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(Bleacher Report)   Which QBs had the best 5-year starts in NFL history? List to the left, Tony Romo jokes to the right   (bleacherreport.com) divider line 206
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2013-07-31 01:29:27 PM
Wasn't expecting Pennington to be anywhere near the top.  Although after last's laffer by the Jests, he looks like the god of football.
 
2013-07-31 02:03:34 PM
Well that's just silly to start Rodgers career in '05.  In Rodgers "first three years" ('05-'07), Brent* Favre started every game.  Rodgers appeared in a total of 7 games over that three year span, went 35/59 for 329 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT.  Gosh, he sure played a lot.

Put him '08-'12, when he actually played in them foosball games.

/*we'll miss him
 
2013-07-31 02:19:09 PM
Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.
 
2013-07-31 02:22:09 PM
I want to ask the author what Matt Ryan's balls taste like.
 
2013-07-31 02:24:12 PM
Statistics in athletics are the perfect illustration of the old proverb, "Past performance is no guarantee of future results."  In the top five are only two SB winners.  Meanwhile, in the rest of the list are three multiple SB winners (Montana, Brady, Rapeyburger).  I'd also like to see the stats broken down to distinguish between regular season and playoff games.  Matty Ice doesn't do so great in January.

This is a better indicator of QB excellence, IMHO.
 
2013-07-31 02:24:36 PM
Dear author...

i63.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-31 02:24:49 PM

gameshowhost: Well that's just silly to start Rodgers career in '05.


The same for Romo. If only he had strolled into camp as an undrafted free agent and stomped on Drew Bledsoe's nuts on the way to the starting job, then maybe he'd do better in this stupid metric.
 
2013-07-31 02:31:27 PM
You expect me to read farking Bleacher Report?  Should I also go to CNN to study race relations in America?  No thanks.
 
2013-07-31 02:34:19 PM
Wherein QBs are irrationally ranked based on team accomplishments.
 
2013-07-31 02:35:32 PM

Aarontology: I want to ask the author what Matt Ryan's balls taste like.


5 years and only 1 playoff win? Probably bitter.
 
2013-07-31 02:39:24 PM
Part of me is gonna hate the Seahawks defense forever for allowing the Falcons to come back and win that game, allowing them to have a playoff win. No playoff wins is so much funnier than one.

Also, wow, Matt Ryan somehow succeeded with a team with two top-10 caliber WRs, a HoF TE, and mostly a decent running game, all while playing most games in a dome. Real impressive. If the Falcons had an ACTUAL stud at QB he'd post 6000 yards and 70 TD.
 
2013-07-31 02:39:24 PM
subby's previous career:

people.csail.mit.edu
 
2013-07-31 02:45:41 PM
How many great QBs were sidelined two of their first 5 years? Silly stat is silly.

/Romo sucks
 
2013-07-31 02:46:58 PM

IAmRight: Part of me is gonna hate the Seahawks defense forever for allowing the Falcons to come back and win that game, allowing them to have a playoff win. No playoff wins is so much funnier than one.

Also, wow, Matt Ryan somehow succeeded with a team with two top-10 caliber WRs, a HoF TE, and mostly a decent running game, all while playing most games in a dome. Real impressive. If the Falcons had an ACTUAL stud at QB he'd post 6000 yards and 70 TD.


It's almost like football is a.... oh what do you call those thingies again.... is it.... a TEAM sport?

Hm, no, that can't be it. It's probably just two quarterbacks throwing balls at each other.


/balls
 
2013-07-31 02:47:37 PM

xynix: /Romo sucks


No, he doesn't.
 
2013-07-31 02:49:27 PM

abhorrent1: Aarontology: I want to ask the author what Matt Ryan's balls taste like.

5 years and only 1 playoff win? Probably bitter.


hahahhahaha
 
2013-07-31 02:53:04 PM

kronicfeld: Wherein QBs are irrationally ranked based on team accomplishments.


There's really no other way to rank QBs.

Football isn't like baseball where it's largely an individual sport.... though baseball stat nerds sometimes over estimate the individuality of baseball.
 
