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(Washington Post)   This just in: The more you personally rely on the US government to take care of everything in your life, the more likely you are to be a raging libertarian   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 339
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2013-08-01 10:03:02 AM

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.


Surprisingly few people have bitten on the substance of your first-to-be-posted troll, which is a shame.

It's too late for a really meaningful bite, but I'll do what I can. You mean, you receive no  cash money from the government, and by that you mean you don't regard being excused from having to pay most or all of your taxes as "receiving" it.

As for not getting free health care, if you're as poorly as you say and your son exists and is autistic, you might look into sucking just a bit harder on that government teat--for his sake if not yours. Perhaps you qualify for disability, or perhaps he qualifies for Medicare. But you're right, the government won't be doing anything at the moment to make sure that you're personally healthy--for the time being your ability to get well will still be a private financial arrangement between you and your insurance company. Although what you pay will be greatly reduced by new government rules, and your son will have a chance in hell of getting his own insurance one day. (Not very libertarian, I admit, interfering with contracts like that.)

Anyway, there's your bite. No charge, citizen!
 
2013-08-01 10:03:37 AM

JerkyMeat: Modern libratarians and GOPers are a cancer to society.


While modern Libtards are leaches
 
2013-08-01 10:03:38 AM

dentalhilljack: I'm not 100% LP.org "Libertarian" because I do recognize that there are some government safety nets, consumer protections, and public goods/infrastructure that are valuable, but on average I do agree with their general philosophy that a smaller, more efficient government is better than what we have.  True tax & spend liberals have always pissed me off, but as I've grown up into the semi-responsible adult that I am I've been driven away from the Republicans by the extreme hypocrisy of social conservatives who want government out of our wallets but in our bedrooms.

What pisses me off even more than a tax & spender or a social conservative, though, is the tea party types suddenly claiming a "libertarian" viewpoint when 90% of the tea party would shoot a queer or colored boy on sight.  You folks can't cherry-pick small government platitudes without accepting that your wanting to live free from interference means that mixed race gay couple in town also gets to live free from interference.  If Obama wasn't elected you would still be worshiping at the altar of Karl Rove and not yelling about a rapidly expanding debt, even though W added the second-highest amount to it.


Ah..um...what?
 
2013-08-01 10:03:53 AM

clkeagle: If everyone on welfare understood they are actually on welfare, the GOP would lose 3/4 of its voting base.


Heh, a lot of truth there.

amyldoanitrite: their anti-tax, anti-social program, anti-regulation, "I got mine" BS just shows how disconnected they are from the realities of the majority of the people in this country


And that's where I diverge from the big-L party.  I think a lot of Libertarians really don't understand the practical outcome of their purist libertarian fiscal ideology; as much as any "idealist" belief falls far short in practice.
 
2013-08-01 10:03:54 AM
Libertarians and other slack-jawed "big government" types keep forgetting we live in a big-ass country with a shiatload of people. You can't govern that with a skeleton crew.
 
2013-08-01 10:04:29 AM

brukmann: You earn a star. What should the tag be, though?


"Jerk" with perhaps a friendly color?  :)
 
2013-08-01 10:04:33 AM

GoldSpider: Pocket Ninja: I like to speak in sweeping generalizations and imply that willful ignorance of ways by which I might benefit my family makes me a stronger person.

Indeed, there is no more noble a goal in life than to find a teat at which to suckle.


or to labor for a neo-slave owner for a pittance?
 
2013-08-01 10:04:55 AM

dentalhilljack: I'm not 100% LP.org "Libertarian" because I do recognize that there are some government safety nets, consumer protections, and public goods/infrastructure that are valuable, but on average I do agree with their general philosophy that a smaller, more efficient government is better than what we have.  True tax & spend liberals have always pissed me off, but as I've grown up into the semi-responsible adult that I am I've been driven away from the Republicans by the extreme hypocrisy of social conservatives who want government out of our wallets but in our bedrooms.


As a matter of historical fact, America was most economically prosperous and equal when the "tax & spend liberals" were in charge. Now that's a correlation, not necessarily a causation, but I'm just saying. Whenever conservatives have had a lot of influence (see late 19th c., the 1920s, the last few decades) things have consistently gotten worse for the average American. Once again, that's a correlation, not necessarily a causation, but it is an interesting one.
 
