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(BBC)   Yet another newspaper website vanishes behind a paywall. The Sun isn't there   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 49
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2013-08-01 08:41:43 AM
kristinhoppe.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-01 08:43:21 AM
I sorta understand trying to make revenue, especially with all the article scraping that goes on. But somehow I think they're severely overestimating their figures on how much people will pay to get their content. Hint: nobody that knows how to get comparable content for free.
 
2013-08-01 08:45:51 AM
Sun is a newspaper?

/Tabloids are not newspapers
 
2013-08-01 08:46:30 AM
So where am I going to find topless women with nice breasts on the internet for free?
 
2013-08-01 08:46:48 AM
No more smokin hot ....

... errr, never mind.
 
2013-08-01 08:47:28 AM
Gainesville Sun is no longer "there". Limit 5 articles per month.
 
2013-08-01 08:47:35 AM
So sad that the Sun has been eclipsed by greedy morons


 /not really
//(imokwiththis.jpg)
 
2013-08-01 08:48:20 AM

SecretAgentWoman: [kristinhoppe.files.wordpress.com image 299x156]


mayIFark: Sun is a newspaper?

/Tabloids are not newspapers


These.
 
2013-08-01 08:48:49 AM
Can we please put the dailyfail behind a paywall? Preferable one that that allows 0 free articles a month and linking to it instantly reboots your computer
 
2013-08-01 08:48:52 AM
But how will Fark survive without them? Is the Daily Fail really enough to provide our supply of fugly-ass "hot" teachers sleeping with students?
 
2013-08-01 08:49:10 AM
In other news, Fark link submissions are down 75%.
 
2013-08-01 08:49:48 AM
 
2013-08-01 08:50:23 AM
You enjoy life behind that wall.
I won't be there.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-01 08:50:38 AM
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2013-08-01 08:52:29 AM

Carth: Can we please put the dailyfail behind a paywall? Preferable one that that allows 0 free articles a month and linking to it instantly reboots your computer


And the New York Post while we're at it.
 
2013-08-01 08:52:57 AM
Once again capitalism fails. Infinite supply means the product is worthless, therefore the only solution is to artificially restrict the supply.
 
2013-08-01 08:53:06 AM

Pick: Gainesville Sun is no longer "there". Limit 5 articles per month.


Set your browser to private and you should be able to get by that. Works on any of those sites that say "Enjoy free articles for 30 days".
 
2013-08-01 08:53:57 AM
/Simon Cowell cuckolded a dude. HAW-HAW.
 
2013-08-01 08:54:27 AM
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2013-08-01 08:54:29 AM
I can see in the near future that every other Fark link will go to an Opposing Views article.
 
2013-08-01 08:55:17 AM
No paywall = more FARK traffic redirected to your site.
More FARK traffic redirected to your site = Thoughts that you have a real commodity.
Thoughts that you have a real commodity = paywall.
Paywall = less traffic.
Wipe hands on pants.
 
2013-08-01 08:56:59 AM

SecretAgentWoman:


Done in one.
 
2013-08-01 08:59:37 AM
This is why I don't use ad-block.  I just scrunch in my browser window so I don't see the ads on the side of the screen and it works out well for me.
 
2013-08-01 08:59:58 AM
Gonna miss the "Page 3" titties!!!
 
2013-08-01 09:01:40 AM

BR549: Gonna miss the "Page 3" titties!!!


I know it is a shame there are no other naked people on the internet. The Sun really has people over a barrel here.
 
2013-08-01 09:06:30 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Once again capitalism fails. Infinite supply means the product is worthless, therefore the only solution is to artificially restrict the supply.


It's not a solution. Newspapers have been trying this for a decade now and it keeps not working.

Speaking of restricting supply, I'd love it if I could restrict the supply of Chicago Tribune and Sun-Times newspapers being delivered to my door. I cancelled both subscriptions 7 years ago, but they just won't stop.

/Artificially inflating circulation
//Like dead people voting, It's the Chicago way
 
2013-08-01 09:07:53 AM

Lady Indica: And nothing of value was lost.