2013-07-31 02:56:48 PM
Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win
 
2013-07-31 03:00:24 PM

MugzyBrown: There's really no other way to rank QBs.


There are plenty of other ways. Otherwise you have to say that Mark "Buttfumble" Sanchez is near the top.

Unfortunately, the one in the article also isn't very good because it references an artificial time-frame that punishes QBs who didn't start right away. Also the whole thing is constructed to praise Matt Ryan.
 
2013-07-31 03:05:31 PM

MagicBus: would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch


You can't say things like this without opening yourself up to the obvious counterexample, which is that he would've missed the Super Bowl if Rahim Moore didn't utterly blow his coverage in the Broncos game.
 
2013-07-31 03:06:29 PM

Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.


Here's a summary of TFA, because it's most certainly tl;don't read.

"Matt Ryan did! He's great. Look at these numbers. He's even better if you look at THESE numbers, which put him in the company of the greatest QBs ever. Now, here's a list I made of the greatest QBs ever- hey look at that! All of the assumptions and suppositions I made using numbers that suit my argument make Ryan one of the best ever! Now, let's look at some other numbers, totally different from before. These numbers also confirm he's the best ever. Now, if you take those numbers, divide them by these numbers, and put them in a chart, then he's still the best ever, which means he's the best ever. Also, numbers! I can use excel."
 
2013-07-31 03:07:37 PM

Di Atribe: Hm, no, that can't be it. It's probably just two quarterbacks throwing balls at each other.


i'd watch dodge ball with pro QB's. you should get a pitch meeting together
 
2013-07-31 03:13:05 PM

IAmRight: Part of me is gonna hate the Seahawks defense forever for allowing the Falcons to come back and win that game, allowing them to have a playoff win. No playoff wins is so much funnier than one.


Yep.
 
2013-07-31 03:13:27 PM
Matt Ryan eh? I'll be sure to select him in the later rounds of the NFL Fantasy Bowl because he won't be skipping it.
 
2013-07-31 03:21:47 PM
Wow- let's take an arbitrary time frame, act under the assumption that QBs are somehow defined by the start of their career, and otherwise make some weak assumptions in order to make Matt Ryan seem better than he is.

You want to hear about a bust? How 'bout a guy who started his career 3-16, with an 11:21 TD/INT and sub-54% completions. That guy sucked. In fact, over his first 5 seasons, he managed to only win 10 games.

I'd sure take Matt Ryan over that guy in a heartbeat, because it's obvious Matt Ryan's a better quarterback. Just look at the numbers.
 
2013-07-31 03:22:28 PM

Di Atribe: xynix: /Romo sucks

No, he doesn't.


problem?
 
2013-07-31 03:24:18 PM

robsul82: IAmRight: Part of me is gonna hate the Seahawks defense forever for allowing the Falcons to come back and win that game, allowing them to have a playoff win. No playoff wins is so much funnier than one.

Yep.


Well you have to hate them double for being the under-.500 playoff team that beat your team AND then gave your rival their only playoff win.

But at least you can still appreciate Richard Sherman trolling Roddy White all the time.
 
P0e
2013-07-31 03:37:29 PM

MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win


Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"
 
2013-07-31 03:37:59 PM
I follow this guy on twitter. If you guys think he gargles Matt Ryan's balls, you don't know what you're talking about.

@captaincomeback is his handle.
 
2013-07-31 03:38:07 PM

IAmRight: robsul82: IAmRight: Part of me is gonna hate the Seahawks defense forever for allowing the Falcons to come back and win that game, allowing them to have a playoff win. No playoff wins is so much funnier than one.

Yep.

Well you have to hate them double for being the under-.500 playoff team that beat your team AND then gave your rival their only playoff win.


Oh yes, lol.

But at least you can still appreciate Richard Sherman trolling Roddy White all the time.

That's very true.
 
2013-07-31 03:40:03 PM

Scaevola: Statistics in athletics are the perfect illustration of the old proverb, "Past performance is no guarantee of future results."  In the top five are only two SB winners.  Meanwhile, in the rest of the list are three multiple SB winners (Montana, Brady, Rapeyburger).  I'd also like to see the stats broken down to distinguish between regular season and playoff games.  Matty Ice doesn't do so great in January.