2013-08-01 10:05:52 AM

dentalhilljack: You folks can't cherry-pick small government platitudes


Oh yes they can!
 
2013-08-01 10:09:03 AM

GoldSpider: brukmann: You earn a star. What should the tag be, though?

"Jerk" with perhaps a friendly color?  :)


Friendly in that you're the only one who is purple, tag "Libertus and the amazing technicolor dreamjerk " I thought i was on to something there, it'll have to do for now. :) I need to get back to bootstrapping. Cheers
 
2013-08-01 10:09:12 AM

GoldSpider: bopis: Liberal thinking:
Liberals agree with me 100% of the time and that makes them more highly evolved.
Conservatives disagree with me on pretty much 100% of issues, that makes them evil!
Libertarians agree/disagree with me on maybe 50% of issues, that makes them the worst!

While I too have scare a clue what you're blathering about, I will agree that self-described Liberals have more in common with libertarians than they are comfortable admitting.


With genuine libertarians, perhaps. The self-confessed American right-wing 'libertarians' are really Republicans who long for a return to feudalism, in the laughably false assumption that they will be inside the castle walls.
 
2013-08-01 10:10:23 AM

eiger: As a matter of historical fact, America was most economically prosperous and equal when the "tax & spend liberals" were in charge. Now that's a correlation, not necessarily a causation, but I'm just saying. Whenever conservatives have had a lot of influence (see late 19th c., the 1920s, the last few decades) things have consistently gotten worse for the average American. Once again, that's a correlation, not necessarily a causation, but it is an interesting one.


Ya but is that like the current trend, where Obama is having to "fix" everything his predecessor did?
 
2013-08-01 10:14:06 AM

bopis: eiger: As a matter of historical fact, America was most economically prosperous and equal when the "tax & spend liberals" were in charge. Now that's a correlation, not necessarily a causation, but I'm just saying. Whenever conservatives have had a lot of influence (see late 19th c., the 1920s, the last few decades) things have consistently gotten worse for the average American. Once again, that's a correlation, not necessarily a causation, but it is an interesting one.

Ya but is that like the current trend, where Obama is having to "fix" everything his predecessor did?


WTF are you talking about?
 
2013-08-01 10:17:39 AM

unlikely: GoldSpider: I will agree that self-described Liberals have more in common with libertarians than they are comfortable admitting.

To make this sentence true, you'd have to pin down some common core beliefs of libertarians.

It has been my experience that I agree with some and disagree with some because there is no consistent core of beliefs from one libertarian to the next.


This is the main reason there will never be a true libertarian movement.  There are too many issues that libertarians differ on.  It's like when someone believes that all athiests share common opinions; there are many shades of libertarianism, as the article states.  Anyone who supports extreme libertarianism (read: anarchy) is just plain stupid.  I have no desire to go back to the stone ages, farming my own vegetables and protecting my possessions from ravoing gangs.  However, rampant wasteful goverment spending, war-mongering, the expansion of the welfare state, the legislation of social issues, etc. tend to push people toward a more libertarian view.  Come on people, it's about taking responsibility for yourself and your situation, and holding your public officials accountable!

/at least that's how I define my libertarianism...
 
2013-08-01 10:17:41 AM
cubic_spleen:

With genuine libertarians, perhaps. The self-confessed American right-wing 'libertarians' are really Republicans who long for a return to feudalism, in the laughably false assumption that they will be inside the castle walls.

I've recently discovered The Tudors on prime.  (yes, I know, but I'm usually 2-4 years behind on these things since I don't buy showtime, hbo, etc.  anyways....) of course it's the very romanticized story of Henry VIII, but yet I see parallels between what he strove to do (and in some ways succeeded, at least for a while) and what libertarians say they want.  Isolating "his kingdom", putting himself in charge of basically everything...religion, taxes, "public" services (such as they were), trade, law, etc.  This is what libertarians say they want.  (they don't really, but that's what they say).  Complete control over everything, no outside governance, their word is all they need to live by.  But they won't admit that it WOULD involve the enslavement of others, because by and large I can't see libertarians out there digging their own latrines, disposing of their household waste, growing/raising all their own food, even in co-ops.  They have a laughingly romantic version of a pure shining self reliant world in their head, completely disassociated with reality.  And we all know how it ended for Henry.

Just an observation, but there it is.
 
