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2013-07-31 11:58:29 PM
Most of the people I run into are either on prescriptions, self medicating, or both.
 
2013-08-01 12:12:28 AM
hit me
 
2013-08-01 12:16:18 AM
insane....in the membrane, ese?
 
2013-08-01 12:16:35 AM

simplicimus: Most of the people I run into are either on prescriptions, self medicating, or both.


I'd be pretty paranoid too if some random Farker kept running into me.
 
2013-08-01 12:17:52 AM
Symptoms that you might be insane: you post in the "Politics" Tab.
 
2013-08-01 12:18:45 AM
Yeah, uh! Get up, now! Ow! Knock out this!
I feel good!
 
2013-08-01 12:19:09 AM

Omahawg: insane....in the membrane, ese?


Don't you know?
 
2013-08-01 12:19:52 AM
Because many things that are today called "crippling mental illness" used to be called "get the fark over it."
 
2013-08-01 12:22:37 AM
Too late.
 
2013-08-01 12:22:59 AM

Daniels: Because many things that are today called "crippling mental illness" used to be called "get the fark over it."


And everything was perfect in that magical long ago land.
 
2013-08-01 12:23:09 AM
In before this devolves into a support group meeting for whatever fashionable diagnosis is going around.
 
2013-08-01 12:24:42 AM
Well that was farking useless. Unless you can compare the mental illness rates of America with other countries the headline is specious.
 
2013-08-01 12:25:56 AM
Living in Africa will drive you to diarrhea
 
2013-08-01 12:26:45 AM

fusillade762: Well that was farking useless. Unless you can compare the mental illness rates of America with other countries the headline is specious.


Other countries have different criteria, so a comparison is useles unless a random sampling of foreigners are brought to an American doctor to diagnose them.
 
2013-08-01 12:28:22 AM

Antagonism: Daniels: Because many things that are today called "crippling mental illness" used to be called "get the fark over it."

And everything was perfect in that magical long ago land.


Well of course it was perfect. They would just become alcoholics and mentally/physically abuse their families or suffer in silence in a society that told them to "get the fark over it" until they killed themselves. Like God intended.
 
2013-08-01 12:28:31 AM
My Grandmother didnt know how good she had it with her fancy soup lines, dust bowls and world wars.

We cant even get dying in child birth or contracting polio right these days!
 
2013-08-01 12:29:46 AM

simplicimus: Most of the people I run into are either on prescriptions, self medicating, or both.


Fark is my self-medication. God help me.

Omahawg: insane....in the membrane, ese?


WoW, I see what you did there.
 
2013-08-01 12:30:26 AM
Good thing all those antidepressants are in our food and water.
 
2013-08-01 12:31:00 AM

fusillade762: Well that was farking useless. Unless you can compare the mental illness rates of America with other countries the headline is specious.


media4.s-nbcnews.com
 
2013-08-01 12:31:11 AM
I was going to comment on the article, then I heard a commercial on the radio for a medication to treat "Shift Work Sleep Disorder" that may cause a fatal rash on the eyeballs, suicide, or irregular heartbeat, but HEY you'll be awake for your shiatty night job if you're not dead, and got substantially more depressed about 'Merica.
 
2013-08-01 12:32:52 AM
I just finished another 15-hour work day, so getting a kick, etc.
 
2013-08-01 12:34:40 AM

Antagonism: Daniels: Because many things that are today called "crippling mental illness" used to be called "get the fark over it."

And everything was perfect in that magical long ago land.


Didn't say that, but citing an increase in mental illness when several hundred thousand cases wouldn't have been considered mental illness as recently as ten years ago tells us nothing.
 
2013-08-01 12:35:45 AM
These are symptoms of a society that values faith, fear and a futile life to prop up those at the top. A little egalitarianism goes a long way into producing a happy, productive and prosperous populace, but with the forced authoritarianism that is American capitalism, things will only get worse. Capitalism in and of itself is not evil (and is the best system out there), but soulless financialization of all aspects of life kill the human spirit and the drive to innovate. The end all and be all of life and Capitalism is not just profit, but to use the profits earned to better all - not to sit in an imaginary account, horded for no gain but temporary power. This has been lost - and never truly realized by a capitalistic society, and thus the drive by American corporatists to profit off all aspects of life, birth to grave has pushed drugs and stigma onto non-conformers - aka those who wish to innovate.
 
2013-08-01 12:35:46 AM
Also will drive you insane:
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-01 12:36:47 AM

Daniels: Antagonism: Daniels: Because many things that are today called "crippling mental illness" used to be called "get the fark over it."

And everything was perfect in that magical long ago land.

Didn't say that, but citing an increase in mental illness when several hundred thousand cases wouldn't have been considered mental illness as recently as ten years ago tells us nothing.


Actually it tells us a lot, but I'll leave that to the big boy scientists to explain.
 