Whatever shall we use to wrap our virtual fish?
 
2013-08-01 09:08:23 AM
So...?
 
2013-08-01 09:09:23 AM
scottydoesntknow: Thanks! That works.
 
2013-08-01 09:10:01 AM
I would have never heard of the Sun if it wasn't for Fark. Goodbye Sun, hardly knew ya.
 
2013-08-01 09:10:49 AM

scottydoesntknow: Pick: Gainesville Sun is no longer "there". Limit 5 articles per month.

Set your browser to private and you should be able to get by that. Works on any of those sites that say "Enjoy free articles for 30 days".


This.  Often you can block the paywall with adblock by adding it to the list of blocked items.
 
2013-08-01 09:10:50 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: SecretAgentWoman: [kristinhoppe.files.wordpress.com image 299x156]

mayIFark: Sun is a newspaper?

/Tabloids are not newspapers

These.


Yes, headline should be "Yet another celebrity gossip website vanishes behind a paywall"
 
2013-08-01 09:11:50 AM
I'd rather dip my nuts into a bacon slicer than pay to access that site, I usually only ended up there by accident anyway.

I would have thought they would have been happy with the click through rate and put some adverts up to make some money on it.
 
2013-08-01 09:12:43 AM
One one hand, I can't believe paywalls can work - on the other hand, I pay for TF, which is essentially a paywall that lets me see the rest of the content.

Working for a newspaper that decided not to take the paywall approach, and to instead build a new ad based revenue stream, I am biased. When newspapers were print only, advertising paid for the content, and reader purchases (subscribers, newsstands, etc) paid for printing and distribution. Since ad revenue is down, they are trying to get the readers to pay for content, which was always free. Readers pay for distribution, whether to a newspaper or to an ISP.

Paywall is a problem, because the model was never pay to read, and never will be.

Make a good stage for the content creators (better paper, better pics, better storytelling tools, and now better platforms such as web and tablet) and your talent can tell a great story (medium is the message and all that) - Have a great story told from a great stage, and you get an audience. Get an audience, and you can get advertisers targeting them.

Paywall breaks that model, and instead allows for an ok stage that only a limited few can access, and tands to favour bloggers posting on volume (so you can say that you offer true 24/7 news, and hundreds of articles per day). Some opinion/editorial/analysis based journals can do well, because the readers are willing to pay for the great story, but they are buying something special, not just the same stuff I can find on any free aggregator.
 
2013-08-01 09:14:14 AM
Of course Fark wouldn't be happy about losing another free source of content. But newspapers, what's left of them, have to make money too. Advertising is falling fast. Charging for access used to be automatic when people had to pick up a hard copy at the store or paid for delivery to their door. Now everyone expects it all for free, and they can largely get it in some form on the Internet. This doesn't bode well for newspapers, obviously.

But Fark also has to seek sources of revenue. I use Firefox with Ad-Block and every time I visit this site, I now get this message at the top of my screen:

Fark feeds our squirrel with revenue from ads, please whitelist us in adblock/noscript/your-ad-blocker-of-choice! (
 
2013-08-01 09:20:07 AM
I guess they feel they don't get enough traffic driven to them by FARK.com to worry about any fallout.

And now they'll be getting even less.
 
2013-08-01 09:23:27 AM

montreal_medic: One one hand, I can't believe paywalls can work - on the other hand, I pay for TF, which is essentially a paywall that lets me see the rest of the content.

Working for a newspaper that decided not to take the paywall approach, and to instead build a new ad based revenue stream, I am biased. When newspapers were print only, advertising paid for the content, and reader purchases (subscribers, newsstands, etc) paid for printing and distribution. Since ad revenue is down, they are trying to get the readers to pay for content, which was always free. Readers pay for distribution, whether to a newspaper or to an ISP.

Paywall is a problem, because the model was never pay to read, and never will be.

