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(CNN)   Ariel Castro's sister says people will be seeing his kinder, gentler, non-kidnapping and beating and raping three girls for a decade side when he speaks at his sentencing hearing   (cnn.com) divider line 74
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2013-08-01 09:31:47 AM  
life in prison plus 1,000 years

Do they have a prison cemetery or something?
 
2013-08-01 09:46:57 AM  

serial_crusher: life in prison plus 1,000 years

Do they have a prison cemetery or something?


I'd hate to be his cellmate a couple of months after he dies.
 
2013-08-01 09:54:29 AM  
Dear Mr. Castro:

This place will now be your holding pen until your death. Because death is the only way out. There is no chance of reprieve here, No possibility of escape. You are condemned. Either accept it... Or die...
 
2013-08-01 10:25:15 AM  

nekom: Dear Mr. Castro:

This place will now be your holding pen until your death. Because death is the only way out. There is no chance of reprieve here, No possibility of escape. You are condemned. Either accept it... Or die...


Put all hope out of your mind. And masturbate as little as possible, it drains the strength!
 
2013-08-01 10:27:07 AM  
Now we get to feed and house this guy in special 100,000k per year chimo cells until someone has the chance to shank him, if ever.

What ever happened to the axe man?
 
2013-08-01 10:29:14 AM  

doglover: Now we get to feed and house this guy in special 100,000k per year chimo cells until someone has the chance to shank him, if ever.

What ever happened to the axe man?


He fed housed those three girls, so it's only fair.
 
2013-08-01 10:34:30 AM  

doglover: Now we get to feed and house this guy in special 100,000k per year chimo cells until someone has the chance to shank him, if ever.

What ever happened to the axe man?


He won't get shanked, there's no chance he'll be in genpop.  But consider what protective custody is, it's no different than the standard solitary punishment.  Devoid of human contact other than guards escorting him to his exercise cage for an hour a day, 5 days a week.  23 hours in a cell, alone.  I'd be begging for the axe before too long.  There's no legal punishment that can be inflicted on him that truly matches his crimes, but he's not going to have a pleasant rest of his life by any means.

Well, maybe letting Charles Ramsey have at him with a baseball bat, but that would be cruel and unusual.
 
2013-08-01 10:36:40 AM  

EvilEgg: doglover: Now we get to feed and house this guy in special 100,000k per year chimo cells until someone has the chance to shank him, if ever.

What ever happened to the axe man?

He fed housed those three girls, so it's only fair.



But a bearded axe is only $200 or so after shipping and any fool can make a black hood out of a T-shirt. You don't even need eye holes, really.
 
2013-08-01 10:45:14 AM  

nekom: There's no legal punishment that can be inflicted on him that truly matches his crimes, but he's not going to have a pleasant rest of his life by any means.


And that's another thing. Why do we want him dead? He tortured those girls and torture is wrong. But we're going to torture him to death, basically, because we've lost civilization to well meaning busy bodies who say "Oh my god, the death penalty looks so painful." It is a bit, but compared to the alternative of decades in the same room? Much more advanced is the society that ends it quickly.

He should be issued an old fashioned flintlock with one frangible ball, one charge of powder, and loading instructions any time he requests it.
 
2013-08-01 10:51:55 AM  
you forgot 'murdering' subby...
 
2013-08-01 10:53:29 AM  

serial_crusher: life in prison plus 1,000 years

Do they have a prison cemetery or something?


I'm not sure, but I think long sentences like that are so that if new laws get enacted that knock off good behavior time, or allow for parole hearings at various stages of sentence completion that such prisoners simply won't be eligible.

Any folks out there know for sure?
 
2013-08-01 10:57:54 AM  

doglover: Now we get to feed and house this guy in special 100,000k per year chimo cells until someone has the chance to shank him, if ever.

What ever happened to the axe man?


I'm fine with this. I want him to spend the rest of his life surrounded by concrete walls. Your brain can be your worst enemy in prison when you have lots of time on your hands and nothing to do but think about how you got there. I hope his thoughts torture him to madness.
 
2013-08-01 11:00:30 AM  
His last words will be: "Worth it. I'm out."  Then he'll commit suicide by cop.
 
2013-08-01 11:01:56 AM  
I only hope that the guards turn a blind eye to whatever prison justice this wretched torturer rapist gets.
 
2013-08-01 11:03:42 AM  
I've got to go full Godwin on this one.

It does not matter that Castro has some "other side". We can all find home movies of Adolph Hitler petting his dog. Doesn't unkill anybody killed by the Gestapo.
 
