund Obamacare because "Saturdays and Sundays we see temporary partial government shutdowns, and the world doesn't end"

The utter devastation and suffering that was promised and came about as a result of the sequester puts the lie to that statement. The breadlines, the people dying in the street, the complete collapse of our infrastructure and economy from a few tenths of one percent of cuts should serve as a valuable lesson that the government is as essential to our existence as air.


The people who aren't getting cancer treatments because of the lack of funding frown upon the fact you think there is no suffering as a result of the sequester. They die at home, not in a hospital, not in the streets... and that's the way "conservatives": like you want them... dead, at home.
 
2013-08-01 02:51:52 PM

Demetrius: Do it, you farking pussy. Do it.

See where that gets you.  Farking go for it.


Those who forget the mistakes of the Newt and bound to make them again
 
2013-08-01 02:52:35 PM

jjorsett: Ted Cruz thinks it would be no big deal to force a government shutdown over a fight to de-fund Obamacare because "Saturdays and Sundays we see temporary partial government shutdowns, and the world doesn't end"

The utter devastation and suffering that was promised and came about as a result of the sequester puts the lie to that statement. The breadlines, the people dying in the street, the complete collapse of our infrastructure and economy from a few tenths of one percent of cuts should serve as a valuable lesson that the government is as essential to our existence as air.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/04/03/cancer-cl in ics-are-turning-away-thousands-of-medicare-patients-blame-the-sequeste r/

They're exaggerating their cancer, I'm sure.  Seriously, you GOP fellaters are totally cool with murdering Americans by stealing their money, then giving it to the rich instead of using it to help anyone... and as long as you don't see it in the street, you think there's no lack of morals associated with it. You hate the American working poor so much that you'd let them die of treatable conditions just so ADM shareholders can get a couple bucks more.
 
2013-08-01 02:55:03 PM

Magorn: This is what infuriates me about Ted Cruz:  He is NOT a Stupid man.   If this crap came from Steve King or Michele Bachmann, or Steve Stockman, I would believe that they actually believed something that stupid.  But cruz is a Harvard law Alum, with a pretty good W-L record arguing ccases in front of the US Supreme Court, which, whatever you feel about its current make-up, is no place for intellectual lightweihts (Clarence Thomas obviously excepted).

So Cruz KNOWS this is utter horseshiat.  He's playing pure demagogue and saying stuff that will rile up the credulous portions of his base that eat this crap up with spoon to increase his chances of getting the nomination in 2016, damage to the country be damned


Better to reign in hell?
 
2013-08-01 02:55:38 PM

Ashyukun: Mad Scientist: The first thing that happens in a government shutdown is stopping the pay for members of congress, right?

Sadly, I believe they explicitly passed a resolution so that they WOULD still get paid regardless. Which IMO should be means for recalling and flogging every one of them that voted in favor of it.


It's not a resolution, it is the 27th Amendment.  The text says you can't vary legislators' pay before an election.  It was written to stop it rising, but the language says "vary", which would include lowering.
 
2013-08-01 02:56:12 PM

Magorn: increase his chances of getting the nomination in 2016


he's still inelligable, regardless of what he tells you.  His father was born in Cuba and he was born in Canada.
 
2013-08-01 02:56:52 PM

jjorsett: from a few tenths of one percent of cuts should serve as a valuable lesson that the government is as essential to our existence as air.


So you're comparing a few tenths of a percent of cuts to a complete government shut down?
 
2013-08-01 02:58:17 PM

Klippoklondike: I don't know a whole lot about it, but isn't a government shutdown drastically different than being closed on the weekends?  I would imagine a shutdown involves layoffs and having to move money around just to maintain the status quo.


In the short term (a few days) is means payments to Social Security and venders get sent late. In the long run (a few weeks), it means no one is monitoring regulations to make sure industry is following the law, less security as the FBI, etc is working drastically less hours, oh yea, and airports, no one is flying, airports don't shut down on the weekend, but during a government shutdown pretty much no international flights can happen, and domestic flights have to be cut to what airport staff can handle on their own without traffic controller and TSA.
 
