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(Bleacher Report)   Which QBs had the best 5-year starts in NFL history? List to the left, Tony Romo jokes to the right   (bleacherreport.com) divider line 206
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2013-07-31 01:29:27 PM  
Wasn't expecting Pennington to be anywhere near the top.  Although after last's laffer by the Jests, he looks like the god of football.
 
2013-07-31 02:03:34 PM  
Well that's just silly to start Rodgers career in '05.  In Rodgers "first three years" ('05-'07), Brent* Favre started every game.  Rodgers appeared in a total of 7 games over that three year span, went 35/59 for 329 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT.  Gosh, he sure played a lot.

Put him '08-'12, when he actually played in them foosball games.

/*we'll miss him
 
2013-07-31 02:19:09 PM  
Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.
 
2013-07-31 02:22:09 PM  
I want to ask the author what Matt Ryan's balls taste like.
 
2013-07-31 02:24:12 PM  
Statistics in athletics are the perfect illustration of the old proverb, "Past performance is no guarantee of future results."  In the top five are only two SB winners.  Meanwhile, in the rest of the list are three multiple SB winners (Montana, Brady, Rapeyburger).  I'd also like to see the stats broken down to distinguish between regular season and playoff games.  Matty Ice doesn't do so great in January.

This is a better indicator of QB excellence, IMHO.
 
2013-07-31 02:24:36 PM  
Dear author...

i63.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-31 02:24:49 PM  

gameshowhost: Well that's just silly to start Rodgers career in '05.


The same for Romo. If only he had strolled into camp as an undrafted free agent and stomped on Drew Bledsoe's nuts on the way to the starting job, then maybe he'd do better in this stupid metric.
 
2013-07-31 02:31:27 PM  
You expect me to read farking Bleacher Report?  Should I also go to CNN to study race relations in America?  No thanks.
 
2013-07-31 02:34:19 PM  
Wherein QBs are irrationally ranked based on team accomplishments.
 
2013-07-31 02:35:32 PM  

Aarontology: I want to ask the author what Matt Ryan's balls taste like.


5 years and only 1 playoff win? Probably bitter.
 
2013-07-31 02:39:24 PM  
Part of me is gonna hate the Seahawks defense forever for allowing the Falcons to come back and win that game, allowing them to have a playoff win. No playoff wins is so much funnier than one.

Also, wow, Matt Ryan somehow succeeded with a team with two top-10 caliber WRs, a HoF TE, and mostly a decent running game, all while playing most games in a dome. Real impressive. If the Falcons had an ACTUAL stud at QB he'd post 6000 yards and 70 TD.
 
2013-07-31 02:39:24 PM  
subby's previous career:

people.csail.mit.edu
 
2013-07-31 02:45:41 PM  
How many great QBs were sidelined two of their first 5 years? Silly stat is silly.

/Romo sucks
 
2013-07-31 02:46:58 PM  

IAmRight: Part of me is gonna hate the Seahawks defense forever for allowing the Falcons to come back and win that game, allowing them to have a playoff win. No playoff wins is so much funnier than one.

Also, wow, Matt Ryan somehow succeeded with a team with two top-10 caliber WRs, a HoF TE, and mostly a decent running game, all while playing most games in a dome. Real impressive. If the Falcons had an ACTUAL stud at QB he'd post 6000 yards and 70 TD.


It's almost like football is a.... oh what do you call those thingies again.... is it.... a TEAM sport?

Hm, no, that can't be it. It's probably just two quarterbacks throwing balls at each other.


/balls
 
2013-07-31 02:47:37 PM  

xynix: /Romo sucks


No, he doesn't.
 
2013-07-31 02:49:27 PM  

abhorrent1: Aarontology: I want to ask the author what Matt Ryan's balls taste like.

5 years and only 1 playoff win? Probably bitter.


hahahhahaha
 
2013-07-31 02:53:04 PM  

kronicfeld: Wherein QBs are irrationally ranked based on team accomplishments.


There's really no other way to rank QBs.

Football isn't like baseball where it's largely an individual sport.... though baseball stat nerds sometimes over estimate the individuality of baseball.
 
2013-07-31 02:56:48 PM  
Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win
 
2013-07-31 03:00:24 PM  

MugzyBrown: There's really no other way to rank QBs.


There are plenty of other ways. Otherwise you have to say that Mark "Buttfumble" Sanchez is near the top.

Unfortunately, the one in the article also isn't very good because it references an artificial time-frame that punishes QBs who didn't start right away. Also the whole thing is constructed to praise Matt Ryan.
 
2013-07-31 03:05:31 PM  

MagicBus: would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch


You can't say things like this without opening yourself up to the obvious counterexample, which is that he would've missed the Super Bowl if Rahim Moore didn't utterly blow his coverage in the Broncos game.
 
2013-07-31 03:06:29 PM  

Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.


Here's a summary of TFA, because it's most certainly tl;don't read.

"Matt Ryan did! He's great. Look at these numbers. He's even better if you look at THESE numbers, which put him in the company of the greatest QBs ever. Now, here's a list I made of the greatest QBs ever- hey look at that! All of the assumptions and suppositions I made using numbers that suit my argument make Ryan one of the best ever! Now, let's look at some other numbers, totally different from before. These numbers also confirm he's the best ever. Now, if you take those numbers, divide them by these numbers, and put them in a chart, then he's still the best ever, which means he's the best ever. Also, numbers! I can use excel."
 
2013-07-31 03:07:37 PM  

Di Atribe: Hm, no, that can't be it. It's probably just two quarterbacks throwing balls at each other.


i'd watch dodge ball with pro QB's. you should get a pitch meeting together
 
2013-07-31 03:13:05 PM  

IAmRight: Part of me is gonna hate the Seahawks defense forever for allowing the Falcons to come back and win that game, allowing them to have a playoff win. No playoff wins is so much funnier than one.


Yep.
 
2013-07-31 03:13:27 PM  
Matt Ryan eh? I'll be sure to select him in the later rounds of the NFL Fantasy Bowl because he won't be skipping it.
 
2013-07-31 03:21:47 PM  
Wow- let's take an arbitrary time frame, act under the assumption that QBs are somehow defined by the start of their career, and otherwise make some weak assumptions in order to make Matt Ryan seem better than he is.

You want to hear about a bust? How 'bout a guy who started his career 3-16, with an 11:21 TD/INT and sub-54% completions. That guy sucked. In fact, over his first 5 seasons, he managed to only win 10 games.

I'd sure take Matt Ryan over that guy in a heartbeat, because it's obvious Matt Ryan's a better quarterback. Just look at the numbers.
 
2013-07-31 03:22:28 PM  

Di Atribe: xynix: /Romo sucks

No, he doesn't.


problem?
 
2013-07-31 03:24:18 PM  

robsul82: IAmRight: Part of me is gonna hate the Seahawks defense forever for allowing the Falcons to come back and win that game, allowing them to have a playoff win. No playoff wins is so much funnier than one.

Yep.


Well you have to hate them double for being the under-.500 playoff team that beat your team AND then gave your rival their only playoff win.

But at least you can still appreciate Richard Sherman trolling Roddy White all the time.
 
P0e
2013-07-31 03:37:29 PM  

MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win


Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"
 
2013-07-31 03:37:59 PM  
I follow this guy on twitter. If you guys think he gargles Matt Ryan's balls, you don't know what you're talking about.

@captaincomeback is his handle.
 
2013-07-31 03:38:07 PM  

IAmRight: robsul82: IAmRight: Part of me is gonna hate the Seahawks defense forever for allowing the Falcons to come back and win that game, allowing them to have a playoff win. No playoff wins is so much funnier than one.

Yep.

Well you have to hate them double for being the under-.500 playoff team that beat your team AND then gave your rival their only playoff win.


Oh yes, lol.

But at least you can still appreciate Richard Sherman trolling Roddy White all the time.

That's very true.
 
2013-07-31 03:40:03 PM  

Scaevola: Statistics in athletics are the perfect illustration of the old proverb, "Past performance is no guarantee of future results."  In the top five are only two SB winners.  Meanwhile, in the rest of the list are three multiple SB winners (Montana, Brady, Rapeyburger).  I'd also like to see the stats broken down to distinguish between regular season and playoff games.  Matty Ice doesn't do so great in January.

This is a better indicator of QB excellence, IMHO.


The guy weighs playoff record so heavily, so that opinion piece is pretty much out the window.
 
2013-07-31 03:40:18 PM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-31 03:43:02 PM  

grinding_journalist: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Here's a summary of TFA, because it's most certainly tl;don't read.

"Matt Ryan did! He's great. Look at these numbers. He's even better if you look at THESE numbers, which put him in the company of the greatest QBs ever. Now, here's a list I made of the greatest QBs ever- hey look at that! All of the assumptions and suppositions I made using numbers that suit my argument make Ryan one of the best ever! Now, let's look at some other numbers, totally different from before. These numbers also confirm he's the best ever. Now, if you take those numbers, divide them by these numbers, and put them in a chart, then he's still the best ever, which means he's the best ever. Also, numbers! I can use excel."


I like your journalism way more than the author's. When we get that pitch meeting together for the QB dodgeball league, I'm gonna nominate you as official NFLQBDBL blogger. That's how much I like you.
 
2013-07-31 03:45:08 PM  

P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"


I don't think Tom Brady's QB prowess was ever in question.
 
2013-07-31 03:47:23 PM  
Lot of but but but I don't want to believe statistics because I hate Matt Ryan, so I don't.

Bottom line the guy has won the most regular season games in his first 5 years of anyone, ever. Sure some great QBs didn't play their first five years, sorry can't hold that against Ryan.

He doesn't win in the playoffs, you can chuckle all you want about that, but if he's winning a higher percentage of his regular season games than anyone else, why is his 4 or 5 games in the playoffs (vs. like 100 regular season games) the true indicator he sucks while his performance in the larger sample is ignored? Oh that's right, because some of you desperately want to believe he sucks.

Oh but his team is good, he plays in a dome, blah. No kidding his team is good, so is Brady's team, so is Manning's team. We wouldn't even be discussing it if his team sucked, just like we wouldn't be discussing any QB on a shiatty team (other than Sanchez).

He's not Manning or Brady or Rodgers . He's in the big pile of QBs under them and before you get to the scrubs like Buttfumble and the Mixed Grill in Arizona. Deal with it, Saints "fan" and Seahawks (bitter much?) fans.

