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2013-07-31 01:28:54 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake:

THE SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS WHO SUPPORTED JIM CROW STOPPED BEING DEMS AFTER IT PASSED.

Putting things in caps does not make it true.
The person who led the filibuster, Senator Russell, remained a Democrat Senator until he retired in 1971.

So why did Northern Democrats support the Civil Rights Act more than Northern Republicans?

/no one seem to be able to answer this question


That's because it's irrelevant to anything being discussed in this thread.
 
2013-07-31 01:29:36 PM

The Drawing Board: Why do you guys continue to feed a poster so up front about being here to bait and troll?


I wonder that too.  I guess some people just can't help it.

these assholes go away when you ignore them
 
2013-07-31 01:31:16 PM
I actually don't see a real problem if the rich are getting richer faster than the poor are getting not-poorer, in absolute numbers.

However, even the very poor should have the ability to get adequate food, shelter, medical care, and transportation, and the ability to send their children to college or job training.  If those needs can be met, the rich can have as many Porsches as they want.  Of course, currently, those needs often aren't being met.
 
2013-07-31 01:31:28 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake:

THE SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS WHO SUPPORTED JIM CROW STOPPED BEING DEMS AFTER IT PASSED.

Putting things in caps does not make it true.
The person who led the filibuster, Senator Russell, remained a Democrat Senator until he retired in 1971.


Well, that one guy sure sets the standard for everyone.  I never said it applied 100%.  Nothing ever does in politics.

Southern racists in general went to the GOP after the CRA.

Nixon counted on it (you dolt)
 
2013-07-31 01:31:58 PM

Aristocles: That's because it's irrelevant to anything being discussed in this thread.


True the fact that Northern Democrats were more supportive of the CRA than Northern Republicans is completely irrelevant when discussing the claim of how Republicans were more supportive of the CRA than Democrats.
 
2013-07-31 01:32:00 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?


Actual socialism.  Not what the GOP claims is "socialism".  That would be the best way to turn things around.
 
2013-07-31 01:32:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: SovietCanuckistan: tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?

Occupy Heavy Machinery:

If shiatheels like Rmoney and the rest of his elk are not paying their fair share, the OHM shows up with track hoes, dozers, etc. Rip up the street in front of their house so they have no pavement to drive on. Cut power lines, sewer, gas etc. Put up roadblocks at every bridge. No tax from you? NO BRIDGE FOR YOU! Want to fly off to Maui? Deny access to the airports. Need police? Too bad. House on fire? Too bad again. Make their lives as shiatty as possible to get across the point that NO, YOU DID NOT BUILD THAT, the collective works of society did. In the end, they could probably afford to build everything privately once we cut them off from the governments sweet teat. THEN they can biatch and moan all they want.

Okay, that is about what I expected from a liberal.
Romney and others are paying the share that the US Government has required. The government obviously determined that that is fair.   If you don't like that, go complain to the government, not Romney.


Dang it. And I got all my nipples greased for nothing.
 
2013-07-31 01:32:58 PM
I found the GOP game plan in this secret e-mail

Hey fellow GOP leaders here is what we will do.

Step 1) block EVERYTHING, choke the government off, filibuster all.

Step 2) Blame President for things he has tried to do that WE BLOCKED (closing Gitmo, widening income gap, women on his cabinet, returning drone strike powers, )

Step 3) Stand on the smoldering ash of what was America's economy and catch the rapture comet.
 
2013-07-31 01:33:13 PM

Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake:

THE SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS WHO SUPPORTED JIM CROW STOPPED BEING DEMS AFTER IT PASSED.

Putting things in caps does not make it true.
The person who led the filibuster, Senator Russell, remained a Democrat Senator until he retired in 1971.

Well, that one guy sure sets the standard for everyone.  I never said it applied 100%.  Nothing ever does in politics.

Southern racists in general went to the GOP after the CRA.