2013-08-01 11:03:59 AM  

Lady Indica: I'm not sure, but I think long sentences like that are so that if new laws get enacted that knock off good behavior time, or allow for parole hearings at various stages of sentence completion that such prisoners simply won't be eligible.

Any folks out there know for sure?


It's done mostly as a symbolic gesture actually

nekom: He won't get shanked, there's no chance he'll be in genpop. But consider what protective custody is, it's no different than the standard solitary punishment. Devoid of human contact other than guards escorting him to his exercise cage for an hour a day, 5 days a week. 23 hours in a cell, alone. I'd be begging for the axe before too long. There's no legal punishment that can be inflicted on him that truly matches his crimes, but he's not going to have a pleasant rest of his life by any means.


More or less this. Also consider as well that you only get to shower twice a week in protective custody because special arrangements are needed to allow it. So he'll get the full Castro experience he inflicted on those girls.
 
2013-08-01 11:05:52 AM  
doglover:
And that's another thing. Why do we want him dead? He tortured those girls and torture is wrong. But we're going to torture him to death, basically, because we've lost civilization to well meaning busy bodies who say "Oh my god, the death penalty looks so painful." It is a bit, but compared to the alternative of decades in the same room? Much more advanced is the society that ends it quickly.

He should be issued an old fashioned flintlock with one frangible ball, one charge of powder, and loading instructions any time he requests it.


He wrote a suicidal note some years ago.  He had every opportunity to do just that for a decade.  He also could have refused the plea deal if he had wanted put down.  Rotting in a lone cell for the rest of your life is the worst punishment we can possibly legally inflict.  If ANYONE deserves that, it's this piece of shiat.
 
2013-08-01 11:14:08 AM  
Spadababababababa Spadina Bus:
Put all hope out of your mind. And masturbate as little as possible, it drains the strength!

I remember that part.  It's like "You're feeding me half a coconut per day and I'm slowly dying, you think I'll take your advice about wacking the bishop?"

IdBeCrazyIf:
So he'll get the full Castro experience he inflicted on those girls.

Worse, because there won't ever be a cheeseburger loving black guy to rescue him.  Not a glimmer of hope, ever.
 
2013-08-01 11:14:26 AM  
"There was that one time I added an extra dollar to my supermarket bill to support the local Girl Scouts while I was getting food for the women I imprisoned, tortured and raped for a decade, so, we're like even, right?"
 
2013-08-01 11:15:42 AM  
I believe that the punishment must match the crime, without that link it isn't justice just lip service .
 
2013-08-01 11:21:49 AM  

No Such Agency: Worse, because there won't ever be a cheeseburger loving black guy to rescue him. Not a glimmer of hope, ever.


Some how, I think a life without ever eating McDonalds again isn't punishment
 
Ab3
2013-08-01 11:22:06 AM  
Didn't this guy already start rambling to the judge that pornography had clouded his mind? I think he's jut gonna be making excuses and blaming the usual suspects in the hopes of getting some kind of sympathy.

Also: Wasn't there something about him asking for visitation with the child he fathered by one of these victims? I
 
2013-08-01 11:24:37 AM  

nekom: doglover:
And that's another thing. Why do we want him dead? He tortured those girls and torture is wrong. But we're going to torture him to death, basically, because we've lost civilization to well meaning busy bodies who say "Oh my god, the death penalty looks so painful." It is a bit, but compared to the alternative of decades in the same room? Much more advanced is the society that ends it quickly.

He should be issued an old fashioned flintlock with one frangible ball, one charge of powder, and loading instructions any time he requests it.

He wrote a suicidal note some years ago.  He had every opportunity to do just that for a decade.  He also could have refused the plea deal if he had wanted put down.  Rotting in a lone cell for the rest of your life is the worst punishment we can possibly legally inflict.  If ANYONE deserves that, it's this piece of shiat.


If anyone should be eligible for QA's magic life extension formula, it should be this guy. Eternity, locked away, forever and forgotten.
 
2013-08-01 11:26:12 AM  
I feel so bad for Mr. Castro, now that I know he has a "kinder, gentler, non-kidnapping and beating and raping three girls for a decade side" and I know I for one am looking forward to seeing his "kinder, gentler, non-kidnapping and beating and raping three girls for a decade side". It will certainly make me see him in a different light. Hopefully someone else will see him in a different light, preferably a low light concealing the shank they are placing in his chest.
 
