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(Investors Business Daily)   The income gap between poor and rich in the United States has grown more dramatically under President Obama than Bush or Clinton. This guy is a lousy socialist   (news.investors.com) divider line 341
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2013-07-31 12:36:33 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: We should kill them all and take their things.


We should.  Let's start with Rupert Murdock and the Kochs.
 
2013-07-31 12:36:33 PM
Remember when talking about income inequality was class warfare?
 
2013-07-31 12:37:34 PM

FlashHarry: so this week, obama is a plutocrat tool of wall street! (last week he was the libbiest lib who ever libbed!)


If you look closely you will see he is black and so it really does not matter what side he supports, he is wrong.
 
2013-07-31 12:38:29 PM

Aristocles: "income gap"

The only people who give a shait about an "income gap" are haters and Farklibs. As long as the poor now are better off than they've been in the past, why complain? Answer: jealousy.


You should take some steroids while you poop.

Because your shiat's WEAK, SON!
 
2013-07-31 12:39:39 PM
To all who are calling for higher taxes on the rich do you realize that will do nothing in regards to income inequity?

If the CEO make 10 million and the janitor make 16k it does not matter what rate you tax the CEO he still makes 10 million.
 
2013-07-31 12:40:08 PM

AeAe: Obama's Reptiloid Master: We should kill them all and take their things.

We should.  Let's start with Rupert Murdock and the Kochs.


That is the worst band name I have ever heard.
 
2013-07-31 12:40:48 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: I_C_Weener: We should elect him again.

I'm hoping for someone to his left.


Elizabeth Warren
 
2013-07-31 12:41:05 PM
Don't hate the playa, Farklibs, hate the game.
 
2013-07-31 12:41:23 PM

Triple Oak: AeAe: Obama's Reptiloid Master: We should kill them all and take their things.

We should.  Let's start with Rupert Murdock and the Kochs.

That is the worst band name I have ever heard.


Oh, and the Waltons.
 
2013-07-31 12:41:52 PM
The answer to my question has been revealed: what would it have been like if Carter got a second term?
 
2013-07-31 12:42:29 PM

Aristocles: Don't hate the playa, Farklibs

Farklibulardos, hate the game.

/Fixed that for you.  I know that's what you really meant.
 
2013-07-31 12:43:15 PM

FarkedOver: Aristocles: Don't hate the playa, Farklibs Farklibulardos, hate the game.

/Fixed that for you.  I know that's what you really meant.


Hell no, that's not what I meant! I don't speak Mexican!
 
2013-07-31 12:43:25 PM

Lionel Mandrake: coeyagi: Aristocles: "income gap"

The only people who give a shait about an "income gap" are haters and Farklibs. As long as the poor now are better off than they've been in the past, why complain? Answer: jealousy.

0.0000000000000000000000001/10

You are far too generous


So do you think that the poor are worse off than they were 30 years ago?  That there has been no progress or even worse, a decline, since then?

Or are you two just having your sad face because the poor aren't as rich as the 1%?
 
2013-07-31 12:43:46 PM

Bloody William: Aristocles: "income gap"

The only people who give a shait about an "income gap" are haters and Farklibs. As long as the poor now are better off than they've been in the past, why complain? Answer: jealousy.

You should take some steroids while you poop.

Because your shiat's WEAK, SON!


I larfed.
 
2013-07-31 12:44:28 PM
Capitalism works for everyone who is willing to accept their role in it & Capitalism never said income equality was one of its goals.
 
2013-07-31 12:46:34 PM

AeAe: Dusk-You-n-Me: I_C_Weener: We should elect him again.

I'm hoping for someone to his left.

Elizabeth Warren


Left of Obama? Hell, Bob Dole qualifies!
 
2013-07-31 12:47:18 PM

pdee: To all who are calling for higher taxes on the rich do you realize that will do nothing in regards to income inequity?

If the CEO make 10 million and the janitor make 16k it does not matter what rate you tax the CEO he still makes 10 million.


No, most liberals here don't understand that.

The other liberals believe that the government should step in and just give take $5M from the CEO and give it to that janitor.
 
2013-07-31 12:47:22 PM
When are the Democrats finally going fix all the problems that Republicans don't care about?
 
