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2013-07-31 08:09:20 PM
Did the Joker get away?
 
2013-07-31 08:19:04 PM
Tell that to a certain pit crew after last year

www.jostens.com
 
2013-07-31 08:31:19 PM
I ALWAYS double check the work those guys do, or better yet sit in the bay and watch them do it. A friend of mine in college got an oil change from the cut rate local shop, and the village idiots they hired were farking around and forgot to put oil back in her car....
 
2013-07-31 08:31:24 PM
Probably Merchant's Tire.  fark those people in the ass and kill their mothers.
 
2013-07-31 08:35:07 PM
Ron White unavailable for comment?
 
2013-07-31 08:50:22 PM
Write the check, Johnny.
 
2013-07-31 08:53:37 PM
And once again the value of low wages asserts itself. You get what you pay for.

Course, I don't know what they get paid but I'm a trolin
 
2013-07-31 08:55:47 PM
I learned this lesson the hard way several years ago. Had a coupon for a free tire rotation included with an oil change at [redacted]. Driving home I noticed an extreme vibration of the steering wheel so I pulled over. Yep, the lugnuts on left front wheel were about to fall off. Fixored w/lugrwrench from trunk. I should have known better after a previous experience with another [redacted] company whose grease monkey didn't properly tighten the oil filter, resulting in a warning light (and narrowly avoided engine damage) a few days later. Ever since I have avoided quick/jiffy chains and used a certified, reputable local shop recommended by a friend.
 
2013-07-31 09:13:15 PM
CSB: Took my girl's car to get her oil changed because the place was charging less than I could even buy the oil and filter for. He's got the car up on the jack and he says, "One of these lugs is stripped and another post is missing."

I knew about the post but it was impossible that I stripped the lug because I hand tighten them every time. He wanted to replace the posts for $50 I said no way. He tried to say, "Well, the manager is being really cool because he shouldn't let you drive this out of here."

I'm like, "Yeah, I live 5 seconds away and you'll never see me again." Cost me about $4 to replace the posts and lugs myself.
 
2013-07-31 09:29:56 PM
my uncle took his minivan into a quick-lube place once and then BAM! massive heart-attack 22 years later.
 
2013-07-31 09:39:44 PM

jaylectricity: CSB: Took my girl's car to get her oil changed because the place was charging less than I could even buy the oil and filter for. He's got the car up on the jack and he says, "One of these lugs is stripped and another post is missing."

I knew about the post but it was impossible that I stripped the lug because I hand tighten them every time. He wanted to replace the posts for $50 I said no way. He tried to say, "Well, the manager is being really cool because he shouldn't let you drive this out of here."

I'm like, "Yeah, I live 5 seconds away and you'll never see me again." Cost me about $4 to replace the posts and lugs myself.


Why the fark were you driving a car with a missing post on one wheel?
 
2013-07-31 10:03:41 PM
CSB: I got my brakes fixed at a place here, and it was the end of the day.  They finished my car, and suddenly the dude who'd been working on my car waves me into the service bay to back my car out.  I know that's pretty irregular, but I figure, well, if it's OK with them...So I get in the car, start to back out, put my foot on the brake to slow down a little to start making the turn...and the brake pedal goes all the way down to the floor.  The idiot forgot to pump the brakes to put pressure in the system.  And I am now rolling down an embankment, headed for the plate glass window of a store facing the brake place.

My only thought, at that point, is to start turning the car.  I throw the steering wheel hard to the right, which turns me away from the store's plate glass window, and eventually I crash into a curb in front of the store.  I'm really just too shocked to be really mad about it, at least then.

Anyway, I didn't pay for the brakes, and I got a rental car (much nicer than the one I actually drove) for a couple of weeks while pretty extensive body work was done on my car, all on the store's dime.  But god damn was that some scary shiat.
 
2013-07-31 10:20:37 PM

Lsherm: jaylectricity: CSB: Took my girl's car to get her oil changed because the place was charging less than I could even buy the oil and filter for. He's got the car up on the jack and he says, "One of these lugs is stripped and another post is missing."

I knew about the post but it was impossible that I stripped the lug because I hand tighten them every time. He wanted to replace the posts for $50 I said no way. He tried to say, "Well, the manager is being really cool because he shouldn't let you drive this out of here."

I'm like, "Yeah, I live 5 seconds away and you'll never see me again." Cost me about $4 to replace the posts and lugs myself.

Why the fark were you driving a car with a missing post on one wheel?


4 outta 5 ain't bad.
 
2013-07-31 10:34:24 PM
My dealership did that one to me. When I brought it back, they quoted me $1200 for parts without even checking it!! So, I took it to a mechanic friend and she found the lugnuts. I never even bothered to check.
 
2013-07-31 10:49:34 PM
I bought a truck off of one of my cousins.  Being the nice guy he is, he took it to Jiffy Lube to get all the fluids changed first.  I drove it 300 miles home, before the tranny went.  Idiots forgot to put the plug back on.
 
2013-07-31 11:08:22 PM

jake_lex: CSB: I got my brakes fixed at a place here, and it was the end of the day.  They finished my car, and suddenly the dude who'd been working on my car waves me into the service bay to back my car out.  I know that's pretty irregular, but I figure, well, if it's OK with them...So I get in the car, start to back out, put my foot on the brake to slow down a little to start making the turn...and the brake pedal goes all the way down to the floor.  The idiot forgot to pump the brakes to put pressure in the system.  And I am now rolling down an embankment, headed for the plate glass window of a store facing the brake place.

My only thought, at that point, is to start turning the car.  I throw the steering wheel hard to the right, which turns me away from the store's plate glass window, and eventually I crash into a curb in front of the store.  I'm really just too shocked to be really mad about it, at least then.

Anyway, I didn't pay for the brakes, and I got a rental car (much nicer than the one I actually drove) for a couple of weeks while pretty extensive body work was done on my car, all on the store's dime.  But god damn was that some scary shiat.


You don't know what an emergency/parking brake is?
 
2013-08-01 02:03:03 AM
Sometimes i think i should specify the torque and tell them that i am going to watch them use the torque wrench.

If you think that's bad, i've heard stories of studs shearing off multiple hubs at freeway speeds due to over-torqued lugs.
 
