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(Bleacher Report)   Which QBs had the best 5-year starts in NFL history? List to the left, Tony Romo jokes to the right   (bleacherreport.com) divider line 206
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2013-07-31 04:20:02 PM  
As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb
 
2013-07-31 04:24:08 PM  

js34603: I know right? Those other guys threw the ball to themselves, while blocking for themselves, kicking the extra point and then playing defense. They deserve the money.


Ryan had better receivers, a better line, and a better defense than pretty much all those guys.

You're really going to try to claim that the team he's on is holding him back?
 
2013-07-31 04:25:19 PM  

happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb


As a Cowboys fan, I'm glad Bobby One-and-a-half-knees is the future of your franchise.
 
2013-07-31 04:26:23 PM  
Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.
 
2013-07-31 04:28:08 PM  

Treygreen13: happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb

As a Cowboys fan, I'm glad Bobby One-and-a-half-knees is the future of your franchise.


As a guy who hates Mike Shanahan, I'm happy that the Redskins' coach says he doesn't have email and just learned to text this year. This from a self-described genius who has spent a large part of his life in an era dominated by computers and email.

Maybe Dr. Andrews had told him not to play, but he sent it in an email so Shanahan couldn't figure out how to read it.
 
2013-07-31 04:36:25 PM  
Wow, this new crop of Irving Whizbang lovers sure have thin skin these days
 
2013-07-31 04:36:49 PM  

IAmRight: Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.


Maybe, maybe not. There have been more than a few best teams that really underachieved, and I don't mean ones like the Eagles "dream team."
 
2013-07-31 04:37:07 PM  

IAmRight: Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.


He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.

Oh he's only 1-5 in the playoffs, so those 6 games are all that matters. In that case, you should be pushing for a trade for Buttfumble, he's got a great playoff record.

Although I will say that if I imagine some other QBs on that team, they all have better seasons than Ryan in my imagination. So in our imaginations, other QBs would be a lot better than him on his team therefore he sucks. It does make sense when you look at it like that. You know, stupidly.
 
2013-07-31 04:40:34 PM  
The absence of McNabb in this discussion is making him queasy.
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2013-07-31 04:41:44 PM  

Treygreen13: As a Cowboys fan, I'm glad Bobby One-and-a-half-knees is the future of your franchise.


He only needed one knee for us to win in Week 17, so I'm sure we're super concerned.
 
2013-07-31 04:41:47 PM  

xynix: /Romo sucks


No, he is fair to good, but definetly not great (probably closer the fair end of the spectrum)  The offensive line sucks. Jason Garret sucks, but most of all Jerry Jones sucks.  But it is his team, so what do you expect?
 
2013-07-31 04:41:50 PM  

Di Atribe: xynix: /Romo sucks

No, he doesn't.


He will be too crippled to even suck by the time Ginger Douche is done with him.
 
2013-07-31 04:43:11 PM  

happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb


As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.
 
2013-07-31 04:45:32 PM  
Nah, been with them since '71. Hail to them, good or bad.
 
2013-07-31 04:46:45 PM  

js34603: He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.


When you're put in a situation where your team's success is not dependent upon you being particularly good, you can get many wins in a year.

Again, Tim Tebow has a winning record as a starter in the NFL.
Mark Sanchez made the AFC Championship Game in his first two years.

Only a buffoon would pretend that those two were ever among the top QBs in the league. So why pretend that metric is valid with Ryan?
 
2013-07-31 04:47:15 PM  

INeedAName: As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.


And the ITG Award for disproportionate response in a sports thread goes to...
 
2013-07-31 04:47:34 PM  
I will say that the Cowboys aren't a threat as long as Garrett is the HC. Dude sucks at his job.
 
2013-07-31 04:50:11 PM  

kronicfeld: INeedAName: As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.

And the ITG Award for disproportionate response in a sports thread goes to...




If I have Amazon Prime, will I get free shipping on my trophy? Maybe you don't live in DC, or maybe if you do, you enjoy the sports coverage, but all I have heard over the years is one massive delusion by fans and local sports broadcasters alike. It's really sad.
 
