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2013-08-01 09:14:41 AM
24 votes:

Revek: I get no money for my autistic son.


Did you try putting him on Craigslist?
2013-08-01 09:04:47 AM
18 votes:
I like to speak in sweeping generalizations and imply that willful ignorance of ways by which I might benefit my family makes me a stronger person.
2013-08-01 09:33:26 AM
8 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: What the fark was this?


Baby's First Thought
2013-08-01 09:27:06 AM
7 votes:
i.qkme.me
2013-08-01 09:37:56 AM
4 votes:
The libertarian answer to every argument: "That's fine in practice, but in theory it just won't work."
2013-08-01 09:32:15 AM
4 votes:

IdBeCrazyIf: EyeballKid: Revek: I get no money for my autistic son.

Did you try putting him on Craigslist?

He'll get a better price on backpage

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.

Except the roads you drive on, the ability to power the computer you spout your stupidity from, the clean water you drink, the cleaner air you breathe, the safe food you eat and the safety in knowing your country is secure from the rest of the world.

....yep government does nothing for us.


All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
2013-08-01 10:50:11 AM
3 votes:

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.  I get no money for my autistic son.  No money for my disabling medical condition  including no medical help at all.  I make half the median income for the state.  The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity.  We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens  people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves.  They expect someone else to pay for it.  Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.


A few government-subsidized apostrophes wouldn't hurt.
2013-08-01 09:22:33 AM
3 votes:

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.


That's impressive.  You don't drive cars on roads, bridges, or overpasses?  You don't eat food grow in the U.S., or shipped in from outside the country?  You don't ever travel across publicly maintained land?  Bought a car that is subject to safety regulations?  Use a public utility such as power, water, telephone, or internet?  You defend your own land with your own army?  You don't watch television regulated by the FCC or look at a clock that has time set by NIST created standards?  You don't use federally issued currency, or send or receive anything by the postal service?  You've never called the police for anything?  Needed to have friends or family helped by the fire department?

Truly, you receive nothing from the government.  I salute you, citizen.  You're a beacon to all of us.
2013-08-01 09:24:28 AM
2 votes:

Neighborhood Watch: If everyone on welfare was a Libertarian, then the Democrat party would cease to exist.


Pretty deep thought right there.  This man has the trenchant insight of a CS Lewis or a Ted Nugent.
2013-08-01 09:24:02 AM
2 votes:
So what happened here is Auto Correct just changed Libtard to Libertarian
2013-08-01 09:19:14 AM
2 votes:
Example 1:

chronicle.com
2013-08-01 06:32:50 PM
1 votes:

Revek: Thrag: Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.  I get no money for my autistic son.  No money for my disabling medical condition  including no medical help at all.  I make half the median income for the state.

The Median income in AR is ~$40,000, so that would put you at 20,000, which does make you eligible for some assistance.

You could get your kid medical insurance under the "ArKids B" plan. With only one child the income cutoff is $22,980.00. So at $20k you would be eligible.

While you make too much for SNAP, you are under the max income for the "national school lunch program", "summer food service program" and "child and adult care food program" which subsidize food for your child.

You would also likely qualify for the "Title V, Children with Special Health Care Needs" program.

The "Arkansas low income home energy assistance program" has a cutoff for a two person household at $22,695. So you are at the edge of eligibility for that one too.

You also qualify for (at least on the basis of income) your states weatherization assistance program that could help you save on energy bills.

Doesn't matter where you get your numbers it matters where Arkansas DHS get theirs.


I am getting my numbers from the websites of the actual programs and/or Arkansas government websites.

For example, here's the ArKids First website

ARKids First Income Eligibility
Effective April 1, 2013 through March 31, 2014

Family SizeARKids AARKids BUnder Age 6Age 6 and Over
AnnuallyMonthlyAnnuallyMonthlyAnnuallyMonthly1

$15,281.76

$1,273.48

$11,490.00

$957.50

$22,980.00

$1,915.00

2

$20,628.36

$1,719.03

$15,510.00

$1,292.50

$31,020.00

$2,585.00


Though it does look like I read that wrong. It says family size and not number of children. So in your case if you are a single parent with one child the cutoff appears to be $31k.

I don't even know why I bother responding to idiots like you.

The feeling is mutual. Sorry for trying to give you useful information. I'm sure spending your time biatching on the internet will turn out to be a better way to improve your situation.

You are here slacking instead of working and complaining about not getting enough government assistance. The fact that you call yourself a libertarian is the funniest thing in this thread.
2013-08-01 04:51:02 PM
1 votes:

plewis: Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.  I get no money for my autistic son.  No money for my disabling medical condition  including no medical help at all.  I make half the median income for the state.  The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity.  We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens  people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves.  They expect someone else to pay for it.  Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.