/Romo doesn't suck either, no matter how much you desperately want that to be true
 
2013-07-31 03:50:59 PM  

Di Atribe: P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"

I don't think Tom Brady's QB prowess was ever in question.


What's to doubt?

static.foxsports.com
 
2013-07-31 03:51:45 PM  

js34603: Lot of but but but I don't want to believe statistics because I hate Matt Ryan, so I don't.

Bottom line the guy has won the most regular season games in his first 5 years of anyone, ever. Sure some great QBs didn't play their first five years, sorry can't hold that against Ryan.

He doesn't win in the playoffs, you can chuckle all you want about that, but if he's winning a higher percentage of his regular season games than anyone else, why is his 4 or 5 games in the playoffs (vs. like 100 regular season games) the true indicator he sucks while his performance in the larger sample is ignored? Oh that's right, because some of you desperately want to believe he sucks.

Oh but his team is good, he plays in a dome, blah. No kidding his team is good, so is Brady's team, so is Manning's team. We wouldn't even be discussing it if his team sucked, just like we wouldn't be discussing any QB on a shiatty team (other than Sanchez).

He's not Manning or Brady or Rodgers . He's in the big pile of QBs under them and before you get to the scrubs like Buttfumble and the Mixed Grill in Arizona. Deal with it, Saints "fan" and Seahawks (bitter much?) fans.

/Romo doesn't suck either, no matter how much you desperately want that to be true


I'm pretty sure I heard this exact post about ten years ago.
 
2013-07-31 03:52:52 PM  

Prevailing Wind: Di Atribe: P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"

I don't think Tom Brady's QB prowess was ever in question.

What's to doubt?

[static.foxsports.com image 280x300]


Nothing to see here

bostonherald.com
 
2013-07-31 03:53:46 PM  

js34603: Deal with it, Saints "fan"


Meanwhile in RoddyWhiteville

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-31 03:56:58 PM  

Di Atribe: xynix: /Romo sucks

No, he doesn't.


He really doesn't. He (or more precisely his team) just have an awesome tendency to wilt under pressure.

I particularly enjoyed his Thanksgiving and Week 17 performances last season.
 
2013-07-31 03:57:43 PM  
Current members of the 20 million per year club

Drew "Super Bowl MVP" Brees
Joe "Super Bowl MVP" Flacco
Aaron "Super Bowl MVP" Rodgers
Matt "One and Done" Ryan

It's good that Matt Ryan had Julio Jones, Roddy White, and Tony Gonzalez to carry his ass to a payday.
 
2013-07-31 04:00:44 PM  

brap: Wasn't expecting Pennington to be anywhere near the top.  Although after last's laffer by the Jests, he looks like the god of football.


I was surprised as well, but he started only 34 games and Matt Ryan 78.
 
2013-07-31 04:01:25 PM  
go falcons

/not subby
 
2013-07-31 04:03:52 PM  

degenerate-afro: Current members of the 20 million per year club

Drew "Super Bowl MVP" Brees
Joe "Super Bowl MVP" Flacco
Aaron "Super Bowl MVP" Rodgers
Matt "One and Done" Ryan

It's good that Matt Ryan had Julio Jones, Roddy White, and Tony Gonzalez to carry his ass to a payday.


I know right? Those other guys threw the ball to themselves, while blocking for themselves, kicking the extra point and then playing defense. They deserve the money.

The QBs I hate only wins because of his team. But the QBs I like, they win through sheer hard work, pluck, and grit by themselves. They have the will to win!
 
2013-07-31 04:07:33 PM  

Di Atribe: xynix: /Romo sucks

No, he doesn't.


If Romo's receivers didn't drop so many passes, statistically he would be far better than his already awesome numbers.  Romo haters are pathetic.
 
2013-07-31 04:08:00 PM  

Prevailing Wind: Di Atribe: P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"

I don't think Tom Brady's QB prowess was ever in question.

What's to doubt?

[static.foxsports.com image 280x300]


Yeah, what a disgusting uggo

i.imgur.com

/do a GIS for Tom Brady?
//don't mind if I do!
 
2013-07-31 04:08:17 PM  

mikaloyd: js34603: Deal with it, Saints "fan"

Meanwhile in RoddyWhiteville


Brees got quite a tan this summer.
 
2013-07-31 04:09:18 PM  

JohnnyRebel88: Di Atribe: xynix: /Romo sucks

No, he doesn't.

If Romo's receivers didn't drop so many passes, statistically he would be far better than his already awesome numbers.  Romo haters are pathetic.


Hm, I know how to add people to my favorites list, but how do you add heart stickers? I should send Drew some new suggestions.
 
2013-07-31 04:09:19 PM  

P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"



No question about that. But I picked Flacco since he and Ryan came into the NFL in the same draft, Ryan at #3 and Flacco at #18.

According to a story I heard, Ravens' owner Steve Bisciotti wanted to trade up and draft Matt Ryan; Ozzie Newsome told him they were going to draft Flacco, and that he believed Flacco was going to be the better player regardless of draft position.
 
2013-07-31 04:09:24 PM  

JohnnyRebel88: If Romo's receivers didn't drop so many passes, statistically he would be far better than his already awesome numbers. Romo haters are pathetic.


TIL that only Cowboys receivers drop passes.
 
2013-07-31 04:20:02 PM  
As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb
 
2013-07-31 04:24:08 PM  

js34603: I know right? Those other guys threw the ball to themselves, while blocking for themselves, kicking the extra point and then playing defense. They deserve the money.


Ryan had better receivers, a better line, and a better defense than pretty much all those guys.

You're really going to try to claim that the team he's on is holding him back?
 
2013-07-31 04:25:19 PM  

happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb


As a Cowboys fan, I'm glad Bobby One-and-a-half-knees is the future of your franchise.
 
2013-07-31 04:26:23 PM  
Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.
 
2013-07-31 04:28:08 PM  

Treygreen13: happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb

As a Cowboys fan, I'm glad Bobby One-and-a-half-knees is the future of your franchise.


As a guy who hates Mike Shanahan, I'm happy that the Redskins' coach says he doesn't have email and just learned to text this year. This from a self-described genius who has spent a large part of his life in an era dominated by computers and email.

Maybe Dr. Andrews had told him not to play, but he sent it in an email so Shanahan couldn't figure out how to read it.
 
2013-07-31 04:36:25 PM  
Wow, this new crop of Irving Whizbang lovers sure have thin skin these days
 
2013-07-31 04:36:49 PM  

IAmRight: Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.


Maybe, maybe not. There have been more than a few best teams that really underachieved, and I don't mean ones like the Eagles "dream team."
 
2013-07-31 04:37:07 PM  

IAmRight: Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.


He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.

Oh he's only 1-5 in the playoffs, so those 6 games are all that matters. In that case, you should be pushing for a trade for Buttfumble, he's got a great playoff record.

Although I will say that if I imagine some other QBs on that team, they all have better seasons than Ryan in my imagination. So in our imaginations, other QBs would be a lot better than him on his team therefore he sucks. It does make sense when you look at it like that. You know, stupidly.
 
2013-07-31 04:40:34 PM  
The absence of McNabb in this discussion is making him queasy.
cheesesteakswithbarkley.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-31 04:41:44 PM  

Treygreen13: As a Cowboys fan, I'm glad Bobby One-and-a-half-knees is the future of your franchise.


He only needed one knee for us to win in Week 17, so I'm sure we're super concerned.
 
2013-07-31 04:41:47 PM  

xynix: /Romo sucks


No, he is fair to good, but definetly not great (probably closer the fair end of the spectrum)  The offensive line sucks. Jason Garret sucks, but most of all Jerry Jones sucks.  But it is his team, so what do you expect?
 
2013-07-31 04:41:50 PM  

Di Atribe: xynix: /Romo sucks

No, he doesn't.


He will be too crippled to even suck by the time Ginger Douche is done with him.
 
2013-07-31 04:43:11 PM  

happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb


As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.
 
2013-07-31 04:45:32 PM  
Nah, been with them since '71. Hail to them, good or bad.
 
2013-07-31 04:46:45 PM  

js34603: He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.


When you're put in a situation where your team's success is not dependent upon you being particularly good, you can get many wins in a year.

Again, Tim Tebow has a winning record as a starter in the NFL.
Mark Sanchez made the AFC Championship Game in his first two years.

Only a buffoon would pretend that those two were ever among the top QBs in the league. So why pretend that metric is valid with Ryan?
 
2013-07-31 04:47:15 PM  

INeedAName: As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.


And the ITG Award for disproportionate response in a sports thread goes to...
 
2013-07-31 04:47:34 PM  
I will say that the Cowboys aren't a threat as long as Garrett is the HC. Dude sucks at his job.
 
2013-07-31 04:50:11 PM  

kronicfeld: INeedAName: As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.

And the ITG Award for disproportionate response in a sports thread goes to...




If I have Amazon Prime, will I get free shipping on my trophy? Maybe you don't live in DC, or maybe if you do, you enjoy the sports coverage, but all I have heard over the years is one massive delusion by fans and local sports broadcasters alike. It's really sad.
 
2013-07-31 04:50:34 PM  

js34603: Deal with it, Saints "fan" and Seahawks (bitter much?) fans.


i63.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-31 04:50:52 PM  

IAmRight: I will say that the Cowboys aren't a threat as long as Garrett is the HC. Dude sucks at his job.


I have no clue how that gm is still employed
 
2013-07-31 04:51:34 PM  

js34603: I know right? Those other guys threw the ball to themselves, while blocking for themselves, kicking the extra point and then playing defense. They deserve the money.

The QBs I hate only wins because of his team. But the QBs I like, they win through sheer hard work, pluck, and grit by themselves. They have the will to win!


Never has a QB done so little with so much.  Look at the team around Ryan and compare it to the teams around the rest of those QBs.  Do you think Rodgers or Brees would be one and done with the Falcons offense and defense?
 
2013-07-31 04:51:52 PM  

INeedAName: kronicfeld: INeedAName: As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.

And the ITG Award for disproportionate response in a sports thread goes to...

If I have Amazon Prime, will I get free shipping on my trophy? Maybe you don't live in DC, or maybe if you do, you enjoy the sports coverage, but all I have heard over the years is one massive delusion by fans and local sports broadcasters alike. It's really sad.


