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(NBC News)   30% of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans have mulled suicide. Only 4% have mulled cider   (usnews.nbcnews.com ) divider line
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2013-08-01 08:08:06 AM  
suicide is painless,
It brings on many changes,
and I can take or leave it if you please

/nice headline, subs
 
2013-08-01 08:22:26 AM  
Whatever.  I'm willing to bet that 30% of the general public has also considered suicide and 30% of those who haven't served overseas have considered suicide.  The military suicide rates aren't all that far out of the norm.

/sitting in Kandahar right now
//yes, this place does suck balls
 
2013-08-01 09:04:18 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Whatever.  I'm willing to bet that 30% of the general public has also considered suicide and 30% of those who haven't served overseas have considered suicide.  The military suicide rates aren't all that far out of the norm.

/sitting in Kandahar right now
//yes, this place does suck balls


funny you should say that. The military suicide rate is actually LOWER than the general population.

/I'll post the article if I can find it again.
 
2013-08-01 09:07:15 AM  
That's not unusual when the sense of being humiliated and having sold your humanity in the guise of serving your country for no good reason begin to set in.
Pointless kabuki dance of global realpolitik is pointless for the serfs, who pay for it in blood and treasure.
 
2013-08-01 09:07:36 AM  
Not enough people to rape, apparently.
 
2013-08-01 09:07:40 AM  
That seems low.
 
2013-08-01 09:08:09 AM  
scrapetv.com
 
2013-08-01 09:08:09 AM  
How many have mullets?
 
2013-08-01 09:09:08 AM  
How many have Martin Mulled?
 
2013-08-01 09:09:15 AM  

Vertdang: CPT Ethanolic: Whatever.  I'm willing to bet that 30% of the general public has also considered suicide and 30% of those who haven't served overseas have considered suicide.  The military suicide rates aren't all that far out of the norm.

/sitting in Kandahar right now
//yes, this place does suck balls

funny you should say that. The military suicide rate is actually LOWER than the general population.

/I'll post the article if I can find it again.



That's interesting - please do post a link to the article. You'd think easy access to firearms (no, I'm not trying to turn this into a gun thread), high stress, and separation from their usual support network of family and friends would result in a higher rate.

But I agree with everyone else in this thread that some context is needed for this "30% contemplated suicide" statistic.
 
2013-08-01 09:09:40 AM  
If they knew you added spiced rum to it, maybe more of them would consider the latter.
 
2013-08-01 09:11:30 AM  

Vertdang: CPT Ethanolic: Whatever.  I'm willing to bet that 30% of the general public has also considered suicide and 30% of those who haven't served overseas have considered suicide.  The military suicide rates aren't all that far out of the norm.

/sitting in Kandahar right now
//yes, this place does suck balls

funny you should say that. The military suicide rate is actually LOWER than the general population.

/I'll post the article if I can find it again.


That sucks so much. Why was the WW2 war effort so different from Iraq/Afghanistan? Why are our soldiers so isolated and marginalized?

And I wouldn't trust the military bureaucracy either. Veteran care backlogs + recent stories of reporting rape and being hounded out of the service and out of benefits? Yeah, not a system that's really working.

I don't have personal knowledge of suicide rates, but the article mentions 2, 5000-person studies that disagree with you on rates. "By contrast, 3.3 percent of the U.S. population over the age of 18 has considered suicide during the past 12 months, and 13.5 percent of American adults has weighed the option of killing themselves during their lifetime, according to two AAS studies that each involved about 5,000 participants. (Berman cautioned that comparing the suicide-ideation rate among veterans with that of the general population is tricky math given that most people who served in the recent wars tend to be under age 40 and suicide rates are higher among younger people)."

13.5 vs 30 seems like quite a difference.
 
2013-08-01 09:12:47 AM  

somedude210: suicide is painless,


Depends on what setting you put the booth on...

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-01 09:15:08 AM  
They compare suicide rates of the soldiers which are usually between a certain age bracket with the suicide rate of the entire population age 18 and older.