2013-08-01 10:18:01 AM

verbaltoxin: TOX KEEP FRUIT OF OWN LABOR. TOX NO WANT G MAN TELL TOX HOW TO MAKE SHARP SPEAR ROCKS.


THIS NEED BE LIBERTERRAN CAVE MAN THREAD NOW.

WHEN THAG ON DISABILITY AND WELFARE THAG NO ASK ANYONE FOR HELP! THAG PULL HIMSELF OUT OF GUTTER WITHOUT HANDOUT!
 
2013-08-01 10:19:47 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-01 10:21:38 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: cubic_spleen:

With genuine libertarians, perhaps. The self-confessed American right-wing 'libertarians' are really Republicans who long for a return to feudalism, in the laughably false assumption that they will be inside the castle walls.

I've recently discovered The Tudors on prime.  (yes, I know, but I'm usually 2-4 years behind on these things since I don't buy showtime, hbo, etc.  anyways....) of course it's the very romanticized story of Henry VIII, but yet I see parallels between what he strove to do (and in some ways succeeded, at least for a while) and what libertarians say they want.  Isolating "his kingdom", putting himself in charge of basically everything...religion, taxes, "public" services (such as they were), trade, law, etc.  This is what libertarians say they want.  (they don't really, but that's what they say).  Complete control over everything, no outside governance, their word is all they need to live by.  But they won't admit that it WOULD involve the enslavement of others, because by and large I can't see libertarians out there digging their own latrines, disposing of their household waste, growing/raising all their own food, even in co-ops.  They have a laughingly romantic version of a pure shining self reliant world in their head, completely disassociated with reality.  And we all know how it ended for Henry.

Just an observation, but there it is.


Reminds me of that Atlas Shrugged 2: 2 hours later comic. "What? You mean we have to till our own soil or we'll starve?!!?!"
 
2013-08-01 10:21:38 AM

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.  I get no money for my autistic son.  No money for my disabling medical condition  including no medical help at all.  I make half the median income for the state.  The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity.  We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens  people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves.  They expect someone else to pay for it.  Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.


Ok, I'll bite.  So, out of principal you deny your child services designed specifically to maximize his potential to become a functioning member of society, with the likely result that down the road when you are no longer around to care for him, he then becomes more dependent on the government for assistance than he may have been had he received therapy? Am I reading that right? Or at this point has he maximized improvement and will remain at his present functional level? I am not snarking, I have a niece and a nephew who are autistic and who, through therapy paid for by taxes, are improving by leaps and bounds. I am close enough to see their progress on an almost daily basis and I know for a fact that had they not had the intensive therapy, they would be far behind where they are now, and would be far more likely to need assistance throughout their adult lives. Statistics bear that out as well. It's madness to take a libertarian stand on the issue of services to the disabled early on when those services can minimize taxpayer support down the road. I know the mileage varies greatly, and some kids will never significantly improve no matter what, but even including that subset, there's no denying the cost effectiveness of early therapy.
 
2013-08-01 10:22:17 AM
 
2013-08-01 10:22:55 AM

verbaltoxin: dentalhilljack: I'm not 100% LP.org "Libertarian" because I do recognize that there are some government safety nets, consumer protections, and public goods/infrastructure that are valuable, but on average I do agree with their general philosophy that a smaller, more efficient government is better than what we have.  True tax & spend liberals have always pissed me off, but as I've grown up into the semi-responsible adult that I am I've been driven away from the Republicans by the extreme hypocrisy of social conservatives who want government out of our wallets but in our bedrooms.

What pisses me off even more than a tax & spender or a social conservative, though, is the tea party types suddenly claiming a "libertarian" viewpoint when 90% of the tea party would shoot a queer or colored boy on sight.  You folks can't cherry-pick small government platitudes without accepting that your wanting to live free from interference means that mixed race gay couple in town also gets to live free from interference.  If Obama wasn't elected you would still be worshiping at the altar of Karl Rove and not yelling about a rapidly expanding debt, even though W added the second-highest amount to it.

Ah..um...what?


That sounded different in my head.  I was typing using the voice of a tea party regular speaking it with a twang.  Obviously it didn't translate too well to the typed word.
 
