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(The New York Times)   For $100 million dollars you too can compete in the America's Cup Race in winged, carbon fiber catamarans speeding along at 20 miles per hour when they hydroplane and the speeds go up to 50 mph   (nytimes.com) divider line 35
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2013-08-01 09:31:15 AM  
But after winning the last cup in Valencia, Spain, in 2010, Larry Ellison, the billionaire software mogul and the owner of Oracle Team USA, pushed for changes to try to make things more exciting and spectator-friendly.

Larry Ellison, the world's richest attention whore.
 
2013-08-01 10:58:17 AM  
And succeeded in finally killing the thing. The rest of the 2010 roster is setting up a better attended wildcat competition that will soon become the premier one.
 
2013-08-01 10:59:04 AM  
Is it just OK to say that in the age of mobile computing devices, people are less thrilled about watching sail boats race?
 
2013-08-01 10:59:13 AM  
that headline just gave me a migrane
 
2013-08-01 11:01:23 AM  
John Rousmaniere, who writes about sailing and the history of the America's Cup, describes them as "Indy cars without brakes."

Or engines.  Or the capability to go at speeds of 230+ mph.  But other than that exactly the same.
 
2013-08-01 11:16:32 AM  
Basically you have a "Sport" with the idiotic rule that the winner of the last race gets to set all the rules for the next one including what the boats have to look like.   And since a billionaire won the last one, he made the rules in such a way that anyone without $100 million or so in spare cash to burn couldn't really compete in this one.  And surprise, surprise in this post-recession world there are only 3 teams that have entered so far, making the even a huge bust for San Francisco which sank a lot of cash in waterfront improvements based on  the expected tourist windfall which isn't materializing a race that statrs witht eh quarterfinals is pretty boring to watch
 
2013-08-01 11:21:50 AM  
I forgot that race was even a thing.
 
2013-08-01 11:28:05 AM  

This text is now purple: And succeeded in finally killing the thing. The rest of the 2010 roster is setting up a better attended wildcat competition that will soon become the premier one.


Pretty much this.
 
2013-08-01 11:38:55 AM  
That headline was oddly worded and confusing with odd words but it was also a headline that causes headaches in the head.
 
2013-08-01 11:42:40 AM  
For $5 a month, you too can just accidentally burtationed the whole boat and the headline goes to potato
 
2013-08-01 11:48:50 AM  
I hit 50mph on a bicycle in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Didn't even need a boat or to clean out my 4,000 closest friends' retirement accounts.

Them sailboats sure are pretty, though.
 
2013-08-01 11:51:34 AM  
I got eleven cents what says subbie's handle is Magorn.
 
2013-08-01 11:55:15 AM  

jaybeezey: Is it just OK to say that in the age of mobile computing devices, people are less thrilled about watching sail boats race?


Tons of sailing enthusiasts out there - have you looked at a local marina and tallied the investment lying at the slips? A well-run America's Cup could attract serious interest from a consumer group who's already conditioned to parting with cash in a fairly serious manner.

It's just that Ellison - who has money to burn -has designed the race so it ridiculouslyfavors those who have money to burn. (Big surprise.) And so you get an event where hardly anyone competes. The parallel event - the Louis Vuitton Cup - has had to hold one-boat races against the clock, and that doesn't put bums on seats.

Mobile computing devices have little to do with it.
 
2013-08-01 12:09:58 PM  

dofus: I got eleven cents what says subbie's handle is Magorn.


Nope.  Pay the man.   If it'd been one of mine it would have also had a misspelling.....
 
2013-08-01 12:12:06 PM  
I would love to be in one of these boats heeled over on a port tack, then we jibe to a starboard tack and the wings on the keel start to hydroplane.  Let's go twice as fast as the hull can do under sail!  Go Go Go!  We can only do this on a broad reach or running.  Let's do this!
 
2013-08-01 12:15:06 PM  

Aquapope: I would love to be in one of these boats heeled over on a port tack, then we jibe to a starboard tack and the wings on the keel start to hydroplane.  Let's go twice as fast as the hull can do under sail!  Go Go Go!  We can only do this on a broad reach or running.  Let's do this!


but see, at that point, is it even really a Sail boat anymore?

/ Being at the helm of a big (60')  boat under full sail was one of the highlight experiences of my life
 
2013-08-01 12:16:14 PM  

swankywanky: that headline just gave me a migrane


and it just goes migranier from there
 
2013-08-01 12:17:41 PM  
Conversely, you could burn trailers made from stacks of twenty-dollar bills and try to extinguish it by alternatively pissing and ejaculating on it.

Really, it's a sameness.
 
2013-08-01 12:23:31 PM  

jaybeezey: Is it just OK to say that in the age of mobile computing devices, people are less thrilled about watching sail boats race?


P. J. O'Rourke said it best:
The America's Cup is like driving your Lamborghini to the Grand Prix track to watch the charter buses race.

Holidays in Hell (1989)
 
2013-08-01 12:29:06 PM  

Magorn: Aquapope: I would love to be in one of these boats heeled over on a port tack, then we jibe to a starboard tack and the wings on the keel start to hydroplane.  Let's go twice as fast as the hull can do under sail!  Go Go Go!  We can only do this on a broad reach or running.  Let's do this!

but see, at that point, is it even really a Sail boat anymore?

/ Being at the helm of a big (60')  boat under full sail was one of the highlight experiences of my life


Not true.  The shape of the hull is just as much "sailing" as the sheets, lines and sails.  A hull has a max speed, regardless of the sails you put up.  There are hulls for ocean, and hulls for coast.  A wide hull is comfort and may be better in the bad, but a thin hull may get you out before the question's had.
 