Like living in North Texas regarding the whizbangs
 
2013-07-31 04:53:15 PM  
Hey, Matt Ryan has numbers similar to Marc Bulger after his first five seasons! That's proof that he's a superstar!
 
2013-07-31 04:55:03 PM  

js34603: IAmRight: Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.

He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.

Oh he's only 1-5 in the playoffs, so those 6 games are all that matters. In that case, you should be pushing for a trade for Buttfumble, he's got a great playoff record.


I suspect the Patriots would gladly trade their record breaking 2007 regular season and superbowl performance with the Giants.  The regular season is only meaningful for making the playoffs.
 
2013-07-31 04:56:37 PM  
www.thekickisgood.comwww.yardbarker.com

He's a real beaut Clark.
 
2013-07-31 04:57:45 PM  

nelsonal: js34603: IAmRight: Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.

He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.

Oh he's only 1-5 in the playoffs, so those 6 games are all that matters. In that case, you should be pushing for a trade for Buttfumble, he's got a great playoff record.

I suspect the Patriots would gladly trade their record breaking 2007 regular season and superbowl performance with the Giants.  The regular season is only meaningful for making the playoffs.


Yes and no. Making the playoffs and winning the SB are probably the most important things in football, but looking at someone's career only through the playoffs is pretty misleading and ignores the largest part of their body of work.
 
2013-07-31 05:01:43 PM  
Romo's fine you drunken bastards.
 
2013-07-31 05:03:16 PM  

redmid17: nelsonal: js34603: IAmRight: Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.

He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.

Oh he's only 1-5 in the playoffs, so those 6 games are all that matters. In that case, you should be pushing for a trade for Buttfumble, he's got a great playoff record.

I suspect the Patriots would gladly trade their record breaking 2007 regular season and superbowl performance with the Giants.  The regular season is only meaningful for making the playoffs.

Yes and no. Making the playoffs and winning the SB are probably the most important things in football, but looking at someone's career only through the playoffs is pretty misleading and ignores the largest part of their body of work.


Sure, but almost everything in football is such a small sample that the only way meaningfully evaluate any individual career is through fairly dull defense adjusted per play types of statistics.
 
2013-07-31 05:03:28 PM  
I will say that Ryan's passer rating rankings are as follows:

11th, 20th, 11th, 8th, 5th.

So he's at least trending in the right direction and one day might actually be great. It's kind of a problem that he will never have things as easy as they have been ever again, though. We'll see how he does when his team doesn't have an advantage at most positions.
 
2013-07-31 05:03:36 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.

When you're put in a situation where your team's success is not dependent upon you being particularly good, you can get many wins in a year.

Again, Tim Tebow has a winning record as a starter in the NFL.
Mark Sanchez made the AFC Championship Game in his first two years.

Only a buffoon would pretend that those two were ever among the top QBs in the league. So why pretend that metric is valid with Ryan?


Let me guess though, Wilson wasn't put in a situation where he didn't have to be particularly good and he is already better than Ryan because reasons. Yeah, I get it, "my QB wins because he is individually great, but the QB that beat my team sucks and only wins because of his team."

Let me know when Tebow gets to 78 games played and we can talk about his record as a starter. It might be hard to understand through that blinding hate on you have for the guy who knocked Seattle out of the playoffs last year, but a sample size of 80 games just might be more significant than Tebow's 9 games.

I'd love to hear some metrics you think are more valid than wins. I'm just going to go out on a limb and say they're any metrics you can find to say your guy is great...almost like metrics are only valid to you if they support your argument while ones that don't are to be ignored. Sure is easy to win arguments that way.

And you're the only buffoon doing any pretending: when you imagine some other QB on Atlanta you pretend they would be a lot better than they are with Ryan, so Ryan sucks. Based on nothing but your imagination.

I'm looking at statistics indicating his teams win 11 games a year. No imagination or pretending needed.
 
2013-07-31 05:05:55 PM  
I immediately question the validity of any list that doesn't rank Hugh Millen as the best QB of all time.

Also...Riley Cooper is quite a f*cking dumbass, eh?
 
2013-07-31 05:06:32 PM  

degenerate-afro: js34603: I know right? Those other guys threw the ball to themselves, while blocking for themselves, kicking the extra point and then playing defense. They deserve the money.

The QBs I hate only wins because of his team. But the QBs I like, they win through sheer hard work, pluck, and grit by themselves. They have the will to win!

Never has a QB done so little with so much.  Look at the team around Ryan and compare it to the teams around the rest of those QBs.  Do you think Rodgers or Brees would be one and done with the Falcons offense and defense?


I don't know and neither do you. The important thing is we can both pretend the answer is whatever supports our argument.

So I guess I imagine Rodgers would go 19-0 every year if he was on the Falcons. There ya go, Ryan sucks, it's so obvious when you study it out.
 
2013-07-31 05:07:09 PM  
For fun I'm gonna list the comparables each year (guy above him and below him on the passer rating charts):

2008: Shaun Hill (one above him), Seneca Wallace (one below him)
2009: Alex Smith (above), Jay Cutler (below)
2010: Peyton Manning, Drew Brees
2011: Eli Manning, Alex Smith
2012: Russell Wilson, Tom Brady

Well, his comparables improved quickly. I mean, he's no Russell Wilson or RGIII yet, but he might be as good as them some day.
 
2013-07-31 05:09:29 PM  

js34603: Let me guess though, Wilson wasn't put in a situation where he didn't have to be particularly good and he is already better than Ryan because reasons.


Wilson has a really good defense and running game. His WRs are okay, but nowhere near the level of the Falcons' WRs. Zach Miller is an above-average TE, but he's not Tony F*cking Gonzalez.

You're the moron thinking wins are the go-to stat for QB performance.
 
2013-07-31 05:11:17 PM  

Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.


Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.
 
2013-07-31 05:14:24 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: I know right? Those other guys threw the ball to themselves, while blocking for themselves, kicking the extra point and then playing defense. They deserve the money.

Ryan had better receivers, a better line, and a better defense than pretty much all those guys.

You're really going to try to claim that the team he's on is holding him back?


Are you really saying Atlanta's offensive line was good? Or, up until last hear our completely shiatty defense?

Look, don't get mad that the seahawks lost or that Percy is gone for the year, just accept its Seattle and shiat will follow the team.
 
2013-07-31 05:15:38 PM  

MagicBus: P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"


No question about that. But I picked Flacco since he and Ryan came into the NFL in the same draft, Ryan at #3 and Flacco at #18.

According to a story I heard, Ravens' owner Steve Bisciotti wanted to trade up and draft Matt Ryan; Ozzie Newsome told him they were going to draft Flacco, and that he believed Flacco was going to be the better player regardless of draft position.


Nobody believes that now so why would they believe that back then?
 
2013-07-31 05:17:51 PM  

IAmRight: I will say that the Cowboys aren't a threat as long as Garrett is the HC. Dude sucks at his job.


Hey, it's gonna be different this year! We have an OC! And.... AND GET THIS! That OC? Totally calling the plays. Problem solved. #6 here we come!


thecpt: I have no clue how that gm is still employed


I've been writing letters for years asking for him to be fired, but I haven't received their response yet. I'm sure it's stuck in the mail. Somewhere. Probably Albuquerque.
 
2013-07-31 05:18:16 PM  

steamingpile: Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him


...wow.
 
2013-07-31 05:19:25 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: Let me guess though, Wilson wasn't put in a situation where he didn't have to be particularly good and he is already better than Ryan because reasons.

Wilson has a really good defense and running game. His WRs are okay, but nowhere near the level of the Falcons' WRs. Zach Miller is an above-average TE, but he's not Tony F*cking Gonzalez.

You're the moron thinking wins are the go-to stat for QB performance.


Yeah, everyone knows it's the "Clutch Index" that matters.
 
2013-07-31 05:19:32 PM  

steamingpile: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.


Yeah, the Ravens defense TOTALLY won them a ton of games last season. I mean, they were top TWENTY!

But really, Flacco hasn't had ONE receiver people would say was one of the best 20 in the league in his career. Ryan had two last year.
 
2013-07-31 05:19:50 PM  
Tony Romo jokes to the right?

He is a Joke.
 
2013-07-31 05:21:20 PM  

INeedAName: happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb

As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.


Kinda reminds me of the Lions and their fans after the 11/12' season. Where'd those guys run off to, anyhow?
 
2013-07-31 05:21:28 PM  

P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"


I don't know, we better check the film on that...
 
2013-07-31 05:21:29 PM  
This is what happens when Matty Hype threads are greenlit, total anarchy.
 
2013-07-31 05:22:54 PM  
Pretty sad that the only way to get a greenlit 

iron_city_ap: INeedAName: happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb

As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.

Kinda reminds me of the Lions and their fans after the 11/12' season. Where'd those guys run off to, anyhow?


They're probably the same place all those Jets fans went.
 
2013-07-31 05:23:27 PM  
Enough about Romo and Ryan.

This is the year for Flynn!
 
2013-07-31 05:23:29 PM  
Bah HTML fail. Screw you, WYSIWYG editor.
 
2013-07-31 05:24:28 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: Let me guess though, Wilson wasn't put in a situation where he didn't have to be particularly good and he is already better than Ryan because reasons.

Wilson has a really good defense and running game. His WRs are okay, but nowhere near the level of the Falcons' WRs. Zach Miller is an above-average TE, but he's not Tony F*cking Gonzalez.

You're the moron thinking wins are the go-to stat for QB performance.


Yes, you beat up that straw man. I totally said wins are the go to stat for QB performance. My position is Matt Ryan doesn't "suck", his teams win 11 games a year. Your position is he sucks because you imagine another QB would do better than that. Because so many teams average more than 11 wins a year I guess.

I'll tell you one thing that is not a go to stat for QB performance: what you imagine some other QB would do in Atlanta. So you go ahead and stick with your imagination as your metric if that makes you feel better. Why not imagine Seattle won that game last year? Hell go ahead and imagine they won the Super Bowl too.
 
2013-07-31 05:25:54 PM  

iron_city_ap: INeedAName: happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb

As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.

Kinda reminds me of the Lions and their fans after the 11/12' season. Where'd those guys run off to, anyhow?


