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2013-07-31 11:20:52 AM
ITT:
edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com
 
2013-07-31 11:36:06 AM
Oh Jeebus Mahoney.
Watch it cool down.
Watch the dinosaurs come and go.
Watch the trilobites live and die.
Fish, they walk on land!
 
2013-07-31 11:55:20 AM
This might be a problem save for the fact that ice flows like wine out of space, so really all we have to do is wait for the next delivery. Hopefully it will land the same place as the last lot, at our barely useful poles, and we can get on with the business of being mean to each other and stop worrying about melting oceans or sunshine gases.
 
2013-07-31 12:02:30 PM
ITS NOT REAL!
 
2013-07-31 12:03:41 PM

Prevailing Wind: ITS NOT REAL!


No, it looks like a real embedded Youtube video to me...
 
2013-07-31 12:09:34 PM
Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.
 
2013-07-31 12:10:00 PM
Yikes.
 
2013-07-31 12:14:09 PM
Thanks obama
 
2013-07-31 12:16:41 PM

jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.


But I'm doing all this already. So now what?
 
2013-07-31 12:16:55 PM
Meanwhile, at Koch Brothers HQ:

INTERN (Looking puzzled in front of computer monitor, shouts down hallway) "HEY, I FORGET...ARE WE STILL SAYING GW IS NOT HAPPENING OR ARE WE DOUBLING-DOWN ON 'IT'S NOT CAUSED BY MAN?'"
 
2013-07-31 12:17:34 PM

jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.


I was going to rate this funny, then I realized you were serious.
 
2013-07-31 12:21:32 PM

Havokmon: jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.

I was going to rate this funny, then I realized you were serious.


Right? I was genuinely uncertain whether troll or serial.
 
2013-07-31 12:23:12 PM
Are we dead yet?
 
2013-07-31 12:23:27 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.

But I'm doing all this already. So now what?


You will need to purchase a prius.
 
2013-07-31 12:24:25 PM

jfivealive: ThatBillmanGuy: jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.

But I'm doing all this already. So now what?

You will need to purchase a prius.


And get gay married
 
2013-07-31 12:31:14 PM
This also cleverly illustrates the spread of herp and also derp since the invention of money.
 
2013-07-31 12:35:18 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: jfivealive: ThatBillmanGuy: jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.

But I'm doing all this already. So now what?

You will need to purchase a prius.

And get gay married


Ah, so driving a Saturn and being an atheist is what I'm doing wrong!
 
2013-07-31 12:56:08 PM
This seems awfully familiar.
 
2013-07-31 01:03:41 PM

jfivealive: ThatBillmanGuy: jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.

But I'm doing all this already. So now what?

You will need to purchase a prius.


You do that. Then I'll tape your buttcheeks shut with the COEXIST bumper sticker that I pulled off of your Prius I just shoved up your ass.
 
2013-07-31 01:11:36 PM

Pinner: jfivealive: ThatBillmanGuy: jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.

But I'm doing all this already. So now what?

You will need to purchase a prius.

You do that. Then I'll tape your buttcheeks shut with the COEXIST bumper sticker that I pulled off of your Prius I just shoved up your ass.


You're Welcome
 
2013-07-31 01:25:22 PM
love science fiction... but with their budget couldn't they have produced a more believable threat?
 
2013-07-31 01:30:37 PM
The problem isn't anthrocentric, at least so far as industrial processes and fossil fuel consumption. It is anthrocentric in that there are a lot more people who need industrial processes and fossil fuels to work and live.  A world population of ~1.5 billion grew to ~7 billion.  That leaves a mark.  Mortality from two world wars and a flu pandemic barely even made a blip.

So how many people are you willing to pasturalize/starve/exterminate to get those 2 - 4 degrees C back?
 
2013-07-31 01:35:49 PM
You can see where they started putting the thermometers on airport tarmacs and other concrete surfaces.
 
2013-07-31 01:51:37 PM
What temperature is the earth supposed to be?

There was no instruction manual in the box.
 
