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2013-08-01 09:35:50 AM
And why not, subby?  We know for certain that they aren't sheltering Osama Bin Laden any more!
 
2013-08-01 10:07:40 AM
...and in other news, India is thrilled.
 
2013-08-01 10:07:57 AM
Fission? Fusion?
/DNRTFA
 
2013-08-01 10:07:58 AM
This time, they're being honest with us.

/did they let the doctor that helped us get bin Laden out of jail yet?
 
2013-08-01 10:08:50 AM
As opposed to an all-out-nuclear war or what?
 
2013-08-01 10:09:36 AM
Well how about your intelligence agency stops harboring our most hated enemy.  Oh, he's dead?  I guess we can be friends again!
 
2013-08-01 10:14:51 AM
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, yada yada
 
2013-08-01 10:14:54 AM
See ya in 2-3 years where they use this new found friendship to their advantage.
 
2013-08-01 10:17:18 AM
Yeah. F*ck that pussy ass diplomacy sh*t!

CARPET BOMB THEM!!!

this is what idiots actually believe...
 
2013-08-01 10:18:46 AM
I don't care. Note that John Kerry is in front of cameras several times per day. Hillary Clinton did her work mostly in the background. Interpretation: John Kerry is prepping for a run for president.
 
2013-08-01 10:21:05 AM

cowgirl toffee: ...and in other news, India is thrilled.


Yeah, we need to dump Pakistan for the other girl with the bigger GDP, if you know what I mean and I think you do.
 
2013-08-01 10:21:14 AM
JoJo Biden is a retard.
Our own Neville Chamberlain.
 
2013-08-01 10:22:20 AM
Fark Pakistan.  Let the Chinese have them.
 
2013-08-01 10:24:49 AM
When we can walk the streets of Pakistan without fear, then we a friends. I don't see that coming though!!

/I don't want to go to Pakistan
//Please no!!
 
2013-08-01 10:25:22 AM

JackieRabbit: I don't care. Note that John Kerry is in front of cameras several times per day. Hillary Clinton did her work mostly in the background. Interpretation: John Kerry is prepping for a run for president.


Nah, I think he's trying to get in the history books as the guy that brokered lasting peace in the middle-east and all that stuff, like a good Kissinger. I think he accepts, and probably doesn't want, the presidency.
 
2013-08-01 10:27:06 AM

gestug: When we can walk the streets of Pakistan without fear, then we a friends. I don't see that coming though!!

/I don't want to go to Pakistan
//Please no!!


It's probably about as safe as walking around certain cities in the US. Perhaps we need to establish diplomatic relations with Detroit.
 
2013-08-01 10:27:37 AM
The ISI couldn't pick Yao Ming out of a lineup consisting of him and 8 Peruvian dwarfs. And Karachi's a f*cking hellhole.

But, we do sort of have to play nice with Pakistan. Nukes, India's neighbor, yadda yadda.
 
2013-08-01 10:27:39 AM

HMS_Blinkin: cowgirl toffee: ...and in other news, India is thrilled.

Yeah, we need to dump Pakistan for the other girl with the bigger GDP, if you know what I mean and I think you do.


You know... if you get a big East German girl... she crush you like grapes.  :P
 
2013-08-01 10:30:11 AM
What could Pakistan possibly offer us except more grief, violence and panic-driven, oppressive third-world value systems?

Why do we even take their phone calls?
 
2013-08-01 10:34:27 AM
to provide $7 billion in assistance to Pakistan over 5 years - said the two countries were serious about overcoming past irritants.


so.. once again we are buying "friendship"   Let me tell you that if you wanted to shift that kind of money my way.. I would actually make a facebook profile and "like" you too..
 
2013-08-01 10:34:34 AM
You know, we could probably give shelter to a lot of homeless people for 7 billion dollars a year.

Just sayin...
 
2013-08-01 10:35:14 AM

airsupport: What could Pakistan possibly offer us except more grief, violence and panic-driven, oppressive third-world value systems?

Why do we even take their phone calls?


The idea is to try to erode the backwards nature of countries like that through interaction. If you want to see what hate and fear based isolation can do to a country simply look at North Korea. It's like in a hostage situation. If you keep the guy talking he's less likely to start hurting people.
 
2013-08-01 10:35:33 AM
I think John Kerry kissed any presidential hopes goodbye with his last campaign.  He had it teed up nice and pretty for him and he whiffed it.
 