2013-08-01 02:50:03 AM
CSB:

At LSA Anaconda, someone in my unit forgot to tighten the lug nuts and the wheel fell off over by the PX. Boy was that funny as shiat. I don't remember if the guy was chewed out for that.
 
2013-08-01 04:44:20 AM

Asa Phelps: freeway speeds


0mph in bumper to bumper traffic?
 
2013-08-01 06:38:51 AM

Pokey.Clyde: jake_lex: CSB: I got my brakes fixed at a place here, and it was the end of the day.  They finished my car, and suddenly the dude who'd been working on my car waves me into the service bay to back my car out.  I know that's pretty irregular, but I figure, well, if it's OK with them...So I get in the car, start to back out, put my foot on the brake to slow down a little to start making the turn...and the brake pedal goes all the way down to the floor.  The idiot forgot to pump the brakes to put pressure in the system.  And I am now rolling down an embankment, headed for the plate glass window of a store facing the brake place.

My only thought, at that point, is to start turning the car.  I throw the steering wheel hard to the right, which turns me away from the store's plate glass window, and eventually I crash into a curb in front of the store.  I'm really just too shocked to be really mad about it, at least then.

Anyway, I didn't pay for the brakes, and I got a rental car (much nicer than the one I actually drove) for a couple of weeks while pretty extensive body work was done on my car, all on the store's dime.  But god damn was that some scary shiat.

You don't know what an emergency/parking brake is?


IIRC it's still needs the brake system to be working. Do newer models allow you to throw the transmission into park to stop the car?
 
2013-08-01 06:41:57 AM
Guess he didn't go to Tire College.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii8rC6CPCvM
 
GBB
2013-08-01 06:46:36 AM

thatboyoverthere: Pokey.Clyde: jake_lex: CSB: I got my brakes fixed at a place here, and it was the end of the day.  They finished my car, and suddenly the dude who'd been working on my car waves me into the service bay to back my car out.  I know that's pretty irregular, but I figure, well, if it's OK with them...So I get in the car, start to back out, put my foot on the brake to slow down a little to start making the turn...and the brake pedal goes all the way down to the floor.  The idiot forgot to pump the brakes to put pressure in the system.  And I am now rolling down an embankment, headed for the plate glass window of a store facing the brake place.

My only thought, at that point, is to start turning the car.  I throw the steering wheel hard to the right, which turns me away from the store's plate glass window, and eventually I crash into a curb in front of the store.  I'm really just too shocked to be really mad about it, at least then.

Anyway, I didn't pay for the brakes, and I got a rental car (much nicer than the one I actually drove) for a couple of weeks while pretty extensive body work was done on my car, all on the store's dime.  But god damn was that some scary shiat.

You don't know what an emergency/parking brake is?

IIRC it's still needs the brake system to be working. Do newer models allow you to throw the transmission into park to stop the car?


Negative.  The emergency brake is a physical connection between the handle/pedal and your rear brakes.  It's there for emergencies, like total loss of brake fluid from a cut hose or what not.  It would have worked.... as long as it has been properly maintained.
 
2013-08-01 06:49:22 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Told ya.
 
2013-08-01 06:53:41 AM

thatboyoverthere: Pokey.Clyde: jake_lex: CSB: I got my brakes fixed at a place here, and it was the end of the day.  They finished my car, and suddenly the dude who'd been working on my car waves me into the service bay to back my car out.  I know that's pretty irregular, but I figure, well, if it's OK with them...So I get in the car, start to back out, put my foot on the brake to slow down a little to start making the turn...and the brake pedal goes all the way down to the floor.  The idiot forgot to pump the brakes to put pressure in the system.  And I am now rolling down an embankment, headed for the plate glass window of a store facing the brake place.

My only thought, at that point, is to start turning the car.  I throw the steering wheel hard to the right, which turns me away from the store's plate glass window, and eventually I crash into a curb in front of the store.  I'm really just too shocked to be really mad about it, at least then.

Anyway, I didn't pay for the brakes, and I got a rental car (much nicer than the one I actually drove) for a couple of weeks while pretty extensive body work was done on my car, all on the store's dime.  But god damn was that some scary shiat.

You don't know what an emergency/parking brake is?

IIRC it's still needs the brake system to be working. Do newer models allow you to throw the transmission into park to stop the car?


The parking brake is mechanical on most cars and seperate from the hydraulic system.
 
2013-08-01 06:56:24 AM
Way too slow to reply on this phone.
 
2013-08-01 06:58:22 AM

Lsherm: Probably Merchant's Tire.  fark those people in the ass and kill their mothers.


Eh, I like my local Merchant's had some tire issues a few times and they have been on top of their shiat. They're currently changing my oil as we speak.
 
2013-08-01 07:01:57 AM
After the ordeal did he sing, "You picked a fine time to leave me loose wheel."
 
2013-08-01 07:02:57 AM

SilentStrider: Ron White unavailable for comment?


Thread's over...thank you and good night.
 
2013-08-01 07:06:46 AM
Had this happen twice. First time I was 16 and on my way to school.  Was driving about 35 mph at the time, but proceeded to make a right turn at a stoplight nearby. A few seconds later, the previously attached wheel rambled its way into the side of my beloved Plymouth Volare, marring its faux-woodgrain.  I never figured out what had happened or how, as the wheel came off, but the lug nuts remained. Just ripped through the rim, while driving in a straight line. Should have asked my Physics teacher.
 The second time was about 6 years ago after a rotation, Wheel came off, and just rolled off into the woods. 45 mph that time. I had spare lug nuts and reattached the wheel. Never went back to that place, as it would have led to trouble,.

Both times it was a front wheel, on a RWD vehicle unlike this accident.
 
2013-08-01 07:16:25 AM
Ron White:
"I was in Georgia on tour when i noticed that the tires on my van were wearing weird, so i took it to Sears Automotive a trusted name in automotive care...it took them 3 and a half hours to change 4 tires...they had to wittle one out of a piece of wheat...and $900 of my hard earned cash, I took the first right hand turn out of the parking lot and the left rear tire falls off, it falls off, it falls the F*** off..turning my van into a tripod, sending me into a dimension of pissed off i have never been in before in my life! Later through research i discovered that this guy was a tire guy, he didn't somedays work on transmissions...he was a tire guy. Apparently Sears sent him to tire...college...for 3 days, apparently he was sick on LUGNUT DAY, but they still let him work on my van! So i'm sueing them and I'm hoping by this time next year they will have to rename the Sears Tower in Chicago to ehh Ron White's Big Ole God Damn Building and you guys can all come party!"
 