2013-08-01 10:23:24 AM

eiger: bopis: eiger: As a matter of historical fact, America was most economically prosperous and equal when the "tax & spend liberals" were in charge. Now that's a correlation, not necessarily a causation, but I'm just saying. Whenever conservatives have had a lot of influence (see late 19th c., the 1920s, the last few decades) things have consistently gotten worse for the average American. Once again, that's a correlation, not necessarily a causation, but it is an interesting one.

Ya but is that like the current trend, where Obama is having to "fix" everything his predecessor did?

WTF are you talking about?


I'm talking about whether economic policies take effect overnight or not or how much an administration is responsible for them. Everything in the first few years of the Regan administration was blamed on Carter, everything in the last few years has been blamed on Bush.
 
2013-08-01 10:25:53 AM

bopis: someonelse: bopis: Liberal thinking:
Liberals agree with me 100% of the time and that makes them more highly evolved.
Conservatives disagree with me on pretty much 100% of issues, that makes them evil!
Libertarians agree/disagree with me on maybe 50% of issues, that makes them the worst!

I'll bet you thought that was clever when you were typing it. Unfortunately, it just comes off as simple minded.

I'm an idiot for oversimplifying things in a FARK THREAD?
That is pretty much my point. Seems like Liberals have a deeper, more special hate for libertarians even though there is probably a lot more common ground. I think that speaks to the closemindedness of the average liberal.
Let's decriminalize homosexuality and end the war on drugs, then we can go back to the retard flame war?


It's not the Right's stance on gay marriage that's threatening to bring down the government if Obamacare isn't defunded this year, it's the Right's Libertarian "small government" leanings.

There are very few real Libertarians in the House, and RAND PAUL is suckling on the Tea Party teat. The Tea Party takes everything the Left hates about Republicans (social conservatardism) and everything the Left hates about Libertarians ("SMALL GOVERNMENT EXCEPT THE STUFF I LIKE") and wraps them up in one coifed, white, southern-accent-having package.

But really, no one wants to see an abolition of regulations on business except Big Business and people who've been brainwashed into thinking that they'll somehow be better off without the government looking after their roads, infrastructure, safety codes, etc.
 
drp
2013-08-01 10:26:11 AM
Fark's libertarian hate is easy to understand, but disappointing nonetheless.

The Republicans hate us because we don't hate gay people and the 1st & 4th Amendments like they do.  They want big government and police-state powers when it's convenient for them, and a drug war to pander to their small-minded constituents who want toughness on crime.

The Democrats hate us because we don't hate corporations and the 2nd Amendment like they do.  They want big government and police-state powers when it's convenient for them, and a drug war to pander to their small-minded constituents who want toughness on crime.

Taxes?  It's the Tea Party that's rabidly and irrationally anti-tax.  I'm quite content paying taxes to keep all the gears of civilization turning.


In a libertarian US, a couple of gay men could get married in Omaha while smoking joints, and then buy matching pink select-fire AR-15s while honeymooning in San Francisco.  And then they'd check the 'married filing jointly' box on their 1040 and pay their taxes to keep the roads paved and the 4th-Amendment-obeying cops' salaries paid.  But that kind of freedom would just upset too many of you R/D slaves, I guess.
 
2013-08-01 10:27:30 AM
So where does the more personal freedom/less corporate largess/more boobies voter go?
 
2013-08-01 10:27:35 AM

GoldSpider: I thought there was a lot more interesting information in the article than just the picture, subby.


I wouldn't blame subby. The modmins clearly changed the link to another article entirely.
 
2013-08-01 10:28:53 AM

tentaculistic: Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It


Is it hypocritical for a russian peasant to complain about the length of a soviet bread line?
 
2013-08-01 10:28:56 AM

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.  I get no money for my autistic son.  No money for my disabling medical condition  including no medical help at all.  I make half the median income for the state.  The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity.  We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens  people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves.  They expect someone else to pay for it.  Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.


Revek, I don't want this to come across as insulting as it inevitably will, so, my apologies in advance.
In your profile, you have a link to your business...a computer repair/maintenance business. Am I correct in that?
And you live in Arkansas, where the median income, from the US census, is around $22K.
If your business is only bringing in around $11K a year, you're doing something very, very wrong.
 
2013-08-01 10:33:03 AM

Revek: We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves


In YOUR MIND, that's the world today. That's called confirmation bias. You sound bitter.

Did you catch that you are blaming others for "today's world"?
 