2013-07-31 01:52:57 PM

jfivealive: Pinner: jfivealive: ThatBillmanGuy: jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.

But I'm doing all this already. So now what?

You will need to purchase a prius.

You do that. Then I'll tape your buttcheeks shut with the COEXIST bumper sticker that I pulled off of your Prius I just shoved up your ass.

You're Welcome


 I just thought of that the other day and wanted a reason to say it. No offense, just trying it out. Saw a Prius with about 10 greenie, save the planet bumper stickers on it and threw up in my mouth a little.
 
2013-07-31 02:22:31 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: The problem isn't anthrocentric, at least so far as industrial processes and fossil fuel consumption. It is anthrocentric in that there are a lot more people who need industrial processes and fossil fuels to work and live.  A world population of ~1.5 billion grew to ~7 billion.  That leaves a mark.  Mortality from two world wars and a flu pandemic barely even made a blip.

So how many people are you willing to pasturalize/starve/exterminate to get those 2 - 4 degrees C back?


Solar panels, wind farms and nukes don't starve people, AFAIK.
 
2013-07-31 02:27:53 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: So how many people are you willing to pasturalize/starve/exterminate to get those 2 - 4 degrees C back?


None and nobody is suggesting that anyone be killed. In fact, it is not about getting 2-4 degrees back. It is about doing anything reasonable to reduce how bad it gets and how fast it goes bad.

The claims of "economy destroying measures" and "pasturalize/starve/exterminate" are denier strawmen.

Even a slight reduction in the knee-jerk condemnation of every single green technology would be nice. Look in every EV thread ... there are hundreds of posts that are effectively "I won't be able to drive across the country on a single charge!". Huge outrage as if Obama is going to personally drive over to their house, crush their gas powered cars and force them to buy an expensive EV.

The passion deniers put out to defeat any effort to reduce pollution is ridiculous.
 
2013-07-31 02:42:57 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights offStop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.

But I'm doing all this already. So now what?


I`ve been doing this for decades now whilst at the same time being critical of the methods used in the IPCC reports and climate science in general especially the exaggeration and scaremongering. I use the same water yearly as an average person in the third world, my electric usage is mostly covered by a couple of solar panels, hell half the year I cook on wood that is locally sourced. There isn`t much more that it is possible to do and if I put my lifestyle into a carbon calculator is still says I am going to kill the world. I tried one recently and just to test it I selected every single low carbon option, said I didn`t drive a car, didn`t use any devices and ran my electric completely solar and it STILL told me I needed to reduce my footprint.

THIS calculator for example in a major UK newspaper. If you select every low carbon option at the lowest possible level, even veganism then your carbon footprint is still 4.21T. The goal for 2050 is 3T which is simply scaremongering to have a calculator where it is not possible to have a sensible footprint. "Oh no! We can`t do enough! We are doomed!" seems to be what they would have you think.

J. Frank Parnell: You can see where they started putting the thermometers on airport tarmacs and other concrete surfaces.


Would that be around 1998? That doesn`t bother me at all. Eventually either they become really obvious that they are doing that or the temperatures will not rise anymore because they run out of ways to `adjust` the raw data. It`s a non problem given enough time even if that is what they are doing. They *will* run out of hotter places to put thermometers and then it`s all anomoly and delta.
 
2013-07-31 02:57:14 PM
Watch it there, NASA. When they get done de-funding NPR, with stuff like this they'll be coming for YOU.
 
2013-07-31 02:59:15 PM

dready zim: ThatBillmanGuy: jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.

But I'm doing all this already. So now what?

I`ve been doing this for decades now whilst at the same time being critical of the methods used in the IPCC reports and climate science in general especially the exaggeration and scaremongering. I use the same water yearly as an average person in the third world, my electric usage is mostly covered by a couple of solar panels, hell half the year I cook on wood that is locally sourced. There isn`t much more that it is possible to do and if I put my lifestyle into a carbon calculator is still says I am going to kill the world. I tried one recently and just to test it I selected every single low carbon option, said I didn`t drive a car, didn`t use any devices and ran my electric completely solar and it STILL told me I needed to reduce my footprint.