2013-08-01 12:39:27 AM

Antagonism: Daniels: Antagonism: Daniels: Because many things that are today called "crippling mental illness" used to be called "get the fark over it."

And everything was perfect in that magical long ago land.

Didn't say that, but citing an increase in mental illness when several hundred thousand cases wouldn't have been considered mental illness as recently as ten years ago tells us nothing.

Actually it tells us a lot, but I'll leave that to the big boy scientists to explain.


Actually, I'd rather know which comes first, the ailment or the drug?
 
2013-08-01 12:40:30 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: simplicimus: Most of the people I run into are either on prescriptions, self medicating, or both.

I'd be pretty paranoid too if some random Farker kept running into me.


What makes you think it's random?
 
2013-08-01 12:43:53 AM

Antagonism: Daniels: Antagonism: Daniels: Because many things that are today called "crippling mental illness" used to be called "get the fark over it."

And everything was perfect in that magical long ago land.

Didn't say that, but citing an increase in mental illness when several hundred thousand cases wouldn't have been considered mental illness as recently as ten years ago tells us nothing.

Actually it tells us a lot, but I'll leave that to the big boy scientists to explain.


You're right.  It tells us that things people used to just live with are now things that have to be treated by drugs.  Which I'm sure is much healthier as big pharma definitely has people's best interests at heart.
 
2013-08-01 12:44:46 AM
You can say what you want about over diagnosis and over prescribing but I truly thought the suicide rate had gone down with the new antidepressants. Having it go up that much in that short of a period of time is baffling.
 
2013-08-01 12:46:43 AM

simplicimus: Actually, I'd rather know which comes first, the ailment or the drug?


First the one, then the other, then the first one again -- only more so. FTA:

Whitaker argues that the adverse effects of psychiatric medications are the primary cause of the epidemic. He reports that these drugs, for many patients, cause episodic and moderate emotional and behavioral problems to become severe, chronic and disabling ones...Whitaker reports, "The scientific literature shows that many patients treated for a milder problem will worsen in response to a drug-say have a manic episode after taking an antidepressant-and that can lead to a new and more severe diagnosis like bipolar disorder."
 
2013-08-01 12:48:07 AM

Daniels: Antagonism: Daniels: Antagonism: Daniels: Because many things that are today called "crippling mental illness" used to be called "get the fark over it."

And everything was perfect in that magical long ago land.

Didn't say that, but citing an increase in mental illness when several hundred thousand cases wouldn't have been considered mental illness as recently as ten years ago tells us nothing.

Actually it tells us a lot, but I'll leave that to the big boy scientists to explain.

You're right.  It tells us that things people used to just live with are now things that have to be treated by drugs.  Which I'm sure is much healthier as big pharma definitely has people's best interests at heart.


People used to just live by walking everywhere. But I'm sure you own a car, because big oil has your best interests at heart.
 
2013-08-01 12:48:59 AM

Daniels: Because many things that are today called "crippling mental illness" used to be called "get the fark over it."


Those people used to never be able to give a fark about it.

gerardkeegan.com
 
2013-08-01 12:52:57 AM

Bumblefark: In before this devolves into a support group meeting for whatever fashionable diagnosis is going around.


Got you favorited for that remark.
 
2013-08-01 12:55:56 AM

Daniels: Because many things that are today called "crippling mental illness" used to be called "get the fark over it."


Sounds pretty "bootstrappy" to me....
 
2013-08-01 12:57:47 AM
So if you are from Florida then.......................
 
2013-08-01 01:02:21 AM
So what are they saying, freedom drives you nuts?
 
2013-08-01 01:06:30 AM

Bumblefark: simplicimus: Actually, I'd rather know which comes first, the ailment or the drug?

First the one, then the other, then the first one again -- only more so. FTA:

Whitaker argues that the adverse effects of psychiatric medications are the primary cause of the epidemic. He reports that these drugs, for many patients, cause episodic and moderate emotional and behavioral problems to become severe, chronic and disabling ones...Whitaker reports, "The scientific literature shows that many patients treated for a milder problem will worsen in response to a drug-say have a manic episode after taking an antidepressant-and that can lead to a new and more severe diagnosis like bipolar disorder."


I was on Cymbalta for a few months to fix my depression. It really didn't do much for me, except depress my libido. Now I see it's being marketed as a painkiller, which it certainly wasn't for me. So I'm a little sceptical that there aren't drugs out there looking for an ailment. To be fair, not everyone's metabolism responds identically to drugs.
 
2013-08-01 01:08:18 AM

DubtodaIll: So what are they saying, freedom drives you nuts?


When freedom just means choice in what products to consume, yeah.
 
2013-08-01 01:09:27 AM

simplicimus: DubtodaIll: So what are they saying, freedom drives you nuts?