2013-08-01 12:39:03 PM  
Unless you get roaring (and I do mean roaring) drunk at the awards ceremony, really not that entertaining

graphics8.nytimes.com

Ted Turner famously showed up drunk at his victory press conference in 1977 after winning the cup withCourageous. Turner was very amusing, but he did not really fit the laughable-billionaire pattern. For one thing, he won the cup during his pre-billionaire days, before he founded CNN. And he won it by skippering his own boat. Most sea-going plutocrats serve mainly as ballast when they're not writing checks.
 
2013-08-01 12:44:09 PM  
Trickle down at work.
 
2013-08-01 12:54:58 PM  
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Oh please, of course you barbarians wouldn't know the first thing of witnessing the grace, honor, and tradition of an exciting yacht race.  Go back to your footballs, big wheeled trucks, and beer. Let the grown ups worry about the important things in life.
 
2013-08-01 01:18:00 PM  
The moon just off the horizon, the wind just a little to port.  Billie Holiday lamenting' "God bless the child" from down below. So you turn the wheel hard over to starboard, then back again to catch a tight tack (you know you can only do it for a few minutes because that spit of land ahead will kill you).  Then Billie starts singing about strange fruit...turn to starboard and run... and drink some beers.
 
2013-08-01 01:27:48 PM  
www.redlineoil.com
 
2013-08-01 03:02:39 PM  
If it floats, flies or f--ks, rent it.

Words of wisdom from the local boat mechanic.
 
2013-08-01 03:39:33 PM  

dofus: I got eleven cents what says subbie's handle is Magorn.


Blame me for the headaches.

Since I'm just a landlubber that likes flying and likes San Francisco, I think the new boats are pretty awesome, and that holding the race within the bay within sight of bleachers is also a great idea.

Sort of a shame that it got too expensive and there are only three boats.

Regarding the headline, yeah, it certainly could use cleaning up, but I was actually confused by the article, will the speeds of the boats be more like 20 mph, or more like 50 mph.  I'm also pretty curious what happens to their speed when running downwind.  Will they be flying spinnakers or does their winged design make spinnakers obsolete?
 
2013-08-01 03:56:10 PM  
What America's Cup marketing department wants you to think:

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The reality of America's Cup:

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2013-08-01 06:05:19 PM  

Aquapope: Magorn: Aquapope: I would love to be in one of these boats heeled over on a port tack, then we jibe to a starboard tack and the wings on the keel start to hydroplane.  Let's go twice as fast as the hull can do under sail!  Go Go Go!  We can only do this on a broad reach or running.  Let's do this!

but see, at that point, is it even really a Sail boat anymore?

/ Being at the helm of a big (60')  boat under full sail was one of the highlight experiences of my life

Not true.  The shape of the hull is just as much "sailing" as the sheets, lines and sails.  A hull has a max speed, regardless of the sails you put up.  There are hulls for ocean, and hulls for coast.  A wide hull is comfort and may be better in the bad, but a thin hull may get you out before the question's had.


Not quite. A displacement hull has a maximum speed, but once it's out of the water, planing or running as a hydrofoil, the top speed is dependent on power.
 
2013-08-01 06:13:33 PM  

RoyBatty: dofus: I got eleven cents what says subbie's handle is Magorn.

Blame me for the headaches.

Since I'm just a landlubber that likes flying and likes San Francisco, I think the new boats are pretty awesome, and that holding the race within the bay within sight of bleachers is also a great idea.

Sort of a shame that it got too expensive and there are only three boats.

Regarding the headline, yeah, it certainly could use cleaning up, but I was actually confused by the article, will the speeds of the boats be more like 20 mph, or more like 50 mph.  I'm also pretty curious what happens to their speed when running downwind.  Will they be flying spinnakers or does their winged design make spinnakers obsolete?


No spinnakers.  Just a headsail and a wing sail.  No sail changes whatsoever. They go downwind faster than the wind.  They go upwind faster than the wind.
 
2013-08-01 06:43:43 PM  

BolivarShagnasty: RoyBatty: dofus: I got eleven cents what says subbie's handle is Magorn.

Blame me for the headaches.

Since I'm just a landlubber that likes flying and likes San Francisco, I think the new boats are pretty awesome, and that holding the race within the bay within sight of bleachers is also a great idea.

Sort of a shame that it got too expensive and there are only three boats.

Regarding the headline, yeah, it certainly could use cleaning up, but I was actually confused by the article, will the speeds of the boats be more like 20 mph, or more like 50 mph.  I'm also pretty curious what happens to their speed when running downwind.  Will they be flying spinnakers or does their winged design make spinnakers obsolete?

No spinnakers.  Just a headsail and a wing sail.  No sail changes whatsoever. They go downwind faster than the wind.  They go upwind faster than the wind.


Well I'll miss the spinnakers, but I would love to see the race.

There should be so many amazingly great places to watch it from too, although at 20 - 50 mph, it seems like a very short race course.

blog.sfgate.com
 
2013-08-01 09:12:23 PM  
This year's Cup is, in my mind, a classic "great idea in theory, but not in practice" deal. Those boats are really something else to watch on the water. But as it's been pointed out already, they're ridiculously expensive to make and thus; the field is far smaller than previous Cups. Oh, and least we forget; a boat farking killed a sailor a few weeks ago!

Maybe when it's all over; it will be looked at differently but for right now, what should've been an exciting series of races has been a major dud.
 
2013-08-01 09:28:47 PM  
That headline my head it gave an ache.
 
2013-08-01 10:30:28 PM  
$ubby is a dumba$$.  The $ actually has meaning, believe it or not...
 
2013-08-01 10:48:57 PM  
It was pretty funny watching Ellison's boat get blown down, sucked through the Golden Gate, and trashed.

As if the SF Bay itself said "How about NO?"
 
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