2013-08-01 10:43:44 AM
Subby, I hate to tell you this, but a country is not a person and cannot therefore hate something
 
2013-08-01 10:45:57 AM
A sequester at home that stymies social services, basic research/innovation, and prevents our troops from even having fireworks on the 4th of July yet we are able to provide several Muslim nations with fairly generous aid packages.  Glad to see my tax dollars hard at work.
 
2013-08-01 10:48:34 AM
That really isn't a bad thing, Subby, when the alternatives look like

FrancoFile: Fark Pakistan.  Let the Chinese have them.

 
2013-08-01 10:50:33 AM
Well, to be fair, they didn't really know Bin Laden was there. Well, maybe they sorta knew he was there, or maybe somebody thought they knew he was there, but never confirmed it. Or maybe somebody knew he was there, but never told the guys we were talking to that he was there, so in effect, they really did know he was there. Or did they?
 
2013-08-01 10:51:08 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: You know, we could probably give shelter to a lot of homeless people for 7 billion dollars a year.

Just sayin...


Or the Pentagon could buy 71 airplanes.
 
2013-08-01 10:54:32 AM
Torn between two snarks here...

1. To be fair, most of the NON-nuclear powers aren't too fond of you, either.

2. Yes, Subby, Heaven knows it's much better to keep relations as frosty as possible with nuclear powers that don't like you.
 
2013-08-01 10:55:00 AM
We have been with Russia and China for a long time. About to be with Iran too.
 
2013-08-01 11:06:23 AM

Carn: Well how about your intelligence agency stops harboring our most hated enemy.  Oh, he's dead?  I guess we can be friends again!


I'll take a questionable ally rather than a nuclear armed enemy any day. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" as it were.

/sorry if that doesn't fit your chosen narrative about how US foreign policy works
 
2013-08-01 11:06:45 AM
Okay, but don't think for a second you're getting the finest muffins and bagels in all the land.
 
2013-08-01 11:12:25 AM
I own land with uranium deposits.

Happy, happy.
 
2013-08-01 11:16:45 AM

BigNumber12: That really isn't a bad thing, Subby, when the alternatives look like

FrancoFile: Fark Pakistan.  Let the Chinese have them.


I'm more than half-way serious.  We don't get any advantage from being involved with Pakistan.  If the Chinese want to try to buy influence there, let them,  At some point, the Pakistani government has to understand that their actions have consequences.  If huge chunks of their populace want to remain in the 11th century, there's only so much anybody can do.

We should be allied with India; despite all their faults, they are more like us - culturally and politically - than anyone else in the BRICS.  Even the cultural reactionaries in India at least want to be part of the modern economy.

I'm not saying make Pakistan our enemy, but we should stop throwing prestige and money down that sinkhole. We can maintain a hands-off policy when it comes to India-Pakistan conflict, and try to broker fair deals between them.  The Indian Navy is an important player in guaranteeing safe seaways between the Red Sea and Singapore - that's one less chunk of water we'd have to patrol.
 
2013-08-01 11:17:15 AM

Voiceofreason01: /sorry if that doesn't fit your chosen narrative about how US foreign policy works


Lots of Farkers appear to believe that our foreign policy works the same way that their high school social scene does. Cut off anyone who ever says anything unkind to us, until we find ourselves hanging out with Liberia and New Zealand in the office at lunch every day.
 
2013-08-01 11:30:33 AM

FrancoFile: BigNumber12: That really isn't a bad thing, Subby, when the alternatives look like

FrancoFile: Fark Pakistan.  Let the Chinese have them.

I'm more than half-way serious.  We don't get any advantage from being involved with Pakistan.  If the Chinese want to try to buy influence there, let them,  At some point, the Pakistani government has to understand that their actions have consequences.  If huge chunks of their populace want to remain in the 11th century, there's only so much anybody can do.

We should be allied with India; despite all their faults, they are more like us - culturally and politically - than anyone else in the BRICS.  Even the cultural reactionaries in India at least want to be part of the modern economy.

I'm not saying make Pakistan our enemy, but we should stop throwing prestige and money down that sinkhole. We can maintain a hands-off policy when it comes to India-Pakistan conflict, and try to broker fair deals between them.  The Indian Navy is an important player in guaranteeing safe seaways between the Red Sea and Singapore - that's one less chunk of water we'd have to patrol.



Absolutely, and I believe (?) that we're pursuing that India angle pretty hard. But I also think that it's important to make those efforts towards Pakistan. Having a relationship with both sides of that game is much better than allying up with one side and having someone else back the other. That's the reason we're currently still trying to 'win India over' - they belonged to 'the Other Team' during the Cold War. The more reliable allies we can deny to our adversaries, the better - even if those allies don't really contribute fark-all to us.
 