2013-07-31 12:48:06 PM

netweavr: And yet the poor in the United States still own smart phones and get free food/housing. The truly impoverished in the States are so far below the poverty line that they could reasonably be removed from these studies as statistical outliers.


No, they don't. You're lying.
 
2013-07-31 12:48:08 PM
I'm quite sure the gap between Rich and Poor also widened significantly under Communism as well.


//Just trolling through here, sorry for the mess.
 
2013-07-31 12:49:04 PM

Isitoveryet: Capitalism works for everyone who is willing to accept their role in it & Capitalism never said income equality was one of its goals.


This is true, however, Capitalism will make everyone more prosperous. There's really no need to peek into someone else's bank account.
 
2013-07-31 12:50:12 PM
Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?
 
2013-07-31 12:50:25 PM

pdee: To all who are calling for higher taxes on the rich do you realize that will do nothing in regards to income inequity?

If the CEO make 10 million and the janitor make 16k it does not matter what rate you tax the CEO he still makes 10 million.


epic
 
2013-07-31 12:51:28 PM

AeAe: Elizabeth Warren


I'd be first in line to vote for her.
 
2013-07-31 12:52:22 PM

pdee: To all who are calling for higher taxes on the rich do you realize that will do nothing in regards to income inequity?

If the CEO make 10 million and the janitor make 16k it does not matter what rate you tax the CEO he still makes 10 million.


Furnishing a healthy society (good roads & bridges, clean water, reliable energy grid, affordable food & housing, great education at all levels, strong and uncorrupt military and police protection, and on and on) doesn't come cheap for a country of our size. We need money for those things, and the rich have it--more than their fair share, which is kind of the main problem of wealth disparity.  Since they rely much more (overall) on all of the above things to run their businesses, transport their goods, protect their stuff at home & abroad, they should pay much more back into the pot.  The point of raising taxes on the rich isn't to increase wages for the poor, but to decrease the disproportionate share of the tax burden that the poor have shouldered since the Reagan Revolution.  It's not the only thing that needs to be done, but it's one of the first things that needs to be done.
 
2013-07-31 12:52:47 PM

Isitoveryet: Capitalism works for everyone who is willing to accept their role in it & Capitalism never said income equality was one of its goals.


No. Capitalism does not make any guarantees about anyone's success. It *can* work for everyone, but doesn't necessarily, no matter how hard they work at it.
 
2013-07-31 12:52:58 PM

Outrageous Muff: tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks Obama

This is not the change we were hoping for.

 the change you were hoping for was a return to Jim Crow and lynchings.


Nope.  Although the Democrats were the driving force for the Jim Crow laws I never expected nor wanted that Obama would continue with that Democratic tradition.
Did you think Obama actually campaigned on that?  You are wrong and demented.
 
2013-07-31 12:55:24 PM

Teiritzamna: Its almost as if the power to make law is vested in another branch of government.  A branch that has shown its inability and unwillingness to actually do anything . . .


So I'm sure you let everyone here know the the economic collapse we suffered through right before Obama took office was also that branch's fault.

No it was W's fault and his alone?

It's like religious people.  500 people die in a fire and 1 survives unharmed and its time to thank God for saving the 1.
 
2013-07-31 12:55:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Although the Democrats were the driving force for the Jim Crow laws I never expected nor wanted that Obama would continue with that Democratic tradition.


You mean the Democrats that became Republicans in the 1960's?

No you're right, all the strongholds the Democrats had in the South turn into Republican strongholds roughly around the same time the Civil Rights Act was passed was just a coincidence.
 
2013-07-31 12:56:01 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?


Raise the minimum wage, heavily enforced regulations on using unregistered immigrants including fines and prosecution that would make it unfeasible, severely punish companies that hours-shave to avoid giving benefits to employees, and directly incentivize using labor on creating jobs instead of blindly offering economic incentives to shift wealth around and build it up without hiring people.

Make it worthwhile to hire new workers at middle-class rates, and make it untenable to cheat or abuse workers with shiat wages, no benefits, and unreasonable demands.
 
2013-07-31 12:56:51 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Although the Democrats were the driving force for the Jim Crow laws I never expected nor wanted that Obama would continue with that Democratic tradition.