2013-08-01 11:28:10 AM  

Ab3: Also: Wasn't there something about him asking for visitation with the child he fathered by one of these victims? I


Yeah, he actually did have the gall to ask to see the kid
 
2013-08-01 11:41:27 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: More or less this. Also consider as well that you only get to shower twice a week in protective custody because special arrangements are needed to allow it. So he'll get the full Castro experience he inflicted on those girls.


No, he won't.

Nobody will be chaining him to a pole, beating, and raping him.  No parents will be sitting at home wondering what happened to him, hoping he will come home some day but deep down knowing he is probably dead and rotting in a ditch somewhere.  His child isn't going to grow up thinking his parent just walked away.

What he will experience is nothing like what he inflicted on those girls.  What he deserves is immediate death and it is sad that we as a nation have lost the balls to give it to him.
 
2013-08-01 11:51:59 AM  
doglover:
And that's another thing. Why do we want him dead? He tortured those girls and torture is wrong. But we're going to torture him to death, basically, because we've lost civilization to well meaning busy bodies who say "Oh my god, the death penalty looks so painful." It is a bit, but compared to the alternative of decades in the same room? Much more advanced is the society that ends it quickly.
He should be issued an old fashioned flintlock with one frangible ball, one charge of powder, and loading instructions any time he requests it.

I would rather he be executed because I don't care to cover the expense of keeping him housed and fed for a crimes he committed that leave him ineligible for re-entry into society.
His "torture" will not approach the level of that he performed, unless he can be raped, impregnated and give birth without assistance. Some of these repeatedly.
I am of a mind that is is more merciful to execute someone than to give them the option of suicide and then drive them to despair to perform it. That negates any measure of mercy by jailers and that is wrong.
Any humanity I might have felt for his fate will be long gone after the trail and publication of additional details.
 
2013-08-01 11:57:36 AM  

JustGetItRight: What he deserves is immediate death and it is sad that we as a nation have lost the balls to give it to him.


Here, read this essay and then come back and tell me the death penalty is worse than what he faces, which is at least 20 to 30 years of adseg before he dies of old age

http://solitarywatch.com/2013/03/11/voices-from-solitary-a-sentence- wo rse-than-death/
 
2013-08-01 11:59:52 AM  
What would really be just punishment would be for him to be castrated with a rusty spoon, set on fire, and kicked into a bottomless pit.
 
2013-08-01 12:04:11 PM  
IdBeCrazyIf

   Yes, the death penalty would not be "worse". It might be more humane. It makes me feel somewhat "icky" to argue "worse than death" for a person who is clearly guilty of crimes that forbid his ever being free again.

   What is the point? He has at least one child by his actions - why invite any future reunion?
 
2013-08-01 12:04:55 PM  
what the fark is the deal with throwing money at them?  did he have some sort of kidnappers costco in there?

i think someone posted this on fark before, but solitary seems like the worst punishment he could get:

http://solitarywatch.com/2013/03/11/voices-from-solitary-a-sentence- wo rse-than-death/
 
2013-08-01 12:08:39 PM  
It's interesting how, when someone had done something very, very wrong, people want to dismiss information about anything he did right, and round up his evil score to 100%, rather than consider a total picture of his life that might make his evil score be 92.68%, and then consider how someone who is 92.68%  evil should be treated differently than someone who is 100% evil. It's as though people like simplicity.
 
2013-08-01 12:11:27 PM  

serial_crusher: life in prison plus 1,000 years


When he gets out "Futurama" will be a reality show.
 
2013-08-01 12:12:17 PM  
who paid for the model of the house? was that really necessary?
 
2013-08-01 12:16:08 PM  
whoops, sorry for the repeat link :)
 
2013-08-01 12:18:46 PM  

nekom: If ANYONE deserves that


No one does. That's the point. Not even a monster.
 
2013-08-01 12:19:35 PM  

Nem Wan: It's interesting how, when someone had done something very, very wrong, people want to dismiss information about anything he did right, and round up his evil score to 100%, rather than consider a total picture of his life that might make his evil score be 92.68%, and then consider how someone who is 92.68%  evil should be treated differently than someone who is 100% evil. It's as though people like simplicity.


speaking of simplicity, who the fark is 100% "good" and "evil"?  92% or 100%, you're still getting an A.  would you let the 92% guy babysit your kids?
 
2013-08-01 12:20:32 PM  
Nem Wan:

It's interesting how, when someone had done something very, very wrong, people want to dismiss information about anything he did right, and round up his evil score to 100%, rather than consider a total picture of his life that might make his evil score be 92.68%, and then consider how someone who is 92.68%  evil should be treated differently than someone who is 100% evil. It's as though people like simplicity.