Nixon counted on it (you dolt)


And the GOP actually apologized for it in 2005.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR20 05 071302342.html
 
2013-07-31 01:34:12 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?

Change the import tariff system on goods manufactured overseas by American based companies. Make it cost more to bring in Made In China goods than it would be to manufacture them here, and adjust the tax structure to give the breaks to those companies that produce here.

Change the tax structure from the front loading system we have now (where through tax incentives we're essentially paying people before they do the work) and make them retroactive based upon performance. Allow for incentives for expansions and start ups for the first year only and make them relative to the number of US based workers you have. Make allowances for R&D as long as it's done in the US using American workers.

What stupid Conservatives have been buffaloed into forgetting is that economies grow from the middle out, not the top down. When working people have money to spend, and the security to spend it, it works. When business cuts jobs to save a few bucks, they're eliminating the pool of potential customers. Making the goods cheaper does not solve the problem. The manufacturing environment that sustained the middle class has been decimated so that the few at the top can benefit to the detriment of what was once the middle class. It didn't happen by accident, either. It was politically orchestrated, and both sides played their roles.

22 million jobs have gone in just a generation. They've been replaced by low wage McJobs while wealth inequality continues to increase. Conservative fellators of the rich would be better off reading about the French Revolution than Atlas Shrugged, because the former actually happened (and could happen again) while the other is a dystopian fairy tale.
 
2013-07-31 01:34:37 PM

Mrtraveler01: Aristocles: None of this has anything to do with the fact that the democrat party was the driving force behind Jim Crow laws.

Reality hurts doesn't it.

So why were Northern Democrats more supportive of the Civil Rights Act than Northern Republicans then?

/still waiting for my answer


How the fark would he know reality hurts, he's never been there.
 
2013-07-31 01:36:18 PM

Outrageous Muff: And this why the progressives fail at everything. They have their guy in there and they can't even produce healthcare legislation that is even progressive. Even the Green Party has gotten better results nationally.


The health care law that passed was the absolutely strongest that could have passed Congress at the time (keep in mind that the Democrats only had complete control of Congress for a period of a few months, between the time Franken was finally sworn in and when Kennedy died, and only by one vote).

Right now, the Republicans control the House, so they can and are blocking any further legislation, and are actively hurting the poor and employment levels by cutting government spending via the sequester and other means.

That is, blame Congress, which writes and passes laws, not the President, who only can sign (or veto) them and implement them after they have been passed.  American Constitution Law 101.
 
2013-07-31 01:36:32 PM

Tigger: Mrtraveler01: Aristocles: None of this has anything to do with the fact that the democrat party was the driving force behind Jim Crow laws.

Reality hurts doesn't it.

So why were Northern Democrats more supportive of the Civil Rights Act than Northern Republicans then?

/still waiting for my answer

How the fark would he know reality hurts, he's never been there.


Touche.
 
2013-07-31 01:40:35 PM
A "Capitalist" is someone who wants to get rich.

A "True Capitalist" is someone wise enough to want EVERYONE to be rich.

Oh, and as far as the "Southern Strategy" goes, if it didn't work, then WHY is all of the former Confederacy solid red Republican?
 
2013-07-31 01:41:46 PM

zappaisfrank: A "True Capitalist" is someone wise enough to want EVERYONE to be rich.


HAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-07-31 01:45:11 PM

Outrageous Muff: And this why the progressives fail at everything. They have their guy in there and they can't even produce healthcare legislation that is even progressive. Even the Green Party has gotten better results nationally.


When did you get the idea that Obama was a progressive? He campaigned on being a Republican from the 90's. Just because Rush and Fox label him as such, does not in fact make it true.
 
2013-07-31 01:45:14 PM
what is depressing for me is that if i made what i make today just a short 20 years ago, i would be in much much better shape. own a home, actually have some savings, etc.

Thanks Capitalism.

/I know, get a job ya lazy fark!
//I have a job!
 
2013-07-31 01:45:27 PM

FarkedOver: zappaisfrank: A "True Capitalist" is someone wise enough to want EVERYONE to be rich.

