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2013-08-01 10:10:03 AM

sethstorm: Hopefully he assumes room temperature or ends up in US custody soon, along with his lawyers - preferably alive long enough to be shown as captured.

If I had any chance to turn him in, I would and with pleasure - as one would turn any common criminal.


Make sure to polish your jackboots first.  Your type is the only ones supporting this lying government.  What is there left to trust about the government?
 
2013-08-01 10:11:10 AM

uber humper: sethstorm: Hopefully he assumes room temperature or ends up in US custody soon, along with his lawyers - preferably alive long enough to be shown as captured.

If I had any chance to turn him in, I would and with pleasure - as one would turn any common criminal.

Make sure to polish your jackboots first.  Your type is the only ones supporting this lying government.  What is there left to trust about the government?


The 10,000 things it does honestly every day? Nah though, better make a jackboots crack to make sure everyone knows that you're above it all.
 
2013-08-01 10:14:09 AM

LasersHurt: uber humper: sethstorm: Hopefully he assumes room temperature or ends up in US custody soon, along with his lawyers - preferably alive long enough to be shown as captured.

If I had any chance to turn him in, I would and with pleasure - as one would turn any common criminal.

Make sure to polish your jackboots first.  Your type is the only ones supporting this lying government.  What is there left to trust about the government?

The 10,000 things it does honestly every day? Nah though, better make a jackboots crack to make sure everyone knows that you're above it all.


The problem is: we don't know when it's telling the truth an when it's lying.

Everyone is mostly honest.
 
2013-08-01 10:17:13 AM

LasersHurt: uber humper: sethstorm: Hopefully he assumes room temperature or ends up in US custody soon, along with his lawyers - preferably alive long enough to be shown as captured.

If I had any chance to turn him in, I would and with pleasure - as one would turn any common criminal.

Make sure to polish your jackboots first.  Your type is the only ones supporting this lying government.  What is there left to trust about the government?

The 10,000 things it does honestly every day? Nah though, better make a jackboots crack to make sure everyone knows that you're above it all.


Also, Like I said in a previous thread.  The only way for the government to regain trust is to do as the East Germans did with the Stasi.  Post the names of everyone involved in the newspaper - to forever be scorned.  The techs involved in this are not innocent. They built what will destroy this country.
 
2013-08-01 10:18:49 AM

ManateeGag: ModernPrimitive01: I hope he makes it through this alive to settle down in some village somewhere. Good luck patriot

/say what you want, he has more balls than you

If he had balls, he'd have stayed here and faced the music instead of running away like a little biatch.


I dunno. He sure got the world to sit up and pay attention. Seems to me that if his plan was to highlight the unethical and illegal behavior of the US government, his running away sure helped get that message out to the masses.
 
2013-08-01 10:19:03 AM

uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.


Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.
 
2013-08-01 10:23:26 AM
Best line from TFA:

 "In any case, I would like not to deal with such issues because it is like shearing a pig: There's lots of squealing and little fleece."
 
2013-08-01 10:24:50 AM

LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.


Chill? The government has an absolute window into the lives of every citizen.  I'm not worried about someone watch me jack off.  I'm worried that the potential of political misuse is too great. It will be misused.  There is no doubt.

The country will eventually fail, everything does.  When we fall into tyranny, there is no chance to fight it, the tools are there.  The people who built this are the enemies of this country and it's people.
 
2013-08-01 10:25:08 AM

Faddy: Say what you want but don't be surprised when the rest of the world calls you hypocrites.


teenytinycornteeth: Satanic_Hamster: FormlessOne: Again, it's hard for us to take the moral high road, what with our decade-plus-long history of "extraordinary rendition", illegal prisons, torturing of both domestic and foreign prisoners, and remote-control assassinations. We gave up that moral high road when we decided to act like the folks we claimed we were fighting.

Right.  So the US can shut up about any abuse anywhere, because we no longer have the right to criticize or stop abuses.

Rest of the world; do whatever the fark you want to whomever you want!  FormlessOne says we're not allowed to say anything about it any more.

I must be reading a different post by Formless One.  No one's saying you can't speak out against abuses or violations of human rights, all he's saying is that you should get off your U.S.A! U.S.A! high horse before doing it since no one's hands are completely clean in this arena.

Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye. - Matthew 7:5


Right.