2013-08-01 03:00:40 PM
Remind me again, what happened when Newt threatened to shut down the government if Clinton didn't meet his demands.
 
2013-08-01 03:01:50 PM

Hyjamon: Magorn: This is what infuriates me about Ted Cruz:  He is NOT a Stupid man.   If this crap came from Steve King or Michele Bachmann, or Steve Stockman, I would believe that they actually believed something that stupid.  But cruz is a Harvard law Alum, with a pretty good W-L record arguing ccases in front of the US Supreme Court, which, whatever you feel about its current make-up, is no place for intellectual lightweihts (Clarence Thomas obviously excepted).

So Cruz KNOWS this is utter horseshiat.  He's playing pure demagogue and saying stuff that will rile up the credulous portions of his base that eat this crap up with spoon to increase his chances of getting the nomination in 2016, damage to the country be damned

Not necessarily.  There are plenty of educated, accomplished, accredited people who are still idiots. Paul Brown from GA has a medical degree yet thinks evolution is a fad/6000 year old earth.

You mention he was good at arguing cases.  To argue a case, your own beliefs don't have to be involved, you just need to present your side of the case.  Everyone who took a debate class has experienced this.  You believe one thing, but have to argue the other side.

It could be he has a talent for defending other peoples ideas/actions, but is very poor at coming up with his own, well reasoned ideas/plans.

Some people are great at being lieutenant (carrying out other people's orders) but are terrible when they assume the mantle of leadership and decision making.


True enough, Broun is a very good counter-example (what IS it whith Republicans who are physicans but argue against basic scientific tenents? Ron Paul, State rep Jodie "rape kits clean you out" Laubenberg of TX etc)  but it has been my experience that, to be a sucessful litigator, you essentially have to be able to anticipate all your opponenet's arguments and know his side of the case about as well as you know your own.  This requires a degree of mental flexibility that the Dogmatic rarely have
 
2013-08-01 03:02:54 PM

Rann Xerox: NEXT:  Ted Cruz will say that a government shutdown is like rain on your wedding day.


That sounds Ironic.....don't you think?
 
2013-08-01 03:03:24 PM

MSFT: spongeboob: New baby troll continues to post derp in every single thread.

I like that everyone has him on ignore.
<wipes tear>


I don't even know who you're talking about.  probably a good thing for me...
 
2013-08-01 03:10:13 PM

Magorn: This is what infuriates me about Ted Cruz:  He is NOT a Stupid man.   If this crap came from Steve King or Michele Bachmann, or Steve Stockman, I would believe that they actually believed something that stupid.  But cruz is a Harvard law Alum, with a pretty good W-L record arguing ccases in front of the US Supreme Court, which, whatever you feel about its current make-up, is no place for intellectual lightweihts (Clarence Thomas obviously excepted).

So Cruz KNOWS this is utter horseshiat.  He's playing pure demagogue and saying stuff that will rile up the credulous portions of his base that eat this crap up with spoon to increase his chances of getting the nomination in 2016, damage to the country be damned


So he's deliberately harming the country to achieve his political goals? Drone the fark out of him. He's a terrorist.
 
2013-08-01 03:13:06 PM

ManateeGag: Remind me again, what happened when Newt threatened to shut down the government if Clinton didn't meet his demands.


You took the words right outta my
brain
 
2013-08-01 03:37:15 PM

ManateeGag: Magorn: increase his chances of getting the nomination in 2016

he's still inelligable, regardless of what he tells you.  His father was born in Cuba and he was born in Canada.


But his Mother was a US citizen so he's totally "naturally Born" under the meaning of the term that is now accepted by the same people who are still donating money to Orly Taitz.

Yes, you say, but wouldn;t that make Obama eligible as well? Evenif he WAS born in Kenya?