There are shades of grey between the black and white of right and wrong and we can discuss the complexity of moral choices until the end of mankind.
There is no daylight between "right" and these crimes of kidnapping and assault - period.
There are not enough positive life events to alter the math. There is a reason kidnapping is a felony.
 
2013-08-01 12:23:19 PM  
And so begins the 1000 years of darkness as prophesied by Chuck Norris.
 
2013-08-01 12:26:12 PM  

Nem Wan: It's interesting how, when someone had done something very, very wrong, people want to dismiss information about anything he did right, and round up his evil score to 100%, rather than consider a total picture of his life that might make his evil score be 92.68%, and then consider how someone who is 92.68%  evil should be treated differently than someone who is 100% evil. It's as though people like simplicity.


It's called "Being immune to Bullshiat".  Which some people are not, hence the argument that, past a certain point, you lose the opportunity to "show your good side".

For example:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/07/12/free_jahar_why_does_ bo ston_bomber_dzhokhar_tsarnaev_have_so_many_female.html

Some people are, clearly, not "Immune to Bullshiat".  And "OMG he's so cute!" is NEVER a valid defense for what these monsters have done.
 
2013-08-01 12:27:27 PM  
the reason most states (and civilized countries) have dropped capital punishment has more to do with the fact of occasional mistaken conviction than with cruelty.

/since i don't believe in an afterlife, i think life-without-parole is an actual punishment. killing them is mere disposal of an embarrassment.
 
2013-08-01 12:28:42 PM  
Here, subby, you can borrow some of mine:  " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " "
 
2013-08-01 12:31:15 PM  

Nem Wan: It's interesting how, when someone had done something very, very wrong, people want to dismiss information about anything he did right, and round up his evil score to 100%, rather than consider a total picture of his life that might make his evil score be 92.68%, and then consider how someone who is 92.68%  evil should be treated differently than someone who is 100% evil. It's as though people like simplicity.


It's more interesting how quickly people become evil themselves when trying to cope with evil. The abyss looks back pretty damn quickly. It scares me how unethical these people are.
 
2013-08-01 12:36:03 PM  
Castro does not have long to live. They'll put him into protective custody, but the second he arrives, the bidding war begins. You'll have prisoners falling all over themselves, each one trying to convince the guards to give him a chance to become The Guy Who Got Ariel Castro. It's only a matter of time before one of them offers a bribe so big that a guard caves. Or maybe some guard -one with daughters, no doubt- will just do it himself.
 
2013-08-01 12:40:29 PM  
I still can't get past 'Ariel' as a man's name. Whenever I hear it, I either think of The Little Mermaid
or Rev. Moore's daughter in Footloose.
 
2013-08-01 12:42:52 PM  
Just dump a few dozen bullets in him and call it a day.
 
2013-08-01 12:43:52 PM  

digitalrain: I still can't get past 'Ariel' as a man's name. Whenever I hear it, I either think of The Little Mermaid
or Rev. Moore's daughter in Footloose.


It's a mexican thing. Like naming your kid Jesus or Guadalupe
 
2013-08-01 12:46:31 PM  
So he not only forced his captives to watch TV coverage the vigil the captives' parents held in hopes their daughters would come home, but he also went to one of the parents and asked for a "Missing" poster?

Zero mercy. None. Put him in a 6' x 3' windowless box with nothing but a fluorescent light's hum as company for the rest of his life.
 
2013-08-01 12:47:57 PM  

Nem Wan: It's interesting how, when someone had done something very, very wrong, people want to dismiss information about anything he did right, and round up his evil score to 100%, rather than consider a total picture of his life that might make his evil score be 92.68%, and then consider how someone who is 92.68%  evil should be treated differently than someone who is 100% evil. It's as though people like simplicity.


Percentages of evil are meaningless, as nobody has ever been 100% evil because even history's inveterate douchebags have done nice things.  Unless "100% evil" is an adjusted top score which equates to a lesser percentage of "absolute evil", which is acknowledged by the community to be impossible to achieve.

Mao Tse Tung was probably nice to his kids at some point.
Hitler was an animal lover.
Charles Manson probably swerved to avoid a family of ducks at some point in his pre-prison life.
Ted Bundy passed the salt when somebody said "please pass the salt, Ted" at the dinner table (no citation, but come on - it has to have happened.  Who hasn't passed the salt?)
 
2013-08-01 12:48:33 PM  
Nothing they can do to him, and certainly nothing he's done can equal or undo the pain and damage he's caused.

I wish him the very, very worst.

/Father of daughters.
 
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