This is a better indicator of QB excellence, IMHO.


The guy weighs playoff record so heavily, so that opinion piece is pretty much out the window.
 
2013-07-31 03:40:18 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-31 03:43:02 PM

grinding_journalist: Di Atribe: Misleading headline. This isn't about the best QBs through their first 5 years. This is an article about how awesome Matt Ryan is.

Here's a summary of TFA, because it's most certainly tl;don't read.

"Matt Ryan did! He's great. Look at these numbers. He's even better if you look at THESE numbers, which put him in the company of the greatest QBs ever. Now, here's a list I made of the greatest QBs ever- hey look at that! All of the assumptions and suppositions I made using numbers that suit my argument make Ryan one of the best ever! Now, let's look at some other numbers, totally different from before. These numbers also confirm he's the best ever. Now, if you take those numbers, divide them by these numbers, and put them in a chart, then he's still the best ever, which means he's the best ever. Also, numbers! I can use excel."


I like your journalism way more than the author's. When we get that pitch meeting together for the QB dodgeball league, I'm gonna nominate you as official NFLQBDBL blogger. That's how much I like you.
 
2013-07-31 03:45:08 PM

P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"


I don't think Tom Brady's QB prowess was ever in question.
 
2013-07-31 03:47:23 PM
Lot of but but but I don't want to believe statistics because I hate Matt Ryan, so I don't.

Bottom line the guy has won the most regular season games in his first 5 years of anyone, ever. Sure some great QBs didn't play their first five years, sorry can't hold that against Ryan.

He doesn't win in the playoffs, you can chuckle all you want about that, but if he's winning a higher percentage of his regular season games than anyone else, why is his 4 or 5 games in the playoffs (vs. like 100 regular season games) the true indicator he sucks while his performance in the larger sample is ignored? Oh that's right, because some of you desperately want to believe he sucks.

Oh but his team is good, he plays in a dome, blah. No kidding his team is good, so is Brady's team, so is Manning's team. We wouldn't even be discussing it if his team sucked, just like we wouldn't be discussing any QB on a shiatty team (other than Sanchez).

He's not Manning or Brady or Rodgers . He's in the big pile of QBs under them and before you get to the scrubs like Buttfumble and the Mixed Grill in Arizona. Deal with it, Saints "fan" and Seahawks (bitter much?) fans.

/Romo doesn't suck either, no matter how much you desperately want that to be true
 
2013-07-31 03:50:59 PM

Di Atribe: P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"

I don't think Tom Brady's QB prowess was ever in question.


What's to doubt?

static.foxsports.com
 
2013-07-31 03:51:45 PM

js34603: Lot of but but but I don't want to believe statistics because I hate Matt Ryan, so I don't.

Bottom line the guy has won the most regular season games in his first 5 years of anyone, ever. Sure some great QBs didn't play their first five years, sorry can't hold that against Ryan.

He doesn't win in the playoffs, you can chuckle all you want about that, but if he's winning a higher percentage of his regular season games than anyone else, why is his 4 or 5 games in the playoffs (vs. like 100 regular season games) the true indicator he sucks while his performance in the larger sample is ignored? Oh that's right, because some of you desperately want to believe he sucks.

Oh but his team is good, he plays in a dome, blah. No kidding his team is good, so is Brady's team, so is Manning's team. We wouldn't even be discussing it if his team sucked, just like we wouldn't be discussing any QB on a shiatty team (other than Sanchez).

He's not Manning or Brady or Rodgers . He's in the big pile of QBs under them and before you get to the scrubs like Buttfumble and the Mixed Grill in Arizona. Deal with it, Saints "fan" and Seahawks (bitter much?) fans.

/Romo doesn't suck either, no matter how much you desperately want that to be true


I'm pretty sure I heard this exact post about ten years ago.
 
2013-07-31 03:52:52 PM

Prevailing Wind: Di Atribe: P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"

I don't think Tom Brady's QB prowess was ever in question.

What's to doubt?