Also you have to wonder how many soldiers want to try to game the system.... Can they collect disability for PTSD

Haven't disability claims gone up across the board civilian population included?
 
2013-08-01 09:16:28 AM  
Yossarian approves.
 
2013-08-01 09:19:50 AM  
Almost like pointless wars of aggression have consequences; who woulda thunk it?
 
2013-08-01 09:20:10 AM  
I only mulled suicide until 2003, and didn't deploy until 2009.  Can't say the same for one of the guys in my squad.

/R.I.P. Brother
//20 is too young.
 
2013-08-01 10:05:23 AM  

tentaculistic: Vertdang: CPT Ethanolic: Whatever.  I'm willing to bet that 30% of the general public has also considered suicide and 30% of those who haven't served overseas have considered suicide.  The military suicide rates aren't all that far out of the norm.

/sitting in Kandahar right now
//yes, this place does suck balls

funny you should say that. The military suicide rate is actually LOWER than the general population.

/I'll post the article if I can find it again.

That sucks so much. Why was the WW2 war effort so different from Iraq/Afghanistan? Why are our soldiers so isolated and marginalized?

And I wouldn't trust the military bureaucracy either. Veteran care backlogs + recent stories of reporting rape and being hounded out of the service and out of benefits? Yeah, not a system that's really working.

I don't have personal knowledge of suicide rates, but the article mentions 2, 5000-person studies that disagree with you on rates. "By contrast, 3.3 percent of the U.S. population over the age of 18 has considered suicide during the past 12 months, and 13.5 percent of American adults has weighed the option of killing themselves during their lifetime, according to two AAS studies that each involved about 5,000 participants. (Berman cautioned that comparing the suicide-ideation rate among veterans with that of the general population is tricky math given that most people who served in the recent wars tend to be under age 40 and suicide rates are higher among younger people)."

13.5 vs 30 seems like quite a difference.


It is quite a difference, but age can make a huge difference.

/Irrelevant CSB from "How to Lie with Statistics": The US Navy once advertised that the death rate in the Navy during the Spanish American war was lower than that of the general population. This was true if you used the entire population, but not if you compared the death rate in the Navy to young, healthy men in the general population.
 
2013-08-01 10:57:33 AM  

Vertdang: CPT Ethanolic: Whatever.  I'm willing to bet that 30% of the general public has also considered suicide and 30% of those who haven't served overseas have considered suicide.  The military suicide rates aren't all that far out of the norm.

/sitting in Kandahar right now
//yes, this place does suck balls

funny you should say that. The military suicide rate is actually LOWER than the general population.

/I'll post the article if I can find it again.


I remember hearing the same thing, but not seeing hard data.  There has been a big push in the past few years to get the rate lower (awful AFN commercials not withstanding).

We had one crew member off himself, right before I got to the boat.  It was a perfect storm of hazing and a chain of command that reacted exactly the wrong way, and then put him on watch with a loaded weapon.  Awful

//Greetings from Herat province, CPT, just a little bit north of you
 
2013-08-01 12:50:00 PM  
Who hasn't thought about suicide?  Anytime we are going to do stuff with the certain people that are friends of the GF, I have to fight the urge to drive the car off the road and into a tree.
 
2013-08-01 01:26:51 PM  

draypresct: /Irrelevant CSB from "How to Lie with Statistics": The US Navy once advertised that the death rate in the Navy during the Spanish American war was lower than that of the general population. This was true if you used the entire population, but not if you compared the death rate in the Navy to young, healthy men in the general population.


And of course, the death rate for the American navy in the Spanish American was also rather low.  Spain was not able to do much of anything in that rather quick and lopsided war.    Meanwhile if I recall correctly, the war that were recruiting for was WWI, the worst war in human history up to that point.   And as the war was three years old by the time the U.S. got in it, they knew it was a nasty war and they knew of the risk of U-boats.
 
2013-08-01 04:46:27 PM  
Men were tougher 30 years ago.

SUPRISE!
 
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