You mean the Democrats that became Republicans in the 1960's?


The KKK guy the Democrats elected and kept in office was a Republican?  No, you are wrong again.
 
2013-07-31 12:57:27 PM
Directly incentivize using capital on creating jobs, not labor. Provide benefits, subsidies, credits, etc. tied directly to people employed under full-time conditions.
 
2013-07-31 12:58:19 PM

Isitoveryet: Capitalism works for everyone who is willing to accept their role in it


Role in it? WTF does that even mean?
 
2013-07-31 12:58:25 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Although the Democrats were the driving force for the Jim Crow laws I never expected nor wanted that Obama would continue with that Democratic tradition.

You mean the Democrats that became Republicans in the 1960's?

The KKK guy the Democrats elected and kept in office was a Republican?  No, you are wrong again.


So why did the South turn from a Democrat stronghold into a Republican stronghold in the 1960's then?
 
2013-07-31 12:58:34 PM
Isn't this one of the things that they spent the first 8 year of this century trying to convince us that the President had no direct control over, right alongside oil prices?

Or was I supposed to destroy those memos after a Democrat got into the WH?
 
2013-07-31 12:59:07 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: We should kill them all and take their things.


I thought we were already doing that.

Wait, you are talking about poor people, right?
 
2013-07-31 12:59:09 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?


Why do you think that's an important aspect of the question? That Obama has made income inequality worse, I mean.

If President Obama was a liberal or had promoted liberal policies, you might have a point.  But, aside from a mildly liberal approach to gay rights, the president's policies have been consistently moderately conservative.
 
2013-07-31 12:59:13 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: AeAe: Elizabeth Warren

I'd be first in line to vote for her.


Absolutely.  I would volunteer for her campaign.
 
2013-07-31 12:59:38 PM

Isitoveryet: Capitalism works for everyone who is willing to accept their role in it & Capitalism never said income equality was one of its goals.


Everything works until it doesn't.

This is not just about wealth hoarding, it's about influence and opportunity hoarding.

Capitalism never said oligarchic plutocracy was one of its goals.

But it did strongly imply it.
 
2013-07-31 12:59:50 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Although the Democrats were the driving force for the Jim Crow laws I never expected nor wanted that Obama would continue with that Democratic tradition.

You mean the Democrats that became Republicans in the 1960's?

No you're right, all the strongholds the Democrats had in the South turn into Republican strongholds roughly around the same time the Civil Rights Act was passed was just a coincidence.


Republicans were the driving force behind the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Why would the dirty, racist democrat party members become Republicans in order to pass the Civil Rights Act?

You're not making sense.
 
2013-07-31 01:00:21 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?


Occupy Heavy Machinery:

If shiatheels like Rmoney and the rest of his elk are not paying their fair share, the OHM shows up with track hoes, dozers, etc. Rip up the street in front of their house so they have no pavement to drive on. Cut power lines, sewer, gas etc. Put up roadblocks at every bridge. No tax from you? NO BRIDGE FOR YOU! Want to fly off to Maui? Deny access to the airports. Need police? Too bad. House on fire? Too bad again. Make their lives as shiatty as possible to get across the point that NO, YOU DID NOT BUILD THAT, the collective works of society did. In the end, they could probably afford to build everything privately once we cut them off from the governments sweet teat. THEN they can biatch and moan all they want.
 
2013-07-31 01:00:42 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Although the Democrats were the driving force for the Jim Crow laws I never expected nor wanted that Obama would continue with that Democratic tradition.

You mean the Democrats that became Republicans in the 1960's?

No you're right, all the strongholds the Democrats had in the South turn into Republican strongholds roughly around the same time the Civil Rights Act was passed was just a coincidence.


The people who led the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act, including a former candidate for President  in TWO Democratic conventions was a Republican?  Really?

Dude, stop trying to re-write history.  Fletch isn't going to happen.
 
2013-07-31 01:01:16 PM

Just to put the retarded "Democrats were the party of Jim Crow" nonsense to a rest.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Vote_totals



Vote totals

Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:

The original House version: 290-130 (69-31%).
Cloture in the Senate: 71-29 (71-29%).
The Senate version: 73-27 (73-27%).
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70-30%).