I don't live in DC, just nearby (Richmond, VA) and am an irrational Redskins fan who will be swinging by the training camp on Friday. I think the Redskins are finally on the ascent as long as the RGKnee holds up. However, their schedule this year looks brutal, and I think 8-8 to 9-7 is the very best they can hope for. thankfully, in the NFC East, that's potentially first place, and if they can make the play-offs, then they have a chance of going all the way, as the playoffs are something of a crapshoot.

Not expecting great things this season, but hoping to make the playoffs and hoping they do one better than last year and win a game in the post-season. I have hope, and that feels weird as a fan of the Snyder-era Redskins.
 
2013-07-31 05:30:31 PM  

js34603: My position is Matt Ryan doesn't "suck", his teams win 11 games a year. Your position is he sucks because you imagine another QB would do better than that. Because so many teams average more than 11 wins a year I guess.


Did anyone say he sucks? Of the 34 mentions of the word in this thread, all of the mentions tied to Ryan are from you. We're simply arguing that he's not anywhere near the class of the people he's being paid like.

He's an above-average quarterback in an ideal situation.
 
2013-07-31 05:31:52 PM  

netweavr: IAmRight: js34603: Let me guess though, Wilson wasn't put in a situation where he didn't have to be particularly good and he is already better than Ryan because reasons.

Wilson has a really good defense and running game. His WRs are okay, but nowhere near the level of the Falcons' WRs. Zach Miller is an above-average TE, but he's not Tony F*cking Gonzalez.

You're the moron thinking wins are the go-to stat for QB performance.

Yeah, everyone knows it's the "Clutch Index" that matters.


The only valid metric is number of Russel Wilsons in your name. If
 
2013-07-31 05:32:06 PM  
That is to say, he's not the best QB after five years. He's not the best QB in the NFC South. He's not the best ANYTHING except Falcons QB. That doesn't mean he sucks. It just means he isn't what the author is claiming.

/he is better than I thought he'd be coming out of college, where he did virtually nothing in a sh*t conference
 
2013-07-31 05:33:14 PM  

js34603: The only valid metric is number of Russel Wilsons in your name. If


Russell Wilson averages 11 wins per season and has as many playoff wins as Matt Ryan in his career. He also has a better career passer rating.
 
2013-07-31 05:34:33 PM  

steamingpile: I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.


You want Joe to fhrow a season to get Clowney?
Sorry, but only the Colts would throw a season like that.  Joe will be fine this year.
 
2013-07-31 05:37:21 PM  

Treygreen13: Pretty sad that the only way to get a greenlit  iron_city_ap: INeedAName: happydude45: As a redskins fan, I'm glad romo is the dallas qb

As a Skins fan, you probably want to keep your head down and your mouth shut lest your team spend this year behaving like the Skins of oh, let's say anytime between now and '93. In 20 years you've three playoff victories.

I live in DC and if they make one good play a game, the locals are ready to crown them champs. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time and now they come on the internet and talk trash like they deserve to even be allowed in the conversation.

Kinda reminds me of the Lions and their fans after the 11/12' season. Where'd those guys run off to, anyhow?

They're probably the same place all those Jets fans went.


At least the Jets were competitive for a couple seasons. The Skins, like the Lions, make it to the playoffs, and suddenly, it's 'we're winning the SB next year, easily!'. If I was a Skins fan, I'd be worried as hell about Bobby tripod (credit to DiAtribe) turning in Bobby pogo stick within his first 5 years.

Getting back on topic, Ryan is a solid QB who has great receivers and started out behind a damn good running game (taking a lot of weight off his shoulders at first while he adjusted to the NFL). But, history tends to rank QBs by Ws and Ls (especially once/if they are perennial playoff teams). There are a few (Marino) that can escape not winning in the playoffs, but that list is short as hell. Then there are the guys like Jim Kelly, who have plenty of wins but no rings, so he gets left off.

Bottom line is, ranking QBs is a tricky/fickle feat. Most of the greats have ties, in one form or another, of Pittsburgh (raised, college, or Pros) !!!
 
2013-07-31 05:39:23 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: The only valid metric is number of Russel Wilsons in your name. If

Russell Wilson averages 11 wins per season and has as many playoff wins as Matt Ryan in his career. He also has a better career passer rating.


So go ahead. Say Wilson is better than Matt Ryan, that's been your freaking goal the whole thread. Because one year sample = five year sample when it is convenient I guess.

I don't know though, if I imagine another QB on Seattle, I'm pretty sure the team would do a lot better. If the love child of Joe Montana and Dan Marino was their QB, Seattle would win 20 games a year so therefore Wilson is just an above average QB in an ideal situation.
 
2013-07-31 05:40:56 PM  

nelsonal: redmid17: nelsonal: js34603: IAmRight: Read that kinda wrong. Point still stands that Ryan has done less with more than pretty much everyone in the league. Put one of the actual best QBs in the league on that team and they annihilate all the records.

He's won 56 of the 78 regular season games during his 5 years in the league. How is that doing less with more? He averages 11 wins a farking year. That's amazing in the NFL.

Oh he's only 1-5 in the playoffs, so those 6 games are all that matters. In that case, you should be pushing for a trade for Buttfumble, he's got a great playoff record.

I suspect the Patriots would gladly trade their record breaking 2007 regular season and superbowl performance with the Giants.  The regular season is only meaningful for making the playoffs.

Yes and no. Making the playoffs and winning the SB are probably the most important things in football, but looking at someone's career only through the playoffs is pretty misleading and ignores the largest part of their body of work.

Sure, but almost everything in football is such a small sample that the only way meaningfully evaluate any individual career is through fairly dull defense adjusted per play types of statistics.


Not really. Regular season sample is probably 10-15x larger than playoff sample. Even the QBs who've been the most successful making the playoffs in the last 10-15 years (Brady, Manning) only have 20-25 games or so under their belts. Manning has 220 regular season games and Brady has 177. Those have have career splits against teams that are larger than most playoff records.
 
2013-07-31 05:41:45 PM  
Seattle will be interesting to watch this year. I suspect they're going to severely under-perform, but we'll see.
 
2013-07-31 05:41:53 PM  

js34603: So go ahead. Say Wilson is better than Matt Ryan, that's been your freaking goal the whole thread.


No, my goal has been to point out that Ryan is in possibly the cushiest situation in the league for a QB to put up numbers, and that he's a lot more of a beneficiary of his team than his team is a beneficiary of him.

But yeah, Sidney Rice and Golden Tate, you'd totally want those guys as your WRs over Roddy White and Julio Jones.
 
2013-07-31 05:42:38 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: So go ahead. Say Wilson is better than Matt Ryan, that's been your freaking goal the whole thread.

No, my goal has been to point out that Ryan is in possibly the cushiest situation in the league for a QB to put up numbers, and that he's a lot more of a beneficiary of his team than his team is a beneficiary of him.

But yeah, Sidney Rice and Golden Tate, you'd totally want those guys as your WRs over Roddy White and Julio Jones.


That's Denver and New England. Hell they made Orton, Tebow and Cassell look good.
 
2013-07-31 05:43:17 PM  

js34603: If the love child of Joe Montana and Dan Marino was their QB,


There are no butt-babies in the NFL. Except Sanchez.
 
2013-07-31 05:43:24 PM  

netweavr: Seattle will be interesting to watch this year. I suspect they're going to severely under-perform, but we'll see.


Yeah, you and other dumb people feel that way. =D

/upset we couldn't keep Flynn
//glad he gets a chance to actually play
///no shame in riding the bench behind the league MVP and a Rookie of the Year (depending on who awarded it)
 
2013-07-31 05:44:56 PM  

IAmRight: netweavr: Seattle will be interesting to watch this year. I suspect they're going to severely under-perform, but we'll see.

Yeah, you and other dumb people feel that way. =D

/upset we couldn't keep Flynn
//glad he gets a chance to actually play
///no shame in riding the bench behind the league MVP and a Rookie of the Year (depending on who awarded it)


Harvin and Rice being out definitely isn't going to help.
 
2013-07-31 05:45:29 PM  

IAmRight: That is to say, he's not the best QB after five years. He's not the best QB in the NFC South. He's not the best ANYTHING except Falcons QB. That doesn't mean he sucks. It just means he isn't what the author is claiming.

/he is better than I thought he'd be coming out of college, where he did virtually nothing in a sh*t conference


Dude, like you said, he has decent, but not great numbers, and a pretty good supporting team. The media LOVES to hype players from emerging teams or teams finally breaking the playoff barrier. Why is it him instead of Jones, that they are hyping? You got me. Jones, IMO has been a MASSIVE difference maker for them. I still see them finishing 2nd behind the Saints with T.B. licking at their heels (and depending on random upsets, possibly passing them).
 
2013-07-31 05:49:50 PM  

redmid17: Harvin and Rice being out definitely isn't going to help.


Rice isn't out; Harvin was never really on the team so it's not like it's an issue. All the same, if Harvin is going to play half-seasons, I'd rather he be a bye-week addition and come on for the playoff push and playoffs than have him for the first half of the year.

Wilson's improvement should be enough - we didn't lose anyone of importance (well, Clemons still isn't back from his injury - thanks FedEx Field and your general sh*ttiness!), so we're the same team that was handing out smackdowns toward the end of the year.

League f*cked us with as many early starts as possible though while San Fran only has one.
 
2013-07-31 05:50:36 PM  

IAmRight: netweavr: Seattle will be interesting to watch this year. I suspect they're going to severely under-perform, but we'll see.

Yeah, you and other dumb people feel that way. =D

/upset we couldn't keep Flynn
//glad he gets a chance to actually play
///no shame in riding the bench behind the league MVP and a Rookie of the Year (depending on who awarded it)


I have moderate hope that Flynn won't get obliterated by Denver's defense during the 4th game of the year. If he survives, I'm willing to call the season a success at this point.

As for Seattle, I dunno man, it just feels like they're trying too hard. Like they're going to burnout before the season really gets going.
 
2013-07-31 05:51:33 PM  
3rd game. Apparently I wasn't remembering the schedule correctly.
 
2013-07-31 05:51:51 PM  
filler.

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2013-07-31 05:52:54 PM  
Are we really arguing here that Matt Ryan sucks?  Really?  The 56-22 Matt Ryan who has put up 24 or more points in all but one playoff game?
 
2013-07-31 05:53:06 PM  

IAmRight: redmid17: Harvin and Rice being out definitely isn't going to help.