HAHAHAHAHA


Care to elaborate on why that comment is so "funny"?

A smart businessman knows that if people can't afford to buy his product, he's not going to be very successful, now is he?
 
2013-07-31 01:47:55 PM

Mrbogey: Obama: Trickle up works!


Mrbogey: I'll punch you in the face!
 
2013-07-31 01:49:41 PM

EyeballKid: Fart_Machine: Outrageous Muff: And this why the progressives fail at everything. They have their guy in there and they can't even produce healthcare legislation that is even progressive. Even the Green Party has gotten better results nationally.

Obama is a progressive?

Only the progressivest progressive to ever progressive a progressive!


Pfft, typical sheeple from the media.

He is clearly the most liberal lib that ever libbed a lib.
 
2013-07-31 01:49:51 PM

imontheinternet: tenpoundsofcheese: imontheinternet: tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?

Re-enact Glass-Steagall, appoint a Fed Chair who doesn't believe in endless liquidity to pump the stock market, bring back the PWA to rebuild infrastructure and create jobs and guarantee adequate funding for a set period (ideally 3-5 years), restructure the tax code by removing the vast majority of deductions while lowering the rates to a flatter but still progressive taxation scheme, start a special division of DHS with a mission to investigate and prosecute white collar criminals, create a federal usury law that caps credit card interest at a set number (maybe 15%), establish debt forgiveness programs for student loans based on public service

That's a start.

So how does that fix income inequality?
Create jobs?  You mean like all of those shovel ready jobs or the cash for clunkers?  That may improve unemployment but does nothing for income inequality.
Of course white collar crime should be prosecuted.
Capping interest?  Sure.  Just remember then that fewer people will qualify for credit cards, which may not be a bad thing.  But that does nothing for income inequality.
Forgiving student debt for work, sure.  But how does that increase their income?

Rehashing the OWS talking points is always fun since it keeps pointing out that none of that has anything to do with income inequality.

I'll ignore the fact that you're disregarding the inequality problem itself and focusing on a narrow definition of income.


I am just using the definition of income as it is used in discussions of income inequality.  If you want to make up different meanings, go ahead.  Just don't expect that anyone will know WTF you are saying.

How do controls on bankster abuses help the middle class gain footing?  People that get to save their money instead of using it to pay off interest on loans can invest it, generating wealth and income.

You haven't made any correlation between banker abuses and interest rates on loans to consumers.  Since they are market driven, fed driven rates, why is putting some bankers in jail (a good thing if they deserve it) going to make money available for Joe Consumer to invest?  How much would interest rates go down based on putting more bankers in jail?

If you think the income gap is bad, look at the wealth gap.

Are you trying to move goal posts now?


Stopping bankster abuses of the middle class and the system?  See previous answer

How do middle class jobs close the wealth gap?  I'm not dignifying that question with a response so I am going to move the goal posts instead.

 .

So you still have no plan or methods to change the income inequality. Okay.
 
2013-07-31 01:50:21 PM

The Drawing Board: Why do you guys continue to feed a poster so up front about being here to bait and troll?


Yeah, I just blocked him myself.

Pretty funny that the guy in the article is complaining about Obama not recovering the economy fast enough... from what, exactly? Oh, right, nevermind how the economy got tanked in the first place by deregulation and unfunded wars, just blame Obama for not "recovering" fast enough.

Brilliant!
 
2013-07-31 01:50:56 PM

zappaisfrank: A smart businessman knows that if people can't afford to buy his product, he's not going to be very successful, now is he?


A smart businessman/woman knows if everyone is getting to be as rich (or richer) as he/she is, he or she isn't going to have a reserve army of labor to pick from in order to operate their business and therefore would go out of business.

A smart business person understands they rely (leech) off of labor in order to profit.
 
2013-07-31 01:52:11 PM

Geotpf: tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake:

THE SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS WHO SUPPORTED JIM CROW STOPPED BEING DEMS AFTER IT PASSED.