THIS calculator for example in a major UK newspaper. If you select every low carbon option at the lowest possible level, even veganism then your carbon footprint is still 4.21T. The goal for 2050 is 3T which is simply scaremongering to have a calculator where it is not possible to have a sensible footprint. "Oh no! We can`t do enough! We are doomed!" seems to be what they would have you think.

J. Frank Parnell: You can see where they started putting the thermometers on airport tarmacs and other concrete surfaces.

Would that be around 1998? That doesn`t bother me at all. Eventually either they become really obvious that they are doing that or the temperatures will not rise anymore because they run out of ways to `adjust` the raw data. It`s a non problem given enough time even if that is what they are doing. They *will* run out of hotter places to put thermometers and then it`s all anomoly and delta.


I know bringing this up in any climate change thread is a sin, but damn, your post does seem to make Michael's Crichton's book State of Fear look like it was right about how the media hypes this thing up.
 
2013-07-31 03:35:43 PM

theorellior: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: The problem isn't anthrocentric, at least so far as industrial processes and fossil fuel consumption. It is anthrocentric in that there are a lot more people who need industrial processes and fossil fuels to work and live.  A world population of ~1.5 billion grew to ~7 billion.  That leaves a mark.  Mortality from two world wars and a flu pandemic barely even made a blip.

So how many people are you willing to pasturalize/starve/exterminate to get those 2 - 4 degrees C back?

Solar panels, wind farms and nukes don't starve people, AFAIK.


That's why they are not an adequate response.
 
2013-07-31 03:45:30 PM

dready zim: ThatBillmanGuy: jfivealive: Global warming is absolutely real.  Look at the evidence in that movie.  We all need to act now.  Stop leaving such a huge carbon footprint.  It's so easy to recycle and to turn your lights off.  Stop driving like a crazy person and start being more conscientious.  Do you really want all the polar bears to die?  When the ice melts, where do you think all that water is going to go?  Seriously, start doing something or you will be sorry you didn't.

But I'm doing all this already. So now what?

I`ve been doing this for decades now whilst at the same time being critical of the methods used in the IPCC reports and climate science in general especially the exaggeration and scaremongering. I use the same water yearly as an average person in the third world, my electric usage is mostly covered by a couple of solar panels, hell half the year I cook on wood that is locally sourced. There isn`t much more that it is possible to do and if I put my lifestyle into a carbon calculator is still says I am going to kill the world. I tried one recently and just to test it I selected every single low carbon option, said I didn`t drive a car, didn`t use any devices and ran my electric completely solar and it STILL told me I needed to reduce my footprint.

THIS calculator for example in a major UK newspaper. If you select every low carbon option at the lowest possible level, even veganism then your carbon footprint is still 4.21T. The goal for 2050 is 3T which is simply scaremongering to have a calculator where it is not possible to have a sensible footprint. "Oh no! We can`t do enough! We are doomed!" seems to be what they would have you think.



Alternatively, current options  purely in terms of individual consumer choice may not be sufficient to meet targets down the road. This does not include doing anything novel, collective changes in energy systems, changes in the way goods and services are provided, or any sort of mitigation. Put another way, if we purely limit our actions to consumer choice, today's choices are limited.

In addition, be aware that your perception about what "they would have you think" has little impact on biophysical realities. You may not like what is being said, but this does not mean the numbers are somehow wrong.
 
2013-07-31 04:13:53 PM

dready zim: J. Frank Parnell: You can see where they started putting the thermometers on airport tarmacs and other concrete surfaces.

Would that be around 1998? That doesn`t bother me at all. Eventually either they become really obvious that they are doing that or the temperatures will not rise anymore because they run out of ways to `adjust` the raw data. It`s a non problem given enough time even if that is what they are doing. They *will* run out of hotter places to put thermometers and then it`s all anomoly and delta.