No. Of course not, that's a totally different situation because
A) Obama was an inexperienced 1st term Senator with no executive experience
B) Obama was a LAWYER trained in the evil den of socialist indoctirnation called HARVARD
C) Obama had never had ANY job except being a lawyer
D) Obama's Mama was from HAWAII which hadn;t been a state for very long when she was born there and his father was KENYAN not CANADIAN.

 See the difference?
 
2013-08-01 03:43:33 PM
This man represents the GOP ideology in its purest form.
 
2013-08-01 03:50:18 PM
You gotta hand it to the guy.

His ability to insult the intelligence of his base so blatantly and get away with it is a thing to behold.
 
2013-08-01 03:52:06 PM
I think a government shut down would be awsome, in fact we should shut it down right now starting with military pay, military contracts, and shipping of military supplies. Who needs that stuff? Right.
 
2013-08-01 04:06:22 PM
i'm really, really hoping senator cruz is the GOP nominee for president in 2016.
 
2013-08-01 04:06:26 PM

Slaves2Darkness: I think a government shut down would be awsome, in fact we should shut it down right now starting with military pay, military contracts, and shipping of military supplies. Who needs that stuff? Right.


Don't forget congressional salaries.
 
2013-08-01 04:07:23 PM

Slaves2Darkness: I think a government shut down would be awsome, in fact we should shut it down right now starting with military pay, military contracts, and shipping of military supplies. Who needs that stuff? Right.


Or maybe just those at Fort Hood
 
2013-08-01 04:17:36 PM
2016 Paul/Cruz or 2016 Cruz/Paul
Epic lulz! or ¡Lulz epic!
 
2013-08-01 04:17:49 PM
I love Ted Cruz.I Voted for him and I love how he just drives you libs crazy.Get used to him.He's gonna be there a while! HA HA!!
 
2013-08-01 04:19:54 PM

ocelot: I love Ted Cruz.I Voted for him and I love how he just drives you libs crazy.Get used to him.He's gonna be there a while! HA HA!!


You voted for a guy just because you knew he would drive "us libs" crazy? Why are you so vindictive?
 
2013-08-01 04:24:04 PM

Diogenes: spongeboob: New baby troll continues to post derp in every single thread.

After getting called on it, multiple times, every time.


And admitting that yes it is a Troll alt at least twice.
 
2013-08-01 04:26:49 PM

ocelot: I love Ted Cruz.I Voted for him and I love how he just drives you libs crazy.Get used to him.He's gonna be there a while! HA HA!!


Congratulations. You willingly voted for a moron.
 
2013-08-01 04:28:37 PM

The Drawing Board: You gotta hand it to the guy.

His ability to insult the intelligence of his base so blatantly and get away with it is a thing to behold.


His base has no intelligence... Just look at the post six down from yours for proof...
 
2013-08-01 04:32:54 PM

Magorn: This is what infuriates me about Ted Cruz:  He is NOT a Stupid man.   If this crap came from Steve King or Michele Bachmann, or Steve Stockman, I would believe that they actually believed something that stupid.  But cruz is a Harvard law Alum, with a pretty good W-L record arguing ccases in front of the US Supreme Court, which, whatever you feel about its current make-up, is no place for intellectual lightweihts (Clarence Thomas obviously excepted).

So Cruz KNOWS this is utter horseshiat.  He's playing pure demagogue and saying stuff that will rile up the credulous portions of his base that eat this crap up with spoon to increase his chances of getting the nomination in 2016, damage to the country be damned


Great. Fine. I hope he gets the nomination.

/Please proceed, moron.
 
2013-08-01 04:33:47 PM
I Voted for him and I love how he just drives you libs crazy.

Ladies and gentlemen, the modern Republican Party. Bless their hearts.
 
2013-08-01 04:36:24 PM

ocelot: I love Ted Cruz.I Voted for him and I love how he just drives you libs crazy.Get used to him.He's gonna be there a while! HA HA!!


ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2013-08-01 04:43:29 PM

someonelse: ocelot: I love Ted Cruz.I Voted for him and I love how he just drives you libs crazy.Get used to him.He's gonna be there a while! HA HA!!