2013-08-01 07:19:58 AM
Happened to a friend of mine last year.  Could have killed him.

The shop said, "Not our problem."  The car insurance company suggested that they change their mind if they wanted to stay in business.
 
2013-08-01 07:22:19 AM

Elegy: I ALWAYS double check the work those guys do, or better yet sit in the bay and watch them do it. A friend of mine in college got an oil change from the cut rate local shop, and the village idiots they hired were farking around and forgot to put oil back in her car....


Everyone should double check the work especially at places like JiffyScrew.  I took my mom's car in for an oil change and the idiots forced the oil plug back into the oil pan, stripping the threads causing  a rapid oil leak,  causing a total cluster fark and a blown engine.  Took three years of legal wrangling but the b'stards finally paid up.

If I only had looked -  took 30 seconds and looked at the bloody plug, it would have saved an old lady three years of bull shiat.  And what really makes me mad is my brother warned me to check.  Still haven't lived it down  15 years.
 
2013-08-01 07:25:20 AM

Jamieboy: Elegy: I ALWAYS double check the work those guys do, or better yet sit in the bay and watch them do it. A friend of mine in college got an oil change from the cut rate local shop, and the village idiots they hired were farking around and forgot to put oil back in her car....

Everyone should double check the work especially at places like JiffyScrew.  I took my mom's car in for an oil change and the idiots forced the oil plug back into the oil pan, stripping the threads causing  a rapid oil leak,  causing a total cluster fark and a blown engine.  Took three years of legal wrangling but the b'stards finally paid up.

If I only had looked -  took 30 seconds and looked at the bloody plug, it would have saved an old lady three years of bull shiat.  And what really makes me mad is my brother warned me to check.  Still haven't lived it down  15 years later.


/
 
2013-08-01 07:26:46 AM
A mechanic friend of mine tells me about this one chucklehead they hired at his shop. Guy comes in with a super-nice sports car of some sorts for a tire rotation. Hands the keys to the chucklehead and demands that he not use the air gun to put the lugs on -- he's to hand-tighten the lugs only. Chucklehead finishes and guy drives off. Apparently he was back a day later pissed as hell as two of his wheels came off as he raced down the interstate. Turns out the chucklehead did "hand-tighten" the lugs -- by hand alone. No torque wrench. No tool of any kind. He tightened them just as tight as his finger-strength would allow. Needless to say, it sounds like it was a real mess, although my friend was pleased it happened to this particular sport-car-guy as he was a real douche.
 
2013-08-01 07:28:33 AM
CSB
Brother took his car for whatever caused them to take off the tires. He gets 3 miles from the shop when the wheel pops off in a turn grinding the corner panel into the road. He gets it flatbedded back to the shop and has it dropped in the middle of the lot. The shop guy asks "What happened?" Brother says "You assholes figure it out" and leaves. Later on he gets a call from the manager who says something like "Sir, this isn't our fault. It is YOUR responsibility to check your lugnuts before you start driving." He calmly and rationaly (you could hear him yelling half a mile away) explained that they had JUST fixed it and he had JUST left. The guy still wanted to say it wasn't their responsibility, but the second my brother mentioned a lawyer, they changed their mind and paid for the damages.

cman: CSB:

At LSA Anaconda, someone in my unit forgot to tighten the lug nuts and the wheel fell off over by the PX. Boy was that funny as shiat. I don't remember if the guy was chewed out for that.


We were on convoy (in the states) and the humvee in front of me lost a wheel. Rotor and all. Whole Goddamn thing broke off. The driver got it to the shoulder, but he dug a 1 foot trench through the dirt with the rear.
 
2013-08-01 07:33:53 AM
"You picked fine time to leave me loose wheel..."

cdn.aarp.net
 
2013-08-01 07:37:11 AM

sniderman: Guy comes in with a super-nice sports car of some sorts for a tire rotation. Hands the keys to the chucklehead and demands that he not use the air gun to put the lugs on


To be fair to the owner, very little provides an idiot with the capacity to disprove the term 'foolproof' like a rattle gun.

For an ever increasing number of vehicles rotating tyres is like changing the oil every 5000 miles - something your father told you to do that serves little purpose other than to give Jiffy Lube money. Not long ago I pulled in next to a BMW at Fashion Island* with staggered rims fitted to the wrong axles.

*spiritual home of OC's inexhaustible supply of clueless housewives
 
2013-08-01 07:45:20 AM
And don't forget the blinker fluid.
 
2013-08-01 07:50:34 AM
The tire places always say to return in a day after rotating the tires because the lug nuts could loosen on aluminum rims, or was that alloy rims.
But wouldn't the lug nuts re-loosen again after re-tightening them?
Seems like an endless loop.
 
2013-08-01 07:51:11 AM

dickfreckle: And don't forget the blinker fluid.


If you're lucky enough to drive a British or Italian car, the best time to attend to that is when you're refilling the wiring harness smoke.
 
2013-08-01 07:59:01 AM

Deep Contact: The tire places always say to return in a day after rotating the tires because the lug nuts could loosen on aluminum rims, or was that alloy rims.
But wouldn't the lug nuts re-loosen again after re-tightening them?
Seems like an endless loop.


[serious hat]
Crud in the threads can give a false torque reading. This is often worked out over a few miles after the nuts are tightened, leaving them slightly loose. Re-checking after 50 miles or so is a sensible precaution, given that the correct torque is safety critical.
[/serious hat]
 
2013-08-01 08:04:59 AM
Wal-Mart. Always.
 
2013-08-01 08:07:47 AM
ALWAYS make sure the high speed bumper bolts are set at the factory specified torque.

/always
 
2013-08-01 08:08:08 AM

FarkinNortherner: dickfreckle: And don't forget the blinker fluid.