So when Americans (any American) is allowed to criticize massive human rights abuses, including murder by the state, can you let us know?  Maybe send out an email or post a facebook update?
 
2013-08-01 10:25:23 AM

uber humper: sethstorm: Hopefully he assumes room temperature or ends up in US custody soon, along with his lawyers - preferably alive long enough to be shown as captured.

If I had any chance to turn him in, I would and with pleasure - as one would turn any common criminal.

Make sure to polish your jackboots first.  Your type is the only ones supporting this lying government.  What is there left to trust about the government?


Jackboots?  If anyone's got them, it's been the gallery of rogues that Snowden has run into outside of the US.

Once he landed in HKSAR, he gave up any legitimacy.  To think of it, he lost it when he left Hawaii.  If he's lucky, he'll have Manning's fate.
 
2013-08-01 10:26:42 AM

sethstorm: Jackboots? If anyone's got them, it's been the gallery of rogues that Snowden has run into outside of the US.

Once he landed in HKSAR, he gave up any legitimacy. To think of it, he lost it when he left Hawaii. If he's lucky, he'll have Manning's fate


Where else would he go? England?
 
2013-08-01 10:27:01 AM

LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.


He's not wrong about that.
 
2013-08-01 10:27:05 AM
Personally I think Snowden was gutsy to release what he did but also naive to think it would bring any significant change.  If the public were interested in privacy and the gross overreach of the Constitution going on here we would be discussing charges for the violations involved, no matter how high on the chain this goes.  But you would have better luck having Palin's daughter win Dancing with the Stars than making any real impact with this.

/surprised he did not do this 8-12 months earlier and try to make this an election issue
 
2013-08-01 10:28:30 AM

sethstorm: uber humper: sethstorm: Hopefully he assumes room temperature or ends up in US custody soon, along with his lawyers - preferably alive long enough to be shown as captured.

If I had any chance to turn him in, I would and with pleasure - as one would turn any common criminal.

Make sure to polish your jackboots first.  Your type is the only ones supporting this lying government.  What is there left to trust about the government?

Jackboots?  If anyone's got them, it's been the gallery of rogues that Snowden has run into outside of the US.

Once he landed in HKSAR, he gave up any legitimacy.  To think of it, he lost it when he left Hawaii.  If he's lucky, he'll have Manning's fate.


What he goes does not invalidate this information he's releasing.  The government has acknowledged it to be true.
 
2013-08-01 10:28:52 AM

uber humper: LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.

Chill? The government has an absolute window into the lives of every citizen.  I'm not worried about someone watch me jack off.  I'm worried that the potential of political misuse is too great. It will be misused.  There is no doubt.

The country will eventually fail, everything does.  When we fall into tyranny, there is no chance to fight it, the tools are there.  The people who built this are the enemies of this country and it's people.


I get that you're scared, but that's not proof of your dire predictions.
 
2013-08-01 10:29:16 AM

Weaver95: LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.

He's not wrong about that.


Maybe you should stay away from this chill pills.
 
2013-08-01 10:29:52 AM

uber humper: LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.

Chill? The government has an absolute window into the lives of every citizen.  I'm not worried about someone watch me jack off.  I'm worried that the potential of political misuse is too great. It will be misused.  There is no doubt.

The country will eventually fail, everything does.  When we fall into tyranny, there is no chance to fight it, the tools are there.  The people who built this are the enemies of this country and it's people.


The Alex Jones padded room is thataway -->
 
2013-08-01 10:30:01 AM

macadamnut: RobertBruce: /if he's smart

If he's smart he'll go back to the airport tomorrow and hop on a plane to Venezuela.


Where at least the weather is better.
 
2013-08-01 10:31:10 AM

LasersHurt: uber humper: LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.

Chill? The government has an absolute window into the lives of every citizen.  I'm not worried about someone watch me jack off.  I'm worried that the potential of political misuse is too great. It will be misused.  There is no doubt.

The country will eventually fail, everything does.  When we fall into tyranny, there is no chance to fight it, the tools are there.  The people who built this are the enemies of this country and it's people.

I get that you're scared, but that's not proof of your dire predictions.


Not proof.  The country is becoming more and more of a police state, everyday. You can't deny that.  Terrorists are less of a threat.
 
2013-08-01 10:31:12 AM

Weaver95: LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.

He's not wrong about that.


I disagree. I think it's ridiculous.
 
2013-08-01 10:33:10 AM

LasersHurt: Weaver95: LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.