Putting things in caps does not make it true.
The person who led the filibuster, Senator Russell, remained a Democrat Senator until he retired in 1971.

Yeah, but it's 2013 now, not 1971, nor 1964.  The Democratic Party of 1964, especially those in the South, is a much different beast than the Democratic Party of 2013.  You know it, I know it, stop being stupid.


Duh.  Of course things are different now.  But that doesn't change the past.  The Democrats were behind the Jim Crow laws and led the filibuster to stop the Civil Rights Act.
Bonus:  they also had a KKK member as Senator.
 
2013-07-31 01:52:46 PM

zappaisfrank: FarkedOver: zappaisfrank: A "True Capitalist" is someone wise enough to want EVERYONE to be rich.

HAHAHAHAHA

Care to elaborate on why that comment is so "funny"?

A smart businessman knows that if people can't afford to buy his product, he's not going to be very successful, now is he?


That really depends if he is thinking long run or short run.

Short run it makes perfect business sense to outsource all of your production as you can still take advantage of relatively "wealthy" Americans to buy your products.  In the long run that is a losing proposition and as history shows ends up with your head on a pike.

For me, what I'm most pissed off about is that although I'm far from the .1 or 1%, being a top 5%-er will mean that the schlubs will cut off my head as well.
 
2013-07-31 01:53:23 PM

FarkedOver: tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?

Actual socialism.  Not what the GOP claims is "socialism".  That would be the best way to turn things around.


Can you be specific?
I am curious as to how people think income inequality can be fixed since it has gotten worse under Obama.
 
2013-07-31 01:54:42 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Can you be specific?
I am curious as to how people think income inequality can be fixed since it has gotten worse under Obama.


Socialism, as in an actual socialist revolution, the aftermath being the dictatorship of the proletariat.
 
2013-07-31 01:55:54 PM

SovietCanuckistan: tenpoundsofcheese: SovietCanuckistan: tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?

Occupy Heavy Machinery:

If shiatheels like Rmoney and the rest of his elk are not paying their fair share, the OHM shows up with track hoes, dozers, etc. Rip up the street in front of their house so they have no pavement to drive on. Cut power lines, sewer, gas etc. Put up roadblocks at every bridge. No tax from you? NO BRIDGE FOR YOU! Want to fly off to Maui? Deny access to the airports. Need police? Too bad. House on fire? Too bad again. Make their lives as shiatty as possible to get across the point that NO, YOU DID NOT BUILD THAT, the collective works of society did. In the end, they could probably afford to build everything privately once we cut them off from the governments sweet teat. THEN they can biatch and moan all they want.

Okay, that is about what I expected from a liberal.
Romney and others are paying the share that the US Government has required. The government obviously determined that that is fair.   If you don't like that, go complain to the government, not Romney.

Dang it. And I got all my nipples greased for nothing.


okay.  I am struggling a little bit with what that means and have some odd images in my head...stepping away slowly...
 
2013-07-31 01:58:00 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Why is it right to criticize Romney for paying his taxes? If you don't like what he paid then the anger should be directed at the government, not Romney.

True. But the thing that got me is that even though the tax code already favors him, Romney was upset that it didn't favor him enough.


That's fair.  Although I don't know that Romney was upset as much as he thought a change in the tax code would be a good thing for the country.  He doesn't strike me as the guy who feels he needs another $50M on top of what he has.  He would have stayed with Bain if that were the case.
 
2013-07-31 01:58:18 PM

FarkedOver: zappaisfrank: A smart businessman knows that if people can't afford to buy his product, he's not going to be very successful, now is he?

A smart businessman/woman knows if everyone is getting to be as rich (or richer) as he/she is, he or she isn't going to have a reserve army of labor to pick from in order to operate their business and therefore would go out of business.

A smart business person understands they rely (leech) off of labor in order to profit.