If you're lucky enough to drive a British or Italian car, the best time to attend to that is when you're refilling the wiring harness smoke.


owned a used 74' Fiat X1/9. wound up with an extensive selection of tools and an intense knowledge of automobile repair. never buy a cute car.
 
2013-08-01 08:15:34 AM
And when you buy a car. Didn't fall off, but that was a fun trip down 26.
 
2013-08-01 08:17:14 AM
 
GBB
2013-08-01 08:23:15 AM

KrispyKritter: FarkinNortherner: dickfreckle: And don't forget the blinker fluid.

If you're lucky enough to drive a British or Italian car, the best time to attend to that is when you're refilling the wiring harness smoke.

owned a used 74' Fiat X1/9. wound up with an extensive selection of tools and an intense knowledge of automobile repair. never buy a cute car.


Small world.  My Dad had a 72' X 1/9 Bertone Targa.  It died a slow, rusty, vapor-locked death.
Interesting enough, it too lost a wheel once.
 
2013-08-01 08:24:22 AM
Four wheels? Pfffft

About a month after I got a new tire put on my motorcycle I noticed the rear axle sticking out an inch and the axle nut gone.
 
2013-08-01 08:24:42 AM

calbert: my uncle took his minivan into a quick-lube place once and then BAM! massive heart-attack 22 years later.


beautiful, just beautiful
 
2013-08-01 08:42:01 AM

KidneyStone


About a month after I got a new tire put on my motorcycle I noticed the rear axle sticking out an inch and the axle nut gone.


There is a reason pre-flight checks (so to speak) are highly recommended.
 
2013-08-01 08:54:39 AM
 
2013-08-01 08:56:10 AM

jaylectricity: CSB: Took my girl's car to get her oil changed because the place was charging less than I could even buy the oil and filter for. He's got the car up on the jack and he says, "One of these lugs is stripped and another post is missing."

I knew about the post but it was impossible that I stripped the lug because I hand tighten them every time. He wanted to replace the posts for $50 I said no way. He tried to say, "Well, the manager is being really cool because he shouldn't let you drive this out of here."

I'm like, "Yeah, I live 5 seconds away and you'll never see me again." Cost me about $4 to replace the posts and lugs myself.


I once had a tire shop tell me one of my wheel studs broke when they were taking the wheel off. I walked to the nearby auto parts store and bought the stud and lug nut, took them back to the tire shop and they replaced it free of charge. MOTS? Do the easy stuff for free to generate customer loyalty, it pays off down the road.
 
2013-08-01 09:01:41 AM
Happened to my wife in 1989.  I called the mechanic, reamed him out, and demanded a refund because he didn't finish the job.
 
2013-08-01 09:07:29 AM
Worked in a service station when I was a teenager. Failed to tighten the lug nuts on one wheel when performing a tire rotation once. Guy made it about a half mile before pulling over to check it out.  He returned and was quite livid. Paid to replace the lug studs and gave him a free tank of gas all out of my paycheck. Kept my job, and kept him as a customer.

Since then I always check out the lug nuts whenever I have tire work done.
 
2013-08-01 09:10:51 AM

KidneyStone: Four wheels? Pfffft

About a month after I got a new tire put on my motorcycle I noticed the rear axle sticking out an inch and the axle nut gone.


This is why I do all my bike maintenance on my own. I've watched mechanics change tires without using a torque wrench to factory spec, Can I tear own the motor and reassemble? Sort of, The tear own part, yes. For the rebuild I sometimes seek pro help. But my tires and breaks? Fark you man, the only one I trust is myself. Because it's my bike an - to get to the point - my ass if there is a failure.

/literally, my ass
 
2013-08-01 09:11:50 AM
Now officially the most typo-laden post on Fark.
 
2013-08-01 09:15:18 AM

calbert: my uncle took his minivan into a quick-lube place once and then BAM! massive heart-attack 22 years later.


Coincidence? Unlikely.
 
2013-08-01 09:16:32 AM

Muta: After the ordeal did he sing, "You picked a fine time to leave me loose wheel."


Nice, subby.
 
2013-08-01 09:20:06 AM
NTB did this same thing to me once - luckily I was only doing about 25 mph and while the wheel didnt fall off it did get to the wobbly-drunk stage.  I got back to the store and the manager swears to me that it's impossible because blah blah blah - going to so far as to claim the lugs were worn and maybe the nuts stripped back (as if they WOULDNT have tried to charge me $500 to replace them if they had actually noticed that).  I wasnt really that mad when I went in there - I would have taken a couple of free oil changes for my trouble since no real damage was done - but after being lied straight to my face by that asshole I made it my personal mission to let everyone I know never to go in there.
 
2013-08-01 09:21:36 AM

dickfreckle: Now officially the most typo-laden post on Fark.


Partial defense - my "D" key is for some reason needing extra pressure. The other typos are from stupidity anD not using preview.
 
2013-08-01 09:22:15 AM

Elegy: I ALWAYS double check the work those guys do, or better yet sit in the bay and watch them do it. A friend of mine in college got an oil change from the cut rate local shop, and the village idiots they hired were farking around and forgot to put oil back in her car....


This... I like to go out to the bay and watch too for a few reasons...  It is a great opportunity to inspect the underside of my vehicle, I can make sure none of my shiat gets stolen, and I can watch as they torque down the lug nuts...  I change my own fluids...
 
2013-08-01 09:23:39 AM

Asa Phelps: Sometimes i think i should specify the torque and tell them that i am going to watch them use the torque wrench.

If you think that's bad, i've heard stories of studs shearing off multiple hubs at freeway speeds due to over-torqued lugs.


I always use a torque wrench to torque lug nuts at work. Rattle wrenches are the most common cause of brake rotor warpage due to uneven lug nut torque.

/25 years, never left one loose
 
2013-08-01 09:25:14 AM
I was in a CrappyLube getting the oil changed and the new guy was checking my battery with some device he had no idea how to use. He kept switching the leads around and asking the other guys how to use it. When he was done he tells me I need a new battery. Yeah right, since it was having no trouble at -25 C..
 
