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(Journal News)   Federal housing monitor says seven wealthy towns in a) Texas, b) Alabama, c) New York have racist zoning laws. Farkers: No fair, trick question - Alabama doesn't have seven wealthy towns   (lohud.com) divider line 35
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-08-01 08:51:32 AM
I know a trustee of one of those villages. I had no idea I associated with a world-famous segregator.

Apparently the villages are not parties to the case. The county made promises it couldn't keep to get federal housing money. "Give us $20 million and we promise Yuppieville will drop from 2 acre to 1 acre zoning."

TFA: no incentives or mandates for affordable housing

In some states of the Northeast, at least Connecticut and Massachusetts, there is a state mandate. "Affordable" housing is mostly exempt from town zoning rules.
 
2013-08-01 09:26:36 AM
Just one name: Robert Moses.
 
2013-08-01 09:44:44 AM
somebody is looking into the tents and its all the same color inside.
 
2013-08-01 10:17:47 AM
Based on the exploding fert plant we can rule out texas as having zoning laws to begin with...
 
2013-08-01 10:20:15 AM
I lolled.
 
2013-08-01 10:21:33 AM
Are those the 7 towns where more than half the population poops indoors?
 
2013-08-01 10:21:40 AM
I can't imagine why people who own multi-million dollar homes would try to keep out homes with broken down cars and washing machines in the front yard.  Oh, and meth labs, don't forget about meth lab homes.  Give it a rest.  Life will never be equal.
 
2013-08-01 10:27:58 AM
In the North, there's no such thing as bigotry, racial animosity or 'white flight'.  That only exists in the racist and intolerant South.
 
2013-08-01 10:28:31 AM
Nothing like "segregation" is going on there. Classism, sure. Just like everywhere else in this country, and most of the world.

Sorry, but the "Yankees are the biggest racists" crap just won't fly.
 
2013-08-01 10:29:03 AM
I'm glad I am white and wealthy and this doesn't effect me.
 
2013-08-01 10:32:11 AM

Wooly Bully: Nothing like "segregation" is going on there. Classism, sure. Just like everywhere else in this country, and most of the world.


This... they don't want the white poors anywhere near them either.
 
2013-08-01 10:34:37 AM

ThatGuyGreg: Wooly Bully: Nothing like "segregation" is going on there. Classism, sure. Just like everywhere else in this country, and most of the world.

This... they don't want the white poors anywhere near them either.


Yeah green is the color that matters 'round these here parts.

Honestly I'm sympathetic to both sides of the argument.
 
2013-08-01 10:34:49 AM

Headso: Based on the exploding fert plant we can rule out texas as having zoning laws to begin with...


You can't (other than Houston), but you know, whatever.
 
2013-08-01 10:58:27 AM

DubyaHater: I can't imagine why people who own multi-million dollar homes would try to keep out homes with broken down cars and washing machines in the front yard.  Oh, and meth labs, don't forget about meth lab homes.  Give it a rest.  Life will never be equal.


Simply limiting home sizes only guarantees that your meth-cooking renters will be sharing a palatial home that has been subdivided by their owners into illegal rentals.
 
2013-08-01 11:05:12 AM
If your real estate is so valuable that no family who would ever be able to afford to live on it would want to live in a multi-family home, then it doesn't make any sense to build one. Why should a municipality force some developer to put up townhouses that are going to cost $400,000 each and sit empty forever because people shopping in the $400,000 range aren't going to want to smush in between two other families? Or, with respect to what would end up happening due to said market forces, why should a developer be forced to build and sell three $200,000 town houses on land that could fetch $800,000 with a mansion on it?
 
2013-08-01 11:09:13 AM

Wooly Bully: Nothing like "segregation" is going on there. Classism, sure. Just like everywhere else in this country, and most of the world.

Sorry, but the "Yankees are the biggest racists" crap just won't fly.


I bet you're the first in line to defend rich neighborhoods in the South that are predominantly white also. I mean, that would just be fair, right?
 