Congratulations. You willingly voted for a moron.


Takes one to vote for one.
 
2013-08-01 04:51:37 PM

ManateeGag: Remind me again, what happened when Newt threatened to shut down the government if Clinton didn't meet his demands.


Threatened?
 
2013-08-01 04:59:11 PM

Klippoklondike: I don't know a whole lot about it, but isn't a government shutdown drastically different than being closed on the weekends?  I would imagine a shutdown involves layoffs and having to move money around just to maintain the status quo.


As being one of those people who works within the Beltway everyone here loses their collective sh*t whenever it looks like the Government might legit shut down. Since my organization is private, yet intrinsically tied to the FDA, we have contingency plans in place that would keep our heads above water for 2-4 weeks. Anything longer than that and I may as well start sending my resume out. Many other organizations here aren't even that lucky.
 
2013-08-01 05:22:15 PM

Magorn: CANADIAN


Cruz's father is Cuban.
 
2013-08-01 07:17:50 PM

firefly212: Do it, you pussies. Seriously, shut down the government in your bid to ensure that the working poor can't get access to reasonable healthcare... I want the Dems to win some seats in 2014, and Mr. Cruz's idea seems to be the best way of making sure that happens.


That's how I feel at this point. Just show them how farking idiotic their plans are.
 
2013-08-01 08:09:33 PM

maxheck: Mad Scientist:

The first thing that happens in a government shutdown is stopping the pay for members of congress, right?

You really think there are congressmen who are dependent on their congressional salary?


Apparently Representative Sean Duffy is barely getting by:

"Constituent: But a hundred and seventy-four thousand, that's three times - that's three of my family's - three times what I make.

Duffy: Well our budget...I moved to cut by 5 percent. I did. You know what, I have no problem..let's have a movement afoot. I walked into this job 6 weeks ago..um that I worked incredibly hard for. And I can guarantee you or most of you, I guarantee that I have more debt than all of you.

With 6 kids, I still pay off my student loans. I still pay my mortgage. I drive a used minivan. If you think I'm living high off the hog, I've got one paycheck. So I..I struggle to meet my bills right now. Would it be easier for me if I get more paychecks? Maybe, but at this point I'm not living high off the hog."
 
2013-08-01 09:09:04 PM
Reading that headline caused me physical pain.
 
2013-08-01 09:37:05 PM

ManateeGag: Remind me again, what happened when Newt threatened to shut down the government if Clinton didn't meet his demands.


The Republicans had a net loss of 2 seats in the House (which, considering how many they gained in '94, wasn't much at all) but retained control of the House. The Republicans also had a net gain of 2 seats in the Senate.

So yeah, tell me again how the Government Shutdown of 1995 damaged the Republican party?
 
2013-08-01 10:39:36 PM
Hey, be my guest.  I'm already being furloughed 8 hours a week, what's a little more going to do?  Hell, in a month I'll be done with the government for good, then they can shut the whole thing down indefinitely for all I care.
 
2013-08-02 07:39:15 AM

dsmith42: maxheck: Mad Scientist:

The first thing that happens in a government shutdown is stopping the pay for members of congress, right?

You really think there are congressmen who are dependent on their congressional salary?

Apparently Representative Sean Duffy is barely getting by:

"Constituent: But a hundred and seventy-four thousand, that's three times - that's three of my family's - three times what I make.

Duffy: Well our budget...I moved to cut by 5 percent. I did. You know what, I have no problem..let's have a movement afoot. I walked into this job 6 weeks ago..um that I worked incredibly hard for. And I can guarantee you or most of you, I guarantee that I have more debt than all of you.

With 6 kids, I still pay off my student loans. I still pay my mortgage. I drive a used minivan. If you think I'm living high off the hog, I've got one paycheck. So I..I struggle to meet my bills right now. Would it be easier for me if I get more paychecks? Maybe, but at this point I'm not living high off the hog."


Then he is too financially retarded to be an elected official.
 
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