2013-08-01 09:32:30 AM

2xhelix: I bought a truck off of one of my cousins.  Being the nice guy he is, he took it to Jiffy Lube to get all the fluids changed first.  I drove it 300 miles home, before the tranny went.  Idiots forgot to put the plug back on.


urgh... the last time I went to jiffy lube was when it was time for my trucks 100,000 mile fluid flush...  I had them add a bit of lucas transmission fluid to the mix, and they wound up over-filling the transmission fluid.   I had to take it back, show them the mistake, and make them drain some fluid out...  That was about 6 years ago
 
2013-08-01 09:35:40 AM

thatboyoverthere: Pokey.Clyde: jake_lex: CSB: I got my brakes fixed at a place here, and it was the end of the day.  They finished my car, and suddenly the dude who'd been working on my car waves me into the service bay to back my car out.  I know that's pretty irregular, but I figure, well, if it's OK with them...So I get in the car, start to back out, put my foot on the brake to slow down a little to start making the turn...and the brake pedal goes all the way down to the floor.  The idiot forgot to pump the brakes to put pressure in the system.  And I am now rolling down an embankment, headed for the plate glass window of a store facing the brake place.

My only thought, at that point, is to start turning the car.  I throw the steering wheel hard to the right, which turns me away from the store's plate glass window, and eventually I crash into a curb in front of the store.  I'm really just too shocked to be really mad about it, at least then.

Anyway, I didn't pay for the brakes, and I got a rental car (much nicer than the one I actually drove) for a couple of weeks while pretty extensive body work was done on my car, all on the store's dime.  But god damn was that some scary shiat.

You don't know what an emergency/parking brake is?

IIRC it's still needs the brake system to be working. Do newer models allow you to throw the transmission into park to stop the car?


the E-brake usualy goes to a different set of brakes.... Much crappier brakes... but its there...
 
2013-08-01 09:50:05 AM

Pokey.Clyde: You don't know what an emergency/parking brake is?


This.  I had a mechanic put part of the system together backwards and I found myself rolling towards a gas pump with brakes that were doing *VERY* little despite my pushing the pedal all I could.  The emergency brake stopped me.

itsaback: Had this happen twice. First time I was 16 and on my way to school. Was driving about 35 mph at the time, but proceeded to make a right turn at a stoplight nearby. A few seconds later, the previously attached wheel rambled its way into the side of my beloved Plymouth Volare, marring its faux-woodgrain. I never figured out what had happened or how, as the wheel came off, but the lug nuts remained. Just ripped through the rim, while driving in a straight line. Should have asked my Physics teacher.
The second time was about 6 years ago after a rotation, Wheel came off, and just rolled off into the woods. 45 mph that time. I had spare lug nuts and reattached the wheel. Never went back to that place, as it would have led to trouble,.


Not my car but I had a scary incident.  The wheel just came off the truck we were in.  A lion supervised the whole reattachment process.  The only firearm around was a .22 in the hands of a park official.
 
2013-08-01 10:08:08 AM

Maul555: the E-brake usualy goes to a different set of brakes.... Much crappier brakes... but its there...


It's not a different set of brakes, it just allows you to mechanically engage the (normal) brakes for the rear wheels. That doesn't provide much stopping power though, so the crappier part is certainly valid.
 
2013-08-01 10:09:02 AM

FarkinNortherner: sniderman: Guy comes in with a super-nice sports car of some sorts for a tire rotation. Hands the keys to the chucklehead and demands that he not use the air gun to put the lugs on

To be fair to the owner, very little provides an idiot with the capacity to disprove the term 'foolproof' like a rattle gun.

For an ever increasing number of vehicles rotating tyres is like changing the oil every 5000 miles - something your father told you to do that serves little purpose other than to give Jiffy Lube money. Not long ago I pulled in next to a BMW at Fashion Island* with staggered rims fitted to the wrong axles.

*spiritual home of OC's inexhaustible supply of clueless housewives


I will add that some vehicles (such as mine) come from the factory with these lugs that have these stupid caps on them. If they torque them quickly without being careful, they strip those caps and then holy hell do you have a long task on your hands. The solution is to replace them with after market lugs, but make damn sure that a garage that's new to you either knows about the issue or tightens them with a torque wrench if you haven't replaced them yet.
 
2013-08-01 10:17:52 AM

costermonger: Maul555: the E-brake usualy goes to a different set of brakes.... Much crappier brakes... but its there...

It's not a different set of brakes, it just allows you to mechanically engage the (normal) brakes for the rear wheels. That doesn't provide much stopping power though, so the crappier part is certainly valid.


Those "normal" brakes are usually drum brakes, which are much crappier than the stuff up front.  Drums are about to go the way of the dodo bird though, and I am not sure what they will replace them with.  Drums don't require pressurized fluids to work...
 
2013-08-01 10:19:30 AM

Maul555: costermonger: Maul555: the E-brake usualy goes to a different set of brakes.... Much crappier brakes... but its there...

It's not a different set of brakes, it just allows you to mechanically engage the (normal) brakes for the rear wheels. That doesn't provide much stopping power though, so the crappier part is certainly valid.

Those "normal" brakes are usually drum brakes, which are much crappier than the stuff up front.  Drums are about to go the way of the dodo bird though, and I am not sure what they will replace them with.  Drums don't require pressurized fluids to work...


As in...  When you hit the brake pedal, you are engaging your front disk brakes in over 90% of vehicles, and not your rear drums....
 
2013-08-01 10:27:18 AM

Maul555: Those "normal" brakes are usually drum brakes, which are much crappier than the stuff up front.  Drums are about to go the way of the dodo bird though, and I am not sure what they will replace them with.  Drums don't require pressurized fluids to work...As in...  When you hit the brake pedal, you are engaging your front disk brakes in over 90% of vehicles, and not your rear drums....


A front brake bias is pretty much universal in cars, but your brake pedal is definitely causes rear wheel braking as well. There's no particular relationship between e-brakes and drum brakes either, it's just that older (and dirt-cheap new) cars tend to have drums on the rear wheels. If you buy a car with disc brakes on the rear (I'm pushing 30 and I've never owned a vehicle with drum brakes on any wheel), the e-brake still activates them with a cable.
 
2013-08-01 10:57:26 AM

Maul555: the E-brake usualy goes to a different set of brakes.... Much crappier brakes... but its there...