Alternatively, the urban heat island effect doesn't really affect the data in this context - such warming is already accounted for in compiled data sets, like GISTEMP (pay attention to the section "Urban Adjustment".

We can also directly examine whether urbanization has had an effect over time by comparing rural and urban sites:
i40.tinypic.com
From Jones et al. 2008. Note that this was done in China, where we would expect urbanization to be even more pronounced. Not much difference there.

That aside, you could even qualitatively see this from the animation in TFA - warming still takes place over the oceans, and is not concentrated over urban areas.
 
2013-07-31 04:28:31 PM
ROTFLMAO

Less then 1 degree in over 130 years.

Tell us oh eco-fearmongers, what's the normal increase coming out of an ice age.
 
2013-07-31 04:30:34 PM
 
2013-07-31 04:39:58 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: theorellior: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: The problem isn't anthrocentric, at least so far as industrial processes and fossil fuel consumption. It is anthrocentric in that there are a lot more people who need industrial processes and fossil fuels to work and live.  A world population of ~1.5 billion grew to ~7 billion.  That leaves a mark.  Mortality from two world wars and a flu pandemic barely even made a blip.

So how many people are you willing to pasturalize/starve/exterminate to get those 2 - 4 degrees C back?

Solar panels, wind farms and nukes don't starve people, AFAIK.

That's why they are not an adequate response.


That's just about the most amazing circular argument I've ever seen in an AGW thread, and that's saying a lot.
 
2013-07-31 04:42:19 PM

OnlyM3: ROTFLMAO

Less then 1 degree in over 130 years.

Tell us oh eco-fearmongers, what's the normal increase coming out of an ice age.



From the Last Glacial Maximum, about 20,000 years ago, to now, about 4°C +/- 0.8 (Annan & Hargreaves 2013).

So, yes 1 degree in over 130 years is significant.
 
2013-07-31 04:43:39 PM

OnlyM3: In other news 1,122 Record Cold Temps in the U.S. in -just- one week


The difference between weather and climate (for kids).
 
2013-07-31 04:56:22 PM

theorellior: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: theorellior: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: The problem isn't anthrocentric, at least so far as industrial processes and fossil fuel consumption. It is anthrocentric in that there are a lot more people who need industrial processes and fossil fuels to work and live.  A world population of ~1.5 billion grew to ~7 billion.  That leaves a mark.  Mortality from two world wars and a flu pandemic barely even made a blip.

So how many people are you willing to pasturalize/starve/exterminate to get those 2 - 4 degrees C back?

Solar panels, wind farms and nukes don't starve people, AFAIK.

That's why they are not an adequate response.

That's just about the most amazing circular argument I've ever seen in an AGW thread, and that's saying a lot.


Achievement Unlocked!

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2013-07-31 05:35:59 PM

theorellior: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: theorellior: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: The problem isn't anthrocentric, at least so far as industrial processes and fossil fuel consumption. It is anthrocentric in that there are a lot more people who need industrial processes and fossil fuels to work and live.  A world population of ~1.5 billion grew to ~7 billion.  That leaves a mark.  Mortality from two world wars and a flu pandemic barely even made a blip.

So how many people are you willing to pasturalize/starve/exterminate to get those 2 - 4 degrees C back?

Solar panels, wind farms and nukes don't starve people, AFAIK.

That's why they are not an adequate response.

That's just about the most amazing circular argument I've ever seen in an AGW thread, and that's saying a lot.


How dare you not be a mass-murdering psychopath to conform to his image of what environmentalists want.
 
2013-07-31 06:54:20 PM

J. Frank Parnell: You can see where they started putting the thermometers on airport tarmacs and other concrete surfaces.



You see? Once you give denialists an argument like this, it never dies. It keeps coming back around in FWD:FWD:FWD emails and denialist sites until eternity. And proving them wrong simply makes them believe even harder.

/Only 1 degree C? Entirely within normal variation as far as I know, but there is no model which doesn't predict rapid warming at our current rate of CO2 emissions
//What if we create a better cleaner world for nothing?
 