He's not wrong about that.

I disagree. I think it's ridiculous.


Look at the trajectory of this surveillance, what is next?  You think this is where it stops?  It will get more insidious.
 
2013-08-01 10:35:55 AM

uber humper: LasersHurt: uber humper: sethstorm: Hopefully he assumes room temperature or ends up in US custody soon, along with his lawyers - preferably alive long enough to be shown as captured.

If I had any chance to turn him in, I would and with pleasure - as one would turn any common criminal.

Make sure to polish your jackboots first.  Your type is the only ones supporting this lying government.  What is there left to trust about the government?

The 10,000 things it does honestly every day? Nah though, better make a jackboots crack to make sure everyone knows that you're above it all.

The problem is: we don't know when it's telling the truth an when it's lying.

Everyone is mostly honest.


LOL
 
2013-08-01 10:35:58 AM

uber humper: Look at the trajectory of this surveillance, what is next?  You think this is where it stops?  It will get more insidious.


Slippery slope is slippery, I get it. I simply still disagree. It's gone public. Scrutiny of the programs grow every day. I just really, really don't believe this will be what takes us down.
 
2013-08-01 10:36:03 AM

navanax: The Alex Jones padded room is thataway -->


You think I'm crazy?  Will you be supporting the government a few years from now when they have even more advanced tools?

It's crazy not to question leadership.
 
2013-08-01 10:36:31 AM
Predict he is found dead within 5 years...
 
2013-08-01 10:37:26 AM

uber humper: LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.

Chill? The government has an absolute window into the lives of every citizen.  I'm not worried about someone watch me jack off.  I'm worried that the potential of political misuse is too great. It will be misused.  There is no doubt.

The country will eventually fail, everything does.  When we fall into tyranny, there is no chance to fight it, the tools are there.  The people who built this are the enemies of this country and it's people.


I don't think most people really give much thought to how badly this little spy system can be abused for petty political gain.
 
2013-08-01 10:39:33 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Faddy: Say what you want but don't be surprised when the rest of the world calls you hypocrites.

teenytinycornteeth: Satanic_Hamster: FormlessOne: Again, it's hard for us to take the moral high road, what with our decade-plus-long history of "extraordinary rendition", illegal prisons, torturing of both domestic and foreign prisoners, and remote-control assassinations. We gave up that moral high road when we decided to act like the folks we claimed we were fighting.

Right.  So the US can shut up about any abuse anywhere, because we no longer have the right to criticize or stop abuses.

Rest of the world; do whatever the fark you want to whomever you want!  FormlessOne says we're not allowed to say anything about it any more.

I must be reading a different post by Formless One.

No one's saying you can't speak out against abuses or violations of human rights, all he's saying is that you should get off your U.S.A! U.S.A! high horse before doing it since no one's hands are completely clean in this arena.

Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye. - Matthew 7:5

Right.

So when Americans (any American) is allowed to criticize massive human rights abuses, including murder by the state, can you let us know?  Maybe send out an email or post a facebook update?


Here let me help you by bolding the important parts.  Just know that when you stand around pointing and laughing at the insanity of these godless backward countries and their primitive, horrific ways of dealing with people you shouldn't be surprised to find them pointing right back.
 
2013-08-01 10:40:52 AM

Weaver95: I don't think most people really give much thought to how badly this little spy system can be abused for petty political gain.


Assuming full corruption, no oversight, and a brazen willingness to commit crimes. And that nobody will fight back. And that if something CAN be misused by breaking the law, we should not do it at all.

That line of logic is inherently flawed, though - unless you have a deep mistrust of Gun Shop Owners because they might break the law, violate their trust, and commit crimes.
 
2013-08-01 10:41:27 AM

LasersHurt: uber humper: Look at the trajectory of this surveillance, what is next?  You think this is where it stops?  It will get more insidious.

Slippery slope is slippery, I get it. I simply still disagree. It's gone public. Scrutiny of the programs grow every day. I just really, really don't believe this will be what takes us down.


If unchecked it will take us down.  To make whistleblowing a less severe crime would be a good start to rebuild trust.  So that when they do lie, there is better chance people will come forward

Without trust, there is nothing.

/"We protect whistleblowers" was just removed from change.gov
 
2013-08-01 10:42:23 AM

uber humper: /"We protect whistleblowers" was just removed from change.gov


To be fair, we no longer have a meaningful definition of "whistleblower." It means whatever the user wants, these days.
 