You are assigning a different meaning to "rich" than what I intended and I think you know it.

Of course, a capitalist society is going to have income strata. But as I stated earlier, economies thrive when working class people have money to spend and the security to spend it. That was why early industrial pioneers like Henry Ford paid his people well...so they could buy one of the cars they manufactured! If people are living comfortably, they will spend their money and everyone will thrive.

Jobs and professions are intertwined. Very few businesses do not rely on some other end, or ends, of the economic food chain to succeed. Start removing components and the whole machine falls apart. It sounds as though you advocate the exploitation rather than the empowerment of working class people. How fascist of you.
 
2013-07-31 01:58:34 PM

EyeballKid: Fart_Machine: Outrageous Muff: And this why the progressives fail at everything. They have their guy in there and they can't even produce healthcare legislation that is even progressive. Even the Green Party has gotten better results nationally.

Obama is a progressive?

Only the progressivest progressive to ever progressive a progressive!


I suddenly want to buy car insurance.
 
2013-07-31 01:59:24 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Mrbogey: Obama: Trickle up works!

wat


No kidding...Mrbogey actually said something rational and fact based. I almost fell out of my chair!
 
2013-07-31 01:59:35 PM

FarkedOver: tenpoundsofcheese: Can you be specific?
I am curious as to how people think income inequality can be fixed since it has gotten worse under Obama.

Socialism, as in an actual socialist revolution, the aftermath being the dictatorship of the proletariat.


Has that worked anywhere to fix income inequality?
Which country is the closest to that model?
 
2013-07-31 01:59:42 PM

FarkedOver: tenpoundsofcheese: Can you be specific?
I am curious as to how people think income inequality can be fixed since it has gotten worse under Obama.

Socialism, as in an actual socialist revolution, the aftermath being the dictatorship of the proletariat.


Cite one example of this being attempted that hasn't led to despotism, destitution and despair.
 
2013-07-31 02:00:51 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: since it has gotten worse under Obama.


and it will continue to get worse regardless of who is President, or did you think this is something new & that President Obama created the income gap?
 
2013-07-31 02:03:00 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: pdee: To all who are calling for higher taxes on the rich do you realize that will do nothing in regards to income inequity?

If the CEO make 10 million and the janitor make 16k it does not matter what rate you tax the CEO he still makes 10 million.

No, most liberals here don't understand that.

The other liberals believe that the government should step in and just give take $5M from the CEO and give it to that janitor.


As I see it, "liberals" think that if you get more tax money (i.e., "tax the rich"), you can pay for more government--including government jobs (JOBS!!!!), which we're currently finding less of in today's employment market.  Problem with more government jobs is you have to give them something to do, which means more bureaucracy in some shape or form.  :/

With that having been said, there are some "government" jobs I find of more importance (teachers, researchers, etc) than others (bureaucrats, etc).

My two cents.
 
2013-07-31 02:03:15 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: So you still have no plan or methods to change the income inequality. Okay.


An unfair system generates unequal outcomes, income being one among many.  Leveling the field not only increases the position of the middle and lower classes, it puts an end to the ill-gotten gains of the upper classes.  Inequality happens when the few at the top prosper on the backs of the people beneath them and hoard the benefits for themselves.  Stopping banksters from making criminal profits at the expense of the economy as a whole closes the gap both from the top and from the bottom.

I don't know why I keep expecting actual responses from trolls.
 
2013-07-31 02:04:00 PM

zappaisfrank: It sounds as though you advocate the exploitation rather than the empowerment of working class people. How fascist of you


By recognizing what the capitalist system does, this does not make me fascist.  Fascism is but a capitalist reaction to the proletariat asserting themselves and advocating change.

You sir, I would call the fascist and not I.  I say this because of your admiration and for promoting the works and legacy of noted fascist sympathizer and anti-Semite Henry Ford.
 
2013-07-31 02:04:40 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Isitoveryet: Capitalism works for everyone who is willing to accept their role in it & Capitalism never said income equality was one of its goals.