2013-08-01 10:33:59 AM

drp: In a libertarian US, a couple of gay men could get married in Omaha while smoking joints, and then buy matching pink select-fire AR-15s while honeymooning in San Francisco. And then they'd check the 'married filing jointly' box on their 1040 and pay their taxes to keep the roads paved and the 4th-Amendment-obeying cops' salaries paid. But that kind of freedom would just upset too many of you R/D slaves, I guess.


No, in a libertarian state, there would be no 1040, because there would be no income tax.  The services given to the average citizen wouldn't include social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment, or any type of public assistance.  There also wouldn't be much in the way of food or automobile regulation, an no one would have to have thing like auto insurance.

It sounds like you lean slightly libertarian, but embrace none of the ideas they espouse beyond basic social policy.
 
2013-08-01 10:34:11 AM
I realize it's a very, very selective sampling, as I know only two self-proclaimed Libertarians, but in both of their cases, they're the most hypocritical pieces of crap I've ever run across. It's not even the "who paid for those roads you drive on, then?", it's the fact that they espouse their Libertarianism while one is on unemployment ("this isn't welfare, this is my right") and the other defrauds food stamps, disability, unemployment, and the 3 fathers of her 4 children.
(interestingly enough, both of them are very, VERY racist people, so they might just be pieces of shiat, regardless)
 
2013-08-01 10:34:48 AM

drp: Fark's libertarian hate is easy to understand, but disappointing nonetheless.

The Republicans hate us because we don't hate gay people and the 1st & 4th Amendments like they do.  They want big government and police-state powers when it's convenient for them, and a drug war to pander to their small-minded constituents who want toughness on crime.

The Democrats hate us because we don't hate corporations and the 2nd Amendment like they do.  They want big government and police-state powers when it's convenient for them, and a drug war to pander to their small-minded constituents who want toughness on crime.

Taxes?  It's the Tea Party that's rabidly and irrationally anti-tax.  I'm quite content paying taxes to keep all the gears of civilization turning.


In a libertarian US, a couple of gay men could get married in Omaha while smoking joints, and then buy matching pink select-fire AR-15s while honeymooning in San Francisco.  And then they'd check the 'married filing jointly' box on their 1040 and pay their taxes to keep the roads paved and the 4th-Amendment-obeying cops' salaries paid.  But that kind of freedom would just upset too many of you R/D slaves, I guess.


Ah, the Libertarian 101, super simplistic view of the world. "All Republicans think this way, and all Democrats think that way!" bullshiat.

THAT'S why liberals "hate" you. You can't deal with the real world and its complexities.
 
2013-08-01 10:35:48 AM

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.  I get no money for my autistic son.  No money for my disabling medical condition  including no medical help at all.  I make half the median income for the state.  The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity.  We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens  people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves.  They expect someone else to pay for it.  Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.


I like how YOU decided to harm your son in the long term by not getting offered treatment early in his life when it could have made a difference.  I too have an autistic son.  You know what I would do to get him even slightly closer to mainstream so he can have a happy and healthy (and ultimately more productive) life?  ANYTHING.  I'll take from the government, borrow against my house, take money from my aged parents, strangers.  Want to see me streak?  Pay for my son's therapy and I'll even let you spank my bare ass.

So I'm going to say it.  Your libertarian principles broke libertarian principles.  You, by your neglect, harmed another.  You HARMED your own SON!  That makes you a highly principled monster and if your son later is not able to function, we the people have to care for his well being after you are gone.

There is a role of the state.  One of those roles is to keep me from punching you in your evil face and taking your son away from you because you are a neglectful mouthbreather.  Hope your piety keeps you well in your old age, because your son will be too busy struggling to help you.
 
2013-08-01 10:37:04 AM

eiger: As a matter of historical fact, America was most economically prosperous and equal when the "tax & spend liberals" were in charge.


The US peak was somewhere between the Johnson and Nixon administrations, with fairly little difference either way between them.

It occurred almost coincidentally there, mainly because Europe finally recovered from WWII somewhere around 1970.
 
2013-08-01 10:38:57 AM

plewis: Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.  I get no money for my autistic son.  No money for my disabling medical condition  including no medical help at all.  I make half the median income for the state.  The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity.  We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens  people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves.  They expect someone else to pay for it.  Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.