By party

The original House version:[16]

Democratic Party: 152-96 (61-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80-20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[17]

Democratic Party: 44-23 (66-34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82-18%)

The Senate version:[16]

Democratic Party: 46-21 (69-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[16]

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80-20%)

By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0-100%)

Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85-15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5-95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0-100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98-2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84-16%)


So you found the one Democrat that was against the Civil Rights Act. Good jerb.
 
2013-07-31 01:01:18 PM
Let's stop pretending we can compare today's Democrats and Republicans with those of the past.
 
2013-07-31 01:01:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the level and definition of poverty), what is your solution?


Here it is:

AeAe: Obama's Reptiloid Master: We should kill them all and take their things.

We should.  Let's start with Rupert Murdock and the Kochs.

 
2013-07-31 01:01:45 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?


Re-enact Glass-Steagall, appoint a Fed Chair who doesn't believe in endless liquidity to pump the stock market, bring back the PWA to rebuild infrastructure and create jobs and guarantee adequate funding for a set period (ideally 3-5 years), restructure the tax code by removing the vast majority of deductions while lowering the rates to a flatter but still progressive taxation scheme, start a special division of DHS with a mission to investigate and prosecute white collar criminals, create a federal usury law that caps credit card interest at a set number (maybe 15%), establish debt forgiveness programs for student loans based on public service

That's a start.
 
2013-07-31 01:02:08 PM

Isitoveryet: Capitalism works for everyone who is willing to accept their role in it & Capitalism never said income equality was one of its goals.


Earth's oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere works for everyone who is willing to accept their role in it too.

"Willing to accept their role" has no meaning here.  Capitalism is completely unavoidable, which means it isn't opt-in.  What is an option is to change the nature of capitalism as it's practiced here, an action that is opt-in and which capitalism's primary beneficiaries will fight to the (literally) bloody end to resist.

/Not sure what to think of someone who would so casually wave away the free will of most people on the planet in favor of accepting a role in a system they didn't design, don't thrive under, and have no say in.  Capitalism is not supposed to be a religion; it's just an economic system.
 
2013-07-31 01:02:28 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: And this surprised who, exactly?
Obama is no friend of the American people. But he loves his banker and hedge and Fed buddies.

If it's not illegal, it's OK.
Never forget that.


He's a bought and paid for tool, owned by the right wing intelligence agencies of the USA and Israel, like all of our leaders. What the fark do people really think they're using all of that surveillance for? J Edgar Hoover 101.
 
2013-07-31 01:02:56 PM

imontheinternet: tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?

Re-enact Glass-Steagall, appoint a Fed Chair who doesn't believe in endless liquidity to pump the stock market, bring back the PWA to rebuild infrastructure and create jobs and guarantee adequate funding for a set period (ideally 3-5 years), restructure the tax code by removing the vast majority of deductions while lowering the rates to a flatter but still progressive taxation scheme, start a special division of DHS with a mission to investigate and prosecute white collar criminals, create a federal usury law that caps credit card interest at a set number (maybe 15%), establish debt forgiveness programs for student loans based on public service

That's a start.


Watch him ignore them, then ask in the next thread "Okay, liberals, what is your solution?"
 
2013-07-31 01:03:03 PM

SovietCanuckistan: tenpoundsofcheese: Okay liberals, since Obama has made income inequality worse, and since income inequality is so bad (vs. the tevel and definition of poverty), what is your solution?

Occupy Heavy Machinery:

If shiatheels like Rmoney and the rest of his elk are not paying their fair share, the OHM shows up with track hoes, dozers, etc. Rip up the street in front of their house so they have no pavement to drive on. Cut power lines, sewer, gas etc. Put up roadblocks at every bridge. No tax from you? NO BRIDGE FOR YOU! Want to fly off to Maui? Deny access to the airports. Need police? Too bad. House on fire? Too bad again. Make their lives as shiatty as possible to get across the point that NO, YOU DID NOT BUILD THAT, the collective works of society did. In the end, they could probably afford to build everything privately once we cut them off from the governments sweet teat. THEN they can biatch and moan all they want.


Okay, that is about what I expected from a liberal.
Romney and others are paying the share that the US Government has required. The government obviously determined that that is fair.   If you don't like that, go complain to the government, not Romney.
 
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