Make a good stage for the content creators (better paper, better pics, better storytelling tools, and now better platforms such as web and tablet) and your talent can tell a great story (medium is the message and all that) - Have a great story told from a great stage, and you get an audience. Get an audience, and you can get advertisers targeting them.

Paywall breaks that model, and instead allows for an ok stage that only a limited few can access, and tands to favour bloggers posting on volume (so you can say that you offer true 24/7 news, and hundreds of articles per day). Some opinion/editorial/analysis based journals can do well, because the readers are willing to pay for the great story, but they are buying something special, not just the same stuff I can find on any free aggregator.


And that's a big part of newspapers' death spiral. Revenue is dropping so they react by slashing staff, like reporters. The fewer local reporters there are, the more wire copy that fills the pages. So much of that wire copy is available from some source for free on the Internet that there's less incentive for people to pay for a newspaper or online content.
 
2013-08-01 10:41:37 AM

meanmutton: This is why I don't use ad-block.  I just scrunch in my browser window so I don't see the ads on the side of the screen and it works out well for me.


There is a way for advertisers to get around ad-block. Put the ads on the actual site that people are viewing instead of from ad serving sites. My biggest problem with ads is not about seeing them, it's about the lag time they take to load from the ad sites that keeps you from viewing the article you are there to read. It's really annoying to start reading an article, then having the page reset to the top when the ads are done loading.
 
2013-08-01 10:43:59 AM

SordidEuphemism: Lady Indica: And nothing of value was lost.

Whatever shall we use to wrap our virtual fish?


We still have the Daily Mail.

/it stinks more than the virtual fish!
//tah dah dum dum
 
2013-08-01 11:13:32 AM
So does this mean Drew will stop taking money from them to green their links?
 
2013-08-01 11:30:04 AM

SecretAgentWoman: [kristinhoppe.files.wordpress.com image 299x156]


Done in one.
 
2013-08-01 11:56:39 AM
Local paper here started a paywall earlier this year, with a limit of 7 free articles a month. I just keep all the cookies related to the paper and its parent company deleted, and the free articles reset.

I wonder how many local folks are actually PAYING for online access.
 
2013-08-01 12:23:56 PM

ucan'tcmee: Of course Fark wouldn't be happy about losing another free source of content. But newspapers, what's left of them, have to make money too. Advertising is falling fast. Charging for access used to be automatic when people had to pick up a hard copy at the store or paid for delivery to their door. Now everyone expects it all for free, and they can largely get it in some form on the Internet. This doesn't bode well for newspapers, obviously.

But Fark also has to seek sources of revenue. I use Firefox with Ad-Block and every time I visit this site, I now get this message at the top of my screen:

Fark feeds our squirrel with revenue from ads, please whitelist us in adblock/noscript/your-ad-blocker-of-choice! (


I disabled it for Fark.com and I still get the "Fark feeds our squirrel with revenue from ads, please whitelist us in adblock/noscript/your-ad-blocker-of-choice!" message.
 
2013-08-01 01:06:50 PM
Bwahahahhahahhaha

Toggle your user agent to a google scraper and instant full access.
 
2013-08-01 01:48:32 PM

sheep snorter: Bwahahahhahahhaha

Toggle your user agent to a google scraper and instant full access.


Does that really work?
 
2013-08-01 02:50:25 PM

OtherLittleGuy: So where am I going to find topless women with nice breasts on the internet for free?


Start a BIE / WIE thread, of course!

Don't forget to EIP!
 
Al!
2013-08-01 06:25:20 PM
Scousers never buy The Sun.
 
2013-08-01 09:34:08 PM

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: sheep snorter: Bwahahahhahahhaha

Toggle your user agent to a google scraper and instant full access.

Does that really work?


Firefox add-on
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/

Nice way to test mobile sites from a desktop too.
Oh and some sites that have a paywall, don't have a paywall on their mobile sites.
 
2013-08-01 11:00:59 PM
The Sun has a circulation of 2.3 million in print, while about 1.7 million 13 people visit its website each day.

FTFT
 
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