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(ABC)   GAO reports that $36 million in agriculture subsidies were paid to those who are deceased, those who are departed, those who recently bought the farm   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 19
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2013-08-01 08:48:44 AM  
Michelle Bachmann is brain dead.  So does she count, too?
 
2013-08-01 08:56:41 AM  
*yawn* Wake me when this sort of thing involves real money.
 
2013-08-01 09:06:32 AM  
What about those who are just pining for the fjords?
 
2013-08-01 09:11:22 AM  
Seriously, how can I get in on this farking gravy train of corruption?
 
2013-08-01 09:16:08 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Seriously, how can I get in on this farking gravy train of corruption?


Step 1:  Call White House on your Obamaphone...
 
2013-08-01 09:47:12 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Seriously, how can I get in on this farking gravy train of corruption?


Seems to me that step one is to be dead. Kinda puts a crimp in any steps that follow.
 
2013-08-01 09:54:49 AM  
Rich people > dead rich people > poor people > dead poor people
 
2013-08-01 10:02:12 AM  

Diogenes: HotIgneous Intruder: Seriously, how can I get in on this farking gravy train of corruption?

Step 1:  Call White House on your Obamaphone...


You'll have an excellent future in plastics.
 
2013-08-01 10:17:24 AM  
The federal government has paid as much as $35.9 million in farm subsidies to dead people, a watchdog agency claims.

The subsidies were part of the $20 billion a year effort to support farmers with crop insurance, conservation efforts and disaster assistance administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture from 2008 to 2012.



I'm not saying that $36M isn't a lot of money, but you are talking about .17% of the budget. And it's not even clear what part of that percentage are families that are still part of the same farm. I suspect if all subsidies only gave .2% to dead people, it'd be a saver of money
 
2013-08-01 10:36:33 AM  

JohnHall: The federal government has paid as much as $35.9 million in farm subsidies to dead people, a watchdog agency claims.

The subsidies were part of the $20 billion a year effort to support farmers with crop insurance, conservation efforts and disaster assistance administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture from 2008 to 2012.


I'm not saying that $36M isn't a lot of money, but you are talking about .17% of the budget. And it's not even clear what part of that percentage are families that are still part of the same farm. I suspect if all subsidies only gave .2% to dead people, it'd be a saver of money


I hear what you're saying.  I just wish the liberal noise machine were as good as the conservative noise machine at going apeshiat over pocket change.  Or even better, that neither of them would bother.

Corruptible and fraud-vulnerable systems, programs and processes should be addressed.  On every level.  But you're absolutely right on how people get their panties in a knot over the least significant of those things.  Whistling past the graveyard.
 
2013-08-01 11:03:33 AM  

Diogenes: Michelle Bachmann is brain dead.  So does she count, too?


You drones just repeat the same nonsense.
 
2013-08-01 11:09:15 AM  

happydude45: Diogenes: Michelle Bachmann is brain dead.  So does she count, too?

You drones just repeat the same nonsense.


Tell me more about "Obamaphones" and ACORN.
 
2013-08-01 11:25:17 AM  

Diogenes: JohnHall: The federal government has paid as much as $35.9 million in farm subsidies to dead people, a watchdog agency claims.

The subsidies were part of the $20 billion a year effort to support farmers with crop insurance, conservation efforts and disaster assistance administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture from 2008 to 2012.


I'm not saying that $36M isn't a lot of money, but you are talking about .17% of the budget. And it's not even clear what part of that percentage are families that are still part of the same farm. I suspect if all subsidies only gave .2% to dead people, it'd be a saver of money

I hear what you're saying.  I just wish the liberal noise machine were as good as the conservative noise machine at going apeshiat over pocket change.  Or even better, that neither of them would bother.

Corruptible and fraud-vulnerable systems, programs and processes should be addressed.  On every level.  But you're absolutely right on how people get their panties in a knot over the least significant of those things.  Whistling past the graveyard.