2013-07-31 04:50:34 PM  

js34603: Deal with it, Saints "fan" and Seahawks (bitter much?) fans.


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2013-07-31 04:50:52 PM  

IAmRight: I will say that the Cowboys aren't a threat as long as Garrett is the HC. Dude sucks at his job.


I have no clue how that gm is still employed
 
2013-07-31 04:51:34 PM  

js34603: I know right? Those other guys threw the ball to themselves, while blocking for themselves, kicking the extra point and then playing defense. They deserve the money.

The QBs I hate only wins because of his team. But the QBs I like, they win through sheer hard work, pluck, and grit by themselves. They have the will to win!


Never has a QB done so little with so much.  Look at the team around Ryan and compare it to the teams around the rest of those QBs.  Do you think Rodgers or Brees would be one and done with the Falcons offense and defense?
 
2013-07-31 04:51:52 PM  

INeedAName: kronicfeld: INeedAName: As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.

And the ITG Award for disproportionate response in a sports thread goes to...

If I have Amazon Prime, will I get free shipping on my trophy? Maybe you don't live in DC, or maybe if you do, you enjoy the sports coverage, but all I have heard over the years is one massive delusion by fans and local sports broadcasters alike. It's really sad.


Like living in North Texas regarding the whizbangs
 
2013-07-31 04:53:15 PM  
Hey, Matt Ryan has numbers similar to Marc Bulger after his first five seasons! That's proof that he's a superstar!
 
2013-07-31 04:55:03 PM  

js34603: IAmRight: Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.

He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.

Oh he's only 1-5 in the playoffs, so those 6 games are all that matters. In that case, you should be pushing for a trade for Buttfumble, he's got a great playoff record.


I suspect the Patriots would gladly trade their record breaking 2007 regular season and superbowl performance with the Giants.  The regular season is only meaningful for making the playoffs.
 
2013-07-31 04:56:37 PM  
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He's a real beaut Clark.
 
2013-07-31 04:57:45 PM  

nelsonal: js34603: IAmRight: Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.

He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.

Oh he's only 1-5 in the playoffs, so those 6 games are all that matters. In that case, you should be pushing for a trade for Buttfumble, he's got a great playoff record.

I suspect the Patriots would gladly trade their record breaking 2007 regular season and superbowl performance with the Giants.  The regular season is only meaningful for making the playoffs.


Yes and no. Making the playoffs and winning the SB are probably the most important things in football, but looking at someone's career only through the playoffs is pretty misleading and ignores the largest part of their body of work.
 
2013-07-31 05:01:43 PM  
Romo's fine you drunken bastards.
 
2013-07-31 05:03:16 PM  

redmid17: nelsonal: js34603: IAmRight: Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.

He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.

Oh he's only 1-5 in the playoffs, so those 6 games are all that matters. In that case, you should be pushing for a trade for Buttfumble, he's got a great playoff record.

I suspect the Patriots would gladly trade their record breaking 2007 regular season and superbowl performance with the Giants.  The regular season is only meaningful for making the playoffs.

Yes and no. Making the playoffs and winning the SB are probably the most important things in football, but looking at someone's career only through the playoffs is pretty misleading and ignores the largest part of their body of work.


Sure, but almost everything in football is such a small sample that the only way meaningfully evaluate any individual career is through fairly dull defense adjusted per play types of statistics.
 
2013-07-31 05:03:28 PM  
I will say that Ryan's passer rating rankings are as follows:

11th, 20th, 11th, 8th, 5th.

So he's at least trending in the right direction and one day might actually be great. It's kind of a problem that he will never have things as easy as they have been ever again, though. We'll see how he does when his team doesn't have an advantage at most positions.
 
2013-07-31 05:03:36 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.

When you're put in a situation where your team's success is not dependent upon you being particularly good, you can get many wins in a year.

Again, Tim Tebow has a winning record as a starter in the NFL.
Mark Sanchez made the AFC Championship Game in his first two years.

Only a buffoon would pretend that those two were ever among the top QBs in the league. So why pretend that metric is valid with Ryan?