Rice isn't out; Harvin was never really on the team so it's not like it's an issue. All the same, if Harvin is going to play half-seasons, I'd rather he be a bye-week addition and come on for the playoff push and playoffs than have him for the first half of the year.

Wilson's improvement should be enough - we didn't lose anyone of importance (well, Clemons still isn't back from his injury - thanks FedEx Field and your general sh*ttiness!), so we're the same team that was handing out smackdowns toward the end of the year.

League f*cked us with as many early starts as possible though while San Fran only has one.


SF got f*cked hard a couple years ago with a Sunday night -> Thursday game. The schedule giveth and the schedule taketh away.
 
2013-07-31 05:54:01 PM  

Deneb81: steamingpile: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.

Yeah, the Ravens defense TOTALLY won them a ton of games last season. I mean, they were top TWENTY!

But really, Flacco hasn't had ONE receiver people would say was one of the best 20 in the league in his career. Ryan had two last year.


Yes and you're blaming that on whom exactly? It couldn't possibly be because he had to throw that much since they had no running game while Flacco had almost a top 10 rushing offense with Ryan having one of the worst.
 
2013-07-31 05:54:20 PM  

Daniels: Are we really arguing here that Matt Ryan sucks?  Really?  The 56-22 Matt Ryan who has put up 24 or more points in all but one playoff game?


Nobody's seriously arguing Ryan sucks. They're arguing the article is crap.
 
2013-07-31 05:56:07 PM  

netweavr: IAmRight: js34603: So go ahead. Say Wilson is better than Matt Ryan, that's been your freaking goal the whole thread.

No, my goal has been to point out that Ryan is in possibly the cushiest situation in the league for a QB to put up numbers, and that he's a lot more of a beneficiary of his team than his team is a beneficiary of him.

But yeah, Sidney Rice and Golden Tate, you'd totally want those guys as your WRs over Roddy White and Julio Jones.

That's Denver and New England. Hell they made Orton, Tebow and Cassell look good.


Demaryius Thomas is a beast and Decker / Welker are very solid, but I'd still take throwing to White and Jones in a Dome for eight games a year.

Amendola, Jenkins, and Edelman don't even rank.  Gronk by himself (when he's healthy) doesn't exactly offset matters.

Orton didn't look "good" in Denver, he looked "okay".
Tebow looked awful.  He constantly got bailed out by the defense. Orton was a better QB, but not good enough to derail the Tebow hype train.
Cassell, well his 2010 season was serviceable.  He's also better than Tyler Palko.
 
2013-07-31 05:56:09 PM  

IAmRight: Rice isn't out; Harvin was never really on the team so it's not like it's an issue. All the same, if Harvin is going to play half-seasons, I'd rather he be a bye-week addition and come on for the playoff push and playoffs than have him for the first half of the year.


Harvin's first game back is SO gonna be against the Saints, I just know it.
 
2013-07-31 05:56:56 PM  

kronicfeld: JohnnyRebel88: If Romo's receivers didn't drop so many passes, statistically he would be far better than his already awesome numbers. Romo haters are pathetic.

TIL that only Cowboys receivers drop passes.



This is the reason I select him for my QB in FF, besides the fact that I love dem Boys.  If there was something to criticize, I would do so.  He has great elusive speed, almost as good as Steve Youngs, and before Dez came to town, he only had Witten to rely on as a consistent receiver.  Miles Austin, a few years ago, had a breakout year.  He was paid handsomely for it, than he became a pussy with alligator arms.  Dez is the future, and hopefully they can be better than Troy and Irvin.  If I remember correctly, Tony Romo has broken several of Aikmans records so far, and Dez just came into himself in the 2nd half of the year.  If that boy gets better, he will be unstoppable.  He is a powerhouse with hands.

Di Atribe:

I try not to be a biased fan, but I wouldn't want Tony Romo playing against The Cowboys with this current line-up.  And thanks for the kind words.  I think this Romo cliche is getting old and people need something new and TRUE to poke fun at.  Ideas?  If Romo had the WR's that Ryan did, they would of destroyed the East in offense, however their defense needs to pick it up this year and hopefully Kiffin will help in the cause.  Dallas needs to implement more of a running game as well.  When the opposing defense knows you are throwing the ball every down, it is easier to guard. but still knowing that, Romo continues to dominate against this.  He has talent, and will gain more confidence the more help he gets from RB's and Defense.  No one person can be successful, one must surround themselves with others that believe in them, and vice-versa.

Go Boys 2004+!
 
2013-07-31 05:59:26 PM  

degenerate-afro: netweavr: IAmRight: js34603: So go ahead. Say Wilson is better than Matt Ryan, that's been your freaking goal the whole thread.

No, my goal has been to point out that Ryan is in possibly the cushiest situation in the league for a QB to put up numbers, and that he's a lot more of a beneficiary of his team than his team is a beneficiary of him.

But yeah, Sidney Rice and Golden Tate, you'd totally want those guys as your WRs over Roddy White and Julio Jones.

That's Denver and New England. Hell they made Orton, Tebow and Cassell look good.

Demaryius Thomas is a beast and Decker / Welker are very solid, but I'd still take throwing to White and Jones in a Dome for eight games a year.

Amendola, Jenkins, and Edelman don't even rank.  Gronk by himself (when he's healthy) doesn't exactly offset matters.

Orton didn't look "good" in Denver, he looked "okay".
Tebow looked awful.  He constantly got bailed out by the defense. Orton was a better QB, but not good enough to derail the Tebow hype train.
Cassell, well his 2010 season was serviceable.  He's also better than Tyler Palko.


Yeah, you're convincing me. Atlanta's got a really solid offense and the draft has definitely been handled well by them in the last few years. I still think New England's been overrated and benefiting from a craptacular division for over 5 years.
 
2013-07-31 06:04:27 PM  

robsul82: Harvin's first game back is SO gonna be against the Saints, I just know it.


That's the goal! I knew you'd be excited.

Daniels: Are we really arguing here that Matt Ryan sucks?  Really?  The 56-22 Matt Ryan who has put up 24 or more points in all but one playoff game?


21 against the Packers (with one of those TDs coming via a kickoff return) and 2 against the Giants.
 
2013-07-31 06:06:16 PM  

IAmRight: js34603: My position is Matt Ryan doesn't "suck", his teams win 11 games a year. Your position is he sucks because you imagine another QB would do better than that. Because so many teams average more than 11 wins a year I guess.

Did anyone say he sucks? Of the 34 mentions of the word in this thread, all of the mentions tied to Ryan are from you. We're simply arguing that he's not anywhere near the class of the people he's being paid like.

He's an above-average quarterback in an ideal situation.


Don't bother arguing with him, he hates on a lot and never admits when a player may be decent, hell I hate the taints but can admit they got a lucky signing when they got Brees. But not douchey righty, he always believes his opinion is above even NFL experts, either that or he's an epic level troll for the past 3-4 years.
 
2013-07-31 06:08:26 PM  

IAmRight: robsul82: Harvin's first game back is SO gonna be against the Saints, I just know it.

That's the goal! I knew you'd be excited.


Should've seen my face drop when I went to check the schedule on my phone and went "3 months, 4 months...faaaaaaaaaark."

IAmRight: and 2 against the Giants.


Hey, all time first and only.
 
2013-07-31 06:16:37 PM  

Treygreen13: js34603: If the love child of Joe Montana and Dan Marino was their QB,

There are no butt-babies in the NFL. Except Sanchez.


WHAT DID YOU SAY?

i27.photobucket.com

It's so hypnotizing. If I should ever encounter a bout with amnesia, I should just watch this gif.
 
2013-07-31 06:17:33 PM  

IAmRight: redmid17: Harvin and Rice being out definitely isn't going to help.

Rice isn't out; Harvin was never really on the team so it's not like it's an issue. All the same, if Harvin is going to play half-seasons, I'd rather he be a bye-week addition and come on for the playoff push and playoffs than have him for the first half of the year.

Wilson's improvement should be enough - we didn't lose anyone of importance (well, Clemons still isn't back from his injury - thanks FedEx Field and your general sh*ttiness!), so we're the same team that was handing out smackdowns toward the end of the year.

League f*cked us with as many early starts as possible though while San Fran only has one.


I thought Rice was on the PUP and just had surgery. Mayhaps I didn't read closely enough
 
2013-07-31 06:17:37 PM  

Di Atribe: Treygreen13: js34603: If the love child of Joe Montana and Dan Marino was their QB,

There are no butt-babies in the NFL. Except Sanchez.

WHAT DID YOU SAY?

[i27.photobucket.com image 330x154]

It's so hypnotizing. If I should ever encounter a bout with amnesia, I should just watch this gif.


I'm just happy He Who Shall Not Be Named isn't as prevalent for sacking himself.
 
2013-07-31 06:18:28 PM  

steamingpile: Don't bother arguing with him, he hates on a lot and never admits when a player may be decent, hell I hate the taints but can admit they got a lucky signing when they got Brees. But not douchey righty, he always believes his opinion is above even NFL experts, either that or he's an epic level troll for the past 3-4 years.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Lip service out of nowhere about Brees is just darling, though.  Oh, and about who's a troll and who's not -

i63.photobucket.com

is a pretty good encapsulation of What Happens When the Entire Thread's Had Enough of steamingpile's Nonsense.
 
2013-07-31 06:19:13 PM  

robsul82: IAmRight: and 2 against the Giants.

Hey, all time first and only.


And against the Packers one of those was a KR TD and another was scored in the 4th quarter of a game the Falcons were losing 42-14 at the time. Truly, he is one of the greats.

/dammit if the Seahawks D just covers someone on that last drive we could also be discussing his two three-and-outs and an INT which allowed the Seahawks back in that game
//or if the Seahawks killed the clock instead of running it in on first down from the 2
///knew Seattle left too much time on the clock and they were going to lose as Lynch scored, because that's how Seattle teams roll...still sucked to see it actually happen though
 
2013-07-31 06:20:15 PM  

netweavr: IAmRight: js34603: So go ahead. Say Wilson is better than Matt Ryan, that's been your freaking goal the whole thread.

No, my goal has been to point out that Ryan is in possibly the cushiest situation in the league for a QB to put up numbers, and that he's a lot more of a beneficiary of his team than his team is a beneficiary of him.

But yeah, Sidney Rice and Golden Tate, you'd totally want those guys as your WRs over Roddy White and Julio Jones.