Everything works until it doesn't.

This is not just about wealth hoarding, it's about influence and opportunity hoarding.


And that's the issue.

Inequality of outcomes (the income gap) isn't the problem - if someone has the talent and drive to make money, then so be it.

The problem is inequality of opportunity. A child born with the raw ability and drive to do something valuable shouldn't fail merely because he had the misfortune of being conceived by poor parents.

The US is slipping behind other countries in terms of economic mobility. That's a big problem, runs directly counter to our core values ("land of opportunity" and all that), and is in the long term very bad for the nation as a whole.
 
2013-07-31 02:04:53 PM
In Obama's defense, the Middle and Lower Class were already at or below 0 before he took office. Any percent growth that the weahy have seen were it given to the lower classes still ends up with 0.

It doesn't help with all of the chucklehead GEDs in Business (and degreed Chicago school economics MBAs) out there who failed kindergarten math but think they understand business operation costs who fight for increased profits/share values and the expense of the middle and lower class.
 
2013-07-31 02:05:06 PM

Aristocles: Cite one example of this being attempted that hasn't led to despotism, destitution and despair.


I will give you two: The Paris Commune and Spain prior to Franco. Both of which were met with capitalist backlash, but thrived while in existence.
 
2013-07-31 02:07:02 PM

Isitoveryet: tenpoundsofcheese: since it has gotten worse under Obama.

and it will continue to get worse regardless of who is President, or did you think this is something new & that President Obama created the income gap?


No.  It got really bad under Clinton.  People didn't mind as much then since the economy was doing well with lower unemployment.   People focused more then on what they had rather than whine that someone else has more (hello entitled OWS crowd).  As unemployment, underemployment and people quitting the workforce, this entitled generation has totally shifted away from job creation and wage improvement to "he has more, that ain't fair).
 
2013-07-31 02:09:13 PM

Bloody William: tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?

Raise the minimum wage, heavily enforced regulations on using unregistered immigrants including fines and prosecution that would make it unfeasible, severely punish companies that hours-shave to avoid giving benefits to employees, and directly incentivize using labor on creating jobs instead of blindly offering economic incentives to shift wealth around and build it up without hiring people.

Make it worthwhile to hire new workers at middle-class rates, and make it untenable to cheat or abuse workers with shiat wages, no benefits, and unreasonable demands.


Before I say what I'm thinking about raising the minimum wage, let me add a disclaimer that I can see what I'm about to suggest being abused in some shape or form.  And that suggestion is:  a tiered waiver program for small businesses who would otherwise go out of business if they had to pay their employees more.  I.e., a sole proprietor who has a little used book shop that hires someone to man the register a couple days per week.  Or a local landscaping company.  Of course, the OTHER option would be to reduce business tax rates for these smaller businesses* (much like we have a progressive tax rate for income) AND a uniform, increased minimum wage.  Then, any business should be able to handle the increased minimum wage.

*which we may already have, and is probably dependent on what state you're in. IANATE.
 
2013-07-31 02:09:41 PM

FarkedOver: zappaisfrank: A smart businessman knows that if people can't afford to buy his product, he's not going to be very successful, now is he?

A smart businessman/woman knows if everyone is getting to be as rich (or richer) as he/she is, he or she isn't going to have a reserve army of labor to pick from in order to operate their business and therefore would go out of business.

A smart business person understands they rely (leech) off of labor in order to profit.


A smart business person knows you can fleece a sheep many times, but only kill and eat it once.  One can rely on labor without oppressing them.  While any capitalist should want a bigger slice of the pie, it doesn't have to be a zero sum game if you make the pie bigger.

/mmm
/shepherd's pie
 
2013-07-31 02:13:02 PM

nocturnal001: zappaisfrank: FarkedOver: zappaisfrank: A "True Capitalist" is someone wise enough to want EVERYONE to be rich.

HAHAHAHAHA

Care to elaborate on why that comment is so "funny"?