2013-08-01 11:17:45 AM

Creative Name: Wooly Bully: Nothing like "segregation" is going on there. Classism, sure. Just like everywhere else in this country, and most of the world.

Sorry, but the "Yankees are the biggest racists" crap just won't fly.

I bet you're the first in line to defend rich neighborhoods in the South that are predominantly white also. I mean, that would just be fair, right?


There are no rich neighborhoods in the South.  Just ones that are relatively well off in comparison to the destitution caused by their idiotic cultural and political policies.
 
2013-08-01 11:24:24 AM

Tommy Moo: If your real estate is so valuable that no family who would ever be able to afford to live on it would want to live in a multi-family home, then it doesn't make any sense to build one. Why should a municipality force some developer to put up townhouses that are going to cost $400,000 each and sit empty forever because people shopping in the $400,000 range aren't going to want to smush in between two other families? Or, with respect to what would end up happening due to said market forces, why should a developer be forced to build and sell three $200,000 town houses on land that could fetch $800,000 with a mansion on it?


You've never been to Middleburg, VA.
 
2013-08-01 11:24:46 AM

Tommy Moo: If your real estate is so valuable that no family who would ever be able to afford to live on it would want to live in a multi-family home, then it doesn't make any sense to build one. Why should a municipality force some developer to put up townhouses that are going to cost $400,000 each and sit empty forever because people shopping in the $400,000 range aren't going to want to smush in between two other families? Or, with respect to what would end up happening due to said market forces, why should a developer be forced to build and sell three $200,000 town houses on land that could fetch $800,000 with a mansion on it?


The (oversimplified) backstory on this is that the county accepted some federal housing assistance as part of an affordable housing settlement, and now the feds are saying that they have to do a), b), c) and d) to keep getting the money. The county's position is that they only agreed to a) and b) and what's this e) bullshiat?

The agreement was signed by the preceding (Democratic) county executive, but there's now a Republican county executive - one who's up for re-election this year and who, if he's re-elected, could make trouble for Cuomo in a 2014 governor's race.

Far be it from me to imply that there was a political motive behind the feds' interest in enforcing the agreement, or the county's increasingly vocal biatching about it.
 
2013-08-01 11:30:10 AM

Creative Name: Wooly Bully: Nothing like "segregation" is going on there. Classism, sure. Just like everywhere else in this country, and most of the world.

Sorry, but the "Yankees are the biggest racists" crap just won't fly.

I bet you're the first in line to defend rich neighborhoods in the South that are predominantly white also. I mean, that would just be fair, right?


Since this has nothing to do with what I actually said, I have to assume you're just one of those Southerners who feels the need to stick it to those damn Yankees.
 
2013-08-01 11:36:26 AM

Tommy Moo: If your real estate is so valuable that no family who would ever be able to afford to live on it would want to live in a multi-family home, then it doesn't make any sense to build one. Why should a municipality force some developer to put up townhouses that are going to cost $400,000 each and sit empty forever because people shopping in the $400,000 range aren't going to want to smush in between two other families? Or, with respect to what would end up happening due to said market forces, why should a developer be forced to build and sell three $200,000 town houses on land that could fetch $800,000 with a mansion on it?


because three families' worth of income, property, spending - and the taxes thereon - will better pay for the infrastructure required?
 
2013-08-01 11:51:58 AM

Neighborhood Watch: In the North, there's no such thing as bigotry, racial animosity or 'white flight'.  That only exists in the racist and intolerant South.


I guess you're kidding But in case you are not, please see Gary, IN.  I am fairly certain that that city is a bit north.
 
2013-08-01 11:55:09 AM

Tricky Chicken: Neighborhood Watch: In the North, there's no such thing as bigotry, racial animosity or 'white flight'.  That only exists in the racist and intolerant South.

I guess you're kidding But in case you are not, please see Gary, IN.  I am fairly certain that that city is a bit north.


If by "kidding" you mean "trolling with a straw man", then yes, the race troll (hint: look at the login name) was "kidding".
 
