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2013-08-01 09:29:19 AM  
6 votes:

DammitIForgotMyLogin: I'm glad he's managed to find a country whose human rights record is a shining beacon to the rest of the world from which to continue his campaign


Again, it's hard for us to take the moral high road, what with our decade-plus-long history of "extraordinary rendition", illegal prisons, torturing of both domestic and foreign prisoners, and remote-control assassinations. We gave up that moral high road when we decided to act like the folks we claimed we were fighting.
2013-08-01 09:23:09 AM  
5 votes:
First thing I would do is look up a certain redhead spy.


i.imgur.com
2013-08-01 11:54:26 AM  
2 votes:

uber humper: Weaver95: uber humper: Great Janitor: There is no farking reason why the U.S. government should be spying on the staff at my local McDonald's when they talk on the their cell phone. Me, I have no criminal background, I haven't left the country since 2000, I'm an American citizen. Spying on me is NOT going to save a single life, not going to stop any terrorist attack. It is a waste of funds and times for the United States government to spy on me in the name of anti-terrorism, and not just me, but for 99% of the 300,000,000 American Citizens in the United States.

Spying on future (and current) politicians would interest some people, greatly.

Not to mention that I'm sure authoritarian elements in the fedgov believe that it's important that everyone be tracked at all times just on the off chance that someone somewhere does something that they don't like.

Their argument is that it is easier to just grab everyting.  It probably is.  But the end does not justify the means.  Their means to do that, open up all kinds of means to do other things.


To most authoritarians the end always justifies the means.
2013-08-01 10:48:26 AM  
2 votes:

LasersHurt: Weaver95: I don't think most people really give much thought to how badly this little spy system can be abused for petty political gain.

Assuming full corruption, no oversight, and a brazen willingness to commit crimes. And that nobody will fight back. And that if something CAN be misused by breaking the law, we should not do it at all.

That line of logic is inherently flawed, though - unless you have a deep mistrust of Gun Shop Owners because they might break the law, violate their trust, and commit crimes.


No, I just remember reading about COINTELPRO and some other little tricks the fedgov has pulled over the years and would rather not give them the benefit of the doubt.
2013-08-01 10:46:56 AM  
2 votes:

LasersHurt: uber humper: Look at the trajectory of this surveillance, what is next?  You think this is where it stops?  It will get more insidious.

Slippery slope is slippery, I get it. I simply still disagree. It's gone public. Scrutiny of the programs grow every day. I just really, really don't believe this will be what takes us down.


It's what we don't hear about that bugs me. What else is out there? What are our buddies in the NSA cooking up at this moment? Given our countries history with programs like COINTELPRO and MKULTRA...yeah. It's a valid concern.
2013-08-01 10:37:26 AM  
2 votes:

uber humper: LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.

Chill? The government has an absolute window into the lives of every citizen.  I'm not worried about someone watch me jack off.  I'm worried that the potential of political misuse is too great. It will be misused.  There is no doubt.

The country will eventually fail, everything does.  When we fall into tyranny, there is no chance to fight it, the tools are there.  The people who built this are the enemies of this country and it's people.


I don't think most people really give much thought to how badly this little spy system can be abused for petty political gain.
2013-08-01 10:24:50 AM  
2 votes:

LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.


Chill? The government has an absolute window into the lives of every citizen.  I'm not worried about someone watch me jack off.  I'm worried that the potential of political misuse is too great. It will be misused.  There is no doubt.

The country will eventually fail, everything does.  When we fall into tyranny, there is no chance to fight it, the tools are there.  The people who built this are the enemies of this country and it's people.
2013-08-01 10:18:49 AM  
2 votes:

ManateeGag: ModernPrimitive01: I hope he makes it through this alive to settle down in some village somewhere. Good luck patriot

/say what you want, he has more balls than you

If he had balls, he'd have stayed here and faced the music instead of running away like a little biatch.


I dunno. He sure got the world to sit up and pay attention. Seems to me that if his plan was to highlight the unethical and illegal behavior of the US government, his running away sure helped get that message out to the masses.
2013-08-01 10:17:13 AM  
2 votes:

LasersHurt: uber humper: sethstorm: Hopefully he assumes room temperature or ends up in US custody soon, along with his lawyers - preferably alive long enough to be shown as captured.

If I had any chance to turn him in, I would and with pleasure - as one would turn any common criminal.

Make sure to polish your jackboots first.  Your type is the only ones supporting this lying government.  What is there left to trust about the government?

The 10,000 things it does honestly every day? Nah though, better make a jackboots crack to make sure everyone knows that you're above it all.