Let me guess though, Wilson wasn't put in a situation where he didn't have to be particularly good and he is already better than Ryan because reasons. Yeah, I get it, "my QB wins because he is individually great, but the QB that beat my team sucks and only wins because of his team."

Let me know when Tebow gets to 78 games played and we can talk about his record as a starter. It might be hard to understand through that blinding hate on you have for the guy who knocked Seattle out of the playoffs last year, but a sample size of 80 games just might be more significant than Tebow's 9 games.

I'd love to hear some metrics you think are more valid than wins. I'm just going to go out on a limb and say they're any metrics you can find to say your guy is great...almost like metrics are only valid to you if they support your argument while ones that don't are to be ignored. Sure is easy to win arguments that way.

And you're the only buffoon doing any pretending: when you imagine some other QB on Atlanta you pretend they would be a lot better than they are with Ryan, so Ryan sucks. Based on nothing but your imagination.

I'm looking at statistics indicating his teams win 11 games a year. No imagination or pretending needed.
 
2013-07-31 05:05:55 PM  
I immediately question the validity of any list that doesn't rank Hugh Millen as the best QB of all time.

Also...Riley Cooper is quite a f*cking dumbass, eh?
 
2013-07-31 05:06:32 PM  

degenerate-afro: js34603: I know right? Those other guys threw the ball to themselves, while blocking for themselves, kicking the extra point and then playing defense. They deserve the money.

The QBs I hate only wins because of his team. But the QBs I like, they win through sheer hard work, pluck, and grit by themselves. They have the will to win!

Never has a QB done so little with so much.  Look at the team around Ryan and compare it to the teams around the rest of those QBs.  Do you think Rodgers or Brees would be one and done with the Falcons offense and defense?


I don't know and neither do you. The important thing is we can both pretend the answer is whatever supports our argument.

So I guess I imagine Rodgers would go 19-0 every year if he was on the Falcons. There ya go, Ryan sucks, it's so obvious when you study it out.
 
2013-07-31 05:07:09 PM  
For fun I'm gonna list the comparables each year (guy above him and below him on the passer rating charts):

2008: Shaun Hill (one above him), Seneca Wallace (one below him)
2009: Alex Smith (above), Jay Cutler (below)
2010: Peyton Manning, Drew Brees
2011: Eli Manning, Alex Smith
2012: Russell Wilson, Tom Brady

Well, his comparables improved quickly. I mean, he's no Russell Wilson or RGIII yet, but he might be as good as them some day.
 
2013-07-31 05:09:29 PM  

js34603: Let me guess though, Wilson wasn't put in a situation where he didn't have to be particularly good and he is already better than Ryan because reasons.


Wilson has a really good defense and running game. His WRs are okay, but nowhere near the level of the Falcons' WRs. Zach Miller is an above-average TE, but he's not Tony F*cking Gonzalez.

You're the moron thinking wins are the go-to stat for QB performance.
 
2013-07-31 05:11:17 PM  

Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.


Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.
 
2013-07-31 05:14:24 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: I know right? Those other guys threw the ball to themselves, while blocking for themselves, kicking the extra point and then playing defense. They deserve the money.

Ryan had better receivers, a better line, and a better defense than pretty much all those guys.

You're really going to try to claim that the team he's on is holding him back?


Are you really saying Atlanta's offensive line was good? Or, up until last hear our completely shiatty defense?

Look, don't get mad that the seahawks lost or that Percy is gone for the year, just accept its Seattle and shiat will follow the team.
 
2013-07-31 05:15:38 PM  

MagicBus: P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"


No question about that. But I picked Flacco since he and Ryan came into the NFL in the same draft, Ryan at #3 and Flacco at #18.

According to a story I heard, Ravens' owner Steve Bisciotti wanted to trade up and draft Matt Ryan; Ozzie Newsome told him they were going to draft Flacco, and that he believed Flacco was going to be the better player regardless of draft position.


Nobody believes that now so why would they believe that back then?
 
2013-07-31 05:17:51 PM  

IAmRight: I will say that the Cowboys aren't a threat as long as Garrett is the HC. Dude sucks at his job.