[static.foxsports.com image 280x300]


Nothing to see here

bostonherald.com
 
2013-07-31 03:53:46 PM

js34603: Deal with it, Saints "fan"


Meanwhile in RoddyWhiteville

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-31 03:56:58 PM

Di Atribe: xynix: /Romo sucks

No, he doesn't.


He really doesn't. He (or more precisely his team) just have an awesome tendency to wilt under pressure.

I particularly enjoyed his Thanksgiving and Week 17 performances last season.
 
2013-07-31 03:57:43 PM
Current members of the 20 million per year club

Drew "Super Bowl MVP" Brees
Joe "Super Bowl MVP" Flacco
Aaron "Super Bowl MVP" Rodgers
Matt "One and Done" Ryan

It's good that Matt Ryan had Julio Jones, Roddy White, and Tony Gonzalez to carry his ass to a payday.
 
2013-07-31 04:00:44 PM

brap: Wasn't expecting Pennington to be anywhere near the top.  Although after last's laffer by the Jests, he looks like the god of football.


I was surprised as well, but he started only 34 games and Matt Ryan 78.
 
2013-07-31 04:01:25 PM
go falcons

/not subby
 
2013-07-31 04:03:52 PM

degenerate-afro: Current members of the 20 million per year club

Drew "Super Bowl MVP" Brees
Joe "Super Bowl MVP" Flacco
Aaron "Super Bowl MVP" Rodgers
Matt "One and Done" Ryan

It's good that Matt Ryan had Julio Jones, Roddy White, and Tony Gonzalez to carry his ass to a payday.


I know right? Those other guys threw the ball to themselves, while blocking for themselves, kicking the extra point and then playing defense. They deserve the money.

The QBs I hate only wins because of his team. But the QBs I like, they win through sheer hard work, pluck, and grit by themselves. They have the will to win!
 
2013-07-31 04:07:33 PM

Di Atribe: xynix: /Romo sucks

No, he doesn't.


If Romo's receivers didn't drop so many passes, statistically he would be far better than his already awesome numbers.  Romo haters are pathetic.
 
2013-07-31 04:08:00 PM

Prevailing Wind: Di Atribe: P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"

I don't think Tom Brady's QB prowess was ever in question.

What's to doubt?

[static.foxsports.com image 280x300]


Yeah, what a disgusting uggo

i.imgur.com

/do a GIS for Tom Brady?
//don't mind if I do!
 
2013-07-31 04:08:17 PM

mikaloyd: js34603: Deal with it, Saints "fan"

Meanwhile in RoddyWhiteville


Brees got quite a tan this summer.
 
2013-07-31 04:09:18 PM

JohnnyRebel88: Di Atribe: xynix: /Romo sucks

No, he doesn't.

If Romo's receivers didn't drop so many passes, statistically he would be far better than his already awesome numbers.  Romo haters are pathetic.


Hm, I know how to add people to my favorites list, but how do you add heart stickers? I should send Drew some new suggestions.
 
2013-07-31 04:09:19 PM

P0e: MagicBus: Joe Flacco:

3 AFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl win
1 Super Bowl MVP
playoff win in each of his first five seasons
would have gone to a second Super Bowl if Lee Evans could catch

So far I'll take him over Matt Ryan's 1 [lucky] playoff win

Tom Brady (first 5 years, including year 1 when he didn't play):

3 AFC Championship Games
3 Super Bowl Wins
2 Super Bowl MVP's
2 Pro Bowls

I think we have a winner for "best first 5 years"



No question about that. But I picked Flacco since he and Ryan came into the NFL in the same draft, Ryan at #3 and Flacco at #18.

According to a story I heard, Ravens' owner Steve Bisciotti wanted to trade up and draft Matt Ryan; Ozzie Newsome told him they were going to draft Flacco, and that he believed Flacco was going to be the better player regardless of draft position.
 
2013-07-31 04:09:24 PM

JohnnyRebel88: If Romo's receivers didn't drop so many passes, statistically he would be far better than his already awesome numbers. Romo haters are pathetic.


TIL that only Cowboys receivers drop passes.
 
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