That's Denver and New England. Hell they made Orton, Tebow and Cassell look good.


He keeps saying that he had an easy gig with a great team but its not true, without Ryan the falcons are at best a 8-9 win team and that's if everything goes right. With him they fark up quite a few games and still make the playoffs, until last year they had shiat defenses and crapp O line play but he acts like they were great.
 
2013-07-31 06:21:12 PM  

redmid17: I thought Rice was on the PUP and just had surgery. Mayhaps I didn't read closely enough


WTF a day ago it was that he was in Switzerland for a non-surgical procedure. Harvin was the one having surgery...the interwebz say so as well. Don't try to do that to me!

/if he does I hope the Bills release Brandon Kaufman because they have too many young WRs and the Seahawks get him
//shoulda drafted him in the 7th round
 
2013-07-31 06:21:20 PM  

IAmRight: robsul82: IAmRight: and 2 against the Giants.

Hey, all time first and only.

And against the Packers one of those was a KR TD and another was scored in the 4th quarter of a game the Falcons were losing 42-14 at the time. Truly, he is one of the greats.

/dammit if the Seahawks D just covers someone on that last drive we could also be discussing his two three-and-outs and an INT which allowed the Seahawks back in that game
//or if the Seahawks killed the clock instead of running it in on first down from the 2
///knew Seattle left too much time on the clock and they were going to lose as Lynch scored, because that's how Seattle teams roll...still sucked to see it actually happen though


The line between 0-4 and 1-4...so thin.  So thin.
 
2013-07-31 06:21:37 PM  

redmid17: IAmRight: redmid17: Harvin and Rice being out definitely isn't going to help.

Rice isn't out; Harvin was never really on the team so it's not like it's an issue. All the same, if Harvin is going to play half-seasons, I'd rather he be a bye-week addition and come on for the playoff push and playoffs than have him for the first half of the year.

Wilson's improvement should be enough - we didn't lose anyone of importance (well, Clemons still isn't back from his injury - thanks FedEx Field and your general sh*ttiness!), so we're the same team that was handing out smackdowns toward the end of the year.

League f*cked us with as many early starts as possible though while San Fran only has one.

I thought Rice was on the PUP and just had surgery. Mayhaps I didn't read closely enough


Maybe the preseason PUP which means nothing since he can come off at any time.

He is having a procedure done in Switzerland.  Not expected to miss any game time, or so they say.
 
2013-07-31 06:23:58 PM  

steamingpile: Deneb81: steamingpile: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.

Yeah, the Ravens defense TOTALLY won them a ton of games last season. I mean, they were top TWENTY!

But really, Flacco hasn't had ONE receiver people would say was one of the best 20 in the league in his career. Ryan had two last year.

Yes and you're blaming that on whom exactly? It couldn't possibly be because he had to throw that much since they had no running game while Flacco had almost a top 10 rushing offense with Ryan having one of the worst.


No, not just numbers but ability wise the falcons have had arguably the best set of pass catchers in the NFL the past few years.

The Ravens have had about average at best for Flacco's tenure.

Who's better - not just stats but physically -
Torrey Smith vs Julio Jones
Roddy White vs Anquan Boldin
Tony Gonzalez vs Dennis Pitta or Ed Dickson

In every case no one would pick the Ravens guy over the comparable Falcon - and not just on stats.

And yeah Rice is a star - but Turner was pretty solid until last year - and even then not in the bottom half of the league.
 
2013-07-31 06:24:56 PM  
Though it wouldn't surprise me if Rice did end up injured - after all, the reason we have the WRs we have is because they got injured a lot in Minnesota. After watching that Pro Bowl gahhhhh give us Larry Fitz, Cards! We'll give you some championship rings when we get 'em!
 
2013-07-31 06:26:03 PM  

Deneb81: And yeah Rice is a star - but Turner was pretty solid until last year - and even then not in the bottom half of the league.


And Baltimore was happy to neutralize Rice themselves on occasion.
 
2013-07-31 06:27:04 PM  
Flacco is the anti-Ryan.

Just thought I would add that.
 
2013-07-31 06:31:13 PM  

IAmRight: /dammit if the Seahawks D just covers someone on that last drive we could also be discussing his two three-and-outs and an INT which allowed the Seahawks back in that game


And ohhhhhhh, the 0-3 pic was all ready to be updated when that all happened.  SO ready, lol.

Oh well.

i63.photobucket.com

Still, 0-4 would've looked so pretty.  *tear*
 
2013-07-31 06:32:03 PM  

JohnnyRebel88: Di Atribe:

I try not to be a biased fan, but I wouldn't want Tony Romo playing against The Cowboys with this current line-up. And thanks for the kind words. I think this Romo cliche is getting old and people need something new and TRUE to poke fun at. Ideas? If Romo had the WR's that Ryan did, they would of destroyed the East in offense, however their defense needs to pick it up this year and hopefully Kiffin will help in the cause. Dallas needs to implement more of a running game as well. When the opposing defense knows you are throwing the ball every down, it is easier to guard. but still knowing that, Romo continues to dominate against this. He has talent, and will gain more confidence the more help he gets from RB's and Defense. No one person can be successful, one must surround themselves with others that believe in them, and vice-versa.

Go Boys 2004+!


I got nothin. Totally speechless. I can only speak in gifs.

i27.photobucket.com

/
 
2013-07-31 06:34:41 PM  

JohnnyRebel88: If I remember correctly, Tony Romo has broken several of Aikmans records so far


If you need reminding, I have a list of the records he's broken in my profile.
 
2013-07-31 06:52:21 PM  

INeedAName: local sports broadcasters


If you're listening to ESPN 980, all you're getting are the Snyder-approved propagandists. The guys on 106.7 are as tempered and pessimistic as they come.
 
2013-07-31 06:55:08 PM  
Came for the Tony Romo jokes. leaving disappoint.
 
2013-07-31 06:57:18 PM  

abhorrent1: Came for the Tony Romo jokes. leaving disappoint.


Do you know what you call a 416 yard, 4 TD 0 INT performance by Tony Romo? A Cowboys loss.
 
2013-07-31 07:00:57 PM  

kronicfeld: INeedAName: local sports broadcasters

If you're listening to ESPN 980, all you're getting are the Snyder-approved propagandists. The guys on 106.7 are as tempered and pessimistic as they come.


That is a complete joke. Even Arrington has mentioned that they are looking primed to make a deep playoff run this year when they have yet to actually take the field this season.
 
2013-07-31 07:00:57 PM  
Why does Tony Romo pay cash for everything? Because nobody will give him any credit.
 
2013-07-31 07:03:49 PM  
Why does everyone get their food so fast at Cowboys Training Camp? Because there's no line.
 
2013-07-31 07:05:40 PM  

Treygreen13: abhorrent1: Came for the Tony Romo jokes. leaving disappoint.

Do you know what you call a 416 yard, 4 TD 0 INT performance by Tony Romo? A Cowboys loss.


Does it need saying?
 
2013-07-31 07:06:30 PM  
Why did the Cowboys defense perform so badly last year? They were getting ready the Cover Who offense.
 
2013-07-31 07:07:12 PM  
*defense
 
2013-07-31 07:11:38 PM  
Why is Justin Bieber jealous of the Cowboys' receivers?

Their balls are always dropping.
 
2013-07-31 07:11:58 PM  
The net they pull up behind the goal posts for an extra point is actually just Miles Austin's mangled hamstring.
 
2013-07-31 07:14:20 PM  
Doug Free began False Starting 11 days in advance of training camp.
 
2013-07-31 07:14:34 PM  
List of Pro Bowl game changes came out today:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9525557/nfl-makes-major-pro-bowl-c ha nges

Just let the sad old thing die already.
 
2013-07-31 07:15:19 PM  
How do you stop Romo from driving?

Leave Dez Bryant open.
 
2013-07-31 07:19:09 PM  
Sometimes just to be funny Jason Garrett speaks only in binary code on the headset.
 
2013-07-31 07:19:21 PM  

netweavr: How do you stop Romo from driving?

Leave Dez Bryant open.


weavr, don't make me come over there
 
2013-07-31 07:19:27 PM  

Deneb81: steamingpile: Deneb81: steamingpile: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.

Yeah, the Ravens defense TOTALLY won them a ton of games last season. I mean, they were top TWENTY!

But really, Flacco hasn't had ONE receiver people would say was one of the best 20 in the league in his career. Ryan had two last year.

Yes and you're blaming that on whom exactly? It couldn't possibly be because he had to throw that much since they had no running game while Flacco had almost a top 10 rushing offense with Ryan having one of the worst.

No, not just numbers but ability wise the falcons have had arguably the best set of pass catchers in the NFL the past few years.

The Ravens have had about average at best for Flacco's tenure.

Who's better - not just stats but physically -
Torrey Smith vs Julio Jones
Roddy White vs Anquan Boldin
Tony Gonzalez vs Dennis Pitta or Ed Dickson

In every case no one would pick the Ravens guy over the comparable Falcon - and not just on stats.

And yeah Rice is a star - but Turner was pretty solid until last year - and even then not in the bottom half of the league.


Those guys are pretty close until you get to Tony, let's not act like Roddy is that much better than Boldin. A good running game does wonders for the passing game, to have that good of a passing game with a shiatty running game really says a lot, before Flacco had that there was talk of how shiatty he was.

And you haven't been paying attention, Turner had dropped off the past two years, it was the previous year before when he couldn't even pick up a yard on 4th down.
 
2013-07-31 07:20:17 PM  
Tony Romo once overthrew a swing pass so badly, Joe Buck caught it.
 
2013-07-31 07:22:19 PM  
What's the difference between Romo and Brady?

One of them came out of nowhere and dated a model while breaking several franchise records, the other is Tom Brady.
 
2013-07-31 07:23:58 PM  
Tony Romo once threw a 77 yard pass in overtime of an actual NFL game to a reality show contestant.
 
2013-07-31 07:25:09 PM  

Di Atribe: netweavr: How do you stop Romo from driving?

Leave Dez Bryant open.

weavr, don't make me come over there


Hey, in Dez Bryant's defense, the pass hit him in the hands.

I mean, how's a guy supposed to catch that?
 
2013-07-31 07:33:39 PM  
Tony Romo once threw a ball so well even Roy Williams could catch it.
 