I like how YOU decided to harm your son in the long term by not getting offered treatment early in his life when it could have made a difference.  I too have an autistic son.  You know what I would do to get him even slightly closer to mainstream so he can have a happy and healthy (and ultimately more productive) life?  ANYTHING.  I'll take from the government, borrow against my house, take money from my aged parents, strangers.  Want to see me streak?  Pay for my son's therapy and I'll even let you spank my bare ass.

So I'm going to say it.  Your libertarian principles broke libertarian principles.  You, by your neglect, harmed another.  You HARMED your own SON!  That makes you a highly principled monster and if your son later is not able to function, we the people have to care for his well being after you are gone.

There is a role of the state.  One of those roles is to keep me from punching you in your evil face and taking your son away from you because you are a neglectful mouthbreather.  Hope your piety keeps you well in your old age, because your son will be too busy struggling to help you.


Wow, farklibs sure get mad when you point out that everyone else isn't a mooching deadbeat like they are.
2013-08-01 02:21:26 PM
1 votes:

bopis: Seems like Liberals have a deeper, more special hate for libertarians even though there is probably a lot more common ground. I think that speaks to the closemindedness of the average liberal.


I'm going to go with the notion that you are sincerely trying to comprehend something you don't understand, and explain it to you as best I can.

First off, I obviously can't speak for all liberals.  Nobody made me Queen of the Liberals nor elected me president of the Liberals for Life Committee.  I will simply explain things as I think they are, and it may be than many Liberals agree with me, or perhaps not, but it's at least a starting point.  Second, I don't think most liberals "hate" Libertarians or Conservatives.  If you want to be taken seriously --- if you really are earnest about having a meaningful dialog --- then you need to drop such provocative terms as "hate."  We generally disagree with Libertarians and Conservatives, we probably disapprove of them, I'm sure some of us dislike them, and yes, a few of us might "hate" Libertarian or Conservatives if not both, but to claim all Liberals "hate" Libertarians just undermines your credibility.

Third, even if you were essentially correct about the phenomenon (that Liberals "hate" libertarians more than we "hate" Conservatives), and even if you were right that it was caused by Liberals seeing more in common with Libertarians than with Conservatives, that wouldn't be close-mindedness.  Frankly, it sounds to me like you don't even know what the word "close-mindedness" even means.  If it WERE as you say, and Liberals DID dislike Libertarians more precisely because of how much they have in common, that would be something entirely different than close-mindedness.

Fourth, yes, it is true that in some respects Libertarians have more in common with Liberals than Conservatives do; the common observation is that Libertarians are fiscally conservative but socially liberal.  That's probably be an oversimplification, but it's enough for our purposes right now.  And it's great that we can agree on some things.  But I might say that that is offset by how extreme Libertarians seem to be about the fiscal issues.  To give just one example: Liberals and Conservatives disagree about the education system because Conservatives (among other things) don't want to spend enough money on public schools.  But Libertarians want to spend NO MONEY AT ALL on the public school system, which is far worse.

Fifth (and as this is highly subjective I REALLY can't claim to speak for all Liberals) one of the things about Libertarianism that I personally find most disquieting is my perception that, at it's core, it's really nothing more that pure,unadulterated selfishness and shortsightedness systematized.  Conservatism, for all that I think it's wrong, at least seems to be trying to make the nation a better place for everyone, or at least for everyone willing to follow their rules.  Libertarianism, by contrast, seems like it would shut out in the cold anyone who wasn't born rich, regardless of how ardently the disenfranchised tried to follow it themselves.

You'll probably say I've mischaracterized Libertarianism, and maybe I have, but if so, you'll then have to explain to me what provisions Libertarianism makes for people who aren't born wealthy.  How, exactly, is a person who doesn't start off with enough money supposed to get an education, health care, meaningful work, a home (at least a shared apartment), and so on, all the while paying for the private police, mail, roads, fire, health insurance, etc. that are (thanks to Libertarianism) no longer provided by the government?

bopisLet's decriminalize homosexuality and end the war on drugs, then we can go back to the retard flame war?

Ok, sure.  You focus on homosexuality and the war on drugs exclusively, do nothing whatever to advance any other Libertarian policy, and I'll refrain from criticizing your politics.  Is that the deal you're proposing?
2013-08-01 02:19:04 PM
1 votes:

Deucednuisance: drp: The Democrats hate us because we don't hate corporations and the 2nd Amendment like they do.  They want big government and police-state powers when it's convenient for them, and a drug war to pander to their small-minded constituents who want toughness on crime.