2013-07-31 09:02:12 PM
George Carlin understood this scam with great clarity.
Who cares what the temperature is at the airport?
Nobody lives at the farking airport.
 
2013-07-31 09:19:47 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: George Carlin understood this scam with great clarity.
Who cares what the temperature is at the airport?
Nobody lives at the farking airport.


I'm sorry you think science is a scam, but I must inform you that the entire of western civilization is built upon our understanding of the world through science. Its the reason you can travel the world in 20 plus hours, travel to the moon in three days, that you didn't die of a childhood disease, that you will live longer than your grandfather and the reason you can post stupid comments on a website on a personal computer in your home or from a mobile device.

static.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-31 09:22:15 PM

ikanreed: theorellior: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: theorellior: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: The problem isn't anthrocentric, at least so far as industrial processes and fossil fuel consumption. It is anthrocentric in that there are a lot more people who need industrial processes and fossil fuels to work and live.  A world population of ~1.5 billion grew to ~7 billion.  That leaves a mark.  Mortality from two world wars and a flu pandemic barely even made a blip.

So how many people are you willing to pasturalize/starve/exterminate to get those 2 - 4 degrees C back?

Solar panels, wind farms and nukes don't starve people, AFAIK.

That's why they are not an adequate response.

That's just about the most amazing circular argument I've ever seen in an AGW thread, and that's saying a lot.

How dare you not be a mass-murdering psychopath to conform to his image of what environmentalists want.


No, I'm saying the energy solutions offered are not Draconian enough to even hold steady 1st World economic levels, much less accomodate a developing Asia/Africa/South America with exploding populations.
 
2013-07-31 10:33:22 PM

prjindigo: love science fiction... but with their budget couldn't they have produced a more believable threat?



Its funny that you think they have a big budget, and that they are trying to threaten you. They are just showing the data.
 
2013-07-31 11:19:21 PM

Giltric: What temperature is the earth supposed to be?


This is a meaningless question- a non sequitur.

We can say what the temperature would be without human interference. We can say what the narrow temperature band has been under which human civilization has arisen, and our agricultural, geopolitical, and coastal cities are based on.

And then we can say by how much we will depart from that range. We can compare the rate and magnitude of change we're poised to effect with past instances of rapid greenhouse warming and mass extinction.

It's not about an "ideal" temperature. It's about the consequences of rapidly departing from a relatively small envelope of variability that important systems have adapted to.
 
2013-07-31 11:29:49 PM

J. Frank Parnell: You can see where they started putting the thermometers on airport tarmacs and other concrete surfaces.


dready zim: Would that be around 1998? That doesn`t bother me at all. Eventually either they become really obvious that they are doing that or the temperatures will not rise anymore because they run out of ways to `adjust` the raw data. It`s a non problem given enough time even if that is what they are doing. They *will* run out of hotter places to put thermometers and then it`s all anomoly and delta.


ThatBillmanGuy: I know bringing this up in any climate change thread is a sin, but damn, your post does seem to make Michael's Crichton's book State of Fear look like it was right about how the media hypes this thing up


HotIgneous Intruder: Who cares what the temperature is at the airport?
Nobody lives at the farking airport.


You geniuses do know that a great number of the meteorological station moves to airports consisted of moving from the middle of highly urbanized environments in the middle of cities to airports further out in the country, right?

You do know that when temperature records are constructed, automated statistical routines are run to check for the influence of things like urbanization on station data, by comparing urban stations to rural stations, right[1][2]?

You do know that surface instrumental records created with thermometers at places like airports show the same thing as satellites observing the planet from thousands of feet in the air, right?

Surface instrumental data from NOAA/NCDC in blue (1981-2010 baseline):

i.imgur.com

Compare to UAH satellite data in red:

i.imgur.com

So, fellas, now that you know that this talking point is complete and utter bullshiat, we can all count on you to stop repeating it, right?

Right?