2013-08-01 10:42:54 AM

Weaver95: I don't think most people really give much thought to how badly this little spy system can be abused for petty political gain.


It's on the front page of every news outlet.

Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.
 
2013-08-01 10:44:19 AM

LasersHurt: uber humper: /"We protect whistleblowers" was just removed from change.gov

To be fair, we no longer have a meaningful definition of "whistleblower." It means whatever the user wants, these days.


Oh, is that it?

Do you think Snowden is a whistle blower?
 
2013-08-01 10:44:46 AM

uber humper: Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.


Can you stop with that stupid shiat? I can't take you seriously.
 
2013-08-01 10:45:30 AM

KellyX: Predict he is found dead within 5 years...


You're going with years?
 
2013-08-01 10:46:56 AM

LasersHurt: uber humper: Look at the trajectory of this surveillance, what is next?  You think this is where it stops?  It will get more insidious.

Slippery slope is slippery, I get it. I simply still disagree. It's gone public. Scrutiny of the programs grow every day. I just really, really don't believe this will be what takes us down.


It's what we don't hear about that bugs me. What else is out there? What are our buddies in the NSA cooking up at this moment? Given our countries history with programs like COINTELPRO and MKULTRA...yeah. It's a valid concern.
 
2013-08-01 10:48:26 AM

LasersHurt: Weaver95: I don't think most people really give much thought to how badly this little spy system can be abused for petty political gain.

Assuming full corruption, no oversight, and a brazen willingness to commit crimes. And that nobody will fight back. And that if something CAN be misused by breaking the law, we should not do it at all.

That line of logic is inherently flawed, though - unless you have a deep mistrust of Gun Shop Owners because they might break the law, violate their trust, and commit crimes.


No, I just remember reading about COINTELPRO and some other little tricks the fedgov has pulled over the years and would rather not give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
2013-08-01 10:49:28 AM

uber humper: Weaver95: I don't think most people really give much thought to how badly this little spy system can be abused for petty political gain.

It's on the front page of every news outlet.

Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.


You really don't pay much attention to history, do you?
 
2013-08-01 10:50:33 AM

LasersHurt: uber humper: Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.

Can you stop with that stupid shiat? I can't take you seriously.


I don't get it.  You are saying everything you can to discredit me who is questioning a lying government.

Do you support lying in government? Silly question, I know, but that is what you are doing.
 
2013-08-01 10:51:09 AM

Great Janitor: tical: graeth: Still don't see why people care so much.
How stupid do you have to be to believe that someone somewhere isn't monitoring or at least recording some kind of information on you.

That justifies its legality? Lets those who break the law, not criminals?

/keep hand waiving
//get out of my country

It's not surprising to know that the U.S. was spying on other nations.
It's not surprising that the U.S. was spying on suspected terrorist cells, known sympathizers in both the U.S. and in other nations
It's not surprising to know that other nations have been spying on the U.S.
It is expected to know that the U.S. government makes it their duty to spy on suspected enemies and known enemies.

What does it mean when the U.S. government is openly spying on it's own citizens?  That the U.S. government thinks of it's own citizens as potential enemies is the answer that I have a hard time avoiding.


The 9/11 attackers lived in this country for some time. It's obvious that we have enemies posing as legitimate Americans and they should be rooted out. It's not McCarthyism. We're not destroying people's lives. We're looking at phone records to save them.
 
2013-08-01 10:51:34 AM

uber humper: LasersHurt: uber humper: Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.

Can you stop with that stupid shiat? I can't take you seriously.

I don't get it.  You are saying everything you can to discredit me who is questioning a lying government.


You keep telling people about their jackboots, and calling them bootlickers. You are doing all of the damage to your credibility, not me.
 
2013-08-01 10:52:06 AM

navanax: graeth: Still don't see why people care so much.
How stupid do you have to be to believe that someone somewhere isn't monitoring or at least recording some kind of information on you.

Better question is  how much of a juvenile narcissist do you have to be to believe anyone cares specifically about what you're up to?


an even BETTER question is "why am i ok with sitting back and taking it like a champ?"

or how bout: "how far up my own ass can i shove my head to make the bad noises stop?"
 
2013-08-01 10:54:17 AM

Weaver95: uber humper: Weaver95: I don't think most people really give much thought to how badly this little spy system can be abused for petty political gain.