"It's really not an emergency brake; it's an emergency 'make the car smell funny" lever.'"
 
2013-08-01 10:59:34 AM

costermonger: Maul555: the E-brake usualy goes to a different set of brakes.... Much crappier brakes... but its there...

It's not a different set of brakes, it just allows you to mechanically engage the (normal) brakes for the rear wheels. That doesn't provide much stopping power though, so the crappier part is certainly valid.


Depends on the car.  Quite a few cars with rear disc brakes have a separate drum brake to act as the emergency brake.  I've got a 2006 G35 that has two drums in the rear to act as the emergency brake.

They do that because disc brakes are hydraulically activated.  If the manufacturer is going to use the disc brakes, they have to add a mechanical caliper that bypasses the hydraulic system.
 
2013-08-01 11:02:28 AM

evaned: "It's really not an emergency brake; it's an emergency 'make the car smell funny" lever.'"


Ah, found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUhJEvHP9xY
 
2013-08-01 11:14:26 AM
Protip: Don't stop in the middle of the farking road, even if your god damn wheel fell off. If you do, you are too farking stupid to drive.
 
2013-08-01 11:25:57 AM

KidneyStone: Four wheels? Pfffft

About a month after I got a new tire put on my motorcycle I noticed the rear axle sticking out an inch and the axle nut gone.


I had this happen to me, although it was my fault. I had tightened the chain before leaving, but forgot to tighten the nut. When I arrived at destination, the nut was gone, and the axle one inch for getting out.

But my mechanic screwed up also. I had the front wheel bearings replaced. On the highway, I noticed a wobble. Turns out, the right brake caliper on the front wheel was just hanging by the brake fluid hose. I managed to stop on the shoulder, but I still shudder to think what would have happened, had the caliper got caught between the spokes while I was riding at 80MPH.
 
2013-08-01 11:33:23 AM

Lsherm: Depends on the car.  Quite a few cars with rear disc brakes have a separate drum brake to act as the emergency brake.  I've got a 2006 G35 that has two drums in the rear to act as the emergency brake.They do that because disc brakes are hydraulically activated.  If the manufacturer is going to use the disc brakes, they have to add a mechanical caliper that bypasses the hydraulic system.


Fair enough, forgot about those.
 
2013-08-01 11:57:26 AM
Go in for state inspection, leave with horrible noise (forgot to put clamps & nut back on air filter), missing wiper blades (not what I meant when I said I would do them myself...), and a flat tire.  (cut by something in the shop)

/yakitysax.mp3
 
2013-08-01 12:02:54 PM

Asa Phelps: Sometimes i think i should specify the torque and tell them that i am going to watch them use the torque wrench.

If you think that's bad, i've heard stories of studs shearing off multiple hubs at freeway speeds due to over-torqued lugs.


Happened to us! Fiancees mom has a Sams club membership, so we got 2 new tires there one time. Driving along a week or two later, loud bang, car starts handling like shiat. Pull over expecting a blown tire, dont see anything wrong, wtf. Take it to mechanic, tell em something is very wrong with the suspension, they take off the hubcap (which covered the lug nuts) and 3 sheared off wheel studs fell out.

Sams club didnt care.
 
2013-08-01 12:23:04 PM

bunner: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 213x320]

Told ya.



Glad to see this was already covered.
 
2013-08-01 01:21:32 PM
Well, lets see.

I had the end of an axle break off of the left rear of a rear-wheel drive car. I was headed up an off ramp and went to accelerate out of it; the engine revved but nothing happened. Curious, I pulled over to the right into a serendipitous gravel lot. Three wheels came with me, and the fourth, with the brake drum still attached, continued on down the road.

Twice I've had loose lug nuts in on the back end of a Subaru. Two different cars. I don't know if it's the lugs or some fool trying to steel the alloy wheels. Second time it broke a stud off until I could get off the highway and tighten them.

I had it happen once on the front after I replaced a few studs, but I chalk that down to the studs stretching and seating. I noticed it pretty early on that car and was able to tighten it up before any problems happened.

If they're not torqued right, either with a special torque extension on the impact driver or better yet with a real torque wrench, strange things can happen. Old-timers can do it by feel with a favorite wrench, but the rest of us should break out a real torque wrench.

I always loosen then re-torque the bolts when I have tires removed at a shop. I don't trust those monkeys to not over-tighten or under-tighten the bolts. Seriously, don't ape them on with an impact wrench like they do.

For a generic list (check your manual if you can):
     7/16" studs     80 ft-lbs     
    1/2" studs     100 ft-lbs     
    9/16" studs     140 ft-lbs     
    5/8" studs     175 ft-lbs     
    10mm studs     50 ft-lbs     
    12mm studs     100 ft-lbs     
    14mm studs     120 ft-lbs
 
2013-08-01 01:26:02 PM
Make sure the torque wrench is calibrated.
 
2013-08-01 02:28:45 PM

costermonger: Maul555: Those "normal" brakes are usually drum brakes, which are much crappier than the stuff up front.  Drums are about to go the way of the dodo bird though, and I am not sure what they will replace them with.  Drums don't require pressurized fluids to work...As in...  When you hit the brake pedal, you are engaging your front disk brakes in over 90% of vehicles, and not your rear drums....

A front brake bias is pretty much universal in cars, but your brake pedal is definitely causes rear wheel braking as well. There's no particular relationship between e-brakes and drum brakes either, it's just that older (and dirt-cheap new) cars tend to have drums on the rear wheels. If you buy a car with disc brakes on the rear (I'm pushing 30 and I've never owned a vehicle with drum brakes on any wheel), the e-brake still activates them with a cable.


ahh, ok...  Every vehicle I have owned has had rear drum brakes...
 
2013-08-01 02:51:46 PM

Maul555: costermonger: Maul555: Those "normal" brakes are usually drum brakes, which are much crappier than the stuff up front.  Drums are about to go the way of the dodo bird though, and I am not sure what they will replace them with.  Drums don't require pressurized fluids to work...As in...  When you hit the brake pedal, you are engaging your front disk brakes in over 90% of vehicles, and not your rear drums....