I like how YOU decided to harm your son in the long term by not getting offered treatment early in his life when it could have made a difference.  I too have an autistic son.  You know what I would do to get him even slightly closer to mainstream so he can have a happy and healthy (and ultimately more productive) life?  ANYTHING.  I'll take from the government, borrow against my house, take money from my aged parents, strangers.  Want to see me streak?  Pay for my son's therapy and I'll even let you spank my bare ass.

So I'm going to say it.  Your libertarian principles broke libertarian principles.  You, by your neglect, harmed another.  You HARMED your own SON!  That makes you a highly principled monster and if your son later is not able to function, we the people have to care for his well being after you are gone.

There is a role of the state.  One of those roles is to keep me from punching you in your evil face and taking your son away from you because you are a neglectful mouthbreather.  Hope your piety keeps you well in your old age, because your son will be too busy struggling to help you.


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2013-08-01 10:40:29 AM

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.  I get no money for my autistic son.  No money for my disabling medical condition  including no medical help at all.  I make half the median income for the state.  The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity.  We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens  people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves.  They expect someone else to pay for it.  Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.


Math time. Just over ten years ago, in a county in PA, it cost  $303,000/mile to replace the underlayment in macadamized roads (put in better base rock and repave). Costs go up, and in 2008 in Pittsburgh it cost an average of $338,000 per mile to repave city streets (usually 24 feet wide). So that's around a million dollars every three miles... and much more for the interstate system.

Ever use a weather forecast to determine whether to take a coat or an umbrella, or what day of the week to get the lawnmower out?

Test all your own food for toxins and pathogens? Ever used a library in your life? Taught yourself t read, or went to a private school totally paid for by your family?

Tell us again how you've received nothing from the government. You sound like a teenager complaining that they never get to do anything when there's a whole system of support around you you just take for granted. And, quite frankly, those of us that recognize society are sick of the bullshiat.
 
2013-08-01 10:41:08 AM

mediablitz: drp: Fark's libertarian hate is easy to understand, but disappointing nonetheless.

The Republicans hate us because we don't hate gay people and the 1st & 4th Amendments like they do.  They want big government and police-state powers when it's convenient for them, and a drug war to pander to their small-minded constituents who want toughness on crime.

The Democrats hate us because we don't hate corporations and the 2nd Amendment like they do.  They want big government and police-state powers when it's convenient for them, and a drug war to pander to their small-minded constituents who want toughness on crime.

Taxes?  It's the Tea Party that's rabidly and irrationally anti-tax.  I'm quite content paying taxes to keep all the gears of civilization turning.


In a libertarian US, a couple of gay men could get married in Omaha while smoking joints, and then buy matching pink select-fire AR-15s while honeymooning in San Francisco.  And then they'd check the 'married filing jointly' box on their 1040 and pay their taxes to keep the roads paved and the 4th-Amendment-obeying cops' salaries paid.  But that kind of freedom would just upset too many of you R/D slaves, I guess.

Ah, the Libertarian 101, super simplistic view of the world. "All Republicans think this way, and all Democrats think that way!" bullshiat.

THAT'S why liberals "hate" you. You can't deal with the real world and its complexities.


so EVERYone hates ALL of those people becase they ALL generalize?
 
2013-08-01 10:43:13 AM
 
2013-08-01 10:45:31 AM

Khellendros: No, in a libertarian state, there would be no 1040, because there would be no income tax. The services given to the average citizen wouldn't include social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment, or any type of public assistance. There also wouldn't be much in the way of food or automobile regulation, an no one would have to have thing like auto insurance.


There's nothing in libertarianism that prevents unemployment or auto insurance. Hell, there are plenty of non-state or non-mandatory insurance mutuals.

The income tax thing is interesting, and while arguably true, it also ignores that direct taxes have mostly disappeared in its stead.

I don't quite follow you on food/automobile regulation. Even independent of NHTSA and the FDA, states already regulate these things, and even the States-Rights interpretation of the Constitution pretty clearly lets the Fed handle the interstate aspects.
 
2013-08-01 10:47:24 AM

Jackpot777: Ever used a library in your life?


I have. Andrew Carnegie bought it.
 
2013-08-01 10:49:03 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: plewis:

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cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-08-01 10:50:11 AM

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.  I get no money for my autistic son.  No money for my disabling medical condition  including no medical help at all.  I make half the median income for the state.  The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity.  We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens  people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves.  They expect someone else to pay for it.  Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.