Agreed.  Conservatives seem to be the type who would spend $100 implementing measures to prevent a $5 loss.  Case in point FL's drug testing of welfare recipients.  But it works because the public has no concept of how big the budget truly is.  anything with '-illion' at the end is just too much to wrap their pretty heads about.

most people can't believe that one trillion = one million millions.

Waste 5 billion on a defense project..well that is the cost of keeping us safe.  Waste 5 million on a benefit program...OMGWARRAGRBL
 
2013-08-01 02:07:52 PM  

Hyjamon: Waste 5 billion on a defense project..well that is the cost of keeping us safe. Waste 5 million on a benefit program...OMGWARRAGRBL


Not this conservative.  Waste, fraud and abuse needs to be dealt with in every sector of goverment spending.  DoD contracts are awash in this type of abuse and fraud (estimated to be 50 to 100B/year).  So is Medicare (60 to 90B/year).  You are dealing with real cost savings to the country when you can get a handle on this.

Regarding the fraud and abuse like this story illustrates - it is absurd how easy it would be for the goverment to actually check through these record and cut out this crap.  The fact that they don't is just the part of the 'we really don't care' attitude that has many conservatives grating thier teeth.  When you are racking up huge federal deficits and increasing the debt on all Americans, it makes sense to tighten down on this type of irresponsible behavior.
 
2013-08-01 02:22:21 PM  

HeadLever: Hyjamon: Waste 5 billion on a defense project..well that is the cost of keeping us safe. Waste 5 million on a benefit program...OMGWARRAGRBL

Not this conservative.  Waste, fraud and abuse needs to be dealt with in every sector of goverment spending.  DoD contracts are awash in this type of abuse and fraud (estimated to be 50 to 100B/year).  So is Medicare (60 to 90B/year).  You are dealing with real cost savings to the country when you can get a handle on this.

Regarding the fraud and abuse like this story illustrates - it is absurd how easy it would be for the goverment to actually check through these record and cut out this crap.  The fact that they don't is just the part of the 'we really don't care' attitude that has many conservatives grating thier teeth.  When you are racking up huge federal deficits and increasing the debt on all Americans, it makes sense to tighten down on this type of irresponsible behavior.


maybe I should have been more specific (sorry to cast a spell on your aparagus), conservative congressmen.  The question is do the agencies involved have the resources to check for this information, or would it require those agencies needing more money to hire investigators or create some software system that checks against other databases.  If it is the former, then fire people/appoint new leadership.  If it is the latter, good luck trying to increase funding for anything involving the USDA (more gov't, more regulations will be the call to defund the idea)

Is this the first time in the history of those agencies that this has occurred?

Also, who cashed the checks?  Send the IRS after them for fraud.
 
2013-08-01 03:01:43 PM  

Hyjamon: If it is the former, then fire people/appoint new leadership.


Pretty sure it is mostly this one.  However, good luck changing the status quo. All it would take is the person processing the claim to cross-reference it with other goverment databases.  Pretty sure that it would be pretty easy to have this process streamlines where it woulld not take much time at all.
 
2013-08-01 04:02:52 PM  
This is .. what.. 1/8 of what went to Congresscritters?
 
2013-08-01 04:14:25 PM  

HeadLever: Regarding the fraud and abuse like this story illustrates - it is absurd how easy it would be for the goverment to actually check through these record and cut out this crap.  The fact that they don't is just the part of the 'we really don't care' attitude that has many conservatives grating thier teeth


You do realize this "$36 million" figure came from the government after they checked through the records to cut this crap out?
 
2013-08-01 04:54:32 PM  

impaler: You do realize this "$36 million" figure came from the government after they checked through the records to cut this crap out?


Yep, to their credit, they caught this part of it - after the fact.  My point is that it should be SOP to check before the checks go out.  Seems like that would be a wee bit easier (and cheaper) than trying to collect it back after some dead guy cashes said check.
 
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