A front brake bias is pretty much universal in cars, but your brake pedal is definitely causes rear wheel braking as well. There's no particular relationship between e-brakes and drum brakes either, it's just that older (and dirt-cheap new) cars tend to have drums on the rear wheels. If you buy a car with disc brakes on the rear (I'm pushing 30 and I've never owned a vehicle with drum brakes on any wheel), the e-brake still activates them with a cable.

ahh, ok...  Every vehicle I have owned has had rear drum brakes...


well hang on a second, because I just got to remembering, and I have to call bullshiat on that with my first car, a 1993 Plymouth Voyager SE...   I was broke as hell and couldnt afford new brakes, so I used the brakes untill complete failure....  It was down to the calipers eating into the rotor untill it ate through the outside disk....    So anyways... There I was with absolutely no disk brakes, and I still had to get to work... so I would use the E brake as my one and only brake.  Smashing the brake petal did absolutly nothing to activate the E brake...  Also, at least one of my tires was down to the steel belt...   But I did not crash into anyone  ^^
 
2013-08-01 02:52:59 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Curious, I pulled over to the right into a serendipitous gravel lot. Three wheels came with me, and the fourth, with the brake drum still attached, continued on down the road.


I would have loved to see a video of your reaction to this. Or even just an audio recording. :-)

Also, holy cow you CSB guys. I think I might have to check my lug nuts when I get home. Hmm, and oil.
 
2013-08-01 03:09:07 PM

Maul555: well hang on a second, because I just got to remembering, and I have to call bullshiat on that with my first car, a 1993 Plymouth Voyager SE...   I was broke as hell and couldnt afford new brakes, so I used the brakes untill complete failure....  It was down to the calipers eating into the rotor untill it ate through the outside disk....    So anyways... There I was with absolutely no disk brakes, and I still had to get to work... so I would use the E brake as my one and only brake.  Smashing the brake petal did absolutly nothing to activate the E brake...  Also, at least one of my tires was down to the steel belt...   But I did not crash into anyone  ^^


Could be that it had those auxiliary drum parking brakes. As Lsherm said, those really are a separate system from the regular brakes.
 
2013-08-01 04:22:06 PM
Having worked as a salaried TLE manager for Walmart for several years, I was always shocked to hear about a store that had a a tire fall off. I mean, 3 people had to tighten the lugnuts FFS. How do you screw that up?
 
2013-08-01 05:07:21 PM

costermonger: Maul555: well hang on a second, because I just got to remembering, and I have to call bullshiat on that with my first car, a 1993 Plymouth Voyager SE...   I was broke as hell and couldnt afford new brakes, so I used the brakes untill complete failure....  It was down to the calipers eating into the rotor untill it ate through the outside disk....    So anyways... There I was with absolutely no disk brakes, and I still had to get to work... so I would use the E brake as my one and only brake.  Smashing the brake petal did absolutly nothing to activate the E brake...  Also, at least one of my tires was down to the steel belt...   But I did not crash into anyone  ^^

Could be that it had those auxiliary drum parking brakes. As Lsherm said, those really are a separate system from the regular brakes.


I am just calling out whomever said that when you hit the brake pedal, that both systems brake....
 
2013-08-01 05:08:45 PM
ahh yeah... thats you... you said that...

"...but your brake pedal is definitely causes rear wheel braking as well."
 
2013-08-01 05:16:11 PM

Maul555: ahh yeah... thats you... you said that...

"...but your brake pedal is definitely causes rear wheel braking as well."


"rear wheel braking" != "emergency brakes". You may want to look up the definition of "auxiliary" as well.
 
2013-08-01 06:23:07 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Well, lets see.

I had the end of an axle break off of the left rear of a rear-wheel drive car. I was headed up an off ramp and went to accelerate out of it; the engine revved but nothing happened. Curious, I pulled over to the right into a serendipitous gravel lot. Three wheels came with me, and the fourth, with the brake drum still attached, continued on down the road.

Twice I've had loose lug nuts in on the back end of a Subaru. Two different cars. I don't know if it's the lugs or some fool trying to steel the alloy wheels. Second time it broke a stud off until I could get off the highway and tighten them.

I had it happen once on the front after I replaced a few studs, but I chalk that down to the studs stretching and seating. I noticed it pretty early on that car and was able to tighten it up before any problems happened.

If they're not torqued right, either with a special torque extension on the impact driver or better yet with a real torque wrench, strange things can happen. Old-timers can do it by feel with a favorite wrench, but the rest of us should break out a real torque wrench.

I always loosen then re-torque the bolts when I have tires removed at a shop. I don't trust those monkeys to not over-tighten or under-tighten the bolts. Seriously, don't ape them on with an impact wrench like they do.

For a generic list (check your manual if you can):
     7/16" studs     80 ft-lbs     
    1/2" studs     100 ft-lbs     
    9/16" studs     140 ft-lbs     
    5/8" studs     175 ft-lbs     
    10mm studs     50 ft-lbs     
    12mm studs     100 ft-lbs     
    14mm studs     120 ft-lbs


I still can't ge over Ford Fiestas wanting 55 lbs. That seems grossly inadequate to me. Also doing torque on anything wanting 150+ was always fun since I weigj under 140
 
2013-08-01 06:49:42 PM

umad: Maul555: ahh yeah... thats you... you said that...

"...but your brake pedal is definitely causes rear wheel braking as well."

"rear wheel braking" != "emergency brakes". You may want to look up the definition of "auxiliary" as well.


sorry, I was coming from a place where it was assumed that the emergency brake is the only brakes the car has on its hind end.  It was that way with my old van, and its also that way with my current truck.
 
2013-08-01 09:48:16 PM

Maul555: sorry, I was coming from a place where it was assumed that the emergency brake is the only brakes the car has on its hind end.  It was that way with my old van, and its also that way with my current truck.


I doubt it. The rear is undoubtedly responsible for very little of the actual braking in a van or truck, but I don't think there's any way that a passenger vehicle only has hydraulic brakes on two of four wheels.
 
2013-08-02 06:23:16 PM

costermonger: Maul555: sorry, I was coming from a place where it was assumed that the emergency brake is the only brakes the car has on its hind end.  It was that way with my old van, and its also that way with my current truck.