Also, Like I said in a previous thread.  The only way for the government to regain trust is to do as the East Germans did with the Stasi.  Post the names of everyone involved in the newspaper - to forever be scorned.  The techs involved in this are not innocent. They built what will destroy this country.
2013-08-01 09:34:26 AM  
2 votes:

FormlessOne: Again, it's hard for us to take the moral high road, what with our decade-plus-long history of "extraordinary rendition", illegal prisons, torturing of both domestic and foreign prisoners, and remote-control assassinations. We gave up that moral high road when we decided to act like the folks we claimed we were fighting.


Right.  So the US can shut up about any abuse anywhere, because we no longer have the right to criticize or stop abuses.

Rest of the world; do whatever the fark you want to whomever you want!  FormlessOne says we're not allowed to say anything about it any more.
2013-08-01 09:17:44 AM  
2 votes:
I'm glad he's managed to find a country whose human rights record is a shining beacon to the rest of the world from which to continue his campaign
2013-08-01 12:29:20 PM  
1 votes:

KellyX: Great Janitor: KellyX: Predict he is found dead within 5 years...

You're going with years?

Safer bet than saying 5 days...

 
He's safe. From the Americans, anyways. He has too much info as an insurance policy. Although, they will try to arrest him. In that case he won't have the info leaked to keep from having another charge stacked on him. Probably like a 20 year sentence. Long enough so the info is irrelevant, by then; short enough so that he can see he will still have something of a life left when he gets out -- so he won't do anything to fark that up.

2013-08-01 12:28:22 PM  
1 votes:
To the idiots saying that Snowden will be dead in days, on the contrary he is in the safest place he could possibly be.  The KGB will be near 24/7 to assure his safety because it would be extremely embarrassing to Putin and Russia if something were to happen to him.  Snowden is not only a shining beacon of Russia's moral superiority to the US but also a possible chip to be played in the Syria situation.
2013-08-01 11:40:16 AM  
1 votes:

uber humper: Great Janitor: There is no farking reason why the U.S. government should be spying on the staff at my local McDonald's when they talk on the their cell phone. Me, I have no criminal background, I haven't left the country since 2000, I'm an American citizen. Spying on me is NOT going to save a single life, not going to stop any terrorist attack. It is a waste of funds and times for the United States government to spy on me in the name of anti-terrorism, and not just me, but for 99% of the 300,000,000 American Citizens in the United States.

Spying on future (and current) politicians would interest some people, greatly.


Not to mention that I'm sure authoritarian elements in the fedgov believe that it's important that everyone be tracked at all times just on the off chance that someone somewhere does something that they don't like.
2013-08-01 11:36:56 AM  
1 votes:

generallyso: uber humper: It's on the front page of every news outlet.

Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.

Snowden is on the front page of every news outlet. Mass domestic spying and the literal outsourcing of national security seem to be less newsworthy than Snowden himself.


It's interesting watching how the press twists the focus of the story around.
2013-08-01 11:22:43 AM  
1 votes:

Wayne 985: Great Janitor: tical: graeth: Still don't see why people care so much.
How stupid do you have to be to believe that someone somewhere isn't monitoring or at least recording some kind of information on you.

That justifies its legality? Lets those who break the law, not criminals?

/keep hand waiving
//get out of my country

It's not surprising to know that the U.S. was spying on other nations.
It's not surprising that the U.S. was spying on suspected terrorist cells, known sympathizers in both the U.S. and in other nations
It's not surprising to know that other nations have been spying on the U.S.
It is expected to know that the U.S. government makes it their duty to spy on suspected enemies and known enemies.

What does it mean when the U.S. government is openly spying on it's own citizens?  That the U.S. government thinks of it's own citizens as potential enemies is the answer that I have a hard time avoiding.

The 9/11 attackers lived in this country for some time. It's obvious that we have enemies posing as legitimate Americans and they should be rooted out. It's not McCarthyism. We're not destroying people's lives. We're looking at phone records to save them.


They were not American citizens.  19 foreign nationals from countries that aren't exactly friendly to U.S. interests and home to terrorist cells that have attacked U.S. bases over seas would be justifiable for the U.S. to spy on them.

There is no farking reason why the U.S. government should be spying on the staff at my local McDonald's when they talk on the their cell phone.  Me, I have no criminal background, I haven't left the country since 2000, I'm an American citizen.  Spying on me is NOT going to save a single life, not going to stop any terrorist attack.  It is a waste of funds and times for the United States government to spy on me in the name of anti-terrorism, and not just me, but for 99% of the 300,000,000 American Citizens in the United States.
2013-08-01 11:04:08 AM  
1 votes:

uber humper: It's on the front page of every news outlet.

Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.


Snowden is on the front page of every news outlet. Mass domestic spying and the literal outsourcing of national security seem to be less newsworthy than Snowden himself.
2013-08-01 10:49:28 AM  
1 votes:

uber humper: Weaver95: I don't think most people really give much thought to how badly this little spy system can be abused for petty political gain.

It's on the front page of every news outlet.

Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.