It's on the front page of every news outlet.

Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.

You really don't pay much attention to history, do you?


I think this is the beginning of a turnaround.  We just got to make sure it turns around. More and more people who talk about it the better off we are.  The more and more people who question the government, the better off we are. It is being talked about.  The media is doing their job.

History? Yea, I look at the rise and fall of tyrannical governments.  They all start with apathy, then the people eventually push back.
 
2013-08-01 10:55:27 AM

LasersHurt: uber humper: LasersHurt: uber humper: Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.

Can you stop with that stupid shiat? I can't take you seriously.

I don't get it.  You are saying everything you can to discredit me who is questioning a lying government.

You keep telling people about their jackboots, and calling them bootlickers. You are doing all of the damage to your credibility, not me.


Like Snowden has hurt his personal credibility but his info is solid?
 
2013-08-01 10:59:29 AM

uber humper: You keep telling people about their jackboots, and calling them bootlickers. You are doing all of the damage to your credibility, not me.

Like Snowden has hurt his personal credibility but his info is solid?


No, he did it for something important. You're punching yourself in the head in public to convince people to be as worried as you.

And don't get me entirely wrong, you generally seem to get it, or be on the cusp of getting it:

uber humper: I think this is the beginning of a turnaround.  We just got to make sure it turns around. More and more people who talk about it the better off we are.  The more and more people who question the government, the better off we are. It is being talked about.  The media is doing their job.


You recognize that the turnaround is beginning, the importance of people knowing about it, about wearing down apathy... Yet still think it's okay to project this dooming America, and okay to namecall anyone who disagrees.

Just be a little more reasonable, a little slower to start throwing out fearful rhetoric and name calling, and I'd have a lot less problems with what you say.
 
2013-08-01 11:04:08 AM

uber humper: It's on the front page of every news outlet.

Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.


Snowden is on the front page of every news outlet. Mass domestic spying and the literal outsourcing of national security seem to be less newsworthy than Snowden himself.
 
2013-08-01 11:04:35 AM

LasersHurt: You recognize that the turnaround is beginning, the importance of people knowing about it, about wearing down apathy... Yet still think it's okay to project this dooming America, and okay to namecall anyone who disagrees.

Just be a little more reasonable, a little slower to start throwing out fearful rhetoric and name calling, and I'd have a lot less problems with what you say


What will get you to the point that you believe the domestic spying is front page material?  You think it should be on page 7?
 
2013-08-01 11:05:38 AM

uber humper: LasersHurt: You recognize that the turnaround is beginning, the importance of people knowing about it, about wearing down apathy... Yet still think it's okay to project this dooming America, and okay to namecall anyone who disagrees.

Just be a little more reasonable, a little slower to start throwing out fearful rhetoric and name calling, and I'd have a lot less problems with what you say

What will get you to the point that you believe the domestic spying is front page material?  You think it should be on page 7?


Well now I don't even know what conversation we're having anymore.
 
2013-08-01 11:08:30 AM

Weaver95: LasersHurt: uber humper: They built what will destroy this country.

Dude, take a literal chill pill. Relax.

He's not wrong about that.


Seems unfair. It's not like it's the fault of the techs who had the knowledge to put these systems together... they were just following ord<*ERROR 1945 GODWIN FILTER ACTIVE*>
 
2013-08-01 11:11:21 AM

LasersHurt: uber humper: LasersHurt: You recognize that the turnaround is beginning, the importance of people knowing about it, about wearing down apathy... Yet still think it's okay to project this dooming America, and okay to namecall anyone who disagrees.

Just be a little more reasonable, a little slower to start throwing out fearful rhetoric and name calling, and I'd have a lot less problems with what you say

What will get you to the point that you believe the domestic spying is front page material?  You think it should be on page 7?

Well now I don't even know what conversation we're having anymore.


Way back, we started this conversation when I asked why this XKeystoke was not on front page, you said it wasn't farkworthy.  Now it seems like you do believe it's important.
 
2013-08-01 11:12:22 AM

generallyso: uber humper: It's on the front page of every news outlet.

Damn, you're really starting sound like a bootlicker.

Snowden is on the front page of every news outlet. Mass domestic spying and the literal outsourcing of national security seem to be less newsworthy than Snowden himself.


Look closer.  XKeystroke is on the front of cnn, msnbc, et. al.
 
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