2013-08-01 11:39:25 AM
And in 5 years when that money is gone the place will still look like a shiathole. Give me half of that and ill be your BFF for life.
 
2013-08-01 12:05:32 PM
gestug: When we can walk the streets of Pakistan without fear, then we a friends. I don't see that coming though!!

/I don't want to go to Pakistan
//Please no!!


here to help: It's probably about as safe as walking around certain cities in the US. Perhaps we need to establish diplomatic relations with Detroit.

I think to do that, we need more troop levels in Detroit, maybe as many as are in Pakistan
/with more goats
 
2013-08-01 12:16:31 PM

FrancoFile: Fark Pakistan.  Let the Chinese have them.


They're brown and they're mooslim, so why not? That's three strikes against them.
 
2013-08-01 12:17:34 PM

Krieghund: Old_Chief_Scott: You know, we could probably give shelter to a lot of homeless people for 7 billion dollars a year.

Just sayin...

Or the Pentagon could buy 71 airplanes.


And then we could just bomb them if we felt like it! F*ck this pansy-ass friendship crap!
 
2013-08-01 12:32:29 PM

BigNumber12: FrancoFile: BigNumber12: That really isn't a bad thing, Subby, when the alternatives look like

FrancoFile: Fark Pakistan.  Let the Chinese have them.

I'm more than half-way serious.  We don't get any advantage from being involved with Pakistan.  If the Chinese want to try to buy influence there, let them,  At some point, the Pakistani government has to understand that their actions have consequences.  If huge chunks of their populace want to remain in the 11th century, there's only so much anybody can do.

We should be allied with India; despite all their faults, they are more like us - culturally and politically - than anyone else in the BRICS.  Even the cultural reactionaries in India at least want to be part of the modern economy.

I'm not saying make Pakistan our enemy, but we should stop throwing prestige and money down that sinkhole. We can maintain a hands-off policy when it comes to India-Pakistan conflict, and try to broker fair deals between them.  The Indian Navy is an important player in guaranteeing safe seaways between the Red Sea and Singapore - that's one less chunk of water we'd have to patrol.


Absolutely, and I believe (?) that we're pursuing that India angle pretty hard. But I also think that it's important to make those efforts towards Pakistan. Having a relationship with both sides of that game is much better than allying up with one side and having someone else back the other. That's the reason we're currently still trying to 'win India over' - they belonged to 'the Other Team' during the Cold War. The more reliable allies we can deny to our adversaries, the better - even if those allies don't really contribute fark-all to us.


Not hard enough for me.

Condi Rice visited a couple, and took W along with her once.  I don't see that same emphasis from Obama. 
We also need port visits & joint training exercises.
 
2013-08-01 12:57:02 PM

gestug: I think to do that, we need more troop levels in Detroit, maybe as many as are in Pakistan
/with more goats


Sadly troops in Detroit may not be such a bad idea. It's not like they can afford an effective police force anymore. That whole situation just sucks all around. I feel terrible for the people trapped there. I know some folks are perfectly happy with their lives in Detroit and this isn't meant as a slag to the whole population but they need some freaking help in there. Is it constitutional to send the coast guard in to keep the peace?
 
2013-08-01 01:11:55 PM

FrancoFile: BigNumber12: FrancoFile: BigNumber12: That really isn't a bad thing, Subby, when the alternatives look like

FrancoFile: Fark Pakistan.  Let the Chinese have them.

I'm more than half-way serious.  We don't get any advantage from being involved with Pakistan.  If the Chinese want to try to buy influence there, let them,  At some point, the Pakistani government has to understand that their actions have consequences.  If huge chunks of their populace want to remain in the 11th century, there's only so much anybody can do.

We should be allied with India; despite all their faults, they are more like us - culturally and politically - than anyone else in the BRICS.  Even the cultural reactionaries in India at least want to be part of the modern economy.

I'm not saying make Pakistan our enemy, but we should stop throwing prestige and money down that sinkhole. We can maintain a hands-off policy when it comes to India-Pakistan conflict, and try to broker fair deals between them.  The Indian Navy is an important player in guaranteeing safe seaways between the Red Sea and Singapore - that's one less chunk of water we'd have to patrol.


Absolutely, and I believe (?) that we're pursuing that India angle pretty hard. But I also think that it's important to make those efforts towards Pakistan. Having a relationship with both sides of that game is much better than allying up with one side and having someone else back the other. That's the reason we're currently still trying to 'win India over' - they belonged to 'the Other Team' during the Cold War. The more reliable allies we can deny to our adversaries, the better - even if those allies don't really contribute fark-all to us.