Whut da actualfuq?

I live in the Democratic Paradise of Maryland, and have for 45 years.  I'm a Democrat, raised by Democrats, and am surrounded by Democrats.

I have never, not once, met a single Democratic constituent who demands that their representatives continue to prosecute the "drug war".  We all know that it is futile and worse, counter-productive.

I dare you to show us one.  Just one.


images.politico.com
2013-08-01 11:23:02 AM
1 votes:
Wait, is this about the hippies-in-the-woods libertarians, or the I'm-so-rich-that-I-don't-need-a-government libertarians?  So confusing!
2013-08-01 10:50:44 AM
1 votes:
Tea Party Protesters Protest D.C. Metro Service


Protesters who attended Saturday's Tea Party rally in Washington found a new reason to be upset: Apparently they are unhappy with the level of service provided by the subway system.

Rep. Kevin Brady asked for an explanation of why the government-run subway system didn't, in his view, adequately prepare for this past weekend's rally to protest government spending and government services.  The Texas Republican on Wednesday released a letter he sent to Washington's Metro system complaining that the taxpayer-funded subway system was unable to properly transport protesters to the rally to protest government spending and expansion.

"These individuals came all the way from Southeast Texas to protest the excessive spending and growing government intrusion by the 111th Congress and the new Obama administration," Brady wrote.

-----

Not surprising, really.
2013-08-01 10:21:38 AM
1 votes:

Satan's Bunny Slippers: cubic_spleen:

With genuine libertarians, perhaps. The self-confessed American right-wing 'libertarians' are really Republicans who long for a return to feudalism, in the laughably false assumption that they will be inside the castle walls.

I've recently discovered The Tudors on prime.  (yes, I know, but I'm usually 2-4 years behind on these things since I don't buy showtime, hbo, etc.  anyways....) of course it's the very romanticized story of Henry VIII, but yet I see parallels between what he strove to do (and in some ways succeeded, at least for a while) and what libertarians say they want.  Isolating "his kingdom", putting himself in charge of basically everything...religion, taxes, "public" services (such as they were), trade, law, etc.  This is what libertarians say they want.  (they don't really, but that's what they say).  Complete control over everything, no outside governance, their word is all they need to live by.  But they won't admit that it WOULD involve the enslavement of others, because by and large I can't see libertarians out there digging their own latrines, disposing of their household waste, growing/raising all their own food, even in co-ops.  They have a laughingly romantic version of a pure shining self reliant world in their head, completely disassociated with reality.  And we all know how it ended for Henry.

Just an observation, but there it is.


Reminds me of that Atlas Shrugged 2: 2 hours later comic. "What? You mean we have to till our own soil or we'll starve?!!?!"
2013-08-01 10:19:47 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-08-01 10:02:34 AM
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Were the headline even remotely true, the Democrats wouldn't stand a chance.


You're late, someone already made that stupid joke.
2013-08-01 10:00:19 AM
1 votes:

SovietCanuckistan: I have always wondered why all the Libertarian threads on Fark  go so long and get so many reactions.


Because for Years now Libertarians have tried to "educate" everyone on what Libertarians really are, since we keep insisting on judging them by the actions and words of the people who call themselves Libertarians.
2013-08-01 09:58:17 AM
1 votes:
F*ck libertarians. While it is refreshing to see more people come out against war, prohibition, and government-enforced discrimination against gays, their anti-tax, anti-social program, anti-regulation, "I got mine" BS just shows how disconnected they are from the realities of the majority of the people in this country, the working poor. We aren't "fat and happy, sucking on the government teat" like so many seem to think. That "teat" puts out some pretty thin milk, let me tell you. In the richest country in the world, working 2 jobs, my children wouldn't be able to see a doctor without government assistance for their health insurance. My wife's pregnancy costs, especially when she had complications, would have put us in debt for 20+ years without government assistance for her health care. When I lost my job when the economy crashed, and my wife and I received cash aide and food stamps, were we eating steak and laying about watching satellite tv? No, we were scrambling to find jobs because the cash aide and food stamps barely enabled us to survive, and that was on top of paying no rent because we moved in with her folks. And we live in the generous socialist paradise of California. Who knows how it would have been in some teatard hell-hole state in the Midwest or South.

I come from an upper middle-class family. I was a conservative Republican in high school. Although social issues had already changed my politics by the time the I had the experiences recounted above, experiencing the reality of poverty first hand, trying to live, to survive, "on the dole" solidified me as a Socialist. The 1% in this country, who have so much wealth they couldn't hope to ever spend it all... f*ck them. They have no right to wealth so obscene when children down the street go hungry or can't see a doctor, when parents have to work multiple jobs and still rely on government assistance to scrape by. By tax or by sword, there will be some equalization of wealth in this country, and the sooner the better.
2013-08-01 09:52:14 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: brukmann: The retreat of the intellectual coward. If you disagree, you just, like, don't understand me, dude!