You really don't pay much attention to history, do you?
2013-08-01 10:40:52 AM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: I don't think most people really give much thought to how badly this little spy system can be abused for petty political gain.


Assuming full corruption, no oversight, and a brazen willingness to commit crimes. And that nobody will fight back. And that if something CAN be misused by breaking the law, we should not do it at all.

That line of logic is inherently flawed, though - unless you have a deep mistrust of Gun Shop Owners because they might break the law, violate their trust, and commit crimes.
2013-08-01 10:36:31 AM  
1 votes:
Predict he is found dead within 5 years...
2013-08-01 10:35:55 AM  
1 votes:

uber humper: LasersHurt: uber humper: sethstorm: Hopefully he assumes room temperature or ends up in US custody soon, along with his lawyers - preferably alive long enough to be shown as captured.

If I had any chance to turn him in, I would and with pleasure - as one would turn any common criminal.

Make sure to polish your jackboots first.  Your type is the only ones supporting this lying government.  What is there left to trust about the government?

The 10,000 things it does honestly every day? Nah though, better make a jackboots crack to make sure everyone knows that you're above it all.

The problem is: we don't know when it's telling the truth an when it's lying.

Everyone is mostly honest.


LOL
2013-08-01 10:27:01 AM  
1 votes:

LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.


He's not wrong about that.
2013-08-01 09:44:43 AM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: FormlessOne: Again, it's hard for us to take the moral high road, what with our decade-plus-long history of "extraordinary rendition", illegal prisons, torturing of both domestic and foreign prisoners, and remote-control assassinations. We gave up that moral high road when we decided to act like the folks we claimed we were fighting.

Right.  So the US can shut up about any abuse anywhere, because we no longer have the right to criticize or stop abuses.

Rest of the world; do whatever the fark you want to whomever you want!  FormlessOne says we're not allowed to say anything about it any more.



Say what you want but don't be surprised when the rest of the world calls you hypocrites.
2013-08-01 09:41:37 AM  
1 votes:

tical: graeth: Still don't see why people care so much.
How stupid do you have to be to believe that someone somewhere isn't monitoring or at least recording some kind of information on you.

That justifies its legality? Lets those who break the law, not criminals?

/keep hand waiving
//get out of my country


It's not surprising to know that the U.S. was spying on other nations.
It's not surprising that the U.S. was spying on suspected terrorist cells, known sympathizers in both the U.S. and in other nations
It's not surprising to know that other nations have been spying on the U.S.
It is expected to know that the U.S. government makes it their duty to spy on suspected enemies and known enemies.

What does it mean when the U.S. government is openly spying on it's own citizens?  That the U.S. government thinks of it's own citizens as potential enemies is the answer that I have a hard time avoiding.
2013-08-01 09:37:27 AM  
1 votes:
It's gonna be great watching the GOP try to be morally outraged by this!
2013-08-01 09:35:52 AM  
1 votes:

FormlessOne: DammitIForgotMyLogin: I'm glad he's managed to find a country whose human rights record is a shining beacon to the rest of the world from which to continue his campaign

Again, it's hard for us to take the moral high road, what with our decade-plus-long history of "extraordinary rendition", illegal prisons, torturing of both domestic and foreign prisoners, and remote-control assassinations. We gave up that moral high road when we decided to act like the folks we claimed we were fighting.


Exactly! We're not exactly a beacon of hope and change.
2013-08-01 09:31:08 AM  
1 votes:

graeth: Still don't see why people care so much.
How stupid do you have to be to believe that someone somewhere isn't monitoring or at least recording some kind of information on you.


Better question is  how much of a juvenile narcissist do you have to be to believe anyone cares specifically about what you're up to?
2013-08-01 09:29:48 AM  
1 votes:
I hope he makes it through this alive to settle down in some village somewhere. Good luck patriot

/say what you want, he has more balls than you
2013-08-01 09:26:09 AM  
1 votes:
Still don't see why people care so much.
How stupid do you have to be to believe that someone somewhere isn't monitoring or at least recording some kind of information on you.
2013-08-01 09:20:56 AM  
1 votes:

macadamnut: RobertBruce: /if he's smart

If he's smart he'll go back to the airport tomorrow and hop on a plane to Venezuela.


That would work except to get there he has to either lay off in a country that isn't offering asylum and hope they let him get back on a plane or risk crossing over western airspace where his flight will be met with some very friendly F16s
2013-08-01 09:20:31 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: DammitIForgotMyLogin: I'm glad he's managed to find a country whose human rights record is a shining beacon to the rest of the world from which to continue his campaign

I'm not sure dying would help him very much.


as long as he doesn't anger Putin, he'll be OK.  Putin may snap at any minute though.
2013-08-01 09:19:38 AM  
1 votes:

RobertBruce: /if he's smart


If he's smart he'll go back to the airport tomorrow and hop on a plane to Venezuela.
 
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