2013-07-31 07:37:52 PM  

Treygreen13: Tony Romo once threw a ball so well even Roy Williams could catch it.


Tony Romo then got blamed for what happened next.
 
2013-07-31 07:40:18 PM  

Treygreen13: Tony Romo once threw a ball so well even Roy Williams could catch it.


In fairness Roy Williams posted 1300+ yards with Jon Kitna passing to him, so let's not go praising him for that.
 
2013-07-31 07:40:39 PM  
Supposed to be the Thanksgiving fumble picture with Roy looking behind him underneath that, shiat.  Guess I Roy Williams'd Tony Romo'd it.
 
2013-07-31 07:46:52 PM  

steamingpile: Deneb81: steamingpile: Deneb81: steamingpile: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.

Yeah, the Ravens defense TOTALLY won them a ton of games last season. I mean, they were top TWENTY!

But really, Flacco hasn't had ONE receiver people would say was one of the best 20 in the league in his career. Ryan had two last year.

Yes and you're blaming that on whom exactly? It couldn't possibly be because he had to throw that much since they had no running game while Flacco had almost a top 10 rushing offense with Ryan having one of the worst.

No, not just numbers but ability wise the falcons have had arguably the best set of pass catchers in the NFL the past few years.

The Ravens have had about average at best for Flacco's tenure.

Who's better - not just stats but physically -
Torrey Smith vs Julio Jones
Roddy White vs Anquan Boldin
Tony Gonzalez vs Dennis Pitta or Ed Dickson

In every case no one would pick the Ravens guy over the comparable Falcon - and not just on stats.

And yeah Rice is a star - but Turner was pretty solid until last year - and even then not in the bottom half of the league.

Those guys are pretty close until you get to Tony, let's not act like Roddy is that much better than Boldin. A good running game does wonders for the passing game, to have that good of a passing game with a shiatty running game really says a lot, before Flacco had that there was talk of how shiatty he was.

And you haven't been paying attention, Turner had dropped off the past two years, it was the previous year before when he couldn't even pick up a yard on 4th down.


I'm a ravens fan, but you are nuts. Boldin is a possession receiver. He's nowhere near as fast as White an has never been a true number one.

And I love Torrey - great kid and a fellow Terp. But to say he and Jones are of the same class is silly. I think Torrey's a better Mike Wallace, but he's just not big enough to be in that class
 
2013-07-31 07:47:27 PM  

Lou Cypher: List of Pro Bowl game changes came out today:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9525557/nfl-makes-major-pro-bowl-c ha nges

Just let the sad old thing die already.


Virtually all of those are huge improvements. The no kickoff thing kinda sucks though. Shorter play clocks? Good. Defenses allowed to play different styles? Good. Turnovers and 2-minute drills at the end of every quarter? Good (especially since lots of people only play a quarter). Clock doesn't stop on sacks? Good. (I wasn't even aware it did stop on them. Why the hell would it stop on a sack? You're down in bounds - clock rolls!) Team captains and fantasy draft? Great!

• Changes will be made to the game clock during the two-minute warning, with the clock stopping if the offense doesn't gain at least 1 yard, in order to encourage offenses to try to gain yardage at the end of each quarter.

Good. (Though I support the whole NFL changing the rule to be like the AFL - you just have to move the ball forward in order to keep the clock running. And it only applies to the team with the lead - if you want to kneel down and end the game with a loss, go ahead.)
 
2013-07-31 07:50:53 PM  

Deneb81: 'm a ravens fan, but you are nuts


steamingpile is beyond nuts.

I may have opinions everyone on here hates, but I at least back them up with SOMEthing. He's out here acting like Boldin and White are basically even at this point in their careers.

Maybe we can get him to be GM of his team so everyone can fleece him blind if he actually believes any of the retarded sh*t he says.
 
2013-07-31 07:58:52 PM  
l2.yimg.com
 
2013-07-31 08:09:13 PM  
Hey, denigrating the other name players to make the QB look better than he is just comes with the territory.
 
2013-07-31 08:12:03 PM  

INeedAName: That is a complete joke. Even Arrington has mentioned that they are looking primed to make a deep playoff run this year when they have yet to actually take the field this season.


People making predictions about football teams? The horror.

Arrington is white noise to me, incidentally. He's the least articulate media personality I think I've ever heard.
 
2013-07-31 08:15:13 PM  

robsul82: Hey, denigrating the other name players to make the QB look better than he is just comes with the territory when you're in that insane head, I mean.


Should probably make that clear, lol.
 
2013-07-31 08:33:26 PM  
Tony Romo once spun out of a tackle from an offensive lineman.
 
2013-07-31 08:46:25 PM  
I always like that some people appear to expect players on bad teams to be realistic when asked how they think their team is going to do this year. Rule #1 of media handling: Always Be Optimistic.
 
2013-07-31 09:20:23 PM  
The Romo jokes in this comment section FAIL. Can't believe you people couldn't live up to the hype...srsly
 
2013-07-31 09:21:38 PM  
Kurt Warner #1?

Looks at stats - Yep
 
2013-07-31 09:31:39 PM  
One more jackass twisting stats around to find a way to dis Ken Anderson.

"Clutch records" my sweaty white butt.
 
2013-07-31 09:39:13 PM  

JohnnyRebel88: If Romo had the WR's that Ryan did, they would of destroyed the East in offense, however their defense needs to pick it up this year and hopefully Kiffin will help in the cause. Dallas needs to implement more of a running game as well. When the opposing defense knows you are throwing the ball every down, it is easier to guard. but still knowing that, Romo continues to dominate against this. He has talent, and will gain more confidence the more help he gets from RB's and Defense. No one person can be successful, one must surround themselves with others that believe in them, and vice-versa.


But did they really do much to improve the defense (as opposed to just change it) and, more significantly, to get a running game?   I don't see where they've improved much and the prototypical successful Cowboys play remains Romo running around for his life for 10 minutes in the backfield and then making an improbable pass for a first down.  Sure, it was fun the first couple of times back in 2006 and 2007, but it's no way to build an offense to win playoffs and Super Bowls.

Romo is neither the problem nor the solution.   He's just the punching bag that Leatherface and Ginger Douche hide behind.
 
2013-07-31 10:46:34 PM  

Deneb81: steamingpile: Deneb81: steamingpile: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.

Yeah, the Ravens defense TOTALLY won them a ton of games last season. I mean, they were top TWENTY!

But really, Flacco hasn't had ONE receiver people would say was one of the best 20 in the league in his career. Ryan had two last year.

Yes and you're blaming that on whom exactly? It couldn't possibly be because he had to throw that much since they had no running game while Flacco had almost a top 10 rushing offense with Ryan having one of the worst.

No, not just numbers but ability wise the falcons have had arguably the best set of pass catchers in the NFL the past few years.

The Ravens have had about average at best for Flacco's tenure.

Who's better - not just stats but physically -
Torrey Smith vs Julio Jones
Roddy White vs Anquan Boldin
Tony Gonzalez vs Dennis Pitta or Ed Dickson

In every case no one would pick the Ravens guy over the comparable Falcon - and not just on stats.

And yeah Rice is a star - but Turner was pretty solid until last year - and even then not in the bottom half of the league.


And this is the post where I put you on my 'football retard' list to be ignored in Sports Tab discussions.
 
2013-07-31 10:58:36 PM  

degenerate-afro: Current members of the 20 million per year club

Drew "Super Bowl MVP" Brees
Joe "Super Bowl MVP" Flacco
Aaron "Super Bowl MVP" Rodgers
Matt "One and Done" Ryan

It's good that Matt Ryan had Julio Jones, Roddy White, and Tony Gonzalez to carry his ass to a payday.


It's also bad they apparently weren't good enough to carry him to a championship and a Superbowl MVP.
 
2013-07-31 11:28:48 PM  
As a Bears fan with no experience watching stud QBs, I'll just sit back and listen...

//Seriously, fark you every other team int he NFL...
 
2013-07-31 11:53:11 PM  

IAmRight: robsul82: Harvin's first game back is SO gonna be against the Saints, I just know it.

That's the goal! I knew you'd be excited.

Daniels: Are we really arguing here that Matt Ryan sucks?  Really?  The 56-22 Matt Ryan who has put up 24 or more points in all but one playoff game?

21 against the Packers (with one of those TDs coming via a kickoff return) and 2 against the Giants.


*Who has put up 21 or more points in all but one playoff game.  POint stands.

So I'm clear, you're blaming a loss in which the team gave up 50 points on the quarterback?
 
2013-08-01 02:30:24 AM  

Free Radical: Kurt Warner #1?

Looks at stats - Yep


Honestly, the best pure quarterback of the era.  High completion percentage, high yards per attempt.. just a farking boss
 
2013-08-01 03:51:08 AM  
Rivers is #5 on his first five years chart, and even the pony fans didn't freak out?  Wow.

Damn, Chargers.  Keep staying under the radar.
 
2013-08-01 06:10:00 AM  

gameshowhost: Well that's just silly to start Rodgers career in '05.  In Rodgers "first three years" ('05-'07), Brent* Favre started every game.  Rodgers appeared in a total of 7 games over that three year span, went 35/59 for 329 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT.  Gosh, he sure played a lot.

Put him '08-'12, when he actually played in them foosball games.

/*we'll miss him


9 of the top 12 QBs by rating in NFL history are currently playing.  All 9 have better ratings than Dan Marino.

21 Current NFL QBs have better ratings than John Elway for their career. The game has evolved so much in the last seven years to allow QBs free reign that  Its absolutely silly of anyone to compare Rodgers to Favre (or elway or marino or anyone from previous eras) by numbers.  Look at Favre's best seasons, they are at the end of his career.  Now he clearly was not as good at the end of his career, the stats just claim he was.


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm
 
2013-08-01 06:16:24 AM  

bhcompy: Free Radical: Kurt Warner #1?

Looks at stats - Yep

Honestly, the best pure quarterback of the era.  High completion percentage, high yards per attempt.. just a farking boss


Yeah when he actually started. He equal parts awesome and wtf. No way around it.
 
2013-08-01 07:12:25 AM  

xaks: Deneb81: steamingpile: Deneb81: steamingpile: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.

Yeah, the Ravens defense TOTALLY won them a ton of games last season. I mean, they were top TWENTY!