I don't recall you ever asking me what I believed, so that means everything you "know" about me is a product of your own assumptions and biases.


From 500 threads. I probably know you better than your mom. You know people can read this shiat anonymously, right?
2013-08-01 09:45:52 AM
1 votes:
I always thought that Libertarians were just Republicans who wanted to keep hating brown poor people but still be able to smoke weed.
2013-08-01 09:42:37 AM
1 votes:
Why did that headline contradict the article and reality?
2013-08-01 09:37:06 AM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: Pocket Ninja: I like to speak in sweeping generalizations and imply that willful ignorance of ways by which I might benefit my family makes me a stronger person.

Your sense of entitlement is admirable.

Your sense of pride needs work.

Let us know when you find a landlord that you can pay with your pride.


The trick is to not let it get to that point.
2013-08-01 09:36:58 AM
1 votes:

bopis: Liberal thinking:
Liberals agree with me 100% of the time and that makes them more highly evolved.
Conservatives disagree with me on pretty much 100% of issues, that makes them evil!
Libertarians agree/disagree with me on maybe 50% of issues, that makes them the worst!


I'll bet you thought that was clever when you were typing it. Unfortunately, it just comes off as simple minded.
2013-08-01 09:34:03 AM
1 votes:

bopis: Liberal thinking:
Liberals agree with me 100% of the time and that makes them more highly evolved.
Conservatives disagree with me on pretty much 100% of issues, that makes them evil!
Libertarians agree/disagree with me on maybe 50% of issues, that makes them the worst!


This guy cuts through the clutter like a laser.  Just try and resist getting into a debate with this guy!  I bet the libs won't even have the stomach for such a challenge.
2013-08-01 09:30:05 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: LasersHurt: It's better when it's harder, because of... morals?

If you're content with living as a pet, than who am I to judge?


If you were as clever as you think you are, you'd be fun to have around.
2013-08-01 09:28:36 AM
1 votes:

Neighborhood Watch: If everyone on welfare was a Libertarian, then the Democrat party would cease to exist.


i.stack.imgur.com
2013-08-01 09:27:31 AM
1 votes:

Revek: but receive nothing from the government.


And yet, here you are, typing on the internet. The ultimate irony.
2013-08-01 09:23:04 AM
1 votes:

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.  I get no money for my autistic son.  No money for my disabling medical condition  including no medical help at all.  I make half the median income for the state.  The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity.  We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens  people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves.  They expect someone else to pay for it.  Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.


Yeah! That'll show... wait...

I pay for health insurance. But if I get sick, I'm not relying on that communist, Ponzi scheme. I'll pay my hospital bill with the money earned from my bootstrap business.
2013-08-01 09:20:20 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: I like to speak in sweeping generalizations and imply that willful ignorance of ways by which I might benefit my family makes me a stronger person.


Indeed, there is no more noble a goal in life than to find a teat at which to suckle.
2013-08-01 09:15:36 AM
1 votes:
My individual experiences are sufficient to formulate policies that should be in place to dictate to a country of 320,000,000 other people what they should expect from their government.
2013-08-01 09:15:33 AM
1 votes:
A Libertarian takes many forms: a lover in times of peace, a fighter in times of strife, a scholar in times of great change. This is the Era of Big Government, subby, washing over us all and revealing the highest pinnacle of humanity: that which remains when certain deductions are made: the modern Ur-Man who says, Whereas There is Government to Stand Upon, I am Above It!
2013-08-01 09:15:02 AM
1 votes:

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.  I get no money for my autistic son.  No money for my disabling medical condition  including no medical help at all.  I make half the median income for the state.  The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity.  We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens  people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves.  They expect someone else to pay for it.  Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.


And what does that get you...?

Pocket Ninja: I like to speak in sweeping generalizations and imply that willful ignorance of ways by which I might benefit my family makes me a stronger person.


That.
2013-08-01 09:14:35 AM
1 votes:
Libertarians are the Tim Tebow of politics.
2013-08-01 09:13:08 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: I like to speak in sweeping generalizations and imply that willful ignorance of ways by which I might benefit my family makes me a stronger person.


/thread
2013-08-01 09:12:57 AM
1 votes:
I don't receive .gov money, but as I get older I'm beginning to think there's no honor in that any more.
I needs to get PAID.
 
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