[1] Diamond, H. J. et al. (2012), U.S. Climate Reference Network after One Decade of Operations: Status and Assessment, Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, 130109100058001, doi:10.1175/BAMS-D-12-00170.
[2] Menne, M. J., C. N. Williams, and M. A. Palecki (2010), On the reliability of the U.S. surface temperature record, Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres, 115(D11), n/a-n/a, doi:10.1029/2009JD013094.
 
2013-07-31 11:42:04 PM

OnlyM3: In other news 1,122 Record Cold Temps in the U.S. in -just- one week


Over climatologically signicant timescales, record hot temps in the US are occurring 2:1 more often than record lows[1]:

i.imgur.com

And this is occurring globally as well[2].

Almost, like, you know, the planet is getting warmer or something. Weird, huh?

[1] Meehl, G.A., et al. (2009), Relative increase of record high maximum temperatures compared to record low minimum temperatures in the U.S. Geophysical Research Letters, 36, L23701, doi:10.1029/2009GL040736.
[2] Vose, R.S., et al. (2005), Maximum and minimum temperature trends for the globe: An update through 2004. Geophysical Research Letters, 32, L23822, doi:10.1029/2005GL024379.
 
2013-07-31 11:42:42 PM

Jon Snow: J. Frank Parnell: You can see where they started putting the thermometers on airport tarmacs and other concrete surfaces.

dready zim: Would that be around 1998? That doesn`t bother me at all. Eventually either they become really obvious that they are doing that or the temperatures will not rise anymore because they run out of ways to `adjust` the raw data. It`s a non problem given enough time even if that is what they are doing. They *will* run out of hotter places to put thermometers and then it`s all anomoly and delta.

ThatBillmanGuy: I know bringing this up in any climate change thread is a sin, but damn, your post does seem to make Michael's Crichton's book State of Fear look like it was right about how the media hypes this thing up

HotIgneous Intruder: Who cares what the temperature is at the airport?
Nobody lives at the farking airport.

You geniuses do know that a great number of the meteorological station moves to airports consisted of moving from the middle of highly urbanized environments in the middle of cities to airports further out in the country, right?

You do know that when temperature records are constructed, automated statistical routines are run to check for the influence of things like urbanization on station data, by comparing urban stations to rural stations, right[1][2]?

You do know that surface instrumental records created with thermometers at places like airports show the same thing as satellites observing the planet from thousands of feet in the air, right?

Surface instrumental data from NOAA/NCDC in blue (1981-2010 baseline):



Compare to UAH satellite data in red:



So, fellas, now that you know that this talking point is complete and utter bullshiat, we can all count on you to stop repeating it, right?

Right?

[1] Diamond, H. J. et al. (2012), U.S. Climate Reference Network after One Decade of Operations: Status and Assessment, Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, 130109100058001, doi:10.1175/BAMS-D-12-00170.
[2] Menne, M. J., C. N. Williams, and M. A. Palecki (2010), On the reliability of the U.S. surface temperature record, Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres, 115(D11), n/a-n/a, doi:10.1029/2009JD013094.


Well, I do now. I admit I don't know what much I can do about climate change, therefore I don't often come into Fark threads to get chastised for being a retard because I don't keep up on the science. I believe we are affected climate change. I'm not a denier. But my original comment was about the media overhyping stuff. Am I wrong on that?
 
2013-07-31 11:54:02 PM

OnlyM3: ROTFLMAO

Less then 1 degree in over 130 years.

Tell us oh eco-fearmongers, what's the normal increase coming out of an ice age.


The temperature difference between glacial maxima and minima is on the order of 4-6°C over ~10-15 thousand years. Let's be as generous as possible to your derp, and use the higher temp number- call it 6°C- and smaller time period- call it 10 thousand years.

That gives us 6/10,000 = 0.0006°C/year.

Over the past 100 years, we've warmed about 0.6-0.8°C, depending on the dataset being used. Again, being generous to your derp, let's use the low end and call it 0.6°C.

That gives us 0.6/100 = 0.006°C/year.

If your threshold for caring is warming on the scale of glacial maxima to interglacials, then we're warming faster than that by an order of magnitude.

So, can we assume that you now care?
 
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