But really, Flacco hasn't had ONE receiver people would say was one of the best 20 in the league in his career. Ryan had two last year.

Yes and you're blaming that on whom exactly? It couldn't possibly be because he had to throw that much since they had no running game while Flacco had almost a top 10 rushing offense with Ryan having one of the worst.

No, not just numbers but ability wise the falcons have had arguably the best set of pass catchers in the NFL the past few years.

The Ravens have had about average at best for Flacco's tenure.

Who's better - not just stats but physically -
Torrey Smith vs Julio Jones
Roddy White vs Anquan Boldin
Tony Gonzalez vs Dennis Pitta or Ed Dickson

In every case no one would pick the Ravens guy over the comparable Falcon - and not just on stats.

And yeah Rice is a star - but Turner was pretty solid until last year - and even then not in the bottom half of the league.

And this is the post where I put you on my 'football retard' list to be ignored in Sports Tab discussions.


Julio Jones and Roddy White were both just listed in ESPN's top 10 receivers in the NFL.

Boldin, Smith, and Jacoby Jones are nowhere to be found.

Are you really pretending they're in the same class?
 
2013-08-01 07:16:09 AM  

xaks: Deneb81: steamingpile: Deneb81: steamingpile: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.

Yeah, the Ravens defense TOTALLY won them a ton of games last season. I mean, they were top TWENTY!

But really, Flacco hasn't had ONE receiver people would say was one of the best 20 in the league in his career. Ryan had two last year.

Yes and you're blaming that on whom exactly? It couldn't possibly be because he had to throw that much since they had no running game while Flacco had almost a top 10 rushing offense with Ryan having one of the worst.

No, not just numbers but ability wise the falcons have had arguably the best set of pass catchers in the NFL the past few years.

The Ravens have had about average at best for Flacco's tenure.

Who's better - not just stats but physically -
Torrey Smith vs Julio Jones
Roddy White vs Anquan Boldin
Tony Gonzalez vs Dennis Pitta or Ed Dickson

In every case no one would pick the Ravens guy over the comparable Falcon - and not just on stats.

And yeah Rice is a star - but Turner was pretty solid until last year - and even then not in the bottom half of the league.

And this is the post where I put you on my 'football retard' list to be ignored in Sports Tab discussions.


Also, Turner was 21st among backs in yardage - middle of the pack last year. The prior year he was 3rd in yardage.

I'm sorry you don't like the stats.
 
2013-08-01 08:42:41 AM  

Free Radical: Kurt Warner #1?

Looks at stats - Yep


Straight from stocking super market shelves to a Superbowl winning career. He may be kind of douchey but he was a damn good QB.
 
2013-08-01 11:11:14 AM  

elguerodiablo: degenerate-afro: Current members of the 20 million per year club

Drew "Super Bowl MVP" Brees
Joe "Super Bowl MVP" Flacco
Aaron "Super Bowl MVP" Rodgers
Matt "One and Done" Ryan

It's good that Matt Ryan had Julio Jones, Roddy White, and Tony Gonzalez to carry his ass to a payday.

It's also bad they apparently weren't good enough to carry him to a championship and a Superbowl MVP.


Maybe you didn't watch the Falcons 49ers game, but Ryan missed a wide open Gonzalez in the endzone.

You're also forgetting the two interceptions that Ryan threw in the Seattle game.  Matt Ryan has more INT than TDs in the playoffs.
 
2013-08-01 11:12:52 AM  

monoski: Free Radical: Kurt Warner #1?

Looks at stats - Yep

Straight from stocking super market shelves to a Superbowl winning career. He may be kind of douchey but he was a damn good QB.


Douchey? When you think of douchey QBs, you think of Kurt Warner? I can think of PLENTY who come before him when it comes to vaginal cleansing aids.
 
2013-08-01 11:44:31 AM  

Daniels: *Who has put up 21 or more points in all but one playoff game.  POint stands.

So I'm clear, you're blaming a loss in which the team gave up 50 points on the quarterback?


Well, if he scored more than 7 before the game was out of hand...and you're giving a QB credit for scoring 21 points when one TD was on a kickoff return and another was a garbage-time TD scored with his team down 4 TDs in the 4th quarter?

degenerate-afro: Matt Ryan has more INT than TDs in the playoffs.


No, he doesn't (9 TD, 7 INT) - his best performance was actually what he did against San Francisco.
 
2013-08-01 11:53:17 AM  

davidphogan: Rivers is #5 on his first five years chart, and even the pony fans didn't freak out?  Wow.

Damn, Chargers.  Keep staying under the radar.


Well, he's gone dramatically downhill since those first five years, thanks to the team becoming incredibly sh*tty around him.
 
2013-08-01 12:36:50 PM  

IAmRight: degenerate-afro: Matt Ryan has more INT than TDs in the playoffs.

No, he doesn't (9 TD, 7 INT) - his best performance was actually what he did against San Francisco.


I sit corrected.  I forgot he was 3-1 in the 49ers game.
 
2013-08-01 01:11:28 PM  

Deneb81: xaks: Deneb81: steamingpile: Deneb81: steamingpile: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Really because I read most of it and they took a shiat on him while trying to elevate Joe "defense save me" Flacco.

I can't wait for Flacco and the ravens to suck ass this year so everyone will shut the fark up about him.

Yeah, the Ravens defense TOTALLY won them a ton of games last season. I mean, they were top TWENTY!

But really, Flacco hasn't had ONE receiver people would say was one of the best 20 in the league in his career. Ryan had two last year.

Yes and you're blaming that on whom exactly? It couldn't possibly be because he had to throw that much since they had no running game while Flacco had almost a top 10 rushing offense with Ryan having one of the worst.

No, not just numbers but ability wise the falcons have had arguably the best set of pass catchers in the NFL the past few years.

The Ravens have had about average at best for Flacco's tenure.

Who's better - not just stats but physically -
Torrey Smith vs Julio Jones
Roddy White vs Anquan Boldin
Tony Gonzalez vs Dennis Pitta or Ed Dickson

In every case no one would pick the Ravens guy over the comparable Falcon - and not just on stats.

And yeah Rice is a star - but Turner was pretty solid until last year - and even then not in the bottom half of the league.

And this is the post where I put you on my 'football retard' list to be ignored in Sports Tab discussions.

Also, Turner was 21st among backs in yardage - middle of the pack last year. The prior year he was 3rd in yardage.

I'm sorry you don't like the stats.


Total yardage yes but it tells very little of the story, he had one of the worst YPC averages in the league. He looks good against teams with shiat defensive lines but teams with average lines he looks slow and tired. When a RB drops off they are done and Turner was done two years ago, sorry you couldn't see that fact.

Those players you are comparing are not the same class I am agreeing but to even remotely say that Ryan has more on his team like others in this thread have been saying is just farking moronic. Their line has sucked on both sides for 3 years now and nothing they have done has worked. It delved into the O line players actually biatching at the coaches last year when it was obvious they couldn't block the second string from most teams.

What's ironic is that outside of the WR position there is a severe drop off for the falcons over every other QB mentioned yet people are actually arguing they have a great team. Only one player on the line would start for any other NFL team and he's farking old and over priced.
 
2013-08-01 02:18:45 PM  

Deneb81: Julio Jones and Roddy White were both just listed in ESPN's top 10 receivers in the NFL.

Boldin, Smith, and Jacoby Jones are nowhere to be found.

Are you really pretending they're in the same class?


Boldin, at this age, is an amazing possession receiver who will go up to catch anything.  He was among the top receivers in the league in Arizona in his youth.
 
2013-08-01 02:45:25 PM  

IAmRight: Deneb81: 'm a ravens fan, but you are nuts

steamingpile is beyond nuts.

I may have opinions everyone on here hates, but I at least back them up with SOMEthing. He's out here acting like Boldin and White are basically even at this point in their careers.

Maybe we can get him to be GM of his team so everyone can fleece him blind if he actually believes any of the retarded sh*t he says.


The bold is ironic since you usually just post opinion without ever backing up how you arrived at that point, you put me on ignore ever since I proved you wrong on players conferences put in the NFL, then you changed it and said linemen and you were proven wrong again but keep moving your argument. You are usually wrong on every point you post.

IAmRight: Well, if he scored more than 7 before the game was out of hand...and you're giving a QB credit for scoring 21 points when one TD was on a kickoff return and another was a garbage-time TD scored with his team down 4 TDs in the 4th quarter?


Oh but none of the blame is still going to be lumped by you on their shiatty defense, mainly because it would go against your point that Ryan has a good team around him which he doesnt, he has a very average team with some WRs that are amazing and HOFer at TE, other than that they have pretty average guys that have been coached up the last year. The falcons D coordinator is good at hiding their flaws but they are hardly a great defense.

bhcompy: Boldin, at this age, is an amazing possession receiver who will go up to catch anything. He was among the top receivers in the league in Arizona in his youth.


Which is my point, they act like hes shiat but in his prime he was probably in the top 3-5, hes dropped a bit but thats not completely his fault since his QB throws a weak ball. The best thing Julio has going for him is his size and the fact hes not scared to block which confuses secondaries now and scared Seattle in the playoffs, knocking someone in the mouth has the effect of shutting up that player that wont shut up about how they are going to shut you down.
 
2013-08-01 04:31:24 PM  

steamingpile: The bold is ironic since you usually just post opinion without ever backing up how you arrived at that point, you put me on ignore ever since I proved you wrong on players conferences put in the NFL, then you changed it and said linemen and you were proven wrong again but keep moving your argument. You are usually wrong on every point you post.


helian.net

The bold is definitely ironic, hahahahahahaha
 
2013-08-01 10:13:42 PM  

tlchwi02: Di Atribe: Hm, no, that can't be it. It's probably just two quarterbacks throwing balls at each other.

i'd watch dodge ball with pro QB's. you should get a pitch meeting together


Dodgeball: NFL QBs VS MLB Pitchers

I would pay to watch that.
 
2013-08-01 11:25:14 PM  

lakrfool: tlchwi02: Di Atribe: Hm, no, that can't be it. It's probably just two quarterbacks throwing balls at each other.

i'd watch dodge ball with pro QB's. you should get a pitch meeting together

Dodgeball: NFL QBs VS MLB Pitchers

I would pay to watch that.


Number of teams allowing their players to sign up for that; Zero.

/I'd love to watch it, too. F*cking reality and money BS.
 
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