I doubt it. The rear is undoubtedly responsible for very little of the actual braking in a van or truck, but I don't think there's any way that a passenger vehicle only has hydraulic brakes on two of four wheels.


The master cylinder runs all 4 brakes. The front brakes get more power to them so it's split to give even braking to all 4 wheels. Rear drums, like most cars have had, have a return spring. As brake shoes wear, they get further and further away from the drums. There is an automatic adjuster to bring them back in close to the drum, but it only gets turned by braking while you are moving backwards. If you brake too gently when backing, it doesn't get adjusted properly and the front brakes take up more of the stopping power and wear out faster. So make a habit of braking hard once in a while in reverse.

Imagine this ->  (:)   is your brake shoes, with the hydraulic cylinder at the top, and the adjuster at the bottom. When the brakes wear, the cylinder has to push the top of the shoes farther out to brake.  (:)  When the adjuster turns from reverse braking, it pushes the bottom of the shoes out to take up the slack and help the shoes wear evenly and keeps the front to back braking ratio. (; )
 
2013-08-02 06:27:11 PM

jayphat: The Irresponsible Captain: Well, lets see.

I had the end of an axle break off of the left rear of a rear-wheel drive car. I was headed up an off ramp and went to accelerate out of it; the engine revved but nothing happened. Curious, I pulled over to the right into a serendipitous gravel lot. Three wheels came with me, and the fourth, with the brake drum still attached, continued on down the road.

Twice I've had loose lug nuts in on the back end of a Subaru. Two different cars. I don't know if it's the lugs or some fool trying to steel the alloy wheels. Second time it broke a stud off until I could get off the highway and tighten them.

I had it happen once on the front after I replaced a few studs, but I chalk that down to the studs stretching and seating. I noticed it pretty early on that car and was able to tighten it up before any problems happened.

If they're not torqued right, either with a special torque extension on the impact driver or better yet with a real torque wrench, strange things can happen. Old-timers can do it by feel with a favorite wrench, but the rest of us should break out a real torque wrench.

I always loosen then re-torque the bolts when I have tires removed at a shop. I don't trust those monkeys to not over-tighten or under-tighten the bolts. Seriously, don't ape them on with an impact wrench like they do.

For a generic list (check your manual if you can):
     7/16" studs     80 ft-lbs     
    1/2" studs     100 ft-lbs     
    9/16" studs     140 ft-lbs     
    5/8" studs     175 ft-lbs     
    10mm studs     50 ft-lbs     
    12mm studs     100 ft-lbs     
    14mm studs     120 ft-lbs

I still can't ge over Ford Fiestas wanting 55 lbs. That seems grossly inadequate to me. Also doing torque on anything wanting 150+ was always fun since I weigj under 140


Well, use a torque wrench that's 2 feet long and you only need 75 lbs of force at the end of it.
 
2013-08-02 06:33:38 PM

Maul555: costermonger: Maul555: well hang on a second, because I just got to remembering, and I have to call bullshiat on that with my first car, a 1993 Plymouth Voyager SE...   I was broke as hell and couldnt afford new brakes, so I used the brakes untill complete failure....  It was down to the calipers eating into the rotor untill it ate through the outside disk....    So anyways... There I was with absolutely no disk brakes, and I still had to get to work... so I would use the E brake as my one and only brake.  Smashing the brake petal did absolutly nothing to activate the E brake...  Also, at least one of my tires was down to the steel belt...   But I did not crash into anyone  ^^

Could be that it had those auxiliary drum parking brakes. As Lsherm said, those really are a separate system from the regular brakes.

I am just calling out whomever said that when you hit the brake pedal, that both systems brake....


That person was confused.  An emergency brake system can engage the same brake that your brake pedal engages, but it has to be a separate (and mechanical) system that engages it.  So two systems, your brake pedal or the emergency brake lever, can engage the same brake.

However, with the advent of newer braking systems, and especially anti-lock braking systems, your brake pedal is engaging a set of brakes run via a computer and hydraulics (even drum brakes).  So manufacturers put an old school extra drum on your rear wheels that is engaged via a cable, and that is your emergency brake.  If your brake pedal won't stop the car but your emergency brake will, then you almost certainly have two different systems on the car.

Maul555: sorry, I was coming from a place where it was assumed that the emergency brake is the only brakes the car has on its hind end.  It was that way with my old van, and its also that way with my current truck.


Impossible.  Your brake pedal will always engage brakes on all four wheels unless you're driving something from the 30's.  The NTHSA requires it.  The emergency brake may only be on the hind end, but the brakes you engage with your brake pedal engage on all four wheels.

If all of your standard brakes are shot and you can only stop with the emergency brake, then you probably have separate drums or discs for your emergency brake.   Those can exist only on the back wheels.  So:  emergency brake - can engage only the rear end.  Brake pedal - all four wheels.
 
2013-08-02 06:39:42 PM

MarkEC: Imagine this ->  (:)   is your brake shoes, with the hydraulic cylinder at the top, and the adjuster at the bottom. When the brakes wear, the cylinder has to push the top of the shoes farther out to brake.  (:)  When the adjuster turns from reverse braking, it pushes the bottom of the shoes out to take up the slack and help the shoes wear evenly and keeps the front to back braking ratio. (; )


I was going to ask you how you got your second outside set of parentheses to look wonky, but quoting your post immediately gave me the solution ;)
 
2013-08-02 07:03:24 PM

MarkEC: Well, use a torque wrench that's 2 feet long and you only need 75 lbs of force at the end of it.


Lame story, bro:  I needed a breaker bar to get the front two wheels off this:

img7.imageshack.us

So I went to Sears, because if you're going to get a breaker bar, you may as well get one with a lifetime warranty.  They only had a 1/2 inch with an 18 inch handle, but I really wanted a 24 inch handle.  The woman working the entire tool section may, MAY have turned 20 that year.  I explained that I wanted this exact item but with a longer handle, so could she look up the part and see if they had any in stock.  They didn't.  I sighed and said that's fine, I'll just get a pipe from Home Depot.  She asked me what a pipe was going to do since I was buying a socket wrench.  I wanted to slap her.

At least I have the warranty, because I plan to abuse the hell out of it.
 
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