Hey, it's gonna be different this year! We have an OC! And.... AND GET THIS! That OC? Totally calling the plays. Problem solved. #6 here we come!


thecpt: I have no clue how that gm is still employed


I've been writing letters for years asking for him to be fired, but I haven't received their response yet. I'm sure it's stuck in the mail. Somewhere. Probably Albuquerque.
 
2013-07-31 05:18:16 PM  

steamingpile: Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him


...wow.
 
2013-07-31 05:19:25 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: Let me guess though, Wilson wasn't put in a situation where he didn't have to be particularly good and he is already better than Ryan because reasons.

Wilson has a really good defense and running game. His WRs are okay, but nowhere near the level of the Falcons' WRs. Zach Miller is an above-average TE, but he's not Tony F*cking Gonzalez.

You're the moron thinking wins are the go-to stat for QB performance.


Yeah, everyone knows it's the "Clutch Index" that matters.
 
2013-07-31 05:19:32 PM  

steamingpile: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.


Yeah, the Ravens defense TOTALLY won them a ton of games last season. I mean, they were top TWENTY!

But really, Flacco hasn't had ONE receiver people would say was one of the best 20 in the league in his career. Ryan had two last year.
 
2013-07-31 05:19:50 PM  
Tony Romo jokes to the right?

He is a Joke.
 
2013-07-31 05:21:20 PM  

INeedAName: happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb

As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.


Kinda reminds me of the Lions and their fans after the 11/12' season. Where'd those guys run off to, anyhow?
 
2013-07-31 05:21:28 PM  

P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"


I don't know, we better check the film on that...
 
2013-07-31 05:21:29 PM  
This is what happens when Matty Hype threads are greenlit, total anarchy.
 
2013-07-31 05:22:54 PM  
Pretty sad that the only way to get a greenlit 

iron_city_ap: INeedAName: happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb

As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.

Kinda reminds me of the Lions and their fans after the 11/12' season. Where'd those guys run off to, anyhow?


They're probably the same place all those Jets fans went.
 
2013-07-31 05:23:27 PM  
Enough about Romo and Ryan.

This is the year for Flynn!
 
2013-07-31 05:23:29 PM  
Bah HTML fail. Screw you, WYSIWYG editor.
 
2013-07-31 05:24:28 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: Let me guess though, Wilson wasn't put in a situation where he didn't have to be particularly good and he is already better than Ryan because reasons.

Wilson has a really good defense and running game. His WRs are okay, but nowhere near the level of the Falcons' WRs. Zach Miller is an above-average TE, but he's not Tony F*cking Gonzalez.

You're the moron thinking wins are the go-to stat for QB performance.


Yes, you beat up that straw man. I totally said wins are the go to stat for QB performance. My position is Matt Ryan doesn't "suck", his teams win 11 games a year. Your position is he sucks because you imagine another QB would do better than that. Because so many teams average more than 11 wins a year I guess.

I'll tell you one thing that is not a go to stat for QB performance: what you imagine some other QB would do in Atlanta. So you go ahead and stick with your imagination as your metric if that makes you feel better. Why not imagine Seattle won that game last year? Hell go ahead and imagine they won the Super Bowl too.
 
2013-07-31 05:25:54 PM  

iron_city_ap: INeedAName: happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb

As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.

Kinda reminds me of the Lions and their fans after the 11/12' season. Where'd those guys run off to, anyhow?


I don't live in DC, just nearby (Richmond, VA) and am an irrational Redskins fan who will be swinging by the training camp on Friday. I think the Redskins are finally on the ascent as long as the RGKnee holds up. However, their schedule this year looks brutal, and I think 8-8 to 9-7 is the very best they can hope for. thankfully, in the NFC East, that's potentially first place, and if they can make the play-offs, then they have a chance of going all the way, as the playoffs are something of a crapshoot.

Not expecting great things this season, but hoping to make the playoffs and hoping they do one better than last year and win a game in the post-season. I have hope, and that feels weird as a fan of the Snyder-era Redskins.
 
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