A smart businessman knows that if people can't afford to buy his product, he's not going to be very successful, now is he?

That really depends if he is thinking long run or short run.

Short run it makes perfect business sense to outsource all of your production as you can still take advantage of relatively "wealthy" Americans to buy your products.  In the long run that is a losing proposition and as history shows ends up with your head on a pike.


The farm belt Eisenhower Presbyterian Republican in my DNA says that long term growth ultimately is the better choice. The window of opportunity with the relatively 'wealthy" Americans you reference is dwindling. My brother is a construction contractor, and the only calls he's getting for home improvement work are from retirees who made their nest eggs back when there were actual decent paying jobs. The only calls he gets from the under 40's are insurance estimates, and even then there's no guarantee the homeowners will even follow through on the needed repairs.
 
2013-07-31 02:13:04 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: You say "Obama" but all I can think is "Boehner's Congress."



Bingo. It is shocking to argue with the average American and suddenly realise that they don't have a farking clue about who actually writes the laws in this country.
 
2013-07-31 02:13:12 PM

palelizard: A smart business person knows you can fleece a sheep many times, but only kill and eat it once. One can rely on labor without oppressing them. While any capitalist should want a bigger slice of the pie, it doesn't have to be a zero sum game if you make the pie bigger.

/mmm
/shepherd's pie


A smart business person knows that there are virtually and infinite amount of sheep, so this point really doesn't matter.
 
2013-07-31 02:13:32 PM

FarkedOver: Aristocles: Cite one example of this being attempted that hasn't led to despotism, destitution and despair.

I will give you two: The Paris Commune and Spain prior to Franco. Both of which were met with capitalist backlash, but thrived while in existence.


So, one of your examples lasted all of 3 months, the other ended in despotism. Not a roaring endorsement.
 
2013-07-31 02:13:38 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Isitoveryet: tenpoundsofcheese: since it has gotten worse under Obama.

and it will continue to get worse regardless of who is President, or did you think this is something new & that President Obama created the income gap?

No.  It got really bad under Clinton.  People didn't mind as much then since the economy was doing well with lower unemployment.   People focused more then on what they had rather than whine that someone else has more (hello entitled OWS crowd).  As unemployment, underemployment and people quitting the workforce, this entitled generation has totally shifted away from job creation and wage improvement to "he has more, that ain't fair).


everything you mention is a reactionary response, a reaction to the economy. You make it sound like people made a concerted decision to be where our economy put them & that has got to be the most appalling idea you have put forth. I know some people like to blame the poor people of our country while neglecting the lawmakers policy makers & the social elite who actually write legislation & enact laws (usually to benefit themselves).
entitled generation? to whom are you referring?
 
2013-07-31 02:13:59 PM

imontheinternet: tenpoundsofcheese: So you still have no plan or methods to change the income inequality. Okay.

An unfair system generates unequal outcomes, income being one among many.

Leveling the field not only increases the position of the middle and lower classes, it puts an end to the ill-gotten gains of the upper classes.


How do you propose leveling the field?  What exactly would you do and what would this level field look like?


Inequality happens when the few at the top prosper on the backs of the people beneath them and hoard the benefits for themselves.

So again, I ask you.  What would you do?  Anti-hording laws?  Aren't those people getting paid?  Can't they decide not to do the work if they don't like that someone is benefiting from their labor?

Stopping banksters from making criminal profits at the expense of the economy as a whole closes the gap both from the top and from the bottom.

Meh.  Criminal activities should be punished.

I am not sure what you mean by criminal profits.  Are you proposing regulating profits?  Where exactly do you think those profits go (protip:  profit is money left over after everyone has been paid) and who benefits from them (protip:  think mutual funds, 401k investments, pensions, unions, teachers)

I don't know why I keep expecting actual responses from trolls.

I am not a troll.  But I am giving you actual responses and yet you still can explain how you would fix income inequality.  I asked you specific questions above, let's see what you reply with.
 
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