2013-08-01 11:58:23 AM
A former Republican mayor of Austin, who, before cell phones, could drive, hold a car phone in one hand and a big hair brush in another was the most famous for keeping Austin segregated through the power of Realtors™.

Her driving skills alone earned her a job as state Insurance Commissioner.

Her over-the-top marital skills earned her at least six last names, so what you called her was an indication of what decade you became political and when you gave up trying to keep up.

Her daddy was dean of the UT Law School.
 
2013-08-01 11:59:42 AM
People were a lot less racist when the news wasn't pumping racism every day.
 
2013-08-01 12:12:48 PM
But lots of these rich people do provide housing for their low-income employees who maintain their multimillion dollar estates. See Lou Dobbs for a good example.RFLOL
 
2013-08-01 12:30:48 PM
Is the answer "yes"?

/I go with "yes"
 
2013-08-01 01:35:49 PM
That was the first thing I thought, subby: "Wealthy" towns in Alabama? Sure, there might be towns that don't have a trailer park within 15 miles, but I'd hardly consider them "wealthy."
 
2013-08-01 02:35:06 PM

Tricky Chicken: Neighborhood Watch: In the North, there's no such thing as bigotry, racial animosity or 'white flight'.  That only exists in the racist and intolerant South.

I guess you're kidding But in case you are not, please see Gary, IN.  I am fairly certain that that city is a bit north.


I've worked in Gary.  Gary doesn't have white flight.  Gary has everybody flight.  Gary isn't the murder capital anymore because there's no one left to murder.  People tell me that Gary is scary.  Gary is about as scary as Bodie, CA or Centralia, PA.  You should be more afraid of coyotes in Gary than anything else.

You'll have that when the number of people needed to run a steel mill falls about as precipitously as the number of steel mills in your city and your city itself was a company town built by US Steel and named after its founding chairman.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
 
2013-08-01 03:19:52 PM

BitwiseShift: A former Republican mayor of Austin, who, before cell phones, could drive, hold a car phone in one hand and a big hair brush in another was the most famous for keeping Austin segregated through the power of Realtors™.

Her driving skills alone earned her a job as state Insurance Commissioner.

Her over-the-top marital skills earned her at least six last names, so what you called her was an indication of what decade you became political and when you gave up trying to keep up.

Her daddy was dean of the UT Law School.



I don't always date mayors, but when I do, she is the most interesting woman in Texas.

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2013-08-01 04:23:54 PM

Rapmaster2000: Tricky Chicken: Neighborhood Watch: In the North, there's no such thing as bigotry, racial animosity or 'white flight'.  That only exists in the racist and intolerant South.

I guess you're kidding But in case you are not, please see Gary, IN.  I am fairly certain that that city is a bit north.

I've worked in Gary.  Gary doesn't have white flight.  Gary has everybody flight.  Gary isn't the murder capital anymore because there's no one left to murder.  People tell me that Gary is scary.  Gary is about as scary as Bodie, CA or Centralia, PA.  You should be more afraid of coyotes in Gary than anything else.

You'll have that when the number of people needed to run a steel mill falls about as precipitously as the number of steel mills in your city and your city itself was a company town built by US Steel and named after its founding chairman.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket.


I think the white flight in Gary happened in the late 50's to the 60's. When were you working there?  The white folks moved either south to Crown Point, or east to Porter County.
 
2013-08-01 04:50:44 PM
Excuse me, but rich liberals are automatically exempt from such issues.
 
2013-08-01 05:46:25 PM

Silly_Sot: Excuse me, but rich liberals are automatically exempt from such issues.


Westchester's actually pretty evenly divided between R's and D's and there are plenty of conservatives. But it's not like your sort is interested in facts.
 
2013-08-01 07:19:34 PM
Yes, because what poor people need is housing in towns that are largely residential (so not many nearby jobs) and offers little or no public transit (so you will need to have a car).

Genius.
 
2013-08-02 12:25:01 AM
If rich people want to build their own town full of nothing but rich people, who gives a shiat? Let them.
 
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