Not hard enough for me.

Condi Rice visited a couple, and took W along with her once.  I don't see that same emphasis from Obama. 
We also need port visits & joint training exercises.


As far as I am concerned, let Russia or China prop up that useless pile next to India. India has over 1 Billion people and is the largest democracy in the world. Sure it has problems (like the whole rapey thing) but what country doesn't. At least their intelligence service isn't actively trying to undermine us in Afghanistan. And they aren't a safe haven for terrorists who are actively trying to bomb us. I say back India full tilt and let Pakistan fend for themselves.
 
2013-08-01 01:12:31 PM

FrancoFile: BigNumber12: FrancoFile: BigNumber12: That really isn't a bad thing, Subby, when the alternatives look like

FrancoFile: Fark Pakistan.  Let the Chinese have them.

I'm more than half-way serious.  We don't get any advantage from being involved with Pakistan.  If the Chinese want to try to buy influence there, let them,  At some point, the Pakistani government has to understand that their actions have consequences.  If huge chunks of their populace want to remain in the 11th century, there's only so much anybody can do.

We should be allied with India; despite all their faults, they are more like us - culturally and politically - than anyone else in the BRICS.  Even the cultural reactionaries in India at least want to be part of the modern economy.

I'm not saying make Pakistan our enemy, but we should stop throwing prestige and money down that sinkhole. We can maintain a hands-off policy when it comes to India-Pakistan conflict, and try to broker fair deals between them.  The Indian Navy is an important player in guaranteeing safe seaways between the Red Sea and Singapore - that's one less chunk of water we'd have to patrol.


Absolutely, and I believe (?) that we're pursuing that India angle pretty hard. But I also think that it's important to make those efforts towards Pakistan. Having a relationship with both sides of that game is much better than allying up with one side and having someone else back the other. That's the reason we're currently still trying to 'win India over' - they belonged to 'the Other Team' during the Cold War. The more reliable allies we can deny to our adversaries, the better - even if those allies don't really contribute fark-all to us.

Not hard enough for me.

Condi Rice visited a couple, and took W along with her once.  I don't see that same emphasis from Obama. 
We also need port visits & joint training exercises.


The smart play would be to work on relationships with BOTH countries.  The U.S. doesn't intimidate anyone anymore, but they sure as hell can leverage buying power.  Trade alliances and security cooperation alliances are going to determine the Superpowers of the 21st century.  The more a antion depends on its exprts to you, the more cooperation you'll get on other fronts.
 
2013-08-01 01:42:00 PM

Voiceofreason01: Carn: Well how about your intelligence agency stops harboring our most hated enemy.  Oh, he's dead?  I guess we can be friends again!

I'll take a questionable ally rather than a nuclear armed enemy any day. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" as it were.

/sorry if that doesn't fit your chosen narrative about how US foreign policy works


I'm not saying this is a bad move, just adding some snark.
 
2013-08-01 03:37:11 PM

FrancoFile: Not hard enough for me.

Condi Rice visited a couple, and took W along with her once. I don't see that same emphasis from Obama.
We also need port visits & joint training exercises.


Agree again. If we can lure India away from Russia's influence, and back their checking China's growing regional clout (along with Japan and Worst Korea) - then all the better for us.

We'll probably have to supply India with some sweet ass-missiles, though, to wean them off of that sweet Russian teat.
 
2013-08-01 03:43:17 PM

Highroller48: The smart play would be to work on relationships with BOTH countries.


Yep, that's what I'm saying. We need friends (or "friends") everywhere if we're going to avoid (or at least slow) transition away from a monopolar world.

Highroller48: The U.S. doesn't intimidate anyone anymore


You might be surprised. Public rhetoric is one thing, but when shiat gets real... our usually-critical "allies" deny airspace to diplomatic planes for us, and our "enemies" scramble for tools to prevent invasion.
 
2013-08-02 10:14:46 AM

airsupport: What could Pakistan possibly offer us except more grief, violence and panic-driven, oppressive third-world value systems?

Why do we even take their phone calls?


Take a look at a map of the middle east. Notice where Iraq and Afghanistan are? Now look at where our middle-eastern "allies" are: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwait, Turkey, Jordan, UAE. Notice anything about the geography that might make it worthwhile to keep our oppressive military muslim dictatorship allies in the "friends" column, while we work on taking out the oppressive military muslim dictatorship currently in the "enemies" column?

Also kind of shows why Syria is a concern right now, and why a lot of people roll their eyes when "he's a brutal dictator" is used as a reason for invasions.

It's been about resource control since at least the 1920's.
 
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