A few government-subsidized apostrophes wouldn't hurt.
 
2013-08-01 10:50:44 AM
Tea Party Protesters Protest D.C. Metro Service


Protesters who attended Saturday's Tea Party rally in Washington found a new reason to be upset: Apparently they are unhappy with the level of service provided by the subway system.

Rep. Kevin Brady asked for an explanation of why the government-run subway system didn't, in his view, adequately prepare for this past weekend's rally to protest government spending and government services.  The Texas Republican on Wednesday released a letter he sent to Washington's Metro system complaining that the taxpayer-funded subway system was unable to properly transport protesters to the rally to protest government spending and expansion.

"These individuals came all the way from Southeast Texas to protest the excessive spending and growing government intrusion by the 111th Congress and the new Obama administration," Brady wrote.

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Not surprising, really.
 
2013-08-01 10:51:55 AM

plewis: I like how YOU decided to harm your son in the long term by not getting offered treatment early in his life when it could have made a difference.  I too have an autistic son.  You know what I would do to get him even slightly closer to mainstream so he can have a happy and healthy (and ultimately more productive) life?  ANYTHING.  I'll take from the government, borrow against my house, take money from my aged parents, strangers.  Want to see me streak?  Pay for my son's therapy and I'll even let you spank my bare ass.


this is not sarcastic

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2013-08-01 10:52:43 AM
Did I miss something in TFA, or did Subby just pick out some random article to go along with his headline?

Small l libertarianism is the most accurate descriptor of my political philosophy. I work for the government. I don't think twice about taking whatever handouts are available even while actively opposing them. It's the only rational thing to do.

Thanks for picking up the bulk of the cost of the solar panels that got turned on yesterday on the house you paid me $8000 to buy with the mortgage you subsidize on multiple levels, fellow taxpayers!
 
2013-08-01 10:53:00 AM

CrazyCracka420: Satan's Bunny Slippers: plewis:

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Your jib.  I like it's cut.
 
2013-08-01 10:54:18 AM

This text is now purple: Jackpot777: Ever used a library in your life?

I have. Andrew Carnegie bought it.


Does he still pay for the upkeep and running of the building, or is it impervious to weather and run by perpetual motion machine? Seeing as he died almost a century ago, and what with buildings having parts exposed to the elements and how electrical systems work.
 
2013-08-01 10:59:46 AM

This text is now purple: There's nothing in libertarianism that prevents unemployment or auto insurance. Hell, there are plenty of non-state or non-mandatory insurance mutuals.


There's a lot in libertarianism that prevents REQUIRED auto insurance - which then poorer families won't get.  They'll be criminally held responsible for damages, sure, but that does nothing to make victims whole.  State and federal unemployment insurance would go quickly behind.

This text is now purple: I don't quite follow you on food/automobile regulation. Even independent of NHTSA and the FDA, states already regulate these things, and even the States-Rights interpretation of the Constitution pretty clearly lets the Fed handle the interstate aspects


Libertarian politicians have consistently pushed for the abolition of most regulatory and/or funding agencies at the federal level, including the USDA, the NHTSA, the DOT, NIST, the FDA, and even the NSF.  Some also adopt the wonderful right-wing ideas of dropping the EPA, DOI, the DOE, and a dozen others.  Any department of regulation or standards is top of the list in elimination under libertarian policies.  They target tax structures next.
 
2013-08-01 10:59:49 AM
So you are determined to live a shiatty life, if it means your conscience is clean?

You damn right.  My conscience being clean is more important to me than the comfort I live in.
 
2013-08-01 11:00:33 AM

LasersHurt: SovietCanuckistan: I have always wondered why all the Libertarian threads on Fark  go so long and get so many reactions.

Because for Years now Libertarians have tried to "educate" everyone on what Libertarians really are, since we keep insisting on judging them by the actions and words of the people who call themselves Libertarians.



This.

Every time someone calling themselves a libertarian does something dumb in the news, I ask my libertarian friends, "What do you think of this?"

And, consistantly and unanimously they say, "Oh, [that person] isn't a ~real~ libertarian."

They've even said this about Ron Paul.


It's almost like it's the libertarian version of Mission Impossible.

"And if you say something, anything at all, the libertarian movement will farking disavow that you ever farking existed."
 
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