When freedom just means choice in what products to consume, yeah.


Well the people selling and pushing have been free to do as they please as well, so has it not been our system that has produced this result?
 
2013-08-01 01:11:31 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-01 01:17:34 AM
If you live your life by what others tell you that you have to do, ( marry at 18, have 2.5 kids, white picket fence, new car every year) you are already crazy.
 
2013-08-01 01:17:58 AM

simplicimus: Antagonism: Daniels: Antagonism: Daniels: Because many things that are today called "crippling mental illness" used to be called "get the fark over it."

And everything was perfect in that magical long ago land.

Didn't say that, but citing an increase in mental illness when several hundred thousand cases wouldn't have been considered mental illness as recently as ten years ago tells us nothing.

Actually it tells us a lot, but I'll leave that to the big boy scientists to explain.

Actually, I'd rather know which comes first, the ailment or the drug?


Yes.

They go hand in hand.

There is a great deal of overdiagnosis going on, as doctors are pressured to call formerly ordinary (if slightly extreme) behavior "mental illness" because NOW THERE'S A DRUG THAT CAN TREAT THAT!! At the same time, there is a great deal of formerly undiagnosed illness being treated and tabulated that previously was merely passed over as "women are just hormonal" or "men just get angry sometimes" which is now being recognized as depression or mania--we have better diagnostic modalities.

In the same way, we have kids who should not be getting medicated so young for things which are no more than ordinary childhood behaviors--at the same time, doctors and researchers have realized that mental illnesses can and do manifest much earlier than previously believed, and can and should be treated with whatever therapies are available and safe.

So yes, even while there are people being "diagnosed" for nothing, there are people being diagnosed who formerly were not. Whether nor not they balance out is difficult to say; but it's unlikely that there are many many MORE people who are wrongly diagnosed (in other words, who are well and getting drugs they should not be getting) than who are finally being correctly diagnosed.
 
2013-08-01 01:27:41 AM
"The foundation of all mental illness is the avoidance of legitimate suffering."
- Carl Jung


America is a particularly egocentric culture. Self absorbed people are going to amplify their perceptions of suffering, and thus the avoidance of it increases.

I know it's not nearly as simple as the above, but I think that's at least one element to consider.

/didn't read the article, just throwing a random two cents in the pile.
 
2013-08-01 01:29:09 AM
www.sheilaomalley.com
 
2013-08-01 01:29:46 AM

my alt's alt's alt: I was going to comment on the article, then I heard a commercial on the radio for a medication to treat "Shift Work Sleep Disorder" that may cause a fatal rash on the eyeballs, suicide, or irregular heartbeat, but HEY you'll be awake for your shiatty night job if you're not dead, and got substantially more depressed about 'Merica.


Do you remember the name of that drug?
 
2013-08-01 01:31:26 AM

addy2: Bumblefark: In before this devolves into a support group meeting for whatever fashionable diagnosis is going around.

Got you favorited for that remark.


Heh. Usually, comments like that just get me added to somebody's ignore list.

/Turns out, when people spend years and thousands of dollars internalizing a psychiatric label as part of their self-identity, it can be sort of a touchy subject.
 
2013-08-01 01:38:51 AM

andynz81: "The foundation of all mental illness is the avoidance of legitimate suffering."
- Carl Jung


America is a particularly egocentric culture. Self absorbed people are going to amplify their perceptions of suffering, and thus the avoidance of it increases.

I know it's not nearly as simple as the above, but I think that's at least one element to consider.

/didn't read the article, just throwing a random two cents in the pile.


lol wut? How does one, even amplifying it, suffer and yet avoid that same suffering?

Being versed in the nature of psychosomatic illness, it is one way to look at it, but you also have to be treated in accordance to that perception of illness... which isn't available because it's an old and incomplete theory.

It's no different than telling someone to do fifty Hail Mary's.
 
2013-08-01 01:39:32 AM
That was actually a really well written piece. It helped me get over my lack of real journalism disorder..
 
2013-08-01 01:42:58 AM

autopsybeverage: I just finished another 15-hour work day, so getting a kick, etc.


You might have to walk the fine line, you might take the hard line, but everybody's working overtime.
 
2013-08-01 01:46:26 AM

Gyrfalcon: So yes, even while there are people being "diagnosed" for nothing, there are people being diagnosed who formerly were not. Whether nor not they balance out is difficult to say; but it's unlikely that there are many many MORE people who are wrongly diagnosed (in other words, who are well and getting drugs they should not be getting) than who are finally being correctly diagnosed.


Eh...except, as the article notes:

Even within mainstream psychiatry, few continue to argue that the increase in mental illness is due to previous under-diagnosis of mental disorders. The most common explanations for the mental illness epidemic include recent over-diagnosis of psychiatric disorders, diagnoses expansionism, and psychiatry's pathologizing normal behavior.
 
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